CNC Lathe with Masso G3 Touch Turning ISO20 Pull Stud

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Travis Mitchell

Travis Mitchell

Күн бұрын

The first project on my recently retrofitted Intelitek Prolight Turning Center with the Masso G3 Touch controller: Making a pull studs for ISO20 ER20 collet chucks that didn’t fit well into my Super Prolight 1000 Machining Center.
Links to components used:
Masso G3 Touch Controller: www.masso.com.au/product/mass...
Threading tool (I had to mill this down to fit): amzn.to/3Awsg5q
Grooving & Parting tool (I had to mill this down to fit): amzn.to/3Opyee6
ISO20 ER20 Collet Chuck Tool Holders: www.ebay.com/itm/353371884755
My website: www.id3ntitycrisis.com
My design portfolio: www.id3ntitycrisis.com/portfo...

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@Lwimmermastermetalart
@Lwimmermastermetalart 3 ай бұрын
Always keep the distance from the chuck as minimal as possible for rigidity. Always use cutting fluids based on material type. Cute little machine, great for a hobby shop.
@BigBoyRasp
@BigBoyRasp Жыл бұрын
When threading on CNC you need to allow an acceleration distance at the start of the thread, fusion may call it a lead in distance, on your machine I would say 3 to 5mm should be enough. Only finish a diameter once, carbide tips do not cut well at a depth of cut less than the tip radius. You will get a much better finish with a 0.2 rad tip and a 0.25mm depth of cut. If you find you get chatter then use GT style tips on small machines they work well in all materials not just aluminium and they reduce the cutting pressure and stop tip rub/chatter.
@thomasmcgravie6932
@thomasmcgravie6932 Жыл бұрын
Great video! A couple of tips from my 30 years plus of cnc machining - cutting oil/coolant is a must to improve surface finish and extend tool life. And have less material sticking out from the chuck, i know it's scary but for the best accuracy and finishes the parting tool should be max 3 - 5 mm from the front face of the chuck as it parts off, this will stop deflection. 😁
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate the tips! After several cuts, I was starting to feel more comfortable and adjusted it so there was much less stick out. I do like the idea of adding coolant...I could probably hook up a mist coolant system pretty easily for it.
@rexmundi8154
@rexmundi8154 Жыл бұрын
I run a shop that can’t use recycled coolant for contamination reasons so all our stuff is mist / MQL cooled. There are plenty of inserts now that run quite happily without any coolant. Aluminum is the problem child but if you look at the Datron system you can see how that’s managed. For a small home shop, something like a fog buster is fine. Without adequate ventilation, coolant fumes can become intrusive.
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
@@rexmundi8154 That is pretty cool how the mist looks like it's integrated with the spindle! I was going to try this mist coolant: amzn.to/3UVjzZD Hopefully the fumes aren't too bad
@jnsfrahm
@jnsfrahm Жыл бұрын
@@diyfiberlaser that’s the same brand that we use in our shop. It only takes a few ounces per gallon of water. It’s pretty much odorless. They also make a air powered mister that works well and has a magnetic base.
@matthewdomes6363
@matthewdomes6363 Жыл бұрын
On my prolight i set up a mist system for turning and it made a huge difference. I use kool mist #77 and it works great!
@nickp4793
@nickp4793 Жыл бұрын
Nice job on the stud and retrofit!
@toddp9541
@toddp9541 Жыл бұрын
Impressive results on your prolight 3000!
@juansalgado6212
@juansalgado6212 Жыл бұрын
Flipping amazing! I knew these machines were high quality but they seem to be near professional level. As always, spectacular job!👏
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
Thanks! We can make some more if you need them for your machine
@sixtailfox117
@sixtailfox117 Жыл бұрын
I just found your channel, thanks youtube algorithm!, both the lathe and the mill look soo good, Its the first time I have heard about this brand of machines, they look good. I am looking forward on watching more projects, and your shop looks like it has many stories to tell too. You have a new subscriber, keep up the good work. :)
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
I hadn't heard about them until recently also. I think they were mostly sold to schools and now a lot of them are being retired so you can find them on the used market. As far as I've seen, they seem to be about as rigid as you can get for a hobby machine.
@matthewdomes6363
@matthewdomes6363 Жыл бұрын
Great videos! I just finished converting my ProLight 1000 to Masso G2 and could not be happier! Excited to see your Super retrofit! I also have a ProLight turning center running on OG win98 and Great job with the threading! Would love see how you integrated the tool changer.
@fab-ster
@fab-ster Жыл бұрын
just found you channel and watched all your videos. now i feel the need to buy a mini cnc mill and turning center like you have...
@minskmade
@minskmade Жыл бұрын
great video...nice explanation and trouble shooting...
@JanBinnendijk
@JanBinnendijk 8 ай бұрын
I'd machine these from 2 sides, so you can get a smooth top, instead of having to debur them by hand, Just take a piece of scrap with M8 Threads in there. First Machine the threads, and then Cut off.. you can have very little stickout with that, Then, Put the still round stock in a vice, mill the flats on the shank, Bolt them to the scrap piece in the spindle, and machine the other side..
@ilikec
@ilikec Жыл бұрын
Really nice results. Lube and maybe a few more finish passes and you will have nice parts. Material selection will help a lot too. 4140 cuts much cleaner than 1018 etc. 41L40 would be ideal for a smaller machine.
@OhNoHesDrivenRoundIt
@OhNoHesDrivenRoundIt Жыл бұрын
The fact the the cutting tool went beyond the centerline and to the other end of the stock does indeed suggest that the machine was set up in "radius mode". In the masso axis setttings, try to half (or double) the steps per unit settings for the X-axis. This should half the distance the tool travels in the X direction, thus giving you the correct dimension when programming in diameter mode.
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion. When I jog the machine manually or using gcode, it moves the expected distance on the display readout and when double checking it with a ruler, so the steps per unit appear to be correct. When I inspect the gcode output from fusion 360 it is actually telling the machine to travel twice as far as it should, so it must just be an issue or setting with the post processor
@davidrabenius726
@davidrabenius726 Жыл бұрын
Chip control is an issue with your turning. I saw your hand\fingers try and remove the long chips. The first time you try this and the razor sharp chip ( even Aluminum) suddenly grabs and pulls tight you will learn, ask me how I know this. I cut my whole hand across my palm and took a chunk out of my Thumb. Use long nose pliers or a chip hook. I was lucky that I didn't cut deep enough to sever any tendons & yes it was very painful. Lesson learned. If you have chip nesting problems then you can program the cuts to start at the spindle and move towards the tailstock, this way the chip is pushed away from the chuck and nesting doesn't happen. I enjoyed your videos however, just the cringing brought back bad memories, you never forget!!
@rexmundi8154
@rexmundi8154 Жыл бұрын
I’m about to order a Masso G3 touch. Thanks for the video. A word of caution about grabbing those long stringy chips by hand, if they get caught by that chuck while you’re holding them they will instantly and effectively cut your hand. Over 30 years I’ve seen some impressive cuts from chips. One guy I worked with had a chunk out of his fuck you finger he called his cigarette holder.
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate the safety tip!
@glebgro
@glebgro Жыл бұрын
Hi! Nice job! A little tip for better threads: use "fade thread end" in fusion, then after you've done the full thread, make a finishing pass on the same diameter that was before thread but in direction from the chuck, then another thread pass at full depth and another finishing pass. It will remove all the possible burrs) And yeah, start the thread at the distance 1.5*pitch from the threaded face, and make it a bit longer
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
I will try that next time, thanks for the tip!
@minigunlabs
@minigunlabs Жыл бұрын
Nice work! One cutter with a 35-degree plate is sufficient for a clean pass
@DR-br5gb
@DR-br5gb Жыл бұрын
Dude how wild. I need to do the same thing as my emco has a proprietary pull stud. I bought a 5 pack and it was ridiculous
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
Haha...it should be a fun little project!
@neffk
@neffk Жыл бұрын
"I don't know what kind of steel this is..." You and Jeremy should go for an expedition in a creek and find something really rusty to use for making pull studs.
@neffk
@neffk Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the demo, though. I just purchased this controller and will be using it with Fusion.
@CraigHollabaugh
@CraigHollabaugh 5 ай бұрын
I'm setting up a Hardinge-Masso retrofit. On the tool offset page, what's "tool direction" field for? I can't find any mention of it in the manual. Thanks for the video, it gives me hope that my retrofit will work eventually.
@phredka12
@phredka12 3 ай бұрын
Nice 👍. Maybe you know what is the holding force for iso20 ? Thx
@smallcnclathes
@smallcnclathes Ай бұрын
Hi Travis, lots of good suggestions in the comments re chuck stick out and cutting fluid. I use a mist coolant as it is not as messy as flood. What sort of insert were you using for the turning? My lathe has just 1/2hp at the spindle and I have used Sumitomo FC type inserts for years. These have a ground edge and are much sharper than moulded inserts. I have no idea what other brands might call them but I assume others have similar inserts. I have used the inserts for aluminium on steel and they cut quite well, they don't last very long, but as they are so cheap in hardly matters. I have a video of making a pull stud in 4140 if you are interested.
@vijaymecheng
@vijaymecheng Жыл бұрын
Its amazing sir. if our masso support G71 code for turning?
@bransonlariscy4660
@bransonlariscy4660 5 ай бұрын
Is that pull stud the P120T-1, or M8xP1.25? If so I could use about 5 of them. let me know if you would like a little side work lol, would be super cheap to ship. Great videos!
@cncrouterinfo
@cncrouterinfo Жыл бұрын
these look like BT30 45 degree pullstuds. it is used a lot for ISO toolholders. No idea if there is also an ISO20 version but I assume there is.
@BillyBob-si2db
@BillyBob-si2db Жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if you don't have enough holding current and the axis is dropping under its own weight, as the stepper isn't under power. It happened to me. Make sure you have idle current for axis under the influence of things like gravity.
@davidpearson3146
@davidpearson3146 Жыл бұрын
reducing the amount of material sticking out of the chuck will help massively with vibration its surprising what 5mm less stickout will do
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip!
@milansimko3501
@milansimko3501 8 ай бұрын
Is it possible to do internal threading with masso? Thanks!
@AndrewBoraas
@AndrewBoraas Жыл бұрын
if there one thing I wouldn't make myself its a pull stud. good chance of damaging the mechanism in the machine and they youll have problems with all of your toolholders, if its not straight the whole toolholder can be crooked, and they are under a lot of stress. at least for bigger tapers they have to be forged so the grain direction is correct of they fatigue and break prematurely
@maxcox6019
@maxcox6019 Жыл бұрын
It looks like your spindle motor is a brushed dc how did you wire it into the control can you make a video on it?
@adamcastle2691
@adamcastle2691 Жыл бұрын
Odd that the post was wrong. Did you use the Masso post processor with Fusion 360?
@kevinwhitcomb4495
@kevinwhitcomb4495 11 ай бұрын
How does this machine compare to the Emco PC Turn 55?
@aurelianmunteanu7680
@aurelianmunteanu7680 8 ай бұрын
nice video! the tool changer is controlled by the 3rd axis? and it has some position sensor or something? curious how it works as im looking at a larger lathe for conversion and it has similar tool changer with more stations. thanks
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser 8 ай бұрын
Exactly...there is an index switch that it turns until it triggers on startup to find tool #1, consecutive tools are found by turning specified number of steps from the index position. I'm guessing on larger machines there would be 2 switches, one for index and one that is triggered when each tool is in position.
@millstenor
@millstenor Жыл бұрын
This and the previous videos on your Prolight 3000 Turning Center conversion are great! I have a 3000 Turning Center also and plan to convert to the Masso G3 Touch like you did. Does the Masso G3 control the 8-position tool turret out of the box, or did you need to do some custom macro work or other mods to the Masso s/w and/or h/w? Thanks.
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
It has a preset script that works perfectly for it right out of the box, it was surprisingly easy.
@maxcox6019
@maxcox6019 Жыл бұрын
I use diam. On my lathes when you set your tool make a cut measure it and put that size in x and it should cut fine for you
@dcalf1
@dcalf1 Жыл бұрын
i bought a southbend magnaturn 612, its a complete machine but its not working, it has baldor ac brushless servo motors in it, very nice machine, wondering if this masso conversion will work for mine??
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
I don't see why not...you should email them and ask, their support is usually very helpful
@CncObsession
@CncObsession Жыл бұрын
How are you controlling the toolchanger? It appears to be stepper driven but that is a 2 axis Masso? I must be missing something.
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
3 axis controller
@samodelkin3539
@samodelkin3539 6 ай бұрын
Try to keep your stock as close as possible to the chuk. Less chettering .
@dezmach93
@dezmach93 6 ай бұрын
Did you already figure out the diameter/radius issue?it’s an easy fix on Masso+dial indicator. Your calibration on the X axis is incorrect. I made the same mistake on my first cnc lathe build.
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser 6 ай бұрын
Yes, it was an easy fix. I talked to Masso about it...it was just user error and my misunderstanding of how it was supposed to work.
@CraigHollabaugh
@CraigHollabaugh 6 ай бұрын
Was the radius / diameter issue resolved in firmware updates?
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser 6 ай бұрын
I later found out from Masso that there was no firmware issue...it just turned out to be user error
@CraigHollabaugh
@CraigHollabaugh 6 ай бұрын
@@diyfiberlaser it happens, thanks for the fast reply.
@keno926
@keno926 Жыл бұрын
When the threads are cut: how is it ensured that the cutting tool every time starts at the right spot?
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
There are two encoders on the spindle, one reads the rpm, and the other indexes once per revolution, each threading pass it starts the cut at the index trigger…that’s my understanding
@keno926
@keno926 Жыл бұрын
@@diyfiberlaser Sounds logic! Thanks!
@cuneytbasak
@cuneytbasak 11 ай бұрын
hello How did you make cam or mosso include cam fonction. can you add it?
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser 11 ай бұрын
Fusion 360 post processor.
@cuneytbasak
@cuneytbasak 11 ай бұрын
@@diyfiberlaser many thanks Mosso has real time show position?
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser 11 ай бұрын
@@cuneytbasak yes
@kingkasma4660
@kingkasma4660 Жыл бұрын
u should start your thread a bit further out and maybe use cutting oil for steel.
@jacquesperry1156
@jacquesperry1156 Жыл бұрын
i suspect your lead screw is not the pitch you expected when you set it up in masso if your pitch is twice that expected it explains the radius measure being used instead of the diameter
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip! That was my first thought as well, but it seems to be traveling the correct distance, both on the digital readout and when I double check it with a caliper...the gcode from Fusion 360 is actually telling it to move the diameter distance, which is what is confusing me...I think I need to do some more testing with onboard Masso wizards to see if they behave the same as the gcode I am getting from Fusion360
@benzhuk876
@benzhuk876 Жыл бұрын
Could you share the masso controller between your lathe and a mill/router? Instead of buying one for each machine
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
That's a really interesting question! ...as of now, it seems you have to choose which between the two, as you can only install either the milling OR lathe software
@benzhuk876
@benzhuk876 Жыл бұрын
I do that for my mach3 c10 board and share it between router and mill. But you need two profiles in Mach3. If you could do profiles like that I would probably consider switching myself since the G3 looks so awesome
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
@@benzhuk876 It says here that you can switch between the software for both machines, but it takes about 90 seconds, but I'm not sure how that would work having it hard wired up to both sets of motor drivers, etc... docs.masso.com.au/MASSO_FAQ/about_masso
@jlbminestine698
@jlbminestine698 Жыл бұрын
9:10 11:58
@lexska3491
@lexska3491 Жыл бұрын
Hello, please don't use your bare hands to remove metal shavings, it's really dangerous! Alternatively, you can make a hook from soft wire.
@diyfiberlaser
@diyfiberlaser Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip!
@matthewparkin7237
@matthewparkin7237 Жыл бұрын
Your feeds are too slow, or the spindle speed is too slow, resulting in poor chip quality and just strings of metal coming out
@morrymaasch7009
@morrymaasch7009 Жыл бұрын
I love it when you release a new video!!! Get to the top fast > Promo_SM!
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