ESP8266s without the big SDK "nosdk8266"

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CNLohr

CNLohr

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HackADay Article: hackaday.com/2016/11/30/the-es...
If you're thinking "no wifi? no problem!" then this hack is for you! nosdk8266 allows you to use your ESP8266 with very, very little overhead. This enables rapid development cycles, crazy high speeds and more I/D RAM than you've ever imagined. You'll still need the esp open sdk, but not a ton more!
Github: github.com/cnlohr/nosdk8266
HaD Article: Still in discussion...

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@tschengtscheng805
@tschengtscheng805 7 жыл бұрын
Gotta love Charles' enthusiasm at 6:06 when he breaks the news about running the esp at 346 MHz!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
I remember when I had whole videos with that. Sadly getting older kinda messes that up.
@thenewtechguy8526
@thenewtechguy8526 5 жыл бұрын
Yup awesome. I could FEEL his emotions when he said that :D
@AppliedScience
@AppliedScience 7 жыл бұрын
Super impressive, as always, man! Wow!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I just saw the HaD Prize awards video yesterday. I hope we get to meet some day!
@allcopseatpasta6976
@allcopseatpasta6976 7 жыл бұрын
He talked about servo control. You might be able to use this to control the focus on your slo-mo camera...
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
sounds like I should watch his newest video today.
@Zyphen4866
@Zyphen4866 7 жыл бұрын
I never expected you to be here
7 жыл бұрын
I'm always amazed when you find out something new about the ESP. And I'm also really envy of your enthusiams. :) Good job!
@sirseriously
@sirseriously 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, love to see more from you on the 8266. I used my first one about six months ago to build a wifi fish tank light, and since have been using them exclusively for my tiny arduino projects.
@lft7917
@lft7917 7 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Faster turnaround means faster, more frequent feedback which gives you more incentive to continue working on and experimenting on a project.
@stephanieslade7345
@stephanieslade7345 7 жыл бұрын
You are the ESP8266 Wizard
@con-f-use
@con-f-use 7 жыл бұрын
Nobody will ever need another micro controller, when you (and all the others) are done with the ESP.
@alexsandermagalhaes9266
@alexsandermagalhaes9266 7 жыл бұрын
I love the way you get so excited about it xD Great work dude hahah
@emuboy85
@emuboy85 7 жыл бұрын
I like it because you are usually calm in your videos, this time you couldn't help yourself XD
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
I feel like I used to be so much more excited. I wonder if that'll come back :) I'm hoping it will!
@emuboy85
@emuboy85 7 жыл бұрын
It always come back ;)
@dardosordi
@dardosordi 7 жыл бұрын
Charles, thank you this is great! Keep up the good work, God bless you.
@SeanHodgins
@SeanHodgins 7 жыл бұрын
That is incredible. As always amazing work.
@surajbhawal2474
@surajbhawal2474 7 жыл бұрын
the next thing we know, this guy connects a gtx 1080 to esp8266 and play battlefield 1 at 4k60fps.
@jamesgrimwood1285
@jamesgrimwood1285 7 жыл бұрын
Nah, he'll just make the ESP play Crisis by itself.
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 7 жыл бұрын
I think he will make a 1000 player minecraft server running on a liquid nitrogen cooled ESP and his own bit banged Ethernet stack.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'm trying to figure out if one could get a PCIx1 bus to operate at 3.2MHz refclock, 80 GT/s. I don't know if I can or can't. If only someone could tell me?
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 7 жыл бұрын
PCI-X was dead on arrival, it only had a few years on high end workstations and servers, it requires 64 bit (backward compatible with 32 bit) parallel connections. Are you thinking of single lane PCIe? Because that is a very different beast and would be mostly serial (full duplex so not really serial) also PCIe ditched the bus topology. A single lane pcie operates at 2.5GT/s each transfer being a ten bit byte (two of the ten are overhead) which equates to 250MB/s of payload. It needs two of these one for rx and one for tx. I don't know if you would be able to hack it to accept half duplex or not.
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 7 жыл бұрын
composter.com.ua/documents/PCI_Express_Base_Specification_Revision_3.0.pdf doc.xdevs.com/doc/Standards/PCI/PCI_Express_Base_4.0_Rev0.3_February19-2014.pdf You may also want to look into fpga based implementations of pcie for inspiration.
@BinaryCounter
@BinaryCounter 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, that's really impressive! Good job on this, i'm sure this will come in handy in a lot of cases!
@BinaryCounter
@BinaryCounter 7 жыл бұрын
Wait a sec. "They somehow made it talk WiFi". Did you mean they are essentially bit banging the wifi protocol in software? So in theory other 2.4Ghz protocols such as bluetooth are not out of the question? Also what does this overclock mean for your other projects? Full speed espusb? higher resolution channel3? Oh man, now i'm excited.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
no no there is specifically wifi hardware. "somehow made it talk wifi" = that it was $2 and wifi. I don't know what's next.
@TheRealKitWalker
@TheRealKitWalker 3 жыл бұрын
Like it? Love it! 👏
@steve_jabz
@steve_jabz 7 жыл бұрын
This is going to upgrade so many projects all around the world. This just makes me think.. the way we work with each other's information between silicon fabricators, chip designers, board designers, firmware developers and software developers is so inefficient. We would have known about this right off the bat if we just collaborated more for the sake of progress. Why don't people realize that sharing more information is better for everyone?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
But it's realllyyy harrrrdddd to do that. Heck, from what I understand much of the details about the internals of the part aren't even in english!
@anthonymolina3360
@anthonymolina3360 6 жыл бұрын
Great enthusiasm ! good work!
@DavidFowlerEngineer
@DavidFowlerEngineer 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you for the great information. Wonder what you will do with the ESP32!
@protonjinx
@protonjinx 7 жыл бұрын
Long time ago I wrote a printf in x86 assembly that did %s and %i in only 116 bytes...
@CristalianaIvor
@CristalianaIvor 3 жыл бұрын
next video: "How I burned down my house by overclocking an esp8266"
@procactus9109
@procactus9109 7 жыл бұрын
I think I might have salivated when I saw that compile+upload speed. edit: I just clicked your name. This video and 'Self Bio' auto play video thing sold me in 20 seconds(I actually closed that window from then). I subbed in for more. -Thanks dude.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
"self bio"? what do you mean? Channel Trailer?
@procactus9109
@procactus9109 7 жыл бұрын
yeah, bio might have been a bit weird. But thats what I meant. Once I heard enough I closed it. I don't want to spoil any future surprises.
@tcpbox
@tcpbox 6 жыл бұрын
Guy you are insane, nor in my crazy dream I would imagene a code run in more than 80Mhz, but you did it run in 346Mhz. INSANE.... Good job ..., thank you for the share...
@thenewtechguy8526
@thenewtechguy8526 5 жыл бұрын
Could you make a tutorial on how to flash the esp8266 very fast. With the sdk and stuff
@ecosta
@ecosta 6 жыл бұрын
After I learnt how to program those, I kinda ditched Arduino. But my question is: does it overheat when overclocked? Specially if running something that actually requires those 380+MHz...
@xennelul
@xennelul 7 жыл бұрын
The future is here: if you look at the ARM based alternatives they are all running out of steam. Thanks for your videos man, they are great inspiration and show how to approach things from an analytical point of view: the rest is as you said, imagination!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
Indeed they are. STM keeps trying to push the envelope but their parts are getting pricey. Also, don't forget the ESP8285 has 1MB of flash!!!
@delgoogle
@delgoogle 7 жыл бұрын
Anything arduino close to 80MHz comes teensy at $20, that''s 10x pricey, STMs are pricey. ESP is boon we can't thank enough. Thanks for nosdk.
@nicopace
@nicopace 7 жыл бұрын
you rock! congrats!!!
@HeyPatch
@HeyPatch 4 жыл бұрын
I understand about 2% of what you say in your videos but not because you explains are poor but because I have a lot to learn. I’ll get it someday, then I’ll understand.
@sirrealistically
@sirrealistically 3 жыл бұрын
Love you bro
@harryobrien9035
@harryobrien9035 6 жыл бұрын
It’s been a year since this was released - have you developed anything similar for the ESP32 and/or continued development for the 8266? Love the work! -H
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 6 жыл бұрын
Nope on the '32... But I have played with it a lot. Also I have made several 8266 projects.
@GonzaloCobos
@GonzaloCobos 7 жыл бұрын
You did it again, man, this is awesome!! would this overclocking help with the lack of time precision to implement the positioning system based on the RSSI?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry, no wifi when overclocking :( Can't do it.
@AlanMedina314
@AlanMedina314 7 жыл бұрын
It's extremely underrated and should be the next arduino killer.
@_lolucoca_9735
@_lolucoca_9735 5 жыл бұрын
Bloody heck that is impressive! It's a $2 Microcontroller and it's running at 346MHz; blows my mind.
@cad3175
@cad3175 7 жыл бұрын
..well done, thanks
@cbm80amiga
@cbm80amiga 7 жыл бұрын
Cool! Would it be possible to use such high clock speed in Arduino IDE? I'm playing with this MCU, LCD displays and graphics (for example raytracing as shown on my YT channel) It should significantly speed up everything.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
One could copy my clock code into the arduino environment. It would likely run! But, it would break wifi... and unless you execute additional commands, would also break the UART.
@NikulPadhya
@NikulPadhya 6 жыл бұрын
Well of-course the video is awesome but I loved your enthusiasm @ 6:03
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 6 жыл бұрын
I remember the feeling when I first fired it up at that rate! It was awesome.
@raulaguaviva6826
@raulaguaviva6826 7 жыл бұрын
You rock!
@Tuetuopay
@Tuetuopay 7 жыл бұрын
REALLY cool ! Any idea of the max CPU frequency where Wifi is still usable ?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
As far as I can tell, strictly 80 MHz main bus. I am only aware of the 160 MHz clock doubler. Maybe there is another way but I don't know it :(
@ufohunter3688
@ufohunter3688 7 жыл бұрын
Can the wifi part be completely disabled via software, or a simple castration of a PCB trace, as to not draw any power? Only the processor/flash bit is important to me. Have WiFi coming out of my ying-yang. I google first, and ask questions later. I can't find that answer.
@leandroebner1405
@leandroebner1405 5 жыл бұрын
No
@ufohunter3688
@ufohunter3688 7 жыл бұрын
Any update to report?
@shadman1911
@shadman1911 7 жыл бұрын
346 Mhz... that is faster then any Pentium I and faster then most Pentium II processors... for 2$... insane
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 7 жыл бұрын
You cant just compare clock speeds like that. You have to consider things like instruction sets and cycles per instruction, pipeline sizes speeds and efficiency and so on.
@cbm80amiga
@cbm80amiga 7 жыл бұрын
.. and then ESP8266 was faster even at 160MHz
@AbiChess.tricks
@AbiChess.tricks 7 жыл бұрын
Hey dude I need to put Esp8266 in Access point mode and need to create a udp socket to sent data to another esp but it's not working can you help me out of it.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
You can certainly try to ask the esp8266.com forums. I don't usually do code troubleshooting.
@EventHandler
@EventHandler 7 жыл бұрын
I tried to simulate I²C on the ESP8266 via software but i encountered the problem that the esp8266 resets itself every ~100ms if i turn GPIOs on and off very fast. Did you noticed something similar?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
absolutely not! ESPUSB relies 100% on switching GPIOs on and off quickly! Also, I have a file "static_i2c.h" which simulates I2C on the ESP8266, and works like a charm. The rebooting normally happens when you "block" too long, i.e. any routine takes too long to complete.
@cbm80amiga
@cbm80amiga 7 жыл бұрын
You must use yield() in your main loop to avoid watchdog protection.
@EventHandler
@EventHandler 7 жыл бұрын
CNLohr Are you familiar with the error "section '.text' will not fit in region 'iram1_0_seg'"? Do you have any idea what i can do to fix this error? I use esp-open-sdk.
@Brutaltronics
@Brutaltronics 7 жыл бұрын
What Espressif doesn't want you to know!! $2 MCU running at crazy high frequencies without crashing i hope? i'm sold.
@akasickform
@akasickform 6 жыл бұрын
Please do this with an ESP32!
@mediumslow
@mediumslow 6 жыл бұрын
Wow. That is impressive. I remember the last time I program my ESP out of the box it runs for short time and died lol idk why I gave up
@butunercouk
@butunercouk 7 жыл бұрын
gr8 news!
@markdlehane
@markdlehane Жыл бұрын
Incredible work sir! Absolutely beautiful video. Love the enthusiasm and excitement. 346MHz! Sweet.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mikelemon5109
@mikelemon5109 7 жыл бұрын
But it doesn't look as easy to program with integrations of the wifi functionality.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
How do you figure? "make" is a pretty easy way of doing it.
@electonical5349
@electonical5349 2 жыл бұрын
Can i overclock my esp8266 at 346mhz from Arduino IDE?i'm using windows 10
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 2 жыл бұрын
Not that I am aware of. I don't think you can do that sorta fun stuff through arduino.
@TT-it9gg
@TT-it9gg Жыл бұрын
It's easy to overclock Teensy4, K210, and Pi Pico. Will there be a way to overclock ESP32 S3? Thanks!
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Жыл бұрын
I don't have it on the S3 but I did try it on the S2. I have some code at esp32s2-cookbook
@TT-it9gg
@TT-it9gg Жыл бұрын
@@CNLohr Got it. Great work! Thank you.
@IngoDingo
@IngoDingo 7 жыл бұрын
so... you are worrying about warranty with a 2$ chip? otherwise you did some really good work
@macemoneta
@macemoneta 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there is no warranty. I've burned through a few of these, and they just get tossed. No one is going to ship them back to China.
@tommihommi1
@tommihommi1 7 жыл бұрын
I think he's joking
@lhxperimental
@lhxperimental 7 жыл бұрын
He is talking of voiding the warranty in the sense that you can't blame the manufacturer if your device does not work as expected. It's not about getting a refund or replacement.
@IngoDingo
@IngoDingo 7 жыл бұрын
helloworld Ah i understand
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh
@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 7 жыл бұрын
What happens to the wifi ability when you over clock it like this?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
Doesn't go. At all.
@syedhashmi36
@syedhashmi36 5 жыл бұрын
can u help in how to use a pin as input is there any funtion like the PIN_OUT_SET or PIN_IN
@mradaChris
@mradaChris 7 жыл бұрын
I like your enthusiasm, can't say that I share it with you. I have given up pretty much on my NODEMCU/ESP 8266 module. The constant crashing was driving me nuts and that LUA language was not a bit helpful. So I see you are using C code. So I presume you do compile the code. Would your SDK work for my board?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
It is sad how so much the other SDKs bloat things :-/ But yes, you could totally use it.
@mradaChris
@mradaChris 7 жыл бұрын
cool.
@mradaChris
@mradaChris 7 жыл бұрын
I looked at your code a month ago and I realized that it is USB only. I need to be able to use WIFI because I have to have 2 units talk to each other.
@eriklaken1025
@eriklaken1025 6 жыл бұрын
Wauw!
@GianCarloSalvati
@GianCarloSalvati 7 жыл бұрын
Charles, can I use it to make a FM transmitter based on CH3 project?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
With the slower one, I tried one, and it just didn't sound good... Now with this faster one, it would probably work . I just don't have time atm.
@GianCarloSalvati
@GianCarloSalvati 7 жыл бұрын
CNLohr thanks. I am trying to make a Wifi to FM RDS TCM gateway.. consume Traffic API and broadcast to car GPS.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
That is a lot of acronyms I am unfamiliar with.
@ThePC007
@ThePC007 5 жыл бұрын
Does this also make it boot faster than it does with the "big SDK"? As in, could this be used for increased battery life on a battery powered ESP?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it does boot much faster... BUT it does NOT support wifi.
@jojuweekendprojects
@jojuweekendprojects 7 жыл бұрын
ESP Goes VROOM! Edit: Looking into getting an ESP. What board do you use?
@karolbaraniecki6798
@karolbaraniecki6798 7 жыл бұрын
Jojutastic The one in the video is a NodeMCU board, the second version.
@o0O0oLOLo0O0o
@o0O0oLOLo0O0o 7 жыл бұрын
esp32-WROOM
@thyreen1
@thyreen1 7 жыл бұрын
Would it be useful as the base for a cheap but high performance function generator?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
That I2S bus, man. But really, you probably could if you got a good frontend DAC.
@thyreen1
@thyreen1 7 жыл бұрын
CNLohr What exactly do you mean by That I2S bus man. That's a protocol for data transmission in audio hardware isn't it? Do you mean the I2S bus opperates at these high frequencies and not the processor itself?
@gozharry7404
@gozharry7404 7 жыл бұрын
CNLohr Good DCPMs. I think you are converging towards a Forth bootloader. It does everything you describe and it does so quickly with very compact code. cheers Goz.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
I just don't do fourth :-/
@gozharry7404
@gozharry7404 7 жыл бұрын
You're not the only one. It's a marmite language! Even so, novice users should anticipate 10x DCMPs using Forth. Cheers, Goz.
@metl_play
@metl_play Жыл бұрын
Overclocking to 320MHz makes the Peripheral Bus Clock running at 80MHz, just as with the clock with 80Mhz and 160MHz. Would that make Wi-Fi usable again? And is it possible to Overclock with nonos SDK because I have no experience with nosdk8266 or not using an SDK, or would nosdk8266 be a little like "just" programming in C?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Жыл бұрын
I am not sure. It might be possible to do that. You can copy-paste the clock code into the nonos-sdk and it should work.
@jeffbeck6501
@jeffbeck6501 6 жыл бұрын
To trick it out like this, it likely won't last long, or be reliable, but even so, you get all that speed, which is what some people need, but it would have to be for an application that is looking for speed and not reliability or durability. But even if it lasts and is reliable enough, you still need an application that needs a ton of speed, and few pins. It is such a weird idea in the first place, in true classic CNLohr style, that is hard to get up to speed on how it could be applied. Some type of real time app like some type of a real time controller, like maybe a game controller. I have no idea.
@Inspironator
@Inspironator 6 жыл бұрын
I'd give you 5 thumbs up for thinking out of the box to do something amazing! You'll have to settle for 1, so KZfaq doesn't sic their algorithms on you!
@Jack_Wolfe
@Jack_Wolfe 7 жыл бұрын
Where the hell do we get ESP8266's ?The ones i search on ebay look nothing like the one you have.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
So, this was done with a NodeMCU module. I normally use ESP-12-F modules. I recommend using Electrodragon for the ESP12-F's and Amazon for the NodeMCUs
@igrewold
@igrewold 7 жыл бұрын
Guys we need to make some kind of ESPx workshop/IDE app, something like the Arduino IDE, which makes it easy to develop things on different ESP chips, what do you think?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
But that's haaard. Makefiles are easy and fast!
@igrewold
@igrewold 7 жыл бұрын
Cool, how about getting in Orange Pi? The Zero is a little beast: www.banggood.com/search/orange-pi.html Etcher etcher.io/ & Armbian www.armbian.com/ will make it faster to deal with. Etcher is bloated but it verifies the written image so that is a plus. Regards
@MrKmail
@MrKmail 4 жыл бұрын
Wonder how hot it gets at 346mhz...
@irukard
@irukard 7 жыл бұрын
Wow :D
@braddofner
@braddofner 4 ай бұрын
Where has this gone?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 4 ай бұрын
I still use it. It's where it's always been. Just look up nosdk8266
@daslolo
@daslolo 6 жыл бұрын
Why "bound by wifi"? and why unbounding it allows higher clock?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 6 жыл бұрын
If you operate at anything other than 80 MHz for the AHB, the chip can't PLL :(
@daslolo
@daslolo 6 жыл бұрын
Ok, can you explain how that's related to the wifi portion of the chip?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 6 жыл бұрын
The incoming crystal goes into a PLL subsystem that you can change speeds of. This internal clock is used for driving all of the chip's parts, from CPU, ADC, I2S, even wifi. You can change its frequency. If you make the frequency any different than exactly what the wifi is looking for, it doesn't work at all, presumably since it is tuned to a significantly different frequency.
@daslolo
@daslolo 6 жыл бұрын
Oh that's interesting, so the wifi may function at 7 Ghz, and possibly 2 units with boosted clocks could talk to each other.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe.. But probably not too well, considering filters and all. Give it a shot.
@haizalomar1632
@haizalomar1632 7 жыл бұрын
How are you this amazing you are my mancrush.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
As I've said before, I'm just a midget on the giant of shoulders.
@haizalomar1632
@haizalomar1632 7 жыл бұрын
I shall strive to be this midget.
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
The view is certainly wonderful.
@omitsura
@omitsura 7 жыл бұрын
Mad overclocking! You're not putting it into liquid nitrogen though, so that's a minus. :d
@sametcansonmez8695
@sametcansonmez8695 7 жыл бұрын
Hey, esp32 is coming with 240mhz clock
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
I already got a couple, but I'm waiting on docs, etc.
@jesuishalil
@jesuishalil 7 жыл бұрын
Just a heads up, if you need more esp32, you can get the dev boards(geekcreit brand) for 8,45 with shipping from banggood now.
@misaalanshori
@misaalanshori 3 жыл бұрын
What about the esp32? nosdk32?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 3 жыл бұрын
Not happening
@misaalanshori
@misaalanshori 3 жыл бұрын
@@CNLohr Hmm, okay then. But why? I guess its already fast enough?
@stomachcontentz
@stomachcontentz 7 жыл бұрын
surely if it's a 1k challenge you'd write it in assembler? 131 bytes starting point? for shame. :D
@steve_jabz
@steve_jabz 7 жыл бұрын
That is fucking awesome! Can you make it work with arduino? What's the power consumption like without the dtim sleep modes?
@CNLohr
@CNLohr 7 жыл бұрын
I have never messed with the arduino for it, but shouldn't be too hard! There's only a little bit of code dealing with changing the clock speed in the repo.
@cbdevidaljk1
@cbdevidaljk1 7 жыл бұрын
But can it run Crysis?
@cbdevidaljk1
@cbdevidaljk1 7 жыл бұрын
Charles is busy building an ESP Beowulf cluster for $8
@yashpandit832
@yashpandit832 5 жыл бұрын
How did you learn these things in such a detail. Give me some tips to learn esp8266 in depth. Plz...
@jakubmichalenko7990
@jakubmichalenko7990 4 жыл бұрын
What the fuck man you made even minecraft server with it (ik that not normal with java) but still fucking 1kb of ram but i had problem to connect arduino with it to Wi-Fi
@Zyphen4866
@Zyphen4866 7 жыл бұрын
lol, i bought one a few months ago, i had flashed a deauth-ing program, then i started getting orders from people at my school, i now have sold 30 and have 52 in stock ready to be sold. i sell then for $8 a piece and i buy them for $3 a piece
@crackwitz
@crackwitz Жыл бұрын
LMAO "warranty"
@CNLohr
@CNLohr Жыл бұрын
They actually have one. Their parts are really reliable when "used correctly"
@crackwitz
@crackwitz Жыл бұрын
I mean... They're so cheap, even spending a thought on RMAing anything would cost more
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