I just want to say how much I appreciate hyce being a part of these videos. He's very informative and very intelligent, and listening to his knowledge surrounding locomotives is really captivating, and overall improves the video experience

As someone who has never been really into trains, it is really cool to hear someone go into such great detail of a train, especially with this being a video game

Me: dozing off while Hyce and Kan talk about wheel flat spots. Hyce: blows whistle Me: Rolls off couch and smashes face into floor in surprise These videos are always entertaining in one way or another. lmao

Totally felt it when Hyce said it was a kit from Walthers.

Finally, a use for all that Christmas coal.

I love you guys. Thanks so much for the RO content, between the game and the conversation I could watch this live. Plus I'd get to see the derails you guys are hiding ;-)

Okay Okay... @35:00 Forgive me for getting technical here, but "The Big Machine" that they put the wheel on (after installing new tires or after the tires have suffered significant wear) is called a "Wheel Balancer". Though the wheel does tend to have a little imbalance, which is mostly due to the location of the valve stem hole. The main need for balancing is due to the imperfections of the tires due to where the tread is joined. Since the train doesn't use Rubber and you can machine wheels that don't really wear. The need for balancing doesn't really exist.

I feel if the long term goal is having maintenance simulated, I think there are a few features to add first. Day Cycle is first, I think weather is a must from there, then Wildlife as "obstacles." Once you implement maintenance you could make the weather, wildlife, and natural progression of time cause damage to the trains.

3:26 "You grab the shaft and you're yanking on it" -Hyce 2023

Kan, the encoder you described is only an optical encoder (some also use greys code). There are magnetic ones using two sensors(located 90deg apart from each other) that will determine position. Plus those that you described and the one I mentioned are absolute encoders. If you don't need absolute position then you can use optical encoders as incremental ones so using either ir or light, you would just count the number of ticks in the wheel as the light passes to determine speed.

38:50 If you want to see what the pinnacle of steam powered cars achieved, check out Jay Leno's 1925 Doble E-20 video. It's surprisingly user friendly, just not as much as an ICE car. But the big thing about that model in particular is that it was basically as close to a turn-key startup as you could get, and you could just go with very little warm-up time (under a minute if you're in a rush, if the wikipedia article is to be believed). In a way it was easier to operate than a typical gas car of the time, because it was direct drive there was no clutch or shifting to worry about. And it's SUPER quiet. Take a listen when they go out on the road, all you hear is the tire noise and the wind. Crazy!

An hour passed like a moment listening to you guys in the background, so much interesting stuff!

if anyone has seen the weird elephant trunk stack for the Tenmile, it is a "Ridgway Smoke Arrestor" Hyce has a video about it and what it does btw, Tenmile absolutely hates going down hills - derails so easy 😟

That fully autonomous/remote train in Western Australia has some really interesting tech for detection of hazards on the line over the horizon because of the stopping distances

Great grandfather worked on the Great Northern when they were punching the line out to Seattle. Great to hear the banter on how the old locos worked. Can imagine what he had to work with.

51:00 I've only interacted with an encoder for small hobby robotics. It's been a while, but iirc, it was a discrete board that we attached to the motor somehow with the axel passing through it, and used copper tabs to directly pass an electric signal through, and we needed to keep track of the number of times it triggered in software on our Arduino to determine the current position.

ET&WNC WOOOOO!!!! YEE YEE BORTHER

I own a 7.5 gauge steam engine and they are very fun but a absolute hassle. Unlike the full sized steam engines the little one’s require you to do everything like fire and drive. Although one thing the small engines do that makes them a hassle is some parts one day might just refuse to work. Why? You might ask well because they don’t want to work that day. Great video! Keep educating people on the wonders of the railroad.

the vegetation is awesome! I love those little details!

Stanley steamer did use gas to fuel the boiler, there was actually a pilot light that heated the fuel line to vaporize the fuel. Whites boiler and condenser combination was a superior design though.

You should do all the other cool powertrains too and test them and see how good they are too

As far as the tachometer riding on the driver wheel, it wouldn't matter what radius the driver was the tach would show accurate track speed, so long as the measuring wheel didn't change in diameter. Basically it's just simulating a section of track of a certain length and your speed is how many times per second the driver moves that far. It would not account for wheel slip however.

About steam powered vehicles, don’t forget the big British steam lorries

Watching you guys after a long work day, amazing as always.

YESS FINALLY!! I am so happy that one of the Tweetsie trains are in the game now oh and a little history lesson the ET&WNC railroad went from all the way here in Johnson City Tennessee to Boon North Carolina hence the name East Tennessee & Western North Carolina and operated its lines from 1882 to 1952 as a 3 ft narrow gauge railway and operated three 2-6-0, four 2-8-0, and seven 4-6-0 locomotives all which were Baldwin Locomotive Works Locomotives. And one Alco-brooks 0-8-0 locomotive. All of these were their narrow gauge trains.

Ok, No.13 for the C.R.A.P is one of the New coal locomotives. Ok, maybe the next number after 21 on the Fibonacci Sequence should be the Shay.

You should look up an KZfaq there's footage from 1937 of tweetsie running from Johnson City to Boone for a football game. Beautiful scenery and cool footage. As well as some footage from 1945 at the end of world war 2 also on KZfaq. Especially since in the 1945 footage the engine in the video is engine #13.

I like to add something to the encoder thing. While the position is encoded in binary, the encoding is not the typical increment of 00, 01, 10, 11. The encoding uses Gray Code, a form of incrementing that only has one digit of the number change. For example, if the position of a rotor is divided into four quadrants 0, 1, 2, 3, their respective binary numbers will be 00, 01, 11, 10. It is done like this to remove the possibility of an incorrect position being read from small misalignments of the encoder holes or the sensors. I just wanted to add this, as I just recently learned about this concept in one of my college courses.

I understand at most 30% of the conversation about the bits and pieces of the trains, but I still find this engaging. Keep it up

I believe you will need to use the new belly dump hoppers to fill up the coaling tower.

Sentinel and Foden manufactured steam lorries (trucks) into the early 1930s in the UK, most of them were coal fired. Initially, AFAIK, they compared very favourably to the contemporary diesel and petrol lorries due to the extra torque you could get from steam engines, and were popular in the heavy haulage industry until the law was changed to reduce particulate emissions on the roads.

Hmm that whistle on that new train sounds great!😄

Beginning of video you mentioned ride on trains, you have a few sizes to choose from and a few companies build the as well as kits and individuals do the same. I’m currently working on plans to build a 7.5” gauge alco pa as well as a 7.5” gauge k-4 pacific (based off the one displayed in my home town)

Wild wheel detector 😂 Surprised Hyce doesn't know this, but WILD is an acronym, it stands for Wheel Impact Load Detector 😁 Colloquially referred to as a "gotcha!" in the UK, because railway 🤣

The newer motors that are being used by the FRC competition use magnetic ones. The Falcon 500 motor uses this.

Not sure if this was mentioned. But the 3 way switch DOSE NOT automatically change if you approach from a misaligned track. Lot of derailments on the new map for me .

1. Hyse sounds like matpat from game theory sometimes 2. Ask hyse if he knows of any 4x8x4 s

Hyce probably knows this but I'm from WNC and there is actually an "amusement part" called Tweetsie and they have a small railroad with open passenger cars and have interactive trackside shows.

The pulley running on the top of the tire would NOT need calibration for tire thickness, because the surface of the tire driving the pulley would be the same speed as the train over the rail (minus wheel slip). The calibration for the speedometer would depend on the pulley size only and not involve the locomotive wheel diameter. A modern equipment option for a speedometer where wheel diameter, wheel slip, etc would cause issues for speed measurement is a microwave doppler speedometer which just gives you ground speed.... Caterpillar used this on their agricultural track tractors and it allows the display to give you wheel slip and other information when calibrated. I was looking up under one of these doing maintenance and saw a warning sticker for microwave emitting devices on the inside of the frame next to the device.

that whistle sounds nice

You're a Canuckistani, so you get a pass. NC in length is roughly the distance from Windsor to somewhere between Ottawa and Montreal. I moved 650ish KM and can still drive another hour west without leaving. One end is a mountainous rainforest, the other is pine barrens, salt marshes, and beach. So YES, there is an ENC and a WNC. There was actually a proposed State of Franklin that would've been parts of East Tennessee and WNC. If you're still confused, try our barbecue. Both of them.

This has been on my mind for a while now. You need another Class 48 and name it MEGA Betsy.

hyce 2023 "grabbing on the shaft and yanking on it"

gonna enjoy this episode!

I was just looking at a video of the Torch Lake steam engine at Green Feild village near Detroit and I saw a coal tower that looks like the one in the game now also the new round water tower is like the one they have as well.

Watch jay leno's video's on his steam cars, they are gasoline fired, and they are actually pretty fast, he put corvette disk brakes on one of them so it can actually stop, but it gets going pretty quick and it cruises at 60+ mph easily, only thing he doesnt mention and i want to know is what the fuel economy was like

you should ask hyce about why the wheel flange is on the inside of the rail vs outside of the rail

Depending on the year of automobile. The speed is read off of the transmission via a speedometer cable. Or the modern way is the wheel speed sensors at the wheel bearings.

kAN remember on diesels at least each axle has its own motor on it. It's not like a scale model with a line shaft to power multiple axles from the same motor. On a steam engine if you flat spot one driver, you've flat spot them all because they're all tied together with the side rods.

Jay Leno has several steam engines including Stanly Steam/Doble steam cars. There are videos on KZfaq about them with starting/operating them.

The ET&WNC had caps on top of the smoke stacks and they were painted red

If you're measuring speed with an added wheel on top of your normal wheel it doesn't matter how big your normal wheel is, the top of the wheel will be going at the same speed as the bottom. The only part that matters is the size of the added wheel, which is unlikely to change significantly.

There is a coaling tower at the Cumbres & Toltec scenic railroad at Chama, Hyce.

Hyce being Hyce, he probably just say "THE GOVERNMENT CANT ARREST ME FOR MAKING A STEAM ENGINE IN MY BACKYARD IF I RUN THE PENTAGON OVER WITH MY TRAIN!"

Your speedometer is based on your wheel tachometers, aka "wheel speed sensors" which are a combination of a gear looking device and a magnetic sensor. You actually know this though from your story about the ABS on your van not working. Same set of sensors unless you go so far back that everything is purely mechanical.

The car rim weights depend on whether its an alloy or steel rim, for alloy rims they add the weights inside to hide them unlike steel where they just get attached to the rim its very interesting imo shouod give it a view online if you have time

Steam cars are actually really fascinating some of them are actually pretty fast

i love the design of the Tenmile train, its a beautiful engine and i would love it if yo buy it next

Kan mentioned steamboat, steamtrain (duh), steam tractor, steam car is mentioned even... but you didn't mention my personal favorite machine: _Steamroller_

I would love to see a comparison between this game and derail valley

For more info on steam powered cars check out Jay Lenos videos, he's done vids on the Stanley Steamer, as well as the White and Doble steam cars as well as one of the first electric cars from the 1900s

The term “full steam ahead” is for ships with multiple boilers and piston sets

Been on that tweetsie time and time again growing up in Nc and going up to sugar moutin area

Do what the pirates did when you're firing at night, close one eye when your looking into the fire to keep the night vision in your other eye.

I can see where the devs made the map so track can be layed down, but it's buried in grass and trees lol.

Still say you need the Tenmile to be Kenosha #21, since it looks like the designer back in the day was a bit drunk when he put the reverser on it externally plus the bogie idea… lol… very cool looking engine, though, but I think it looks crazy enough to be worthy of the Kenosha name! …still yet to figure out how to do the $21 “super chat” (?) thing. Might as well do three sets of $9.99 in the end if I can’t figure it out, iPhone isn’t always your friend.

FYI: those steam cars dominated world land speed records for a long time.

Optical encoders typically are "quadrature encoders". Typically two sets of emitters and detectors precisely spaced so you can tell which direction the wheel is spinning based on the order of the two pulses from the detectors. These are relative encoders, they don't know where you are, just how far you've gone. More complicated optical encoders have additional data on the code wheel to be able to produce absolute positioning, but that takes more than two bits of data.

You can make the cranes go faster by canceling it’s turning animation back to its default position

Jay Leno had a Stanly steamer and covers some of the mechanical aspects in a youtube vid

For a fantastic steam car look up the doble E-series steam car

It’s called a balloon stack and I think it was used on logging railroad so no sparks,cinders, and ash fly out and light fires

Watch those 3 ways. I found out the hard way that they aren't auto sprung when entering at 1 of 3 three entries and after watching you play with one at the beginning I now realise its due to the moving rail not being physically connected to the "Out" rails. More of a 1 of 3 track selector.. A 3 way roundhouse of sorts.

You guys gotta check out train mountain it's miles of track in a massive layout were dozens of those ride on engines run!!!

Love this whistle

Some of the Tweetsie railroad is now a walking path local to me.

Jay Leno has a lot of videos on his “jay lenos garage” KZfaq channel bout his multiple steam cars and stand alone steam engines, pretty neat stuff

Not all rims use sticky weights in order to balance the rims. it mostly has to do with how flashy the rims are. in the case of most older vehicles you would use weights that you would tap onto the edge of the rim because they're cheaper.

The crazy thing is that somebody randomly joined my server bought both of the coal burners and just got the game recently

You should get some history on the last funnel option for the Tenmile

You wouldn't need to account for tire diameter... The tread of the tire is moving at the speed you're traveling.. sure a smaller wheel has higher RPM... But the surface of that wheel is still in contact with stationary rail.

Jay Leno has good videos about steam cars

Can you guys do a run in 1st person pls

when i first saw the red flowers on the track i thought for some reason it was blood ngl

"You can't have a track in your backyard if you have a full sized steam engine" Not with that attitude. I'm sure you could get several hundred acres of land somewhere in like, Nebraska.

The tires are checked for balance from the manufacturer as well. The red dots are the heaviest side and should be opposite of the valve stem.

There is also other maufacturers of steam cars mainly doble (best steam cars) and white.

I want to see this engine handle the 10% 😂😂

be careful the 3 way switchees dont change automatically

New video idea Haul the longest train with all of your engines

The climax has a similar stack to #3 on the new 2-8-0

seeing the flowers are you sure you are not in the flowered land ("la florida")? ;)

Some encoders are optical, some encoders are magnetic. Hall effect encoders are way more accurate than optical encoders

Kan your half wrong, the weights are mostly for the tires. Where the rubber overlaps it ads weight.

Jay Leno owns one and it's oil or kerosene burner.

Kan if you want to lean about the stanley steamer car look up jay lenno stanley steamer he owns one and its actually really cool

Yippee another podcast 👏

Kan can you and Hyce at the end of the series release a copy of the save game from the series

Ask what Hyce's favorite muscle car is "besides his Pontiac", mines split between a 69 Camaro, and 70s Chevelle.

Hey Kan ask hyce if they ever throw sawdust into the burn box at full burn to put on a show.