Coast FIRE | Financial Independence Retire Early

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Erin Talks Money

Erin Talks Money

4 жыл бұрын

Have you ever heard of the FI/RE movement. That is, financially independent, retire early. Well it turns out there are actually a vast number of different ways to reach financial independence.
There is Fat FIRE, Lean FIRE, Slow FIRE, Coast FIRE, Barista FIRE, and Flamingo FIRE. Who knew that there were so many ways to FIRE???
Because each route to financial independence is unique in its own right, I am going to do a little mini series of each of the different types.
This first one ☝️ is going to kick off with the matter of Coast FIRE.
Now as much as I wish it were retiring early and living on the coast, sad to say, that’s not actually what it is.
Coast FIRE is essentially where you save enough money at a young age so that you can STOP contributing to your savings and investments altogether - but you still reach financial independence in the future. Even though you stop saving money, since your money is invested in the stock market (preferably in a Vanguard Roth IRA or in Fidelity in order to take advantage of those low cost index funds) compound interest will take over and work its magic and growing your money.
Now whereas many in the FI/RE community are looking to reach financial independence and retire early, that’s not actually what those on the Coast FIRE path are looking to do. Instead, they aim to retire at a more regular or normal time frame, think 60 or 65 years old. However, the BIG distinction here is that they save very aggressively early on in their career - and then have the ability to stop saving money all together, for decades, all while still reaching financial independence.
Of course saving aggressively early on in life, has a number of perks. Well if you can get a significant lump sum of money invested you can take advantage of a long time horizon in the stock market. That is the best thing you can do for your money and wealth building.
Also, being that you saved so aggressively early on, that means that you don’t have to focus on saving later in life. Which means you are free to spend your entire paycheck and elevate your lifestyle if you so choose. (That is not really an option in any other types of FIRE approach.)
But of course there are some drawbacks as well.
1. You have to be earning significantly more than you are spending.
2. You have to live drastically below your means.
3. You have to have little/no debt - and/or a high income - both would be preferable.
Having a lot of debt is one of the biggest deterrents to this path to wealth. How could you possibly save a larger percentage of your income is really high but it is still going to be harder if you have to spend a great deal paying back lots of debt. So having a debt free lifestyle is really ideal if you are going to try this approach.
Of course you are going to have to be making more than you are spending, that’s the whole premise of this concept. If you don’t, well, it’s rather impossible.
Finally, you have to be willing and somewhat enjoy living below your means. Of course if it makes you absolutely miserable to live the frugal lifestyle, well, this approach may very well not be for you.
However, if you are able to save a large percentage of your income, early on in your life, this approach very well may be worth considering on your journey to wealth and financial independence.
Disclaimer: Please note that this video is made for entertainment purposes only and not to be taken as financial advice. Always make sure to do your own research.
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@AA-yt9ch
@AA-yt9ch 2 жыл бұрын
Saved 150k in retirement, 170k in brokerage and 50% paid off mortgage all before 30. You never know of job loss or bad health so i saved hard and worked crazy young
@arianamora101
@arianamora101 3 жыл бұрын
This is perfect for people who focus on saving aggressively for a few years, take a break and live in another country and bounce back if they want to. I love this concept.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely a good use of the Coast FIRE method 🔥
@Salemguy83
@Salemguy83 3 жыл бұрын
This is the first FIRE video I've seen that didn't fill me with Anxiety! I appreciate your calm and thoughtful presentation :-)
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Yay! I'm so happy to hear that!
@IsFIREforme
@IsFIREforme 4 жыл бұрын
I love your biking up a hill analogy. That’s perfect
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 4 жыл бұрын
Yay! 😃
@RoadtoFIRE
@RoadtoFIRE 3 жыл бұрын
Loved how you articulated this! Can't wait until you talk about FAT FIRE.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Road to FIRE it’s coming soon!
@slapshot1373
@slapshot1373 3 жыл бұрын
I am absolutely thrilled to have found you. I’ve watched so many other channels over the last 4 years and none match your ability to create a call to action by laying out all of the possibilities. You are the best thing on KZfaq right now when it comes to finances, saving, and retirement. Your skill in turning what often feels complex into something surprisingly easy to understand is so incredible, so refreshing and so life changing for so many. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
This is honestly the nicest comment ever - thank you so much! YT is kinda hard sometimes....I want to make info that is helpful and educational. I'm not into gimmicks, quick schemes or click bait. It makes my channel a lot less popular. I have seriously thought about quitting YT. And this comment is making me reconsider
@slapshot1373
@slapshot1373 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErinTalksMoney You are very welcome but believe me the praise was well deserved. I’m happy to hear that it may have potentially earned us all future ETM content on YT. 🙂 I’ve already shared a lot of your advice and strategies with family and friends. I look forward to seeing more in the future.
@FinTek
@FinTek 3 жыл бұрын
I wish Coast FI would get more attention! I think that your explanation of its benefits was really good in this video
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I 💯 percent agree. I truly think it is the most unique form of FI. Lots of grinding and sacrifices early on, but coasting for the remainder (and majority) of your life seems really appealing!
@xaldath4265
@xaldath4265 3 жыл бұрын
This is actually the first content on the subject that talked about staying in the job and increasing your quality of life as opposed to glossing over the fact that you can stay in your job if you love it or whatever. I can't wait to watch the rest of the FIRE method videos.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
I think there are so many different ways to approach FIRE. And whose to say that you have to quite a job when you reach a certain number. FIRE should be about living life on your own terms.
@xaldath4265
@xaldath4265 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErinTalksMoney Thank you for the reply and exactly. The goal is to have enough and feel like it's enough That's why, especially with Coast FI, I encourage people to recheck at least annually. A 20 year old is unlikely to have the same desires as a 60 year old, and even more so if you maintain/grow your lifestyle in the earned income phase. It's easy to run your numbers, reach CoastFI, continue living with lifestyle creep all on the assumption that retirement is good only to realize after you've officially retired that you don't feel fulfillment with the cheaper lifestyle you set for yourself as a young adult. By the way, I've since watched your FIRE playlist and I enjoy the content. This video wasn't on the playlist, though.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
@@xaldath4265 So, so true!! Lifestyle creep is such a real thing. (And plus I am just a naturally caution person, so I always just want to build in a cushion! haha) Thanks for watching the entire FIRE playlist 🤗...I'll go get this video added to it!
@urielbraylen7535
@urielbraylen7535 2 жыл бұрын
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@caseleonard5710
@caseleonard5710 2 жыл бұрын
@Uriel Braylen Instablaster :)
@shaunschaller3473
@shaunschaller3473 2 жыл бұрын
Great analogy for Coast fire - climbing a steep hill at the start and coasting the rest of the way (in a less demanding way) to the goal.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!! 🙏
@EstherCole
@EstherCole 3 жыл бұрын
This video was for me!! I have a coast fire strategy, but didn't know that's what it was... until now !!
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Yay!!
@ZachGinnOfficial
@ZachGinnOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
Love your unselfish work 💪
@brandydavidson-realtor9504
@brandydavidson-realtor9504 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you for getting to the point and so clearly with great background and examples. I found you when looking up Barista Fire. I watched another video on Barista Fire and 5 or 6 minutes in, I still didn't know what the heck it was. So I found you and closed that video! You explained Barista Fire perfectly! and then I couldn't resist learning about Coast Fire. I shared your video with all the kids in my life. Keep up the good work!
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! This type of comment literally makes my day! 😊
@twoasiansandadog5806
@twoasiansandadog5806 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Erin! I had no idea there were so many different types of FIRE approach. We’re on a FIRE journey as well and this video was really helpful! Thanks for sharing. Subscribed!
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Yay! Welcome! I'm always happy to hear from other FIRE members!
@leeharrell777
@leeharrell777 Жыл бұрын
Liking and commenting because your videos have continued to improve and provide value. Well done!
@rickmeier1842
@rickmeier1842 3 жыл бұрын
Great and easy to understand video, thanks!
@evelynalvarez7885
@evelynalvarez7885 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you so much for making it easy to understand and fun at the same time!
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 😊
@stephanievalencia2939
@stephanievalencia2939 2 жыл бұрын
Learned about Coast FIRE from this video a few weeks ago. I’m at Coast FIRE! I find that so exciting! We are working towards retiring in 10 years at 50. Just knowing about coast fire makes me feel more free. I’d have to coast longer- to 65 probably. Knowing this information makes bad days at work so much harder. 😂
@LinsonFIRE
@LinsonFIRE 3 жыл бұрын
The idea of coast fire is pretty new to me, definitely warming up to it. Great video
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@chrish3305
@chrish3305 2 жыл бұрын
Best description of Coast Financial Independance (not necessarily Retiring Early I guess) that I’ve come across on KZfaq. Very well explained, thank you!!
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!! 😊
@justcallmebon2684
@justcallmebon2684 3 жыл бұрын
I love that all the different approaches are being discussed. I’m combining Fat FIRE and Coast FIRE with technically a bit of barista FIRE (since I plan on doing some recreational employment as well) for the best of all worlds. The plan is to work and invest as normal (about 60% of our income) for the next 8 years or so (at 42/44) then we will live and coast on my husband’s “enterployment” until we Fat FIRE with 25MM at 50/52.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE this!!!! What a phenomenal approach! Good luck on your goals!! 😊🥰
@ahmadmumtaz4947
@ahmadmumtaz4947 2 жыл бұрын
Great: !!You explained articulated and assessed with lot of clarity : nothing seems to me irrelevant or digressing : the contents were carefully choose which made this just up to the mark: that verified and revealed a through home work been done on this subject: it goes without saying that I ve seen lots of videos on this very subject but not a single one can touch such a professionalism and clarity ..!! Thanks a lot : appreciation and gratitude..!! I guess you ve no idea from how far I benefited from this which is the beauty of this IT tool but to find something worthwhile : I can’t help saying the credit solely goes to you altogether..!! Keep up the good work..!!
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the kind words!! 🙏🙏
@smallblondezimbo
@smallblondezimbo 2 жыл бұрын
I always come back to this video of yours. :-) I definitely want to FIRE, but this was the first time I learnt about Coast FIRE and it helped reduce the stress around FIRE, the idea that I can get to my coast FIRE number and then just cover my expenses and do a job that I love is very freeing! :-)
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 2 жыл бұрын
That makes me so happy!!! This was my first video that ever go any sort of traction and that's awesome because it's a really cool concept. 😁
@IsFIREforme
@IsFIREforme 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I love coasting FI and we just hit our Coasting FI number this month.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 4 жыл бұрын
That's so awesome!!! A huge CONGRATULATIONS to you 🥳 Seriously, that's such a big deal!!! Now what are you going to do? We hit our coasting FI number a little bit ago too, but we can't bring ourselves to stop saving
@IsFIREforme
@IsFIREforme 4 жыл бұрын
Erin Talks Money if you check out my most recent net worth update video you will see I have decided to make a new goal for each year I can retire earlier. I enjoy the little wins. So instead of being set to retire at 65 I am now shooting for coasting FI retire at 64.
@cris471
@cris471 2 жыл бұрын
Great video !❤️
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! 🙏
@Pieter2360
@Pieter2360 3 ай бұрын
Coast fire really makes a lot of sense, knowing that at a “only” 7.2% CAGR, your (nominal) nest eggs doubles in value (!) in just 10 years and that’s huge. Build a considerable nest egg by age 50, then find a part-time, low impact/stress job for the next 10 years that supports your lifestyle (remember, no need to safe any more), so you can leave your nest egg untouched till age 60, and then fat-fire with a huge nest egg.
@FreeyourFinance
@FreeyourFinance 4 жыл бұрын
Really great video! I wish I had found all of these when I was just 18, rather than 29! However, regardless, I am chuffed that I found it!!!!
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 4 жыл бұрын
I feel you there! I think everyone wishes they would have started sooner. I'm stoked you are on the FI journey! What method are you planning on using?
@FreeyourFinance
@FreeyourFinance 4 жыл бұрын
Erin Talks Money i invest heavily into index funds and I have 5 rental properties too! That provides a nice little income for me!
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 4 жыл бұрын
@@FreeyourFinance Nice! That sounds like a great plan!! I am not investing in physical real estate yet (as my husbands job keeps us moving every 2 years or so) but I invest heavily in index funds as well and gain some real estate exposure through REITs. The plan is to buy some income producing properties once his job allows us to settle. Thus far we have engaged in rent hacking, which allows us to keep our rent at just about $200/mo which is nice though 😊
@FreeyourFinance
@FreeyourFinance 4 жыл бұрын
Erin Talks Money that’s awesome! Rentals can be difficult and come with there own challenges completely! I really love index investing and the simplicity of it!
@FreeyourFinance
@FreeyourFinance 4 жыл бұрын
Erin Talks Money I was also wondering if you would ever consider a collaboration with my channel? I’m looking to have guests on my channel from all walks and areas of life, and I plan on doing a podcast type video chat to share on my channel and of course we could record a video for your channel too if you wanted to? Please let me know, Gary
@malinallitekpatl1
@malinallitekpatl1 2 жыл бұрын
For a while now I've been aggressively chasing FI, to the point to where it has negatively affected my health. With about 75% of my FI number now in savings and investments, am ready to change gears and Coast to FI! Mini retirement is coming soon, likely followed with some part time or contract work, doing something I love. Nice thing about Coast FI is I can change my mind and work aggressively towards FI if the mood strikes.
@paolobonzini9919
@paolobonzini9919 3 жыл бұрын
Your savings compound even while you're still working! If you can save $20,000 every year starting at 25, you might be able to stop saving money at 30 after having invested $100,000 at 8% annual return. But even if you can only save $9,000 every year starting at 25, you might be able to start "coasting" at 40 having invested just $144,000. That's much more favorable than the $270,000 vs $125,000 difference that's in the video.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!!
@regulareuropeaninvestor2154
@regulareuropeaninvestor2154 3 жыл бұрын
great video! regular FIRE was on my mind until I heard about Coast FIRE :)
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know about Coast FIRE for the longest time!!
@stemikger
@stemikger 3 жыл бұрын
I love you!
@MilenaSimsic
@MilenaSimsic 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I have officially coast fired myself off of real estate investments at 25, and am making a video on that topic soon. I did a huge sprint very early on working as a nurse, and just starting coasting a few months ago and loving life! Your video was very straightforward, and I love your incorporation of stories and metaphors. It kept a sometimes boring topic very interesting. I hope you don't mind if I take some inspiration from it myself! Keep it up :)
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 2 жыл бұрын
That's incredible! Congrats on all of your hard work!! 👏👏 And of course you can take some inspo...as long as you subscribe 😉 haha
@MilenaSimsic
@MilenaSimsic 2 жыл бұрын
@@ErinTalksMoneyAlready did :) And thank you! I appreciate it :)
@OrganicFreedom
@OrganicFreedom 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Erin 👋 I’m Yukari. I FIREd last year in my 30s but never knew what Coast FIRE was. I was busy working and saving😂 It makes sense. You explained well with easy-to-understand metaphor and numbers. Great video! I love connecting with someone like you in FIRE community so I can keep learning and build wealth together✨subbed💕
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome!!! I'd love to connect...I'm a huge fan of the FIRE community and am always so curious about everyone's journey!!! 🥰😊
@OrganicFreedom
@OrganicFreedom 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErinTalksMoney thank you for replying! FIRE journey and beyond can be intimidating!
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
@@OrganicFreedom so true, it really can!!
@AA-yt9ch
@AA-yt9ch 2 жыл бұрын
Funny apparently im doing this without even knowing.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 2 жыл бұрын
I accidentally found myself as a FIRE member too!
@joseaparecidoconceicao7878
@joseaparecidoconceicao7878 3 жыл бұрын
It seems to be applicable when a young person gets a great amount of money from heritage.
@JP-om3ou
@JP-om3ou 4 жыл бұрын
Love the blue sweatshirt!
@ELIRAXPRT
@ELIRAXPRT 2 жыл бұрын
Cool concept but I think most people trying to do this in the online community are under estimating the affect of inflation and spending amount and over estimating their returns.
@yasinali3754
@yasinali3754 2 жыл бұрын
Been investing for 6 plus years, cumulatively gotten 13% my friends did even better 16%. Acct now over 6 figs, saved hard first 5 years so can secure my retirement
@yasinali3754
@yasinali3754 2 жыл бұрын
I agree inflation is high 6% now, but I plan on living abroad in cheaper countries for 6 months out of the year.
@stupidsmartperson
@stupidsmartperson 3 жыл бұрын
I’m 29 and I’ve saved up a little over six figures. So technically I could coast fire with similar numbers to what you have put out in this video. However I don’t think I can just turn off my savings. I love investing I love saving and I love my job so I don’t really see any reason not to save and invest. Especially for the 401(k) and IRA tax advantages now and later. That’s the only reason that coast fire doesn’t make sense to me. Because I’m already working to build a life I love and that happens to include a job I love. And the other thing is let’s say I’m making $70,000 a year, I don’t want to spend $70,000 a year because that would be the definition of inflating my lifestyle. And then I would need more money when I actually fire To cover a $70,000 a year spend, instead of the $35,000 I spend now. Also, there’s a huge unknown with being in my 20s that I don’t exactly know what my spend rate will be when I’m in my 60s. A lot can and will change so I think coast fire is not the right fit for me.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
You make such great points. And by no means am I saying that everyone should do coast FIRE...I did this video as educational purposes to inform people of one of the many types of FIRE out there. I have other videos on other types of FIRE and others scheduled as well. I am a huge fan of financial independence and the FIRE movement, but by no means is it perfect. While yes, I do believe that everyone should be striving for financial independence - not every one needs the retire early part. If you love your job, why retire? Keep saving and keep working. I actually have a video coming in the next couple weeks on financial independence without retiring early...because not everyone wants to retire early. 😊
@stupidsmartperson
@stupidsmartperson 3 жыл бұрын
Erin Talks Money oh yes my comment wasn’t a critique! I love the idea, it’s just not right for me. But I thought your explanation was excellent- I just subscribed and I’m excited to watch the rest of your series!
@thomasalancox127
@thomasalancox127 2 жыл бұрын
Couple of important points when it comes to FIRE movement: 1, we are experiencing a 13 year Bull market, longest in the history of our country. Many millennials have not experienced a Bear market. 2. 3.7 inflation rate over the last 50 years, better hope the investments out pace inflation. 3. Work also defines us in many ways (friends, professional growth, development, etc.). 4. Read employment limitations of employment of folks after 55, not to mention the employment skills needed for someone that retired very early in life.
@anniesshenanigans3815
@anniesshenanigans3815 3 жыл бұрын
wish I had discovered these FIRE approaches when I was young. at 57 it's not really an option anymore.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
I can definitely understand that...I know it is getting more and more popular nowadays, but I still don't feel like it is widespread enough. I wish they did a better job educating our kids about finance in the school system.
@lutongmybahay1375
@lutongmybahay1375 3 жыл бұрын
If everyone does FIRE, I think it will hurt the economy because people will less likely to stay in a profession where they are needed.
@anniesshenanigans3815
@anniesshenanigans3815 3 жыл бұрын
@@lutongmybahay1375 unfortunately the 'professions' are not employee friendly and it will take a huge shift to make it that way...
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
@@lutongmybahay1375 Very true. But I also don't think the vast majority of people are interested in FIRE. Some people are, but proportionally, it is a very small segment of the population. Most people don't want to save 60-70% of their income.
@bruxis
@bruxis 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately there's an error in this video by assuming that 50,000 USD today is enough to retire on in 30 years. With inflation considered at 2% per year, 50,000 USD _today_ would be equivalent to just over 90,000 USD in 30 years. This means your retirement goal amount would be closer to 2,250,000 rather than 1,250,000 at the age of 60 and as such you would need a good chunk more saved by the age of 30 (closer to 225,000) if that's the desired coast age. Just pointing out that today's required dollar amount is not the same as it will be in 30 years.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Using an 8% return rate in the stock market is actually discounted 2% for inflation. The stock market returns an average of 10% annually. So when I run the market projections it factors in inflation 👍
@johnmccorkle1694
@johnmccorkle1694 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErinTalksMoney I would also not assume you would hold all the average the 10%. Hidden fees and the lost decade (1999-2009) for example took much of that away from my generations growth.
@slmunney7760
@slmunney7760 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and commentary. I'm skeptical of the "coasting movement" given that Vanguard (yes, Vanguard) projects between 2.6%-4.6% annualized returns from U.S. equities for the next decade. Personally, I think that is bullish based on the current yield environment. My prediction is that a lot of the "FIRE" folks will be returning to the work force in the next decade.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 2 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people who do FIRE sort of jump in and out of the workforce. It's hard to plan for a 50 + year retirement! And I certainly hope those predictions are wrong!!
@slmunney7760
@slmunney7760 2 жыл бұрын
@@ErinTalksMoney Good point and I hope so too.
@alexchen7729
@alexchen7729 7 ай бұрын
Assuming a 8% compounding interest for the next 30 years is reckless.
@lifeyang2
@lifeyang2 2 жыл бұрын
I have a high income (six figures), no debt, and I'm naturally fragile. I'm so excited for my future.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 2 жыл бұрын
Nice, good luck with everything!!
@harishkarunakaran2370
@harishkarunakaran2370 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Erin, loved the video, one question, how are your estimates accounting for inflation? Surely, inflation would eat up a lot of the $50,000 per year in retirement projection
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
The 4% rule allows for an increased withdrawal (increased by the rate of inflation every single year after the first year). Of course if you are retiring early, the general rule of thumb is to withdraw 3% rather than 4%. Nonetheless, you get to withdraw your 3 or 4% plus inflation every year. That's how your purchasing power remains consistent in retirement. I have a full video on the rule of 4% in case you are curious: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNKGhZlzyKqoqXU.html
@harishkarunakaran2370
@harishkarunakaran2370 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErinTalksMoney It makes total sense now, thanks for the clarification! I'm 25 and just learned about the FIRE community this past year and I've saved $60,000 till now, hoping to reach to FI in 10 years. Thanks for the great content!
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
@@harishkarunakaran2370 wow, congrats on saving so much thus far!!! I'm so happy to hear that you are diving into the FIRE community. I love that you have it as your 10 year goal! I have lots of FIRE videos coming up...there are lots of different types. So stay tuned 😊
@karil6461
@karil6461 2 жыл бұрын
Can you link the calulator you used?
@vivekjoseph2457
@vivekjoseph2457 3 жыл бұрын
what about inflation? 1.25 mil today wont have the same purchasing power after 30- 40 years
@andrewb9595
@andrewb9595 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, but I think the x25 rule is terrible because it automatically assumes a 4% withdrawal rate. I prefer the formula "expenses ÷ withdrawal rate". So using your example it would look like "50,000 ÷ .04 = 1,250,000". Not everyone will have a 4% withdrawal rate, it's dependant on your portfolio and your own investing style. Some people would prefer a lower withdrawal rate as a safety net and others (like myself) would prefer to maximize their portfolio to allow for higher than standard withdrawal rates (5% for instance) in order to be able to lower the amount of total savings required.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
So true, and such an important point to make!!! 😊👏That's the thing with finance, it's so personal to everyone's unique situation. These. videos really encompass "general guidelines." In over videos I have gone over who would be more likely to use more conservative or more aggressive withdrawal rates.
@BenCarnage
@BenCarnage 3 жыл бұрын
Coast Fire doesn't seem to be much more than highlighting that you could hypothetically stop the active part of your fire plan and wait for passive returns to cover the rest. You hypothetically spend 10 years learning how to not be wasteful. That's a large time investment that also has a passive return. I very rarely pay more than I have to for anything, because I have a good estimate on value and a good method. The whole concept of coast seems stupid since the goal is basically that you can stop using the skills that give you financial independence. The real magic of Fire and similar movements is that usually you just need a mentality adjustment and a few practical skills to make it happen. It's like a hoarders take on minimalism by cleaning for a few weeks and then returning to hoarding.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
I understand how it can come across that way. I am a die hard saver myself - I can't imagine simply one day just stopping saving. It's just so ingrained into my habits, and habits that I am proud to have developed btw. However, I do want to play devils advocated. Perhaps the goal of coast FIRE isn't to become a wasteful hoarder. Most people - certainly not all - will face less bills in their twenties as they don't yet have kids or a mortgage. And if they are able to save aggressively in those years, by the time they do have kids and take on a mortgage and all those added expenses that come from having a family, perhaps they don't have to fret too much over lowering their savings rate. That way they can provide a nice life for their family and still not worry about having enough in retirement. Just because your cost of living has increased does not necessarily mean that you have suddenly adopted a wasteful lifestyle. It is far more expensive to care for yourself, a spouse and two kids than it is to simply take care of yourself as a single individual. I certainly want to encourage everyone to save - save as much as you can and as often as you can, so you have the best future possible. But also understand that finance is incredibly personal - everyone is in a different circumstance, and those circumstances do indeed change throughout the course of our lives.
@BenCarnage
@BenCarnage 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErinTalksMoney I understood the point, but most Fire movements aren't about deprivation to begin with. Personal sustainability is a necessary component. So while expanding your family or responsibilities changes things somewhat, it doesn't change the skills you learn about personal finance. More than that, I think it's almost a part of your world view. I don't want to spend more than what is reasonable to get the things I want to get. Whether it is time or money. I'm 30, married, two kids. Got a huge house with an apartment for some extra passive income as well as an easy way to convert my time into more value. I want my kids to have even better opportunities than I did, and part of that is to have these skills. Figure out the things you want and then make a sustainable plan to get there. We already opt to work part time (around 50 % each) to have more time to do other things. It's also a good balance to enjoy working. It's not about starving yourself so that you can eat more cake later (dieting analogy), it's about seeing the bigger picture and looking to live happily within it. I like to do things voulentarily, and to know I could go and buy a car in cash if I felt like it.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
@@BenCarnage Congrats on your accomplishments thus far. I totally agree with you, I don't think FIRE is about deprivation - it really is a lifestyle choice.
@canadianmoneytalk
@canadianmoneytalk 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Erin, but I would caution you about the 4% withdrawal rule. It should be closer to 3%, because (1) the rule was for people retiring in their 60s (rather than FIREing in their 40s), and not living as long as we do today, so they'd need less money in total and (2) it was tested in a much-higher interest rate environment, when safe bonds actually paid something. Today's parameters are different.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Great points! You are so right. We are definitely in a different world today. For the vast majority of people who pursue the FIRE route, I absolutely recommend a 3% withdrawal rate. Coast FIRE however is specifically deigned for those who are still aiming for a more traditional retirement age fo 60+, so that is why I used a 4% withdrawal rate in this video. For all my other FIRE videos, I use a 3% withdrawal rate.
@Hitman_0011
@Hitman_0011 4 ай бұрын
Do you really think it’s so easy to make 8% net per year?
@mike4139502
@mike4139502 4 ай бұрын
Love the video…but terrible echo
@benjaminmartin7702
@benjaminmartin7702 3 жыл бұрын
I want something more agresive. Like how to retire in ten years, with 30k to 40k income I think that is more realistic.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
That would be Lean FIRE
@barbiec4312
@barbiec4312 2 жыл бұрын
8% return seems kind of high.
@yasinali3754
@yasinali3754 2 жыл бұрын
I get 13% annually. Been investing for 6 years
@yasinali3754
@yasinali3754 2 жыл бұрын
2020 made 75% overall cuz just bought oil and banking shares during the crash
@ariefraiser140
@ariefraiser140 3 жыл бұрын
3:24 One little correction. Actually it's a major correction. The rule to calculate your f.i.r.e. number is 25 times your annual EXPENSES not annual income. If you use income to calculate your retirement number it is actually anywhere from 10 to 14 times your annual income depending on which financial institution's estimates you follow.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Everyone approaches FIRE a bit differently. If your preference is to have just enough to cover your expenses, then certainly 12 times your annual income will be enough. However, I am very conservative by nature...I like to have a buffer, as we never really can count on investments performing perfectly in any particular year. And rather than just covering expenses, I like to be able to restore income in its entirety. For instance, if you make $50K per year, simply save 12 times that, you'd have $600,000, using the 4% rule you could safely withdraw $24K/year. Assuming that matched your annual expenses, sure you could retire. However, if you were making $50K per year, saved 25 times that, you'd have $1.25 million, using the rule of 4% you could no safely withdraw $50K/year. Now you are back at your previous income and you can live a little larger in retirement - you can travel, pursue other passions you may not have had time for while working, start a family (that's not cheap haha), etc. So really it depends on what your goals are. Most people I know on their FIRE journey don't want to pursue Lean FIRE..they don't want to simply cover their bare bones expenses. They want to retire to live life on their own terms, travel and feel ok spending a bit of money.
@ariefraiser140
@ariefraiser140 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErinTalksMoney I understand buffer and all but then we start getting into Suze Orman you need at least $5 million territory before you can retire. And also the base for almost every financial independent/f.i.re. explaination I've seen is 25 times annual expenses. Then you can advise to start working in contingencies. I've seen people say well it's 25 times annual expenses but I work with 33 times annual expenses for a buffer. Or I plan to accumulate enough where I can use a 3% withdraw rate to cover my annual expenses instead of 4%. But I've rarely seen anyone work with 25 times annual income as a rule or even a buffer.
@johnb1571
@johnb1571 2 жыл бұрын
disagree with no longer contributing, once you have reached your goal, say 270k, and you are still working, still contribute to the company match since its free money, just icing on the cake.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 2 жыл бұрын
Great point!
@BrokeAgain
@BrokeAgain 3 жыл бұрын
1.4Million? thats kinda hard to attain.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it certainly is, that's why Coast FIRE isn't going to work for most people. It may work for some, but certainly not all.
@Fishfood007
@Fishfood007 2 жыл бұрын
Please teach this correctly. If you want 50k to retire on and won’t retire for 20 year add 2% a year for inflation. You actually need closer to 75k a year to retire from the start. Then you need to be able to increase income at 2% a year from then on to maintain the same life style.
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