How fast are Alton Towers' operations?

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We timed how long it took Alton Towers' 7 big roller coasters to dispatch trains from their stations to find out whether Alton Towers has good operations!
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VIDEO TIMELINE
00:00 Introduction
01:34 Wicker Man
03:19 Rita
04:21 Thirteen
05:39 The Smiler
06:46 Oblivion
07:48 Galactica
08:59 Nemesis
09:55 Recap and conclusion

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@coasterforcedivvie
@coasterforcedivvie 3 жыл бұрын
I bloody love data. Well done! Comparing clones would be a true comparison of operations….
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! You're right that would be super interesting! :)
@coastersnaps
@coastersnaps 3 жыл бұрын
loved this video, can’t wait for the thorpe park version!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! :)
@dgpkira9440
@dgpkira9440 3 жыл бұрын
This makes want to see a redo of US park operations videos. Taylor's "Train dispatched every x seconds" and leaving it at that is no longer cutting it lol
@389Tman389
@389Tman389 3 жыл бұрын
Now this kind of video is what I love to see. This sounds like the beginning of a massive global effort to gather data on rides. Or at least I’d love to see it and would help with my home parks. You could get a lot of data with everyone spread out, though the US parks are especially bad right now due to massive staffing shortages. Tatsu at SFMM is down 2 staff on the restraint checks so the dispatches are probably pushing 3 minutes or more. Much worse than what Galactica seems to be doing.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
We've had quite a few people message saying they'd be happy to collect some data, which is awesome. :)
@Wilipeidia
@Wilipeidia 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta say Oblivion always felt the fastest to me in that I never actively queued. I always felt like I was moving even during busy times and only actively stopped once I was pretty much at the ride building. The Smiler even when I was able to use Single Rider queues always took what felt like eternity to ride on. So I just stopped riding on it.
@IskdIwowke-tw1yy
@IskdIwowke-tw1yy Жыл бұрын
Two rides on smiler on Sat 3 Jun (half term) 2023, got on both times within 5 mins and there were less than 5 people in front, walked straight into station
@JamesonThomas24
@JamesonThomas24 3 жыл бұрын
I found this fascinating. I used to work at Walt Disney World, where I ran 4 separate attractions, and was even an efficiency coach at one at times, where it was my job to ensure we hit our hourly capacity numbers! Disney’s numbers… I won’t say what they are… but they were much higher haha. I am excited to see future videos in this series!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't expect anything more. Places like MK at Disney World have close to 10 times the attendance figures of Alton Towers. I'd expect the more popular Disney rides to be maintaining 2000 as a minimum. I would be interested in knowing what numbers you were managing. Also, did you count people rather than trains? Obviously my assumption is every train is completely full, whereas I imagine parks have detailed throughput figures counting the exact number of people. :)
@somechump5239
@somechump5239 3 жыл бұрын
I have that exact calculator in the thumbnail!
@trimlesscoasters
@trimlesscoasters 3 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@samspires
@samspires 3 жыл бұрын
So does every kid in Britain attending high school
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Legit
@jordycorba4422
@jordycorba4422 3 жыл бұрын
As a former ride op and teamleader at Europa - Park & Walibi Holland its great to see a video that goes so in dept about operations! Just a fun fact; at Condor at Walibi Holland we got a capacity of 709 riders per hour. Theoretically its 640 per hour :) best we ever did that year was a 15 second dispatch! Getting the team highly motivated and the guests involved (aka turning it into a game of sorts) is the key to succes!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
A 15 second dispatch is very impressive! :)
@LLLLLLLLLucas
@LLLLLLLLLucas Жыл бұрын
That's awesome!
@the21stsergeant
@the21stsergeant 2 жыл бұрын
I was there this past weekend and found them to be incredibly efficient. Great park, has always been consistently impressive.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome to hear, I'm glad you had a great time! :)
@Joelertron
@Joelertron 3 жыл бұрын
This was super interesting! My preditcion for thorpe park is that swarm will be the highest, with saw being the lowest
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you think so! Great prediction, you'll find out if you're right soon :)
@bswift1991
@bswift1991 3 жыл бұрын
Your clip in the intro of Speed at Oakwood sent me back in time. Used to be a ride op there. Honestly, nevermind efficiency, any time a ride makes it back in to it's station with all it's wheels still attached and no missing passengers is a miracle. That place is awful.
@scrapplejacks8780
@scrapplejacks8780 3 жыл бұрын
These are really well done and thorough.
@turnfan98
@turnfan98 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love these kind of videos, can't wait for you to do more.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm glad you like them :)
@NitroIndigo
@NitroIndigo 3 жыл бұрын
"However, Alton Towers can only run up to four trains on The Smiler" OOF.
@genericaccount7422
@genericaccount7422 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know why this is? I'm assuming something changed after the accident but I might be wrong.
@amberr3662
@amberr3662 4 ай бұрын
​@@genericaccount7422 iirc it's partly due to the accident (I'm not sure if they had 5 trains during any other season, but they definitely added a 5th train on that day which is the train that was crashed into) but also I'm pretty sure smiler only has 5 block sections, and a coaster needs 3 block sections for 2 trains (a spare is needed for safety purposes) so 5 trains wouldn't be viable when there are 5 block sections Again, this is based on memory from a few years ago, so I'd recommend checking out a video explaining block sections cuz I think that's where I got this info from
@ZaneLikesCheese
@ZaneLikesCheese Жыл бұрын
I really liked how when I was watching the smiler two trains would go up the lift hills at the same time and the train going up the sloped one reached the top first meaning it'd wiz past the one still going up the vertical one
@aleksthevoyager1260
@aleksthevoyager1260 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to help you with this if you want! I can get the Holiday World rides.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Aleks that would be fantastic! I mis-clicked on your Instagram message and deleted it by accident. Can you message me on there again and we can discuss it further? Thanks :)
@willshimmons6516
@willshimmons6516 3 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant coaster bot video. Thanks Harry for providing such in-depth and addictive content!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words :)
@CoasterRob
@CoasterRob 3 жыл бұрын
This was certainly very interesting I dont normally think about this if I see a ride I want to do and it has a decent wait time I go for it 😁
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm just a nerd! ;)
@stefanreijn6054
@stefanreijn6054 3 жыл бұрын
This is some quality nerd stuff, I love it, also explained really well!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stefan! :)
@arich2245
@arich2245 3 жыл бұрын
That thumbnail though
@twistedcoasters1533
@twistedcoasters1533 3 жыл бұрын
This was fascinating! I would love to see this for more parks!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@seriomarkj
@seriomarkj 3 жыл бұрын
Cool format for this one!
@ParkSpill
@ParkSpill 3 жыл бұрын
Loved this, so interesting. The music is so ominous, edge of the seat stuff 😬
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@hattylntamin6613
@hattylntamin6613 3 жыл бұрын
13 was awful when i went, so was galactica. The Smiler and Rita were great! It's so different depending on the day and everything else . I loved this video so much!
@grahamlogan917
@grahamlogan917 3 жыл бұрын
An excellent video! Loved it!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@technoandrew
@technoandrew 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Really interesting, the contrast between how ambitious some manufacturers are about their theoretical capacity! Some really superb footage throughout as well.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Andrew! I couldn't agree more actually :)
@HalfNorthern
@HalfNorthern 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video to watch! I'd definitely be curious to see what other parks are like for sure!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm glad you think so :)
@mileyhanna6987
@mileyhanna6987 3 жыл бұрын
Loved this video! Can't wait to see more
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that means a lot :)
@kaidesouza01
@kaidesouza01 3 жыл бұрын
absolutely loved this video!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
That's awesome to hear, thank you! :)
@thrill_riders
@thrill_riders 3 жыл бұрын
Super interesting video!! Looking forward to more ❤️
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! :)
@emmawilliams16
@emmawilliams16 3 жыл бұрын
I loved it!
@ToastGhost
@ToastGhost 3 жыл бұрын
Now this in the content I subscribed for!
@TVTtheis
@TVTtheis 3 жыл бұрын
I love it. It is an nother type of compend theme parks, and very interesting. So I'm can't wait for for the next video ☺️
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words :)
@deehazleton9276
@deehazleton9276 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for Thorpe park very interesting data
@emersonbutler1778
@emersonbutler1778 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! :)
@jonathanadams7219
@jonathanadams7219 2 жыл бұрын
6:05 The Music: *Sings The Laughs as the park can run 4 trains*
@AmityAmaan
@AmityAmaan 3 жыл бұрын
This was really exciting, looking forward for the Thorpe Park edition as that is my home park!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks for watching :)
@louishunt372
@louishunt372 3 жыл бұрын
Great video mate very interesting!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. :)
@demodex9653
@demodex9653 3 жыл бұрын
Cool video !
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Kabaladamawomasp
@Kabaladamawomasp 3 жыл бұрын
I went in 2020 during the summer and i must say for a brand new ride and a busier park capacity than i expected, wickerman's line moved surprisingly fast! I think the estimate was 90mins, but we were constantly moving and i definitely fot on much sooner than the estimate
@elliotearles8302
@elliotearles8302 3 жыл бұрын
This video was so good, I need you to do it for every park
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, we hope to expand to more parks soon:)
@frida507
@frida507 3 жыл бұрын
THIS is one nerdy video! :) Well done.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Ha ha thank you :)
@31Jammy
@31Jammy 3 жыл бұрын
This has potential to be a great series of videos! A great idea.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm glad you think so :)
@31Jammy
@31Jammy 3 жыл бұрын
@@coasterbot It'll be interesting to compare the UK parks! Do you think that this will be a worldwide thing once restrictions are lifted and you can get out to the international parks?
@mischiefmanaged5757
@mischiefmanaged5757 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff. I like it and would be interested to see more.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@Snorrie
@Snorrie 3 жыл бұрын
I love this everything I ever wanted
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
That's awesome, thanks for watching :)
@vaughntoothman1992
@vaughntoothman1992 3 жыл бұрын
Great video man!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! :)
@rhyshughes2323
@rhyshughes2323 3 жыл бұрын
that was a really great video cant wait for other theme parks
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm glad you think so :)
@kieran69
@kieran69 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see more of these, i always thought The Smiler would be a queue eater, just shows!!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
There will be more! :)
@lukiluke28
@lukiluke28 3 жыл бұрын
That is a nice way to compare the operation time! I would love to see parks in Germany and in the Netherlands!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks I'm glad you think so! I'd love to see that too :)
@willparker302
@willparker302 3 жыл бұрын
I went on the 10th this month and it was great!
@Tphansi
@Tphansi 3 жыл бұрын
Not me not knowing what a single thing means but still watching because it’s interesting
@limitless.coasterdoc477
@limitless.coasterdoc477 3 жыл бұрын
This thumbnail took me back to 2015
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah
@LeoElso
@LeoElso 3 жыл бұрын
I'm willing to bet that once this series comes to an end, Europapark will be on top. Never visited a park with quicker operations. Apparently a 45min wait is considered obscene over there. Visited mid-july and never waited more than 30 min.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to do this for Europa Park, it'd be extremely interesting!
@george5924
@george5924 3 жыл бұрын
You have absolutely shat on Coaster Studios here. Well done chap!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
ha ha I didn't mean to
@NitroIndigo
@NitroIndigo 3 жыл бұрын
When I went to Alton Towers a few weeks ago, only one Galactica station was in use.
@tariqsiddique4561
@tariqsiddique4561 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video 👍
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@keithtempleman705
@keithtempleman705 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! One on CWoA please!
@martindooley4439
@martindooley4439 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Be interesting to have data updated weekly using an app and reporting by enthusiasts. You could have a league table. Be interesting to see what patterns emerge. Parks, suppliers age etc. I think the customers leaving the platform after the ride could be a significant factor
@hattylntamin6613
@hattylntamin6613 3 жыл бұрын
love it
@babagrill1009
@babagrill1009 3 жыл бұрын
Wow this was interesting
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks I'm glad you think so! :)
@appalachianenthusiast9499
@appalachianenthusiast9499 3 жыл бұрын
If I had an Oblivion clone at my park, I would be pushing for all 7 to operate as long as they were not needing maintenance.
@peedlejaydle
@peedlejaydle 3 жыл бұрын
Get the problem with trains stacking when you have all 7 on though? Wouldn’t be fun being stuck on the brake run in this heat
@jaysoncowan4333
@jaysoncowan4333 3 жыл бұрын
@@peedlejaydle it wouldn’t really benefit from being on all 7 as all the shuttles would be stacked however on my Alton towers visit in June 2021, oblivion was on 6 shuttles and 2 stations and the queue was advertised an hour and we waited no more than 25 mins
@RJE48
@RJE48 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting...
@suitsyousir1980
@suitsyousir1980 3 жыл бұрын
Duelling on the Smiler? You’re not kidding
@edcameron
@edcameron 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@fabbe5515
@fabbe5515 3 жыл бұрын
Do one of those next time you visit Liseberg!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Will do! :)
@Gabes1321
@Gabes1321 3 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic and interesting! I didn’t know the operations on the smiler were that bad! Anyway the park overall has good operations and I realised that when I went on 13
@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE
@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE 3 жыл бұрын
Operations on smiler had to change cus of the accident safety is way more 8mportant obvs and as it was human error accident then id for sure say the fellas who operate it do so with the fear of their jobs so they'd rather make sure it all goes well other than getting people on they probably more concerned that you get off of the smiler alive tbh
@Gabes1321
@Gabes1321 3 жыл бұрын
@@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE I agree but I still think that if it is safe to operate 5 trains which it is, they should do it!
@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE
@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gabes1321 yh but again the workers matter more than we do aha we have a good time alive and still complain lol 😆 my dad was an alton worker btw air ( galactica ) was his gig and nemesis if needed as he was trained on it too the amount of shit he got honestly the throughput would be higher if guests were nicer...........
@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE
@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gabes1321 yh humans didn't catch the extra train so adding more for humans to have to do is not making it safe and if it was safe then alton would be doing it
@Gabes1321
@Gabes1321 3 жыл бұрын
@@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE it definitely is safe. The human error wouldn’t have mattered if Alton towers weren’t operating the ride in too high winds
@Jalmaan
@Jalmaan 3 жыл бұрын
Would love you guys to do vids like these in some parks around Belgium, The Netherlands and Germany aswell
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
We'd love to do that too!
@GGxfireKeyz
@GGxfireKeyz 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Rita breaks down very often - usually while you're queueing for it. So the actual PPH is even lower
@potassium6973
@potassium6973 3 жыл бұрын
I went on sunday and operations were great, got on nemesis twice in an hour, Galactica twice in an hour and 10 and wicker man twice in 1 hour 15, definitely worth it
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
That's awesome :)
@comicbookguygamecat
@comicbookguygamecat 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it :)
@eddienhp
@eddienhp 3 жыл бұрын
Alton Towers has Good Operations to keep the park going! 👍 By the way, I was hoping you should do Thorpe Park next for your next video!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
We just went to Thorpe Park, so expect one of these operations videos from there soon :)
@samspires
@samspires 3 жыл бұрын
Would like to see one of these for portaventura, they seemed a tad slow with operations when I went two years ago!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Me too, that'd be great!
@henriaasi2102
@henriaasi2102 3 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see videos like this for more parks😄. (When Covid is gone and you can go there) Europa Park would be interesting, because they have really fast operations on most of the rides.
@TheRadioAteMyTV
@TheRadioAteMyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Covid will never be gone, but hopefully the restrictions will be.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Europa Park would be a really interesting one to do!
@TheRadioAteMyTV
@TheRadioAteMyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Why can I picture this exact type of analysis for a couple going on a date and how long it takes to get from first to second base and so on. Then the voice over continues, now his expectations were..... fill in the blank, but his actual output of reaching that goal was in fact this long. And on it goes. Not exactly hilarious stuff, but great fun and silliness. Maybe on this channel on April Fools Day next year? Grab your date and Coaster Bot will grab his calculator! Better watch out all you Ritas! He's watching you.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
God now that would be something ha ha
@rc_smarti7647
@rc_smarti7647 3 жыл бұрын
Really interesting video! I like these data heavy ones. However the topic of operations is quite difficult to discuss. All you need is a few more or less motivated staff members and the whole picture can change. We went to Tripsdrill yesterday and one of the staff members at Hals über Kopf was basically running around the train, checking restraints in record time because he was so into it 😂 I'm sure that coaster would've smashed its load factor that day 😎
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. That's very true, some ops are fantastic! :)
@Nerdchacho
@Nerdchacho 3 жыл бұрын
Such an interesting series idea... There is one thing you've potentially missed out here.. The depreciation factor. You can't push an older coaster to hit theoretical capacity because if you do, they would fall apart (not literally, of course) - but you would risk more mechanical breakdowns or stoppages than if you took it slightly easier on the operations. So, your theoretical capacities are good as estimates when the coaster is in the beginning of its service life but you will need to lower these theoretical capacities to accommodate age. I can try finding out what the depreciation percentage is if you like? So for example, nearly 20 years in for Rita, it is not reasonable to expect it to be hitting that when it is aging. This is why coasters then end up on kill-lists - because it is no longer economical to run them. The GP often forget this factor when using their subjective view of operations and is also why Wickerman can plough trains out while Rita limps in... Wickerman will depreciate over the years starting from, around 2023. You can sorta see this in action already. Th13teen opened with a higher than theoretical capacity of 1440 per hour - topping 1600 in some calculations - compared to the 1210 you had on your visit. Yes, your visit was running 3 fewer rows, but on opening the checks would have been longer, which would essentially cancel each other out to an extent.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
These are some really interesting points. I hadn't thought about the factor of aging, though I must ask, is this something you know to be true or have theorised? I can appreciate the idea of not operating a ride as efficiently to reduce the number of dispatches and increase its lifespan. But when you look at something like Nemesis, 27 years old this year, averaging 86% I question the validity of the assumption. Perhaps that's due to a quality ride system though? On the topic of 13, where did you hear about these alternative theoretical throughputs? Surely you're governed by how fast the drop track can reset itself? At least 25 seconds of that would be taken by the first train entering and the drop sequence occuring, but I imagine resetting takes a while too.
@Nerdchacho
@Nerdchacho 3 жыл бұрын
​@@coasterbot I'm working with the Continuous Improvement department on something that would involve these very calculations and considerations. I can see if there is a formula that I can get hold of to assist with this? There are more factors than maintenance at play... but specifically speaking about maintenance and depreciation I would say that Nemesis hasn't declined in operations as much as Rita has because there is much less that can go wrong with Nemesis in comparison. Nemesis is a fairly easy-going coaster to maintain. She isn't as needy.. Your comment about it alternating between 60 and 100 seconds is spot on. The dispatchers will aim to have the next train leaving as the previous one arrives to average it out. This assists with off-setting the aging factor because they can dispatch every 100 seconds if they need to and still hit the top end of "theoretical". Similar principle for Swarm at Thorpe too. Internally we call it "longer leg effect" because operations are like walking with one leg longer than the other - where dispatches aren't always even because of the length of time to load is shorter than the ride time is. But this averaging masks the aging decline somewhat. For the Th13teen stuff, this is purely anecdotal based on the CoasterForce interview with John Wardley on opening day where he cited a throughput of around 1600 against theoretical of 1200.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Your work all sounds super interesting! If you have the formula I'd love to hear it. I'd be interested to know more about what you do at Merlin too, it sounds like a job that I would get along with. That makes sense. The trains are pretty quick to load, so as long as the drop track can reset in time it seems plausible. :)
@thecorrected7401
@thecorrected7401 3 жыл бұрын
You knew what you were doing putting Icon as the first point of comparison. Icon deserves it's reputation as the gold standard for operations in the U.K. You're always queing out the door for it, but you're on it 20 minutes later every time. The park staff are wizards. If you do revisit this concept at Towers though, I would love to see estimations for the Mine Train. I feel my soul leave my body any time I have to queue for that ride. Entire planets are birthed, grown to maturity and die out whilst i'm still stuck waiting to ride.
@coastercountdowns6769
@coastercountdowns6769 3 жыл бұрын
Dude it literally takes 25 minutes from the entrance of the ride to get on it
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Icon is definitely going to be an interesting one to time! Yeah I think I'll measure the other bigger coasters on my next visit :)
@GavHern
@GavHern 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see this video redone after covid precautions are dropped to see how the pandemic affected dispatch times
@danielledewitt1
@danielledewitt1 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever that will be.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@CoasterStats
@CoasterStats 3 жыл бұрын
That's a nice new format for videos. For me personally it's still a mild shock, that most rollercoasters don't exceed the 1000 riders per hour, when there are rollercoasters like Big Thunder Mountain at DLP with theoretical capacities beyond 2400 riders per hour.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting but is a mild shock? We're talking about Disney, host to the most popular theme parks on earth. It makes sense that these places have rides with 2/3 times the capacity of more traditional theme parks honestly :)
@CoasterStats
@CoasterStats 3 жыл бұрын
@@coasterbot of course the capacity is way lower than on Disney's rollercoasters. But still Alton Towers is in the top 10 of the biggest themeparks in Europe, so I would have guessed differently. I would have guessed coasters like The Smiler or Wickerman to reach 1200. I've operated myself rollercoasters with around 700 to 800 riders per hour with only a second colleague and two train ops.
@CoasterNerd
@CoasterNerd 2 жыл бұрын
Much better than the Coaster Studios ones lol (don't tell Taylor!)
@george5924
@george5924 3 жыл бұрын
Eat this Taylor!
@seany84uk
@seany84uk 3 жыл бұрын
I was suprised by the wickerman out of all the coasters. When at full capacity thirteen eats the queues well i think. Ive queued right at the entrance and slowly walked the full queue onto the ride in about 40 mins pre covid days.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
13 is pretty popular too, so it's good it can get through people quickly :)
@seany84uk
@seany84uk 3 жыл бұрын
@@coasterbot yup :)
@WhiteSuburbanite
@WhiteSuburbanite 3 жыл бұрын
I am deeply interested in these stats. If you organized a google doc to crowdsource data, I’d be happy to contribute on my park visits this summer. It would be particularly interesting to see a comparison by manufacturer to see who more accurately predicts real-world throughput.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly that's something I am thinking of doing. I've had a few messages with people willing to help record times for specific parks. I'll give that a trial and then will perhaps expand it further :)
@djboss302
@djboss302 3 жыл бұрын
As a ride op myself, this is super interesting stuff! I found the Nemesis bit particularly interesting, as I'm currently working a ride of the same model
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, glad you liked it! I'd be interested in hearing what kind of throughputs you're able to achieve on your invert :)
@GamerBoss-fn2mo
@GamerBoss-fn2mo 3 жыл бұрын
do operators get paid near minimum wage?
@thekewldude5443
@thekewldude5443 2 жыл бұрын
which b&m invert? :)
@djboss302
@djboss302 2 жыл бұрын
@@thekewldude5443 Great Bear
@KaspersetzSlideStudios
@KaspersetzSlideStudios 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. My question is this; do the dispatch intervals compiled here include the amount of time that it takes the next train to enter the station upon the incumbent train dispatching? I would assume thats the case in this video. The Coaster Studios dispatch series focuses more on how quickly operators could operate a ride rather than the resulting attraction capacity. They're enjoyable, but not intended for accurate calculations. This video is an interesting take on capacity though that I've not seen online, I applaud the math here.
@TheRadioAteMyTV
@TheRadioAteMyTV 3 жыл бұрын
He said it did at the beginning of the video didn't he?
@KaspersetzSlideStudios
@KaspersetzSlideStudios 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRadioAteMyTV I'm dumb
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching :)
@yougoodbro6305
@yougoodbro6305 3 жыл бұрын
I wish Rita was like stealth, always loaded with trains to send out, way way shorter queues than Rita it’s just quicker and you could say, better than Rita. But I love both coasters none the less
@CurvedGD
@CurvedGD 3 жыл бұрын
“Theme parks focus on safety as a number 1 priority, and will not speed up during busy times” Me:WHAT ABOUT SMILER 2015.
@marcussheen
@marcussheen 3 жыл бұрын
I have a lot of complaints about Merlin, but typically operations have always been decent - not amazing, but decent. Great analysis, and great to see you measuring capacity properly by taking an average at a specific point, too.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
I think it depends on the park. Alton Towers have great operations on *most* of the rides, whereas I find other merlin parks to be less consistent.
@bethpepper
@bethpepper 3 жыл бұрын
You should do Oakwood! Went yesterday as live locally and we seemed to have a better day than you guys did! All rides were efficient in getting us on and a couple were walk on! And it was a Saturday!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
That'd be cool, I might do that next time I visit Oakwood :)
@bethpepper
@bethpepper 3 жыл бұрын
@@coasterbot honestly, I think it's erratic on what experience people have. We had an awesome day. I'll keep an eye out for you when we visit soon again :)
@greghudson4906
@greghudson4906 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve counted dispatches on Nemesis in 5 minutes, multiplied that by 12 and clocked it at being capable of 1,536 riders per hour, assuming no hold ups and every seat filled - could potentially push 1600 with no stacking for the whole hour
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
That's awesome, they must have been firing the trains out! :)
@petermc7098
@petermc7098 3 жыл бұрын
Helllo There, this is interesting to know, thank you for giving us your perspective on this, it's much appreciated. Cheers Peter :) p.s. the operations are pretty decent at Alton Towers, it will be great for you to do a comparison video of different operations including Paultons Park, Legoland, Paultons Park, Flamingo Land, Oakwood Theme Park, Thorpe Park Resort, Blackpool Pleasure Beach and Chessington World of Adventures etc.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
We're hoping to compare more parks in the future, even ones outside of the UK :)
@petermc7098
@petermc7098 3 жыл бұрын
@@coasterbot Hello There, that sounds great, I look forward to it, thank you for doing this. Cheers Peter :-)
@oneplusfourfourteen
@oneplusfourfourteen Жыл бұрын
this happens because the 4th is in the scrapyard and i have a seat btw oblivion has a small que and usualy 3 stations one is secret and has 5 trains
@stuartmax147allen3
@stuartmax147allen3 3 жыл бұрын
Galactica operations are awful which we know anyway went Monday queue board was 50 minutes actual wait was 2 hours 15 minutes wasted half our day and it didn't even break down during that time operations were just slower than normal. Great video
@mattnewman4287
@mattnewman4287 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Harry; really interesting to see the real world throughputs these rides get! I did some throughput timing of my own at Alton on my last visit, and I did get some different readings to you; for Wicker Man, I got 1059pph, which is higher than your reading of 973pph, and I also clocked Oblivion at 1156pph, which is a fair bit higher than your 897pph. On the flip side, I got a far lower Thirteen reading of 957pph, which is way lower than your 1210pph. I think that just shows that operations can vary a fair bit, if nothing else! Out of interest, how did you calculate the theoretical throughput of rides that had less trains than their full capacity (e.g. Smiler was 985 instead of 1200 and Oblivion was 1108 instead of 1900)? Also, if you’re wanting to do more videos like this, I’d recommend an app named Dispatch Timer. It makes timing these things very easy, and is free to download on the App Store!
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! As you saw it's all relative to that one experience on the day. Realistically it'd be great to get multiple readings across multiple days. How many readings did you take usually to create an average? We aimed for about 10. I also removed readings that were 2 standard deviations away from the mean, putting this down to guests unnecessary extending dispatch times. To determine the throughput on less trains I measured the time it takes one train to navigate the circuit. You can then use the theorectical dispatch time to see how long it would take to dispatch all your trains. For example, the smiler on 4 trains should theorectically dispatch all 4 with about 10/20 seconds or so to spare before train 1 returns back into the station. Using this you can generate a new throughput which adjusts for this time where theorectically nothing is happening. I've heard about that app. I like to have all of the individual readings though so I can do some additional analysis (like finding the standard deviation). But for most cases that app works great :)
@mattnewman4287
@mattnewman4287 3 жыл бұрын
@@coasterbot Ah right; cheers, Harry! I used an average of 5 to calculate my throughputs in the vast majority of cases. I guess your rule of 10 might be slightly more accurate, as more data is always better, but I thought that 5 was a nice rule of thumb to go for, as I sometimes didn’t have the time to calculate 10 dependant on how long the queue was.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
It's a time consuming process. We actually watched most of the rides go round for 15/20 minutes capturing dispatch times. No measure is really perfect unless you take huge amount of readings across multiple days of the year, but sadly we don't have time to do that! Ha ha :)
@mattnewman4287
@mattnewman4287 3 жыл бұрын
@@coasterbot You still managed to get enough readings to make a great video! I’ll be intrigued to see what your readings unveil for parks where the ride throughputs typically aren’t as high as Alton’s, like Blackpool Pleasure Beach or Chessington. Or basically any other non-Alton park in the UK, to be honest.
@SixDifferentWays.
@SixDifferentWays. 2 жыл бұрын
I never knew you could type fast or slow on a calculator!!!!
@SteveAndAlexBuild
@SteveAndAlexBuild 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting Harry . Proof they nemesis is the best in whatever category it’s in .😉. You forgot roller disco 🤣🤣🧱👍🏽
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I think we left that one out on purpose ;)
@SteveAndAlexBuild
@SteveAndAlexBuild 3 жыл бұрын
@@coasterbot 😆😆🧱👍🏽
@animeleek
@animeleek 3 жыл бұрын
Alton towers had One of the fastest op i have seen except for that minetrain for some reason they needed 3 people together to put down the same bar
@jaysoncowan4333
@jaysoncowan4333 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Although u said the smiler can only run 4 of its 5 trains but in my visit in 2019 it was running all 5 however on my visit in 2021 it was only running 4. Any idea on why it only runs 4 now. Also oblivion was on 6 shuttles on my 2021 visit so that increases the pph on this video.
@coasterbot
@coasterbot 3 жыл бұрын
Alton Towers only own 4 Smiler trains! I think you're right about Oblivion though, I thought it was 5 but in reality it's 6!
@jaysoncowan4333
@jaysoncowan4333 3 жыл бұрын
@@coasterbot I could have sworn it had 5 trains😂I could have put my life on it I thought it opened with 5 then it crashed so it only ran 4 for the 2016 season then they got another train back?also in the video u said it has 5 trains to?
@touristattractionalfie9376
@touristattractionalfie9376 2 жыл бұрын
0:00 Why Has Nemesis Got NO wheel covers on!?
@SixDifferentWays.
@SixDifferentWays. 2 жыл бұрын
No clue
@kenepo4u496
@kenepo4u496 3 жыл бұрын
What’s your opinion on the GP?
@oneplusfourfourteen
@oneplusfourfourteen Жыл бұрын
it takes wickerman 15 min to move a train from one track to another galactica 25 seconds and nemysis 5 mins for examle as the smiler would take 15 mins
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