I've found the complete ritual right here: The sirens are screaming and the fires are howling Way down in the valley tonight There's a man in the shadows with a gun in his eye And a blade shining oh so bright There's evil in the air and there's thunder in sky And a killer's on the bloodshot streets Oh, and down in the tunnel where the deadly are rising Oh, I swear I saw a young boy down in the gutter He was starting to foam in the heat

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Unfortunately he is currently dead-ish in the lore. Korsarro Khan took his head and I believe it's his head being carried by the model. The head is still alive though.

@@TheDirtysouthfanif that is doomrider, he must have gotten seriously demoted. Whats just a guy. Doomrider looks completely different

@@TheDirtysouthfanThough, doomrider is a daemon prince, so I don't think it would be much of a stretch for him to just come back. Hell, they could go even more fun with it and give him a flaming skull for a new head if they wanted to be extra weird with it

​@@TheDirtysouthfanthey should do a headless motorcycle rider, then. Give him a ghostly flame head and say his body is looking for him. Now 40k gets both a headless horseman AND doomrider, in a single package!

3% not cleaning up after his disc, not his dog.

@@nerag7459 suprisingly he does clean up after the disc, he’s militaristic about it. But his Yorkshire Terrier “Pinkie”, no matter how many signs they put up in the neighbourhood still does it’s business freely and he won’t pick it up. Residents have commented that the dog mess does look a bit… dry and slightly dusty.

@@GeorgeTGF You can't raise discs and dogs together. Well ok you can but not for very long.

His dog is also a hound of Tindalos.

@@nerag7459 i agree, discs are a natural prey for Yorkshire Terriers.

And it was a toss up between this and Necrons 3rd edition for the best 3rd edition book.

​@@forthrightgambitia1032 yeah. Necron book was a good 'un. I think I prefer them as the unknowable cosmic horror than their current iteration, but do understand that that niche is already filled by the 'nids (who do it better tbh). 3rd ed was fucking great. GW as a whole was during that period. 6th edition fantasy, Epic Armageddon, Warmaster, Gorkamorka, BFG, Mordheim, Inquisitor...what a fucking TIME.

That book hit so hard that Chaos Marines are still nurfed twenty odd years later.

I hated the 3,5 codex so much, it was leagues better than the marine codex. It felt so unfair that they were so much better at literally everything.

@@joostcbruikman933 I mean, they do have more experience 🤷‍♂️

I know right? We need more people in the community like these two.

This is all kinda why I got into Heresy

Yeah, I really miss when 40k was a creative game where you were encouraged to make something unique. HH still has a bunch of wargear customabillity, but they lack the fun madness of early to middle 40k editions

Yeah I miss the three wargear cards or 100 points of wargear that you got to give every character in earlier editions.

Ah nice, I didn't catch that. Now I'm really kicking myself for cutting an observation about how the quote mirrors the imperium's ethos hah

Note how the Chaos quote refers to pure might makes right, so to the Nazi ideology of social Darwinism, the Imperial quote refers to strength of will/faith. Chaos wants to turn the world into a nightmarish place where competition for survival and power reaches it's most vilest forms while the Imperium is trying to preserve the structure that prevents it. It's clearly seen in the contrast between "cry out against fate" vs. "make their own fate". In the Imperial version you don't need to actually be strong enough to defeat Chaos Space Marines and similar, you merely need to be opposed to them. This includes getting martyred.

ah 1:58 yeah, both the Imperials and their Chaotic Shadow seem to like using the weak as fuel.

Praise be!

Not really though. The lost Primarchs could have beem erased because their betrayal was not so massive and its impact not so lasting as the Heresy. I mean, even if they could erase all the records of it (which, without the Emperor and Malcador might have been impossible) but doing so would be a very stupid idea given that the traitors in good part were still very much alive.

I look forward to seeing the lost Primearch’s return… and hope both women do well… oooohhhhh

The original 1989 Space Marine rulebook stated that 3 chapters (it predated the common terminology of calling the first founding legions rather than chapters) were wiped out at the Drop Site Massacre and purged from Imperial records, it's the earliest example I know of of something that could have evolved into the two lost legions of today. The same rulebook identified 17 of the 18 first founding chapters/legions we know today as having fought in the Heresy (the Raven Guard are not mentioned), which seems to match up with the 3 chapters lost at the drop site massacre not having fought in the rest of the Heresy - i.e. at this point neither the Salamanders nor the Iron Hands were amongst those destroyed chapters.

Yeah, the impression I get is that the Imperium was able to eradicate 2nd and 11th and successfully condemn them to damnatio memoriae because they both "rebelled" individually - they could just sic Space Wolves on them, absorb any holdovers into Ultramarines, organize a records purge and some mindwipings, and call it a day. During Heresy we saw multiple Legions betray the Imperium at once, Chaos got involved and disrupted both the information flow and space transit, and in the aftermath of the conflict Malcador was dead-dead, Emperor was effectively dead, survivors on both sides were scattered, and any attempt the Imperium has made to erase or seal away the records about Traitor Legions were nullified by their re-emergence about 1000 years after the Heresy anyway.

it could also be interpreted as the massive propaganda/info control the Imperium had during these years several times throughout the book series we saw how they were able to completely wipe the record on things, from civilizations, full species (like the Rangdan) and such furthermore the Imperium created this mentality of both Primarch and Legion infallibility, this the idea Primarchs had fights was sidestepped with honor duels and two full legions could be erased with relative impunity, I mean they erased 20 thunder warrior legions before, they did it again

Paul Sawyer/Fat Bloke did that with his Chaos Knights and Chariots during 6th edition Fantasy.

And overdue (Black) Library fines

@@TheMagicalPinata ahh of course!

Hey now, loyalist, that was a super soaker!

@@justwannabehappy6735 I thought I was the only one! I hated how the real life authors seemed to have eaten up in universe Imperial Propaganda. If the Emperor actually is as powerful as his followers believe, possibly moreso, then the setting is less interesting. The Emperor is turned into a Batman-like caricature. He knows everything, he's planned everything in advance and he's super powerful. Even in 40k they started doing this. It used to be a fun mystery of the lore over whether the Emperor was alive or not, and it seemed like it's possible if not likely that he was in fact dead. Now they basically confirmed he's not only alive, but he's talking with the Custodes and Gulliman, and he's able to project himself across the universe. Gulliman remarks he's even more powerful than ever. I also greatly dislike the almost petty reasons the Legions turn traitor. The Iron Warriors betray the Emperor because they felt disrespected and didn't get enough credit? The World Eaters because their Primarch didn't get to die fighting? The only one which seemed justified was Lorgar and the Word Bearers, but in a universe with pretty serious politics these guys just seem to be motivated by petty feuds. In the end I don't blame them, because this is what the 40k fanbase seems to want and the books get eaten up, but I just wish it still had the mysterious 1984 feel back in the 3rd-4th where things were purposefully vague or hidden.

Metal lath in the trade. Sounds stupid I know... Isn't fun to work with either.

Because he hasn't been in the Imperium for most of 10K years to pay his taxes.

It was a time of "fun over functionality" mindset at GW. Wish they would bring back some of that zaniness back to 40k now with their current ( and exceptional) rules writers.

@@Yurt_enthusiast7 Absolutely!!! Every game was fun above all else back then and every army felt very unique 😊 Even if you got your butt handed to you, there were usually a bunch of funny or memorable moments 😊 Nowadays, the game just feels very bland and boring (I.e. you play all shooting armies the same way and you always just take the best units rather than the coolest ones) 🥱

@bear4278 Yeah totally! The unpredictability of earlier 40k made for more rememberable games.

Snowflame and Doom Rider, best of friends.