One could define Crispin Glover's hair as cinematic.

Crispin sounds like a really interesting guy, would like to see him in more films.

One of the most underrated actors.

All these comments and no one is addressing the one notable thing. Crispin Glover is the most well dressed person to have entered this room since the shows inception.

I remember when we wanted him as the Joker before Leto was cast.

This guy has aged well.

I think that Crispin is one of the most brilliant and yet over-looked actors of our time.

This Dude looks great for 55, He is the same age as Nicolas Cage and Russell Crowe and unfortunately the years haven't been as kind to them

Crispin Glover still has the sweetest dance moves in the Friday 13th series.

Glover is absolutely correct. He’s calling out the entertainment industrial complex while and moreover the military industrial complex and he did this while sitting down with Collider. Good look

Imagine if Crispin got that Joker role and killed and he got nominated or won the Oscar. His career would’ve been shot up through the roof.

Best answer ive seen someone give on this topic as well as he’s actually correct

Lol. Martin Scorsese masterclass as an ad to start this off

Glover is too interesting for collider.

Crispin is such an interesting person and artist

Funny that he mentions Joker. Scorsese was attached to produce that movie in the very early stages of development.

He’ll always be Marty McFly’s dad to me.

Honestly, he put it very well. A cinephile would genuinely 'get' what Scorsese meant when he said these are not cinema. He wasn't putting down marvel movies, but the look and feel of not only marvel movies but also DC movies lately have been fairly 'plastic'. One needs a certain time period to recover from an epic experience . Harry Potter became mythical and so did star wars and Jurassic park because they were a few movies spaced out over a couple of decades. Scorsese criticized the kind of movies this system of movie diarrhea produced when they release 25 movies in 10 years. Imagine how it would've been if Marvel was made with great cinematographers and meticulously built practical sets, shot on imax or 70mm and condensed into 5 movies primarily covering Tony, Steve, Thor and Black Widow. You wouldn't have needed 20 movies to set up Thanos. An example within Disney itself is Pixar. Since they are not allotted even 10% of what Marvel are, the entire Pixar group focuses on making ONE movie. And thats why every single pixar movie is 10 times greater in terms of story than the marvel ones. Theres a reason why Tarantino hasn't made 25 films in his career. Look at how they are killing star wars by making a movie every year. Theres no patience. I'm sure if you ask Marty specifically he would definitely consider movies like Dark Knight as pure cinema.Screw me but I honestly get what he's saying. Everyone these days just take these opinions personally before giving any thought but this guy made Taxi Driver. And that's why I will respect his opinion and at least give it a thought

Would totally love him as Joker.

We need more Crispin in films

He didnt dismiss superhero genre, just marvel movies.

Man this is really getting milked to hell. It’s not that serious that we need to get everyone’s take.

Him as The Two-Face and Neil Patrick Harris as The Riddler is a dream!

Crispin Glover would be a perfect Riddler.

CRISPIN GLOVER IS THE MAN!

No, Scorsese didn't imply propaganda. He literally meant what he said. Those movies have nothing to do with the art of cinema. The camera has no purpose, there is no mise-en-scène, no composition, the cinematography is awful, the editing is bad. None of the tools of cinema are used to tell the story in an interesting visual way. And the fact that nobody understands what Scorsese said is indicative of the lack of knowledge from people of how cinema distinguishes itself from other art forms, which it's ok if you don't, you're not stupid because of that. But you can't deny that Scorsese's statement is objectively true. Imagine comparing Edgar Allan Poe to the chick who wrote Twilight. Nobody has a problem admitting Twilight is bad, but how many understand why? How many understand it is bad not because of its subject matter (a gothic romance) but because it's badly written? And it's not impossible to make a good movie from a superhero comic-book. Example: Sam Raimi's Spiderman 2, in which each scene has more hearth and cinematic ideas than any movie in the MCU. And I have never read a superhero comic book, but I'm pretty sure they're way more cinematic than the MCU movies.

Crispin is VERY careful about how he words things. He knows the industry too well. Obviously. But man when people talk like he does, the public calls them "conspiracy theorists"

Wow. Well said Crispin Glover. I will definitely buy his book when it comes out.

Scorsese is a Mozart or Beethoven of cinema. Yes, I put him on that level. Cinema moves him in his soul. He would say Nicki Minaj or Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus is not music. Martin is on another level with his craft.

Very intelligent interesting guy who got black listed to a point and we got to miss out on a lot more he could have done.

All Crispin had to say was, for just 1 example of the 20 odd marvel movies, captain marvel was bankrolled by the air force, a division of our military that sees 45% of female enlistees sexually assaulted during their service, and due to that among other things, is seeing lower enlistment numbers. When these movies are bankrolled by our defense department, they're literal propaganda if not overt. And in the case of captain marvel when they brought out like, a schoolbus full of female airforce officers at the premiere, it is overt. Interested to read Crispin's book.

Him and David Lynch need go off and do their movie together! He was great in wild at heart

Less is more . We appreciate actors like Crispin because they pick and choose carefully. He has a lot of pedigree and integrity as an actor . If your a true film enthusiast you respect that . I’m glad he isn’t all over the place because that would be boring . It’s way more fun to find out a great actor Is in something you didn’t expect .

I would really love to see what Crispin would do with the Riddler as opposed to Jim Carrey's over the top buffoonery.

Crispin Glover is delightfully strange. It’s good to see him 😊 .

I think Marvel balance the tone pretty well. And don't worry if you don't like them, majority of human beings like them and they are cinema.

Spoken eloquently by Crispin. Better than what Marty said.

Crispin still has a great head of hair. Def an interesting guy & a pretty cool career. I wish he did bttf 2 b4 he said no & they chopped his role to bits. Glad he won that lawsuit too bc that is creepy af they put basically his face on another actor. A lot of shady stuff by gale & zemeckis like I believe they hired stoltz just to kill time til they could get first choice fox ( which tg they did bc fox is Marty. ) stoltz gave 1 interview in 94 saying he was told to play it serious & they only did one take on anything close up on him. If that's true thats dirty pool. Its sandbagging bc then they went to the producers & said " look hes not getting the laughs " if they told him to be serious then that is so messed up. Stolz claimed he would have played it funnier. Also I think they got turned off when they did the read through & the cast was asked what did they think. Stolz said " I think it's a tragedy. Marty has different memories then his entire family. " I never thought about it that way. I guess I just cant take it too seriously or not a lot would fit. His parents were wealthier so would they really live in the same house albeit much nicer inside if George was so much confident & successful. Also would the older kids still live home since they also were more successful. Dave went from working at a macdonalds to an office wearing a buisness suit. Would biff really be working for George after he bullied him for years & tried to assault Lorraine?? I know it was the end & they had to wrap it up & wanted to show everyone at once in a scene to show how different Marty's parents & older siblings were bc of George & Lorraine being totally more confident happy & in love people. Also I always had the impression Marty found doc maybe to work for him & looked to spend more time w/ doc than his dad or older brother bc they were kinda losers.

Just realised no one's ever worn a suit before

Captain America the winter solider could be used to argue against this point With the exposure of the dangers of the surveillance state

I could see Crispin Glover as Arthur Fleck in an alternate universe.

To define comics by just their creation period (pushed love for country), is to ignore the silver (pushed science) and bronze (pushed diversity) ages of comics. (Pushed is a strong word, more like, weaved the lesson into the story, like any good parable.)

While I don’t necessarily agree with Scorsese ( whom I adore by the way ) We don’t have to get worked up about everything, and some things really, truly, are not that important. Sometimes it’s okay to not have an opinion, or to let others have a different opinion. There are far important things worth fighting for, and then there are what movies other people like and how that doesn’t affect you

Under a minute into this clip and I have a feeling I’ll have no idea where he’s going to go with this ...

Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne etc. Many of the iconic heros have great emotional stories that these snobs just dismiss

Looks like Cris stopped aging when he hit about 38 years old or so

Lol that line about corporate entertainment media went right over Collider heads

Then why doesn't Scorsese do a noir superhero movie, for whatever company, add his own personal touch Personally I'd love to see what he could do with Question

I see Crispin, I click. Crispin writes a book? I'll buy! 🙂🤩

I love the thoughtful and truthful comments that "comic Book " movies are extruded propaganda that make Americans feel like we are righteous and justified police force in the world. They aren't a character study, necessarily, just feel-good propaganda. I don't understand some of the extruded animosity towards Crispen other than he stood up and fought for his reputation and speaks to the truth about certain aspects of Hollywood. Sorry it took so long to find this, but this is a great interview with a very interesting and smart guy.

The mcu movies didn’t just base themselves off of characters and story’s that came from comics but the whole comic structure. Each movie is an issue of a comic and those issues lead to crossover events like avengers and infinity war. Some people may call them lazy or repetitive but each movie is needed to build that comic feeling. At the end of the day that was the goal of the mcu to make movies like comics not to just make comic book movies and clearly it’s resonated with comic fans and a larger audience so I think they did their job. Yes it’s a new way of storytelling and older people might see it as lesser quality to what came before but it isn’t worse just different and I don’t think being different classifies something as “not cinema” or art.

Did he piss off hollywood or something he is a great actor that never got the roles even ones he was perfect for

Has he even seen Winter Soldier or Civil War? Or The Incredible Hulk or Ant-Man or.... ? These are not movies about reinforcing the police state.

Films don’t need to be weird character studies to be quality. Entertainment can still be entertainment and it comes across as snobby elitism.

Broader audience doesn't care about artistic way of movies, the movie should be relatable (character and emotion wise) / should have typical moral values, as we see Kubrick's movies aren't the highest grossing but Marvel's are. Because they appel to much larger audience and do what it IS MADE to do, which is ENTERAIN THE BROADER AUDIENCE, i love Scorsese and marvel btw, the mistack is to compare those two, it's just like comparing DC and Marvel some people relate to something some doesn't, doesn't necessarily mean others are idiots. In Scorsese's way Marvel may not be that enjoyable and that's quiet alright but that doesn't mean Marvel is bad or for that matter any comic book movies are. Peace

Crispin Glover isn't wrong about Marvel movies being propaganda. In 2017 The Independent published an article on this. "It is a matter of public record that the Pentagon has had an entertainment liaison office since 1948. The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) established a similar position in 1996. Although it was known that they sometimes request script changes in exchange for advice, permission to use locations, and equipment such as aircraft carriers, each appeared to have passive, and largely apolitical roles. Files we obtained, mainly through the US Freedom of Information Act, show that between 1911 and 2017, more than 800 feature films received support from the US Government’s Department of Defence (DoD), a significantly higher figure than previous estimates indicate. These included blockbuster franchises such as Transformers, Iron Man, and The Terminator......When the CIA established an entertainment liaison office in 1996, it made up for lost time, most emphatically on the Al Pacino film The Recruit and the Osama bin Laden assassination movie Zero Dark Thirty. Leaked private memos published by our colleague Tricia Jenkins in 2016, and other memos published in 2013 by the mainstream media, indicate that each of these productions was heavily influenced by government officials."

Martin Scorsese didn't say comic book movies aren't actually cinema. He said he can't see MARVEL movies as cinema. He probably hasn't the same opinion on comic book adaptations in general, it's just the way Marvel does movies. And he doesn't even say they are bad, he just said they aren't cinema.

Scorsese was talking specifically about MARVEL movies, particularly the Avengers movies. The dumb host said "comic book movies", but I doubt that Scorsese would feel that way about Chris Nolan's Batman films And it's obvious the hosts wanted Crispin to disagree with Scorsese based on the wording of the initial question and the meathead guy trying to lead Glover in saying "it's IN a cinema, so it is cinema" even though that is obviously not what Scorsese meant. But I'm glad that Glover not only agrees with Scorsese but goes further and calls those movies propaganda

Mr. Crispin Glover, lots of respect from Russia, you are one of the great thinkers of our time ! glad you speak the truth while outspoken !

Very wise words 2:54 thank you Crispin Glover.

Wow, he looks amazing.

I have always thought Crispin Glover would make a great Joker on film.

If Phoenix doesn't win Best Actor across the board, the awards process itself is rigged. He's absolutely brilliant. That said, am I wrong to think Crispin Glover wouldn't have been a bad choice for the role?? He's JUST the type of actor to disappear into The Joker character.

This guy needs to be in a Christopher Nolan film. Perfect match

I think the issue is with manufactured movies like Marvel vs crafted movies.

I always wanted Crispin to be the Joker.

Audio quality on point. Those mics are F-ING GREAT.

Wow!! This is the 1st time I've ever heard someone have the same opinion on superhero movies as me!

It takes some balls to say what he said. Honesty is so rare nowadays in mainstream medias that you can sometimes hardly recognize it when its shown.

Thing is, I love Marvel films; I'm also uncomfortable with the monopoly Disney are getting over the entertainment industry.

He would be a perfect riddler for any DC movie

I hope when the book comes out Crispin says to his family, "see, when you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything."

Tom Delonge and Crispin Glover could be brothers I swear.

He wants to play joker you can tell and you know what he'd probably kill it

I think the problem is the total lack of interesting scripts in recent years, EVERYONE should be happy that there are good stories to draw from and that in most cases have turned out to be decent movies or at least fun to watch. Many cinemas have also remained open due to this blockbusters receipts. Without open cinemas where you going to project "committed" films?

I'm not a fan of superhero movies, but you have to have true super powers to sit through one of the films he directs himself. I saw the one with the talking snail. He was nice to everyone afterwards and signed autographs.

Crispin "im writing a book" Glover

He's absolutely spot on.

They said the same thing back in the days about Star Wars. Lucas's director friends made funny of him and when it was a success they were so critical about the doors that kind of movie opened for cinema.They hate any kind of movie like that.They believe that's only one way to make movies

I think Joaquin channelled his inner Crispin for the Joker. I can see Crispin playing this role the same exact way.

Idk, while comics were definitely used as propaganda, I dont agree that their sole purpose is to comfort children during wartime. The industry has changed and grown and so have the characters. Saying Superman can only be used to tell stories relevant to children in the 30s and 40s kind of ignores decades of industry and character progress. It's all the generalizations that irritate, honestly. You would never hear "science fiction isn't real literature" though I've certainly heard that said about comic books, mostly from people who never read them.

I hear & mostly agree with everything he is suggesting her. It should also be noted though that occasionally they do to a degree actually address this type of concern within some plots in the MCU itself, although rare & mostly unnoticed. Most glaring example being the idea of the Military Industrial Complex being co-opted by special interest groups in Civil War.

I've been saying this for years, these characters were created for little boys. They were never meant to be deep character studies.

I think we can agree the biggest marvel here is Crispin's intelligence in giving his thoughts. 😊

Layne from River's Edge.

Marvel movies are cinema the same way NSYNC is music... corporate, extremely safe & non thought provoking.

Yup! Crispin’s right on. Everything he’s talking about is straight out of Horkheimer and Adorno’s essay “The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception”

"Cinema" is like "literature". All written works are literature, all filmed works are cinema. But when something's elevated, and of a higher quality, it's "literature" or "cinema".

I feel comic books sometimes go deeper into the characters than real life stories do.

He didn't say "comic book movies." He said Marvel movies. Big difference there.

He's right about the propaganda of Marvel's films. However, it's not quite the way some people may think it is. For instance, while the earlier comic books they reference justified war and were pro-America propaganda, a lot of the films today are more oriented around Liberal propaganda. However, one movie I wish they would have referenced, which kind of subverts a lot of typical propaganda standards is The Winter Soldier, and to a somewhat lesser extent Civil War. I wish they would have asked Glover what he thought of those films, because Winter Soldier was ultimately a critique on Orwellian-style surveillance turned on its head (and literally used to kill select people) while Civil War deconstructed the necessities of State-controlled super entities. Not saying that either movie was a masterpiece, but they definitely touched on some interesting concepts regarding the gray-area morality of the industrial military/surveillance complex and how it can/is used to undermine the safety of citizens.

Dead on. All the MCU movies are just propaganda and not art. They are not real films.

Crispin Glover is a legend

Idk why ppl tripping its truue what he said ... he didnt say they arent enjoyable movies thoo .but to the artist like himself its more of a movie made by a corporation than maybe an artistic vision

I believe the new joker was based on crispen glovers appearances on letterman.

_I like how she made the question relevant..._

The people who don’t think comic books aren’t thoughtful haven’t seen them or don’t see the right ones. Logan, X-men 1 & 2, infinity war and endgame, the winter soldier, guardians 1 and 2, black panther, etc. how are these films considered propaganda and not films like back to the future, which he starred in? Unfair statement from someone who probably has only seen a couple, of any, comic book films.

Just because something makes a truck load of money doesn't necessarily mean it's just straight propaganda

0:24 I can't find reference to this book and I would love to read it.

He`s 100% on point.. today MarvelStudios and some of the biggest gaming companies work hand in hand with the military industrial complex