Until people learn the bowser match up then it'll be boring

@@cibrinyark339 shut up

@@cibrinyark339 He's been playing Bowser since the beginning and boxing it out against top 10 players using top tiers...

@@cibrinyark339 people already know it, not a very complicated character, Leon is just a good player and bowser is just a good character.

He should have been at summit 3 after jumping out a plane but didn't have the resources for the spirit bomb

Major fucking facts ! It’s practically a win in my eyes

Bowser is a crazy good character, especially against people who aren't experienced in the matchup.

Especially against aegis who dumpster him

@@Clarkbardoone mu is actually more doable than most top tiers, he can contest their range quite well

@@greedo194 yeah but disadvantage is miserable vs them, I guess my language was too harsh it’s only like -1 at most. Bowser can beat them in neutral and has a really good advantage vs them considering they are aegis.

He didn't

Didn't he do that to get a footstool setup?

That's like a week one aegis thing bro lmao

@@FlorentChardevel nah, he also did that against Leo couple of times

Actually it's pretty common to see

Loved that

I saw that too, I was like that’s some bull lol

the first grab connected but pyra interrupted it with a move and got throw invulnerability since the grab did connect, that's why the second command grab missed.

He did. Just not against the buster blader

@@flavorflov6519 Can we actually get Buster Blader in smash? Please?

@@DemonEyeHelix Yes! Finally, we would have a true counter to Bowser & Ridley.

@@flavorflov6519 there's plenty of counters to bowser and ridley

@@greedo194 It’s a Yu-Gi-Oh reference.

You’re right pressing jump and up b is insanely difficult

@@themidgarbadass2517 you clearly are ass at the game 😂😂😂

@@themidgarbadass2517 it’s a lot harder when there is a massive dragon turtle trying to stop you

@@Clarkbardoone ok and?

@@themidgarbadass2517 and it’s a lot harder? wdym and?

Mythra is busted. Pyra is too easy to use for the reward. Seriously that down air hit box? JFC. People say Bowser is the no skill character but Aegis has non-committal attacks with 0 end lag and massive hitboxes. It's a joke compared to vanilla characters

Yeah both of those match ups are absolutely insane for any heavy specially bowser. Leon is a monster.

>Heavies >Honourable Pick one

@@ThatSneakman do you even smash bro

@@dnegel9546 Bowser is in the top 20% fastest characters in the game *on top of* being the heaviest. He has arguably the best command grab in the game (top 3 minimum) that does over 20% and can kill most of the roster at 120% from anywhere on stage. He has one of, if not the best up-b out of shield that also does over 20% and can kill at 150%. His neutral-b is insanely good against most characters and safely does 35+% all the time, even at top level play. His ledge trapping is some of the absolute best in the game, and his own recovery is above average, if not really good too boot. His 'tough guy' passive ability entirely nullifies rapid jabs and many other character specific moves, and it makes his smash attacks (especially up-smash and down-smash) wayyyy better than they have any right to be. His forward-air is way too fast for how insanely far ranged it is, and his back-air kills most of the roster at 70% despite being faster than roughly half the back-airs in the game. He doesn't have kill throws on the level of Ness or Lucas, but his back and forward throw both kill drastically earlier than at least 80% of the cast. Literally the *only* thing bowser doesn't have going for him is his disadvantage state. That's literally it. But even then, down-air is incredibly useful in many match-ups, and even when it isn't, a player who slips up _at all_ in the juggle sequence will take a guaranteed 20+% and lose advantage. Bowser is _anything but honest._ A novice player who spends 15 hours to gain competency with Bowser will *destroy* even above average players, even if it's just through abusing up-b out of shield, side-b, and stray aerial hits for the kill. Bowser is the epitome of dishonest.

@@343Filmsthat means his optimal playstyle is to power though moves and punish mistakes, at least its not running away, hiding behind a wall, or retreating to the sky like what most of the meta is right now. That’s what makes him honorable

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Most Cloud mains say worse. Leon was being kind in comparison saying it was even/slight win. Cloud wins neutral, but Bowser destroys him offstage. I would also agree it's even/cloud favour due to the fact that can kill bowser pretty easily offstage himself.

@Connie Ford that’s read dependant, if you are constantly getting ur bairs stuffed by bowser then ur just getting outplayed. It’s on the cloud player to not be predictable with bair timing. Notice how Sparg0 hit him with a million bairs this set. Also about the flame breath I mean cool that’s not something to make or break a matchup. If bowser is far enough away that he can’t be punished that also means that cloud isn’t in that much danger to begin with. The bulk of flame breath damage comes from being up close.

I'll tell you why. It's because that's his opinion, you just happened to have a different one from him. Your matchup view is just different from his. Here's the crazy part though, both of his and your opinions/view are completely fine.

My guy both spargo and leon agree that the matchup is bowser favored. Look at both their matchup charts and they both put bowser at winning.

Yeah only reason I see it as even is because bowser has the weight advantage and enough mix ups. A good cloud player should be able to space properly and take advantage of bowser disadvantage. The good thing is he can't kill bowser with a throw but it can lead to advantage for cloud. When it comes to matchup charts I don't think these guys play enough people who are good with the character. In most cases 1 really good thing can win a matchup because it's all about stage control and getting early kills in this game

I didn't catch it before you pointed out, low key jab for sure. lol

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Especially against bowser, that matchup is hard af for the bowser and a snooze fest for the aegis.

The answer might be parrying, but that shi is hard

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Bowser does imo. This is more of a Spargo thing hes just a beast.

And at summit they were playing side by side, no masks for most of it

He did up B out of shield while ledge trapping tho.

U can't say he's predictable then say he needs to do the most predictable thing out of shield lmfao

Up b out of shield is just good lol, it's not inherently predictable idk why you'd try and refute him by saying that

He did actually use UP b oos btw

@@lokks2130 it is predictable what other move do u expect a bowser to use out of shield? Maybe if he down b outta shield ill see the unpredictability but everyone is expecting a bowser to up b outta shield