Collocations And Phrasal Verbs as Language Hacks

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Steve Kaufmann - lingosteve

Steve Kaufmann - lingosteve

8 жыл бұрын

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Transcript: Hi, there, Steve Kaufmann here, talking again about language learning. Today, I’m going to talk about collocations, phrasal verbs and other so-called language hacks. Before I do that, I should say if you like hearing me talk about language learning, if you have some requests -- there was a request for me to do a video Chinese and I may just do that -- let me know what you’d like to hear. Also, subscribe if you like the channel and come and visit us at LingQ. I should also point out that I have started a separate channel here at KZfaq where I do my political rants and I’ll leave a link in the description box.
For people who study English, there are books on collocations and phrasal verbs. I have them. I didn’t bring it here to show you, but I looked through it and the idea is presented by language teachers that somehow if we focus on collocations. There are many websites that tell teachers how to teach collocations and the same is true with phrasal verbs, get in, get off, get it. There are books with lists of these phrasal verbs and the idea is that somehow there is a special phenomenon called collocations or phrasal verbs and if you somehow master these then you’re English will improve. I don’t believe it.
It’s one thing to focus on something that performs a particular function in a language like so-called modal verbs, would, could, should, might. Yes, it’s a good idea to study those in some kind of concentrated form so you get a sense of the pattern of how those are used. In romance languages it’s a good idea to concentrate, at times, on the subjective or in Slavic languages on verbs of motion because those are specific functional patterns, very defined. Collocations, which means, by the way, words that are normally used together or phrasal verbs, which is a form of collocation because certain verbs are used with certain prepositions and they have a certain specific meaning.
These are potentially endless and I don’t think if you read a book of collocations or a book of phrasal verbs that you will retain much. Rather, it’s a matter of paying attention when you are listening, reading and getting used to hearing certain words used with other words. Of course if you’re on LingQ you save phrases that you think are useful to you and many of these phrases will be collocations, words that are normally used together.
In fact, at LingQ if you save a word you will see a number of phrases that other LingQ members have saved and some of those might be useful phrases for you to save. As you save these phrases, maybe review them in flashcards and notice them in different contexts when reading or listening, you’ll start to have these chunks that you can use. These chunks may well be what some of the language teachers would call collocations or phrasal verbs, but really there’s no shortcut, there is no hack. In order to use to using these phrases effectively, you simply have to do a lot of listening and reading.
So that’s my take on collocations, phrasal verbs and other language hacks. Thanks for listening, bye for use.

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@cophnia61
@cophnia61 8 жыл бұрын
I would like to hear you opinion about listening and the role it plays in production. As my main form of input is reading, I've neglected listening for a long time and now that I'm more committed to listening I feel that it doesn't only improve my ability to understand the spoken word (which is obvious), but it is the thing that plays the bigger role in our ability to turn our knowledge from passive to active. Because our brain doesn't think in fonts and written characters. Our inner thinking is more similar to an inner voice, and even when we think about what we want to say, we first think it as if we were speaking to ourselves (obviously the more we are fluent, the more immediate and subconscious it is). While if all we do is reading, our mind tends to gliss over details like patterns and collocations, and it tends to pay attention to the main "keywords". If I read "LO ZUCCHERO E' BUONO MA I DOLCI SONO DANNOSI PER LA SALUTE", and after a while I try to remember how to say something similar, my brain will recollect something like "ZUCCHERO BUONO DOLCI DANNOSI SALUTE" so I will have a hard time to remember if it is said as "LO ZUCCHERO" vs "IL ZUCCHERO", or "PER LA SALUTE" vs "ALLA SALUTE". Or even to remember what conjugation to use, so it's common to say "ESSERE BUONO" o "ERA BUONO". Or the exact word order. While if I listen to the same sentence, my brain will pay attention to the overall sound of the sentence as an unique thing and if we try to say it wrong, we will feel there is something odd because it doesn't sound right (even if we don't know why). Another example could be the "s" of the third person singular. If all we do is reading our brain will simply ignore that little particular, but if we listen a lot "she says, she eats, she goes" and so on, our brain absorbs the sound as a whole, similarly to what happens when we listen to songs in languages we don't know, but someway we are able to sing it from memory. Also about the Japanese language, as it's way less phonetical than other scripts, I have an hard time remembering if "大佐" is "たいさ" or "だいさ". So even there, listening helps make the right pronounciation stick. Also about shadowing, I know you find it boring eheheh but do you think it helps in this respect? The more you shadow, the more you're able to recall words and phrases when you want to speak, opposed to simply listening without shadowing? SORRY for the long question!
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 8 жыл бұрын
+pink ribbon I spend more time listening than anything else. It is the easiest to organize, any time anywhere. I try to listen to content where I have access to the transcript, at least until I am fairly advanced in the language, by which time my listening activities and reading activities become more independent of each other. Listening is key to getting to speaking, just as reading is key for vocabulary acquisition. Cheers.
@TheHartleydog
@TheHartleydog 8 жыл бұрын
without watching the video I'm going to guess that nothing is as good as the program you sell in every video.
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 8 жыл бұрын
+RD Cain You watch every video? Why?
@Fendy1
@Fendy1 8 жыл бұрын
I agree that language learners need to do large amounts of reading and listening. However, I have recently understood that the study of vocabulary should be done using direct instructional methods (ie. underlining (active noticing), recording, reviewing, applying vocabulary in a range of context, and reviewing that vocabulary with some frequency) as opposed to indirect methods (ie. through reading and listening) which do not help L2 language learners to develop their vocabulary as it would do for advanced L1 readers.
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 8 жыл бұрын
+Fendy1 A lot of people I know would not agree with you. Reading and listening definitely helps to acquire vocabulary. Of course underlying, noticing, saving as we do in LingQ , this makes the reading and listening even more powerful.
@betavulgaris7888
@betavulgaris7888 8 жыл бұрын
+Fendy1 According to my stats, i have uploaded a total of more than 500 articles of varying length into my reading platform, and have given definitions to 17674 unique words. Out of those, i currently have 5532 words that i KNOW - ie, i look at the word and instantly know exactly what it means depending on the context. I am able to read and get the main message of any piece of French writing within reason. I have never done anything except look up words in an online dictionary and read/listen. No writing, no physical underlining, no spaced repetition, no flashcards, no reviewing, no speaking, no nothing. And despite all this, if someone speaks to me when i'm in France i can piece together what i know to form simple sentences which are understood. If someone asks you what you think the phrase 'je pense que' just comes out because you've seen it so so so so many times (because pense and que are basically fused together) that it just happens. Please explain this.
@Fendy1
@Fendy1 8 жыл бұрын
+Beta Vulgaris (A View From Europe) Thanks for that information - that is very good first-hand evidence to show that it does work. There is a lot of research out there that points to reading being useful for vocabulary learning, however this is only in the context of talking about native speakers - as they benefit from extensive reading (unlike L2 learners). As L2 learners are said to not have the necessary skills to infer (guess correctly) to build vocabulary effectively, researchers say that direct instruction of vocabulary is required. However, maybe it is the case that you are doing something extra with the words that you need to learn (ie. record and look up the definition - so no guessing happens) which is the key. There definitely needs to be more supporting academic research on this style of learning for L2 learners.
@betavulgaris7888
@betavulgaris7888 8 жыл бұрын
Fendy1 I disagree. Research is pretty much worthless because there are so many conflicting theories and methods of learning a language out there that when it comes to practical application these studies are fairly redundant. The academics will spend their time postulating while people will be out there actually doing it, and doing it their way, and succeeding.
@ThatCreepypastaGuy
@ThatCreepypastaGuy 8 жыл бұрын
i use lingq and i love it, i would love too see you try a video in italian :)
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 8 жыл бұрын
+That Creepypasta Guy Here is one from a few years ago. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n5aKpcqYmZO9XWg.html&lc=z12keft5fl3txp3f223pjn0zcv2eursgv04
@ThatCreepypastaGuy
@ThatCreepypastaGuy 8 жыл бұрын
cheers steve!
@JoaoLucas-lh7gb
@JoaoLucas-lh7gb 8 жыл бұрын
Phrasal Verbs é muito eficiente. Eu uso para aprender inglês.
@RicardoLuizSousadaSilva
@RicardoLuizSousadaSilva 8 жыл бұрын
Your point of view about collocation, chunks and Phrasel Verbs was shocked me. In my Researches, says this is the best way to learn. Now I don't know what I have to do.
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 8 жыл бұрын
+Ricardo Luiz Sousa da Silva Just pay attention to phrases, underline them, save them if on LingQ and above all read and listen a lot.
@yasashiiyuuyake
@yasashiiyuuyake 8 жыл бұрын
+Ricardo Luiz Sousa da Silva I think he had a good point, though; there will be more and more collocations than it is useful to sit down and study. You'll learn a lot of collocations just by engaging with the language more, and you can study them as you come across them.
@lauratrujillo4501
@lauratrujillo4501 8 жыл бұрын
Teacher, I'm a 5th year English Language student and something I haven't been able to master is the difference between Collocations and Phrasal Verbs, more specifically: Are Phrasal Verbs considered a type of Collocation? I haven't fully understood this topic and is not very clear for me if PV belong to Collocations? It would be very usefull for me, thanks beforehand!
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 8 жыл бұрын
I don't think it matters at all. Just learns the words and phrases you need. These grammatical terms are not important.
@ryancovers1241
@ryancovers1241 8 жыл бұрын
Request / question - Hi Steve! My name is Ryan, I'm a university student from the United States and I recently got an accepted into a summer internship program in Mexico (ITESM). I've been studying Spanish for 5 years now and would consider myself at a B2 level despite ever having been to a Spanish speaking country. My goal is to get to a C level by the time I'm done with my 6 week internship. So to my questions: Do you have any advice for learning a language in another country? How do I get over the embarrassment of speaking poorly? Any language specific advice? And anything you wish to add... any help would be appreciated!
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 8 жыл бұрын
+Ryan Covers (Magnusson) Continue doing lots of reading and listening to increase your vocabulary, but mostly take every opportunity to speak without worrying about how you sound or the initial problems of comprehension when you get there. The more you speak, the less you worry, better you will do and the more you will improve.
@alex_smith123
@alex_smith123 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, what's your view on the Glossika course?
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 8 жыл бұрын
+Alex Smith I really have no experience with it.
@AlexHarris1094
@AlexHarris1094 8 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video in Cantonese, Steve!
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 8 жыл бұрын
+AlexHarris1094 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hsejeNdmzNvdlZs.html
@TheChrisavery
@TheChrisavery 6 жыл бұрын
I agree totally as learning language from lists is very unnatural.Context is key. An example is the name Andy by itself is so unspecific that it is meaningless, yet if I was at Wimbledon and I said to my friend "Hey look, there's Andy" then I would assume that it is Andrew Murray from Dunblane Scotland who is an Olympic gold medallist. Collocations and phrasal verbs will naturally be picked up with massive input.
@kevinbonilla5680
@kevinbonilla5680 8 жыл бұрын
Korean would be nice to listen to :D
@hmmmhmmm6917
@hmmmhmmm6917 8 жыл бұрын
SHIBAL! ANI NEAGA GOJARANI!
@joepiekl
@joepiekl 8 жыл бұрын
This video is just a strawman of teaching collocations. When did anyone ever say that it was a language hack or some sort of shortcut to learning a language? They are part of the language, so they need to be covered, just like anything else. At its most basic level, it's just teaching "take a shower" or "have a shower" instead of "do a shower" or "go a shower." It's important to teach them as they come up. And saying that we shouldn't teach phrasal verbs is like saying we shouldn't teach adverbs. You're basically advocating ignoring an entire section of vocabulary and hoping the students will figure it out for themselves.
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 8 жыл бұрын
+Joe P Exactly. It is not necessary to teach collocations or phrasal verbs. If the learners read enough and listen enough and pay attention to phrases that they like, underline, or save them if working on an appropriate online platform, they will learn naturally which words naturally go with which other words. Nothing there that is teachable in my view.
@joepiekl
@joepiekl 8 жыл бұрын
+Steve Kaufmann - lingosteve It's a teachable as any other vocabulary. It seems like you're claiming that vocabulary in general isn't teachable.
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 8 жыл бұрын
+Joe P Agreed, not teachable, just learnable with enough input and use.
@joepiekl
@joepiekl 8 жыл бұрын
So as long as the lesson has plenty of input and use, the students will learn it. How is that not teaching?
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