Colonizing Planetary Rings

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Isaac Arthur

Isaac Arthur

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Saturn's Moon Titan captures our attention as a future colony, but might the majestic rings of Saturn and other planetary rings be better places to transplant life, and could life arise naturally among those orbital icefields?
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Colonizing Planetary Rings
Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur
Episode 363, October 6, 2022
Produced & Narrated by Isaac Arthur
Written by:
Isaac Arthur
Editors:
David McFarlane
Cover Art:
Jakub Grygier www.artstation.com/jakub_grygier
Graphics:
Bryan Versteeg
Ian Long LITE
Jeremy Jozwik
Katie Byrne
Udo Schroeter
Music Courtesy of:
Stellardrone, "Red Giant", "Billions and Billions", "Cosmic Sunrise", "The Night Sky in Motion"
Miguel Johnson, "Expedition", "So Many Stars"

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@francoislacombe9071
@francoislacombe9071 Жыл бұрын
There was a weird period of climate cooling on Earth about 35 million years ago. Summer temperatures seemed largely unaffected, but winters were brutally cold, which lowered average temperatures by quite a lot for about 100,000 years. One hypothesis is that Earth had acquired a ring at that time, which cast its shadow on the winter hemisphere and made it a lot colder than than it would otherwise be.
@benjamingibbs2185
@benjamingibbs2185 Жыл бұрын
That's super cool! Do you have any links to related research? Edit: did some Googling but couldn't find anything. Seems probably untrue. Edit 2: there's a paper in nature published in 1980 mentioned in the comments. The author seems credible but the paper isn't cited by any astro reviews and seems much more like a casual hypothesis than a serious investigation. I'm not convinced, but def look up the paper and make up your own mind.
@guillermoelnino
@guillermoelnino Жыл бұрын
but then those dinosaurs started driving around suvs and ruined everything 🤣
@graydanerasmussen4071
@graydanerasmussen4071 Жыл бұрын
@@guillermoelnino Dinos would have been gone 30 million years by then :) -But, yeah :D
@sebastiennesp1978
@sebastiennesp1978 Жыл бұрын
@@benjamingibbs2185 "Super Cool" Very good!
@CarlosAM1
@CarlosAM1 Жыл бұрын
please give us a link to the source, i'd like to read more
@MrQuantumInc
@MrQuantumInc Жыл бұрын
Now I'm imagining a futuristic environmentalist movement to restore the rings after centuries of over mining.
@johndawson6057
@johndawson6057 Жыл бұрын
This time instead of blue haired white girls, they're just normal blondes/brunettes.
@stand1ngbidness
@stand1ngbidness Жыл бұрын
@@johndawson6057 wait is there a hidden joke in here somewhere?
@scifithoughts3611
@scifithoughts3611 Жыл бұрын
@@stand1ngbidness sounds like a reference to anime where there is at least one girl with blue or green hair. What’s the point beyond that? I don’t know.
@bobwalsh3751
@bobwalsh3751 Жыл бұрын
DO. NOT. GIVE. THEM. IDEAS.
@EnneaIsInterested
@EnneaIsInterested Жыл бұрын
But there's no 'environment' present, environmentalism is about actually living life.
@chancewebster7953
@chancewebster7953 Жыл бұрын
Never really thought of colonizing Saturn's rings before this video
@nsacockroach4099
@nsacockroach4099 Жыл бұрын
There are many things I never thought of before watching this channel. That's what makes it so awesome
@r0cketplumber
@r0cketplumber Жыл бұрын
John Varley wrote "Gotta Sing, Gotta Dance" in 1976, set in the Ophiuchi Hotline universe. It's very, very trippy, but evokes the strangeness of Saturn's rings marvelously.
@JFrazer4303
@JFrazer4303 Жыл бұрын
Nice tasty volatiles are always wanted.
@KlaxontheImpailr
@KlaxontheImpailr Жыл бұрын
Same
@jjsheets330
@jjsheets330 Жыл бұрын
It always fascinates me that between Saturn and Jupiter we could have potentially 150+ habitable bodies between the two. Some day I’d love to see you do a video on this possibility.
@clemlo4973
@clemlo4973 Жыл бұрын
He stated many Time that Jupiter is a Solar système on its own.
@Blowfeld20k
@Blowfeld20k Жыл бұрын
@@clemlo4973 Yeah, but it's a "Solar system on its own" being baked by some of the highest concentrations of ionizing radiation anywhere in the Solar system. Jupiter has a massive and insanely powerful magnetic field which concentrates hard radiation in the region. Look it up, not a good location for a new suburb.
@clemlo4973
@clemlo4973 Жыл бұрын
@@Blowfeld20k You are puting word on my mouth sir
@clemlo4973
@clemlo4973 Жыл бұрын
@@Blowfeld20k and 99.9 of thé Solar système want u dead too. But we step on the Moon, and will do it again.
@jjsheets330
@jjsheets330 Жыл бұрын
@@clemlo4973 Correct and I wouldn’t mind seeing him delve into that part more thoroughly.
@SangoProductions213
@SangoProductions213 Жыл бұрын
Hey Isaac. Just wanted to say, I've been a big fan of yours, even from the days when you were constantly doing the call outs to the closed captions for your speech impediment. Your videos have been such a life saver ever since my tinnitus started getting bad. No one else's videos I could leave going on all night and fall asleep to, to drown out the constant droning of my ears.
@KlaxontheImpailr
@KlaxontheImpailr Жыл бұрын
I know that feeling, mine’s really annoying too. Would be cool if he made a video about cures for Tinnitus or other things like that.
@maskettaman1488
@maskettaman1488 Жыл бұрын
I can't properly articulate how much I enjoy these videos. Half the time (such as with this video) the title alone is enough to get me thinking about something I'd never even considered.. and then the video itself is packed full of ideas and concepts that are just a whole different level of cool and clever.
@brightax7502
@brightax7502 Жыл бұрын
he’s quite underrated, he gives so much information, and it’s not boring like other information, it’s actually entertaining
@antonioyeats2149
@antonioyeats2149 Жыл бұрын
Everything the man says is Sci fi novel gold. If only I was a great writer xD
@bobinthewest8559
@bobinthewest8559 6 ай бұрын
I think Isaac should consider writing his own sci-fi story/novel/movie (whichever art form he resonates with). At the very least, he is an awesome “world builder”.
@michaelpettersson4919
@michaelpettersson4919 Жыл бұрын
It is really amazing how HUGE but still utterly THIN the rings sourronding Saturn are. A thickness in the range if tens of meters.
@futeramonfuturamet4830
@futeramonfuturamet4830 Жыл бұрын
And the individual rocks really aren't large enough for spacestead habitats such as O'Neill cylinders or Stanford toruses. Though it could be possible to combine the boulders into something big enough for such a habitat or two.
@michaelpettersson4919
@michaelpettersson4919 Жыл бұрын
@@futeramonfuturamet4830 Or drag a habitat there. However I want to point to the fact that Saturns have small moons inside the ringbelts clearing a path for themselves causing the formation of the gaps in the rings. I do not know how large they are however but it should not be that hard to look up.
@Dragrath1
@Dragrath1 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelpettersson4919 Its a far late response as this tab got buried but its important to note that Saturn's rings based on the work of the Cassini mission appear to be locked in a natural analog of Kessler syndrome as all the particles are going at high speeds relative to each other in generally chaotic orbits stabilized by impacts and tidal interactions. Those will make colonization efforts within the ring system difficult Saturn's large asteroid sized moons Mimas and or Enceladus probably would be a better bets though as the craters that cover Mimas appear to be surprisingly young you would want to be quite deep if building a base in the ring/moon orbital plane. (In fact due to the lack of evidence for tidal heating like Europa, Enceladus's cryovolcanoes may very well be fueled by a relatively recent past giant impact event. remember the moon only has a mass of 10^19 kg so by mass its on the order of a large asteroid size wise)
@bobinthewest8559
@bobinthewest8559 6 ай бұрын
If living in some habitat, embedded within a small moon (just large enough to protect you from bombardment)… Just imagine what it would be like at the time of a collision. Sure, you might be “safe”… but that doesn’t mean the experience wouldn’t be terrifying, or even somewhat violent.
@smoore6461
@smoore6461 Жыл бұрын
Very glad you did this, but I just wanted to say that Titan is one of my Favorite episode on the channel!! Just wanted to say that when you mentioned regretting not talking about Saturn in general. The Unity episodes are some of yout best work and most engrossing and fascinating episodes IMO which on this channel says a lot about how great they are!!
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA Жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@Nmax
@Nmax Жыл бұрын
I saw my KZfaq this morning and saw this. The view from colonies on planetary rings would be something else. Plus they would be great resource collection hubs.
@DanielGenis5000
@DanielGenis5000 Жыл бұрын
Isaac, you always remind me of the sad truth that I was born too late to explore our planet and too early to discover our greater world. However, we are here at the right time to think about things like this… as long as the coming election turns out right, you know? 😊
@Nmax
@Nmax Жыл бұрын
@@DanielGenis5000 Indeed we are a century too early to see the earnest exploration of our solar system and beyond
@josh214haigh
@josh214haigh Жыл бұрын
Maybe not such a great view as you'd be viewing the rings edge on. You'd probably want a decent angle for spectacular views. I think Isaac Asimov did a short story on such a setting.
@thecrazycapmaster
@thecrazycapmaster Жыл бұрын
I literally JUST opened up KZfaq this morning, “what do I want to wa- oh nice a new SFIA video” 🤣
@MrMatklug
@MrMatklug Жыл бұрын
issac, video idea: colonising the post neptunian dwarf planets, we are discovering new dwarf planets mosty this milenium with a great number of them already, each with the size comparable with a modern nation in size, i can only imagine a future with the kuiper belt full of dwarf-planet-states
@EnneaIsInterested
@EnneaIsInterested Жыл бұрын
Statistically, given planetary formation and the oligarch phase, there should be actual planets out there, too.
@petersmythe6462
@petersmythe6462 Жыл бұрын
I've been wanting this video for 4 years.
@marcsylvestre3637
@marcsylvestre3637 Жыл бұрын
Every episode gives me ideas for a D&D or Traveler campaign.
@theragemachineau3855
@theragemachineau3855 Жыл бұрын
Isaac Arthur, you need to do a collaboration with Astrokobi! his young mind and interest in space and human advancements could definitely appreciate much of what you have to offer knowledge and insight wise! I love watching your videos, and I feel like you have inspired myself to achieve my own goals to be able to chase a career in space, technologies and future advancements. Please don’t ever stop doing what you do! ❤
@cannonfodder4376
@cannonfodder4376 Жыл бұрын
Nothing like a new SFIA video to spice up the week. Informative as always, strange how much Sci-Fi tends to ignore planetary rings despite the many apparent advantages and opportunities they represent.
@playmaka2007
@playmaka2007 Жыл бұрын
With the talk of resource extraction from planets and their rings, I wonder if there will be a future movement to preserve some of our solar system's natural beauty for future people to enjoy, since so many people find Saturn and particularly it's ring system to be so beautiful.
@dansmith1661
@dansmith1661 Жыл бұрын
Until a ton of debris smashes into them and kills them.
@philipmurphy2
@philipmurphy2 Жыл бұрын
Always a great Thursday when Issac uploads a video.
@Nebuheru
@Nebuheru Жыл бұрын
Love your channel. I have to sit back, and get comfortable so that I can focus when watching your videos. They can be a bit much to take in all at once. I look at them as training, for the purpose of expanding your mind and consciousness. PHENOMENAL content👍👍
@brookestephen
@brookestephen Жыл бұрын
why not send beam emitter ships to sit at important waypoints, then send energy to them to be sent between them, like a relay, until all their batteries are full. Then you can receive beamed energy on moving ships at multiple points along their route. These waypoints could also relay communication. A network of energy relay stations!
@Rexotec
@Rexotec 3 ай бұрын
Super interesting - I actually initially began a world-building process that began as life on a bunch of clustered moons around a brown dwarf - the tidal heating and infrared radiation helped to heat everything up until some extremophilic life was hardy enough to survive getting transported across the planetary system, and most of the moons developed full biospheres after a billion years or so. One of my favourite (semi-conspiracy) theories is how the Cambrian Explosion on Earth is (on a geological timescale) chronologically very close to the Runaway Greenhouse event that caused Venus to boil about 700 million years ago. Before then, Venus may very well have had liquid water on its surface, so if you imagine during that time there is a huge amount of out-gassing and dispersal, all that gas is going to be ejected and carried out into the system. If Venus had some kind of microbiological life after a few billion years, and a few specks of that life managed to fall to Earth, it's not impossible to suggest that it might have been a catalyst for multicellular life to bloom. If you take a smaller scale, a small cluster of moons and a ring around a gas giant, this gets even easier. They'll be hit by particles from the others all the time. Most of these moons will be closer to each other than Earth is to the Moon, and likely far more active. If some extremophile manages to form after all that time, I wouldn't be surprised if the constant reactions going on cause it to evolve into some pretty wacky things.
@JuanAMota-pu5zx
@JuanAMota-pu5zx Жыл бұрын
I just love your channel! Thank you for this great video.
@pandoraeeris7860
@pandoraeeris7860 Жыл бұрын
I want to move to Saturn briefly while I build my worldship.
@isaacjohnson3503
@isaacjohnson3503 Жыл бұрын
I love your channel. Please... don't ever stop. You're amazing
@assemblyrequired7342
@assemblyrequired7342 Жыл бұрын
My first thought on seeing the title of this video was "wait, we can colonize the rings of gas giants?! I mean, they aren't too close to the Allen radiation belt?! That would be such a cool view"!!! My second thought was "why not build a starbase inside a planetary ring?! That way, you get one hell of a view of the gas giant's clouds below along with a place to dock your ships!"
@youtubehandlescostmemyusername
@youtubehandlescostmemyusername 4 ай бұрын
Way back in 2017, when Elite Dangerous was still good, one of the things I was most impressed by was supercruising close and parallel to planetary rings. Even at 30km/s they seem to stretch on forever.
@Nerukenshi1233
@Nerukenshi1233 Жыл бұрын
In my fictional universe, Emergence, the remnants of Japan has a major presence in the rings of Jupiter and Saturn, as well as in the Trojans, which brings back the use of the term 道, currently used in Hokkaido (it's the "do" part) but historically used to refer to "ways" or sailing circuits between islands controlled by the empire. Hokkaido was the largest island in the northern district, which is why it took the name of the entire district when the prefectural system was reorganized IRL. In Emergence, settlements around earth and it's Lagrange points are called 青星道 or Aoseido (blue star/celestial body circuit) around Mars and it's points 赤星道 akaseido, (red star circuit), the asteroid belt is 白星道 shiroseido, white, and outer solar system 黒星道 kuroseido, black. I'll be using this video as a launch point for fleshing out it and the various other regional powers in the outer ss. Thank you for the video!
@Pepo24
@Pepo24 Жыл бұрын
Sound very nice,im Also creating world
@UrdnotChuckles
@UrdnotChuckles Жыл бұрын
There's so much in and around the Saturn system that I could see it being a prime environment for all sorts of things. Settlements everywhere, outposts on dozens of moons, more orbital habitats than you can count, etc.
@index3562
@index3562 Жыл бұрын
I was actually watching one of your videos while I got this notification
@michaelpettersson4919
@michaelpettersson4919 Жыл бұрын
Double fun then.
@mawkernewek
@mawkernewek Жыл бұрын
8:40 I am sceptical of what you say about the rings of Saturn being more easily accessible than the moons. What really matters is the velocity change involved in moving the water ice from the rings to whereever it is used, and close to the planet where the rings are, has a faster orbit and therefore a greater velocity change to somewhere else further out. It may well be better to mine the minor outlying moons of Saturn, with minimal gravity and less velocity change.
@randysmith9715
@randysmith9715 Жыл бұрын
Possibly the "trick" is to pull TWO chunks out of the oort cloud and then swinging them around mars in opposite directions and collide them to cancel the opposing velocities. The first Martians would likely live underground to avoid the suns radiation and cosmic rays.
@sarcasmo57
@sarcasmo57 Жыл бұрын
I hope I get to see some of these thing happen.
@Sabamonster
@Sabamonster Жыл бұрын
This video is both informative and provides a sense of hope given the context that our sun will grow to catastrophic proportions in the coming thousands of years. The fact that it's even 'plausible' to do this (At least to some degree) is relieving. Especially considering that if humans are good for anything it's that if there's a way to do something, we'll typically find it.
@prakadox
@prakadox Жыл бұрын
Awesome sauce episode, Isaac. Very intriguing hypothesis regarding origin of life..
@uncle.America.Natural.9
@uncle.America.Natural.9 Жыл бұрын
Nothing but respect ✊ always enjoy this wonderful share knowledgeable information and creativity thinking 💭…just love it !!!
@uncle.America.Natural.9
@uncle.America.Natural.9 Жыл бұрын
That point he is human too …doesn’t what to though that situation and yes all soldiers is pawn ♟ to the players etc
@Lucien_75
@Lucien_75 Жыл бұрын
I love this channel.
@caseymay5449
@caseymay5449 Жыл бұрын
Well done sir. You are a great thinker...
@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667
@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667 Жыл бұрын
Awesome as always say 🌍💯
@innerstrengthcheck
@innerstrengthcheck Жыл бұрын
24 minutes in and already plenty of comments. Good to see you have a passionate following, Isaac! Myself amongst them for sure 😃
@harlockmbb
@harlockmbb Жыл бұрын
Captain Gideon was able to defeat the Comet Empire fleet with the help of Saturn ice rings.
@willyreeves319
@willyreeves319 Жыл бұрын
really liked the shell world around Saturn segment on the 'nebula' extended edition - putting it here because they dont have a comment section yet
@THINKMACHINE
@THINKMACHINE Жыл бұрын
There's a game partially about this, ΔV: Rings of Saturn It's on Steam and pretty good, you play as one of those ice miners you mentioned.
@libertyjones1451
@libertyjones1451 Жыл бұрын
A lot of Isaac's takes really just *rang* true to me, but what's new am I right.
@Sparticulous
@Sparticulous Жыл бұрын
Colonizing rings makes so much sense
@neilkirkley1500
@neilkirkley1500 Жыл бұрын
Came here from your Tidal Locking video, quality content mate, subbed.
@gaming_henry
@gaming_henry Жыл бұрын
Moving large numbers of asteroids using parabolic sun mirrors would generate a techno signature in the form of irregular dust clouds. Which is also what we have observed at Tabby’s star.
@antonioyeats2149
@antonioyeats2149 Жыл бұрын
Man I listen to a lot of sci fi but sfia is what I end with to bring me back to earth so to speak
@koiyujo1543
@koiyujo1543 Жыл бұрын
Imagine seeing this from your telescope on earth and seeing the lit up rings of saturn wow would be an amazing sight
@hukenon
@hukenon Жыл бұрын
It took me watching many videos before I realized he's saying "hurdles" each one makes me want to play stellaris
@kellrik66
@kellrik66 Жыл бұрын
I think the calculations for how big of mirror you would need are on the high side. Scaling up directly for the percent of sunlight received would not only provide as much light as a location on the equator but it would provide it for 24/7, the habitat would overheat quickly. You should only need about 1/3 or 1/4 of the reflective surface.
@asimovstarling8806
@asimovstarling8806 Жыл бұрын
A point I would like to make when it come to colonizing saturn's rings. Building any kind of base in the ring could act as the catalyst that triggers the slow formation of a new moon. If we were smart about it, we'd work to counter that while still building.
@DanielGenis5000
@DanielGenis5000 Жыл бұрын
Isaac, you always remind me of the sad truth that I was born too late to explore our planet and too early to discover our greater world. However, we are here at the right time to think about things like this… as long as the coming election turns out right, you know? 😊
@anitathakur9340
@anitathakur9340 Жыл бұрын
Well there are still many places on earth that you can explore
@eljeorgo
@eljeorgo Жыл бұрын
In the history of ways to ensure that Isaac Arthur DOES NOT RESPOND TO YOU... Talking about politics is at the 𝙑𝙀𝙍𝙔 𝙏𝙊𝙋 of that list. Because no matter what he said/did... He would lose half his audience if he did/said ANYTHING. Issac is a MASTER of being "apolitical." And I've TRIED emailing him... Trying to get ANY info regarding politics out of him. No response. And I see why.
@DanielGenis5000
@DanielGenis5000 Жыл бұрын
@@eljeorgo buddy, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Did you ever consider that I might know Isaac just a little better than you? I respect his privacy though, and I’ll leave it at that, so please do the same. Let’s move on.
@eljeorgo
@eljeorgo Жыл бұрын
@@DanielGenis5000 - I can't move on. Because I DO know what I'm talking about. Now - Is Isaac "political" in his PRIVATE LIFE. Quite probably. But his PUBLIC PERSONA? Is 100% Apolitical as I said. He has NEVER - In ANY of his episodes in ALL THESE YEARS made a SINGLE political comment. And in ALL OF THE COMMENTS to ALL OF THOSE VIDEOS... Zero political comments. (AND he didn't respond to you.) I'm done. And I wasn't wrong.
@DanielGenis5000
@DanielGenis5000 Жыл бұрын
@@eljeorgo hey, I looked into you… you’re not a bad guy, I’m sure we’d actually get along great in person. Let’s not argue anymore. I do know Isaac on a more personal level as well as his politics, that’s all. You’re right that the show is apolitical, which is fine. Cheers.
@archapmangcmg
@archapmangcmg Жыл бұрын
I always figured that taking ice from Saturn for Martian needs was for human use, inside domes and to form water reserves, drinking, bathing, etc. You wouldn't want your water to evaporate and escape Mars because you hadn't installed an atmosphere, anyway, especially if it's so difficult/expensive to get it there in the first place.
@stainlesssteelfox1
@stainlesssteelfox1 Жыл бұрын
Might I recommend 'The Martian Way', a short story by Issac Asimov.
@archapmangcmg
@archapmangcmg Жыл бұрын
@@stainlesssteelfox1 A good recommendation for others. Read it myself decades ago.
@uncleanunicorn4571
@uncleanunicorn4571 Жыл бұрын
Now I have to rewatch the episode on void ecology. Good times.
@defective6811
@defective6811 Жыл бұрын
"Not to Scale" That's good, because it fits on the screen of my phone
@any1alive
@any1alive Жыл бұрын
plnetary rigns are ebtter to mine/sort vs asteroid belt, becuase you can setup a larger smelter/sorter, and have ltos of little transport ships that move asteroids
@stevenpayette280
@stevenpayette280 Жыл бұрын
I like the thought of moving to space based habitats & leaving the planets to be like National Parks.
@j-twd930
@j-twd930 Жыл бұрын
Seems like I'm early to the party :D Also will there be a continuation for the "Surveying Interstellar Systems" series?
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA Жыл бұрын
Undecided :)
@jeffperteet2327
@jeffperteet2327 Жыл бұрын
that trebuchet in arizona needs to be multiplied and playing catch with another set of trebuchet in sync orbit
@limbo3545
@limbo3545 Жыл бұрын
The fascinating thing is that Saturn/Uranus/Neptune has equal or less gravitational force than Earth. Building stationary platforms that are reinforced with a counter weight in geostationary orbit can create floating islands without the need of a rotating habitat. Could work around Earth, too.
@aprylvanryn5898
@aprylvanryn5898 Жыл бұрын
The thing about a rotating habit is that you can create artificial gravity using centrifugal force. Of course 0 gravity works well enough on places like the ISS but the longer a person experienced no gravity the harder is is to acclimate to gravity
@limbo3545
@limbo3545 Жыл бұрын
@@aprylvanryn5898 On the ISS there is only zero G, because it's constantly falling around earth. If it was able to stand still, it would experience a gravitational force similar to the Earth surface. You can hold constructions with a counter-weight in place.
@aprylvanryn5898
@aprylvanryn5898 Жыл бұрын
@@limbo3545 I do get that but the thing is, if you move farther away from gravitational bodies the effect would become lessened. If you go to Jupiter most of the trip would be without gravity. If you made a generational ship to go to prixima centari there would be minimum 2 years at light speed and speeds we could go now would be more like 400 years. We do know that mating is difficult in 0 g.
@limbo3545
@limbo3545 Жыл бұрын
@@aprylvanryn5898 I think I get your point. I wasn't saying we shouldn't do the other things. I was just thinking how to utilize existing gravity. Especially at Saturn/Uranus/Neptune, because they have similar gravity as Earth. You are absolutely right. We need all the infrastructure (ships/stations/O'neill cylinders, etc.) to survive regardless how far and how long we travel. Btw. acceleration also mimics gravity while travelling (like how they do it in The Expanse).
@aprylvanryn5898
@aprylvanryn5898 Жыл бұрын
@@limbo3545 u can only store so much energy to thrust. Maybe we could go to Saturn with what we have and slow down after with what we will have. The radiation from Jupiter would definitely kill us. Even outside the rings the radiation is intense. It doesn't mean life couldn't exist, just that human life couldn't. We would be jello in days. If we got past that the radiation from Saturn would do the same thing if we got close to it
@colonelmustang7642
@colonelmustang7642 Жыл бұрын
awesome episode as always. i did want to point out a spelling error where you were showing the upcoming episodes. it says for Oct 27th "Shipwreched Saucers" should it not be "Shipwrecked Saucers"?
@waffenwafflesreal
@waffenwafflesreal Жыл бұрын
The music for this episode is very great. Can I know what it's called, who made it, and where can I find it?
@jasonhsu4711
@jasonhsu4711 Жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or is colonizing a planetary ring one of the most outlandish ideas ever? Isn't that an excessively unstable environment? Aren't the rocks in the ring constantly bombarding each other? The asteroid belt and most of the moons of Saturn and other planets seem to be much better places for colonization. At least they're not constantly getting bombarded.
@any1alive
@any1alive Жыл бұрын
the belts are reallly sparce, and nothign like movies, ... but it is kinda,
@emmettobrian1874
@emmettobrian1874 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if there'd be enough reason to hit Venus with something large enough to generate a ring system? You could use the rings for building cylinder habitats and maybe reboot the atmosphere (after a few millions of years of cooling off)?
@awsumguy-bh9pz
@awsumguy-bh9pz Жыл бұрын
video suggestion: what if for some reason you want to decolonize a planet how would you do that?
@Dark_Jaguar
@Dark_Jaguar Жыл бұрын
I dunno... I feel like the risk of getting hit by some particle travelling at ten times the speed of sound dramatically goes up if you try to colonize a ring.
@djdrack4681
@djdrack4681 Жыл бұрын
I could imagine a different variant: a Kardeshev I civilization that colonizes a big moon around a gas giant a la Ganymede. Sure they harvest the icey material in the existing rings, but due to their current tech and distance from sun they still use decent amount of fusion power generation: So, they just dump their nuclear waste in order under the roche limit, but there is so much it coalesces into rings that slowly degrade and fall into the gas giant (thereby disposing of the waste I wonder how much depleted uranium you could dump into a gas giant before it could significantly alter its atmosphere/makeup?
@JimboJamble
@JimboJamble Жыл бұрын
3:15 You can't just "drop" things toward the Sun. Objects in orbit are moving fast, so you need to impart a change in velocity to deorbit them -- exactly as much of a change as was required to get them into that orbit.
@eljeorgo
@eljeorgo Жыл бұрын
It does not require energy to get things into orbit around the sun. Everything we mess with... Starts in orbit. So to get something to "drop towards the sun." I guess you just launch it into space... Give it some velocity in the opposite direction that the Earth moves... And it will spiral in towards the sun (assuming it doesn't get an accidental gravity assist from another planet. - Which... Of course... Could be harnessed to slow the object you're dropping even further relative to the sun.)
@JimboJamble
@JimboJamble Жыл бұрын
@@eljeorgo It takes energy to change your orbit. Giving something a push in the opposite direction won't send it spiraling down, it'll just put it into a slightly more elliptical orbit. Orbits aren't quite the precarious balancing act above a death spiral that some people imagine. Pushing it will cause it to fall towards the Sun -- correct -- but it gains speed as it falls. It continues to gain more speed in the "down" direction, but the speed it just gained does not suddenly change direction as it moves, so the total speed is always pointing a little bit away from straight down. As it gets closer, it gets faster, and the direction it's traveling points further and further away until it's perpendicular, (the periapsis/perihelion/perigee, the lowest and fastest point in the orbit) where the direction of travel then starts to point away and the object gains altitude instead of losing it; its inertia then carries it right back to where it started where it slows down and starts its fall again. Tricks like gravity assists and aerobreaking can help you save fuel, but those come with their own costs. Nothing is free. "Why do objects in orbit around Earth eventually fall down?" Objects in low Earth orbit experience an ever so slight force of drag from the tiny amount of atmosphere that makes it up that high. Companies and govs put satellites into this unstable orbit intentionally so that (besides also being cheaper) they will eventually fall when their mission is over and don't become permanent space junk. Objects in higher orbits experience much less drag and will be up there effectively indefinitely. "What about black hole mergers?" Objects slowly bleed orbital energy in the form of gravitational waves through a process I do not understand. Suffice it to say, the effect is extremely slow and extremely small, which is why it takes two supermassive objects orbiting each other at handshaking distance for us to detect it. The effect on a ship orbiting the Sun is totally negligible.
@JimboJamble
@JimboJamble Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Isaac knows this, but probably fumbled on the script trying to balance so many things. Team Isaac, correct me if I'm wrong.
@eljeorgo
@eljeorgo Жыл бұрын
@@JimboJamble - You know because of 1. gravitational waves & 2. Dust in space Over the course of BILLIONS of years... Yes an object WOULD eventually spiral towards the sun. (If you gave it a push in the opposite direction that the Earth moves... And it didn't get any gravity assists from venus or mercury that flung it to a higher orbit) LOL I wrote my response before reading the 2nd half of yours XD
@JimboJamble
@JimboJamble Жыл бұрын
@@eljeorgo Sorry, it was a really long post.... Remember when KZfaq comments had a character limit?
@no2party
@no2party Жыл бұрын
All things considered colonizing the Saturn system would be the most feasible of the gas giants. You wouldn't have to deal with the radiation levels of Jupiter, you'd have access to plentiful volatiles and organic chemicals for power supplies, industrial activity, and fuel production. Plus you'd have Titan within easy reach as either an industrial hub or a resort world, after all who wouldn't want to don a pair of wings and fly around the moon like a bird.
@futeramonfuturamet4830
@futeramonfuturamet4830 Жыл бұрын
Titan seems tailor made to be a vacation destination. Not only the flying, but also the lakes and rivers
@JPkerVideo
@JPkerVideo Жыл бұрын
Shame I can never really watch these videos to the end because narrators voice is so calming and high quality that I get sleepy :(
@jonathanhensley6141
@jonathanhensley6141 Жыл бұрын
Is it saturn or Jupiter's rings that have large diamonds. A fully colonized solar system would be a site to behold.
@brightax7502
@brightax7502 Жыл бұрын
have you done something about colonising the inside of planets/ mantles?
@kerbodynamicx472
@kerbodynamicx472 Жыл бұрын
What if we extend this idea to build miniature Alderson disks around planets, that will be pretty cool
@OpalholicsAnonymous
@OpalholicsAnonymous Жыл бұрын
Could you use giant hoses to resisvoires in orbit. So you have a steady stream of water. Same setup as elivator to space. Just less effort. Especially with mars gravity
@euchiron
@euchiron Жыл бұрын
Could a large enough magnetic drag sail function as a diffuse Bussard-style collector for interstellar hydrogen? I picture this functioning as a broader version of an ion drive in reverse, literally braking against solar wind.
@casualgoats
@casualgoats Жыл бұрын
Rings of Saturn is a wild band
@ASlickNamedPimpback
@ASlickNamedPimpback Жыл бұрын
When will you do Colonizing Europa? It’s a moon around Jupiter and about the highest chance we have of encountering non-Earth life
@lonjohnson5161
@lonjohnson5161 Жыл бұрын
Isaac, are there episodes where you look back after many years and you think, at least in part, that you were wrong? I'm mainly getting at the learning process in this show, where something seems reasonable at first, but after hundreds of hours of additional research and contemplation a different conclusion is more reasonable.
@alexanderchapman8728
@alexanderchapman8728 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a colonizing the Uranus system
@KARANVANIYA
@KARANVANIYA Жыл бұрын
Can all the energy from all stars be stored as angular momentum of all the inactive planetary bodies those don't emit anything, thus preventing any radiation losses of the stored energy ?
@josh214haigh
@josh214haigh Жыл бұрын
I think I'm missing something? To move icy bodies from the Kuiper belt to the inner system would need a fairly large change in momentum to alter the orbit. Why is this free because it's going down the gravity well?
@kayseek1248
@kayseek1248 Жыл бұрын
1:57 so the Ice Hauler Canterbury would never exist?
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA Жыл бұрын
Not like it's shown anyway :)
@darkleome5409
@darkleome5409 Жыл бұрын
It could exist still, although it would be delivering ice to various artificial habitats, not Mars, Ceres or any asteroid colony. Most places in the belt and farther do have water already
@CeresKLee
@CeresKLee Жыл бұрын
Maybe we will travel 1% of C until we get to the closest black hole, then will can switch to David Kipping's Halo Drive.
@translumination2002
@translumination2002 Жыл бұрын
Mind blowing the concept of rings being easy mining structures. In Kim Stanley Robertson's Mars series there's a huge conflict between the environmentalist who want to preserve the beauty of the natural world & the industrialists who want to mine & change every last thing they deem useful. I imagine if you start mining the rings of Saturn there'll be conflict along these lines. Mine Jupiter's rings by all means but please leave Saturn alone.
@rustyshackleford1508
@rustyshackleford1508 Жыл бұрын
If anyone wants a videogame with this setting, try *dV: Rings of Saturn.*
@Darkstar.....
@Darkstar..... Жыл бұрын
15:30 I imagine using a light sail or anything like a parachute travelling at relativistic speeds would be like flying towards a cosmic shotgun. What would stop the random particles in space tearing apart your sail.
@KosmonautKong
@KosmonautKong Жыл бұрын
I think the idea is that the sail itself is *just* strong enough to withstand the extremely slow acceleration from the lasers, but fragile enough that anything else hitting it will just punch straight through without transferring any of that energy to the surrounding, otherwise untouched sail. The holes would be small enough to not impact performance too badly, and you can fold them up when you're not using them.
@Darkstar.....
@Darkstar..... Жыл бұрын
@@KosmonautKong you have some points there. I wasn't referring to such speeds however. I was referring to relativistic speeds. Like approaching decent fractions of the speed of light. Also you need to adjust the lasers output so at close distances it doesn't punch a hole through a just barely strong enough material. NASA doesn't operate on just good enough. They like to have a margin of error of 2-5 X stronger than necessary. And it's not a few holes at relativistic speeds. These craft will be travelling for potentially hundreds of years. That's a lot of holes and the laser output must increase the further it travels and any signals sent back will be so difficult to receive to make up for the generator we can not put in such craft as they need to weigh a few gram. Less than 30gm. That we need receivers larger than the planet. A massive array of satellites would do it but thanks to elon and other countries thousands of cube SATs launched now and into the future will make that real hard and may require an orbit further from earth and therefore more difficult to achieve. The problems are far more numerous than cosmic shotguns. I mentioned it because I haven't heard Issac mention it before. Its not on his radar as he isn't one to try and disprove his theories for the sake of being accurate. What kind of futurist would he be if he did. He likes to hand wave the problems away expecting our technology to improve enough that it is a non starter. I point you towards Kyle hills BECAUSE SCIENCE although it is not his channel. Search the video. WHY YOU DONT WANT SUPER SPEED. he does have his own channel now called Kyle hill. Its not because science though and that should tell you enough. To see how many satellites are in orbit I point you towards Scott Manley's video IF YOU COULD SEE EVERY SATELLITE. For a full vr experience of every satellite in orbit. At least from the position the camera is taking the footage. I am not certain if it is real footage or CGI. Forgive me if I got that point wrong.
@mediamass1404
@mediamass1404 Жыл бұрын
hey do gasses maintain tensile forces?
@timothy8428
@timothy8428 Жыл бұрын
How do you drop an item like a chunk of ice from the Kuiper belt without using lots of fuel to deorbit it? Isn't it the same problem as trying to toss something from the ISS to Earth?
@michaelmcchesney6645
@michaelmcchesney6645 Жыл бұрын
On the subject of terraforming Mars, I think the most useful technology for doing so would probably be a stargate or other way to open a wormhole between 2 points. If you could open a 2 meter wide tunnel between the surface of Mars and and the surface of Venus you would have most of what you needed to terraform Mars in a relatively short time. When the new atmospheric pressure reaches Earth sea level normal, you close the door and release cyanobacteria to turn some of that planet warming CO2 into O2. The only thing that wouldn't give you is water. But if you then opened a door to Jupiter or Saturn you could add hydrogen that could react with the new O2 to make water. Or you just redirect a bunch of comets to crash into Mars. But assuming wormholes aren't an option and you have to redirect comets to terraform Mars, you might want to do that before you start colonizing it. Getting hit by a comet could ruin your whole day. I have a question about the Nebula extended addition. Actually I just thought of a second. Has any thought gone into adding a comment section to Nebula? But my original question was about obtaining enough mass to enclose Saturn and then to cover that shell with rocks and dirt. If the shell was made of graphene, how much carbon would we need? Would the moons of Saturn have enough carbon and other necessary elements?
@futeramonfuturamet4830
@futeramonfuturamet4830 Жыл бұрын
Though that would require the tunnel to be at least 300million kilometers long
@michaelmcchesney6645
@michaelmcchesney6645 Жыл бұрын
@@futeramonfuturamet4830 Depends on how you looked at it. Once you fold the piece of paper, even one of those tiny pencils they give you to play put put would be long enough to pass through both points.
@MrMichaelAThompson
@MrMichaelAThompson Жыл бұрын
With ALL of the most powerful people on Earth being Malthusian Eugenicists, it's doubtful we will be having massive population growth any time in the foreseeable future.beginnings
@KARANVANIYA
@KARANVANIYA Жыл бұрын
Is Mars already infected by the microorganisms from earth ?
@vidyaishaya4839
@vidyaishaya4839 Жыл бұрын
No, robots sent there are scrubbed for that. That won't happen until we send humans.
@MogofWar
@MogofWar Жыл бұрын
Most likely.
@hamentaschen
@hamentaschen Жыл бұрын
Well, shiver me timbers!
@liamscienceguy8153
@liamscienceguy8153 Жыл бұрын
Its thursday m’dudes
@bastion6421
@bastion6421 Жыл бұрын
Here goes an idea for a game
@Ruiluth
@Ruiluth Жыл бұрын
3:25 is a massive mistake. "Dropping something into a gravity well" is anything but "fuel free". How do you think it's done, anyway? You get up close to the asteroid and... what? Ask it nicely to fall down please? The fact is that it's far more difficult to move things downward than upward due to the Oberth effect. That's why Mercury is the hardest planet to reach. The Kuiper belt would be massively expensive to move cargo to and from.
@troydavis1
@troydavis1 Жыл бұрын
How about if to both increase Mars’ mass and give it water etc, we crash a moon or two into its surface ? Which moon(s) though? None of the larger iconic ones probably. Especially not if for example we found life on Europa.
@annoyed707
@annoyed707 Жыл бұрын
Colonizing Bathtub Megastructure Rings
@gumunduringigumundsson4315
@gumunduringigumundsson4315 Жыл бұрын
Sweeet! 🍀
@lawneymalbrough4309
@lawneymalbrough4309 Жыл бұрын
I think the concentration of icy debris would make it risky.
@EemsTheDork
@EemsTheDork Жыл бұрын
Yesssssss
@Aginor88
@Aginor88 Жыл бұрын
Interesting.
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Kann man ein Raumschiff mit eigenen Kraftwerk und Lasern ausstatten um seinen Segel anzuschieben das wiederum das Raumschiff zieht unabhängig von der Sonne,oder wäre das ganze zu schwer???......🤔🤔🤔
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