That moment when Sinnix is a better art teacher than your actual art teacher

"Hey, Vsauce, Sinix Design here!!1! What is colour? and how much does it weigh?"

Sanix Colours is my favorite Sanix game.

Dang, man. I spent over a week doing this kind of research forever ago just so I can get an accurate color wheel and decide on a good color picker for this reason. And you come up with the IDEAL one off the top of your head. I would pay money for that thing. That dynamically changes the value range/shape of a color. ...which is significant, because I'm a total cheapskate if there are free programs available.

I just realised that Ur fcking awesome man "Art is about interpretation not replication Limitations improve creativity" Such wise words 👌♥️

I'm about to be nerdy, so I hope I make sense / am correct lol. Sssso, from my understanding the CIE 1932 Color Space (google it, you've seen this graph around before,) is shaped as such because it charts the total perceivable color range of human vision. Both the X and Y scale on the graph basically mean luminance (on different wavelengths, something to do with the eye's anatomy -- it's complicated.) Anyway notice how the richest green and the richest red score up near 0.7-0.8 on their scales (Green is perceived higher as a more luminous color to humans,) and the richest blue scores down near 0.17 -- pretty 'dim' in luminance despite its rich saturation. What this is getting at, is that humans DO perceive different colors at different intensities, unlike computers which treat RGB color with each channel EXACTLY the same as each other. When in actuality these R,G, and B channels should be separately weighted in a numerical processing sense. The brightest green (for example) should have a higher maximum value associated with it compared to the highest Red or Blue --- separate from the "255/255/255" 8-bit values associated with straight RGB. Using the CIE chart, those values would be something like R255/V0.775, G255/V0.801, B255/V0.172. (not trying to be accurate there, just an example.) I actually didn't know that Photoshop already does this SEPARATE from 'Desaturate'. If you paste a CIE 1932 graph into Photoshop and hit Desaturate, then the graph turns flat gray (with a hazy triangle shape in the middle representing neutral white.) BUT, if you go to Mode>Grayscale then Photoshop applies associated color value, and the CIE graph will be clearly visible in grayscale (green is lighter than red, red is lighter than blue, the white middle is brightest because.. white.) -- A black 'Color' blended layer works as well as you demonstrated too. I'm not sure how you'd translate a weighted color picker that makes visual sense without limiting or creating ADDED bias toward our perceptions already. I think this just has to be something more artists have to be aware of to not be misinformed about 'desaturation = making visible values' because they are not the same things. Bonus fact: Ever wonder why Samsung OLED Phone screens have such SATURATED colors compared to other phones? It all comes down to the size of the pixels in the screen. In a normal RGB stripe matrix screens, the red, blue, and green sub-pixels are all treated equally. However, Samsung uses a matrix pattern called 'Pentile.' This matrix layout uses signficiantly larger red and blue sub-pixels while shrinking the green sub-pixel (but doubling their count compared to the red and blues.) This creates a screen that has a built-in correction to our higher sensitivity of green light, allowing us to perceive more nuance in the red and blue scales. (Earlier pentile OLED's looked pretty bad though -- grainy/coarse screen resolution and an over-compensated color cast toward blue in the color.) Or at least I think this is how it goes lol. These days they've worked it out and it looks pretty good now.

I'm so glad to finally see someone more than me point out the frustrations with working in grayscale; so many tutorials I used to read and follow pretty much said "and then slap on some color until it looks good", which honestly is just another way of saying "then draw the rest of the owl". Regarding values and sliders in digital media: just the fact that checking your values is different between softwares is enough to make me just ditch the sliders and go for what actually looks good using my own eyes. Values are useful when planning out the light setting and composition and make sure silhouettes are distinguishable, it's stuff you can nail down during the thumbnail stage. I actually dont do much digital art anymore because of stuff like this (mainly work traditional lately, it's really fun), I used to spend hours on adjusting sliders instead of just getting the painting done. Great video as always!

sinix too good for this world

“How Can Values Be Real If Our Saturations Aren't Real”

If you have Coolorus for Photoshop you can toggle the luminosity lock and it will move the picker for you to keep the value the same as you change the hue.

as a self taught artist, these videos are super helpful, thank you!

A good example of this is how yellow text on a white background is uncomfortable to read but blue text is easy

Haven’t even watched this one yet, I’m just surprised at how quickly you posted it after the last one. The work you put into your videos astounds me. Always top quality and highly educational as well as entertaining. Thank you so much for the work you do.

More color videos I love learning about color theory

I learned all this and an incredible amount in general from Bruce MacEvoy's Handprint site's colour theory subsection of his watercolour guide. It gets really technical but it's extremely informative and goes way deeper in every regard than any other material I've read on the subject, at least within the art world. Sadly it doesn't give you much advice on how to apply it all, but it sets the record straight on so many things. I've watched some of your videos for years and I've even caught your stream a few times, but I actually found these two videos because today I was giving someone who was a self-professed beginner advice on whether and how to handle greyscale to colour painting, and I was looking for videos to back up what I was saying based on my experience both with personal experimentation and watching other artists and seeing their finished work. To that end, I do want to point out one thing I said to them as well, which is that when executed deliberately the flaws in going from greyscale to colour in digital media can be used as an expressive trait of an artstyle, the same as the flaws in any medium or technique; I can even think of some artists who I believe do this, using the "strangeness" and desaturated or too-light regions that result to create a kind of clinical-but-soft feeling in their artwork that is iconic to their work. Just something I want to throw out there since it seems like you feel (or felt, I recognise these are four and a half year old videos at this point) that the only real advantage of rendering this way is that it's easier for people who are just starting out and for whom it's more important to learn than to pump out top-quality pieces; I agree that that's an advantage, and I also _generally_ agree that working from hue into value instead of the other way around produces more appealing work, I just don't agree that it's the only advantage or that the subjective difference in appeal is ubiquitous.

So far from boring Sinix. I hadn't considered a couple of these ideas before and as someone new to digital painting its so helpful to have these thoughts in mind as I progress. Furthermore, as someone well experienced in traditional painting, these ideas clarify what the f* all the software terms actually mean and give me a new way to think about old terms I used to think were concrete foundations.

in conclusion, grayscale is the devil himself

Sinix: talks about advanced color stuff Me: ignoring everything and staring at the title and the line thinking HoW In tHe WoRlD Is thAt So StrAiGhT?!

Thanks Sycra

I love sinix's videos and can watch them all day long, but his voice just makes me feel so sleepy and tired

To check values: new top layer, set blending mode to “saturation,” fill new layer with black.

Great video, easy to pick up, and I loved the V-Sauce and RossDraws references! Keep up the good work

Hey sinix thanks for the like on my Instagram. Anyways you always ironically release the videos I need at the right time. Thanks man.

"Cue the vsauce music... Nevermind it's probably copyrighted" LMAO

Wow... I’ve been noticing this stuff for almost a year now, researched a lot till a few months ago, found out a bunch of info about this but never saw this amazing video. Even tho it’s all stuff I’d already figured out it’s great to see other artists acknowledging it :D

Sinix posting so often

This is the most accurate video about color I’ve seen. Great job!

Ctrl + C + Windows button to turn the monitor to greyscale for value checking. Doesnt' desaturate the image, it shows values. You have to enable this shortcut in the settings.

youre my favorite teacher. Fast, clear and fun :)

Painting in hdr in the future will be cray cray

I don't have any experience using Coolorus, but I believe it has the ability to "Lumosity Lock" in order to retain an accurate value while shifting hues

Everyday is a reference's day

Woah! Thanks a lot! It really makes sense the differentiation between value and brightness. I must practice this so i won't forget it.

That blending mode Photoshop tip helped me a lot! Thank you!

Damn! This video gonna help me a lot! I never noticed that I turned down my saturation and not my value!

08:16 TURN DOWN FOR WHAT! you should design your own painting program bro, just awesome very graphical and clear explanation on how the values work :D

Man! That whole black layer set on "color" thing!!!!! YOU JUST SAVED MY CARREEEEEERRRRRRRR lol I'm using it on every piece now. If I don't like how it looks, I can just blame it on you :P

ohhhh now i understand why colors sometimes goes bland and sometimes they literally pop depending on which slider i'm using thank you for the video, now it makes a lot of sense

This video is two years old, but I tested the "black-filled layer set to color blending mode" method with Procreate and it actually shows the inherent hue values well!

Superb video, Sinix!!! Well done! 😍👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽You defined what I have been feeling with the greyscale, real colors, digital colors debate. You didn't menton Sketchbook Pro. Regardless, I use the squint method. Hey, it worked for the Old Masters and the Modern Artists, it works for me. Greyscale painting always reminds me of the old colorized photographs. I work mainly in digital. Yes, I know how to mix colors and worked in acrylics and oil. Worked traditional a long time. The brightness of digital and range of color is what I enjoy. Glad you're back making videos. I miss you, when you don't post a new video. ☺️

What are three things that make colours up? Me, a programmer: R G B!!! Hue saturation and value... Me: oh... But in the modern world!!! ME: RGB ERB!!!! Hue saturation and Brightness* Me: oh.

I have been using Krita. It's advanced color palette in HSI mode is pretty accurate in showing the colors' actual value and saturation.

ooh i tried it with krita and it actually does the same thing as photoshop, if you apply a desaturation filter the colours come out as the same mid grey, but if you ad a completely black layer on top and set it to colour mode it shows the actual values. (another reason why krita is the best)

USE KRITA! (free and open source software) it has some very in-depth colour picking and mixing options, including ways to differentiate values, gamut masks, and HSV/HSL/HSI/HSY blending modes or filters. see more info here: docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/blending_modes/hsx.html Krita really is an amazing painting program and I'm really amazed that more illustrators aren't using it

in lighting theory, value refers to the "reflectivity" of a particular diffuse color. an object with absolute value zero value will not reflect any light, and hence perceived as totally black.

Here we are... 2023 has come and we still don't have the magic prismatic pixels

My brain exploded during this video.

So many vids lately nice work!

OMG the black thing works on clip studio, thank you!!!! I have learned a lot from your videos!

8:25 its 2024 and I'm still waiting for that magical prismatic pixels system..... #sinixstoplying #freethemagicalprism

Thanks for this, cleared up a lot of things. Please do more videos about color! Need to get better at it and it can be so difficult / confusing...

Thanks for nerding out on color. As a Photoshop user, I was relieved to learn that options I prefer there work more scientifically than in painter. It's very cool, and a bit brave, of you to cop to your mistakes online. Way to push through all the trolling ugliness and man-up. ;)

your voice is so nice to listen to.

homework can take the back seat,, sinix uploaded

Awesome, thanks for making this tutorial 🙏😊 bringing light to this gloomy winter 😃

Could you make more videos about design theory, please? I really like those videos, they helped me a lot with my art! :)

Nicely done! Would be really perfect if this video was posted last year, I could have use it as a reference for my undergraduate paper :"). Oh well, great talk Robert!!

Thank for sharing your tips!love your videos, the silly humor 😂and your voice ❤️.

The colour picker you describe is almost exactly the same as the one found at www.hclarke.ca/colour-picker.html , known as an HCL colour picker. And yes, more programs should offer one out of the box.

Very nice video, I did learn some interesting things about color with this. Thank you for making it :D

Best way to check your values in any program is to fill with black a layer in Color mode, then put this layer on top. As Sinix said desaturation is not the way

That was indepth, and helpful. The overflow of intelligent information washed away your sin (your artistic sin) :P Nah, but great stuff.

“Remember, every day is a color dodge day! Wait... that’s not my line.”

I know this is late but I saw another artist say that pressing the windows key and ctrl c will make your monitor output in Grayscale. No more program limitations!

Thanks for the refresher.

in SAI, the "color deepen" slider does that

Please man, i'm sucking balls on color, maybe beacause i still don't have the value milleage but i would love like a "all things that you should know about color for digital art" vídeo. Awesome tutorials, i'm a big fan of you

Lol a Ross Draws reference

Love me some good color talk! Great video.

Hi! I am a person in the future lol . I didn’t figure out that this video comes out 6 years ago lol . Do our programs now find out a way to fix the value ?

this is so important if you make WPAP project

LOVED THISSSSS! Could you do a tutorial on lips or eyes?

Hey, could you pleeeeeeeeease do a video explaining how to apply this while painting? Your video about painting like a sculptor helped me a lot, but I am still struggling so much with colors :(

I loved this!!! thanks for the video!!

It’s 2023 and there is no magic pixel prismatic thing :((

Photoshop has a luminosity color picker that does what everyone is looking for. Here's a luminosity 'palette' of colors at their correct luminosity: 78.media.tumblr.com/498a2063ae27a8fd57ce54cd587f9154/tumblr_odb7ml2c6S1r4ltwho1_1280.png Also you can flatten all your layers (ctrl+alt+shift+e) to a new layer and set the layer mode to luminosity and it should be accurate, for checking values.

thanks sinix , I would like to know more about color, do you have any other advice to complement what I have learned?

Today I learned that value, brightness, and lightness are three different things. I still have a vague idea at best of what that difference is.

What a pleasant video.

Is it possible that the desaturation in Procreate shows the correct value? Because if I place yellow and blue with the same brightness next to each other and desaturate the blue is darker. Or dont I understand something ?

Just color dodge it brah

Cool video Sinix :)

I use grayscale because im color blind and overlay rgb values over my work lol so what do I do:( I don't know how to overcome this now I mean i felt like i found a way around this but now i see how bad greyscale really is -_-

Previously on Dragon Ball Z

what about alt+shit+ctrl+B? If you don't move anything it gives you the values.

Hi Sinix Design, I'm a beginner and have been practicing Digital Painting. I've been trying to figure out how to make my paintingsg more 'Visually Appealing', and I was hoping you could advice (or make a video) on it? Seems like a subject that many beginners like me strugle with all the time. Ty for the videos so far they've been helpful.

8:44 I will be waiting for 2023

THANK YOY

I this vsauce5?

It's ok to be confused, because its really confusing what Sinix is talking about. "We learn by pushing ourselves and finding what really lies at the outer reaches of our abilities."

Excellent

Dat VSauce reference xD

I'm super confused. Can someone dumbed it down for me???

Sinix plz answer man ! question :- I'm studying in class 10th and was thinking, will anyone ask me.. when applying for job as a concept artist like what are my qualification, or just let me work on the basis of my art. like ya, how I behave is a factor like not being a sh*t He*d. but I think what I'm saying is .. is my education let it be my general education like school or high level education like collage really matters ?

0:44 I really said red yellow blue

Photoshop + magic picker extension = corelshop/profit

Krita has HSV , HSL, HSI and HSY´

i never had trouble with greyscale, its innate to me. Then again I get color too as I grew up on Ghibli storyboards and art. So maybe I just rule. And I'm humble.

So much fan service in this video 😂

This is what LAB color space is for