man, an eink display on a smartwatch sounds amazing

Yes! It always amazed me how that watch's display seems to have been forgotten about. I still use it to this day (thanks Rebble) and it's honestly incredible smooth and colorful it is. It obviously isn't as vibrant as a traditional display, but it's still one of the best e-inks I've ever seen. I imagine it's small size has something to do with it, but I would have hoped that almost a decade of technological innovation would have made that technology more widespread in e-readers and such. Edit: After reading through some more comments, turns out the Pebble Time was an "e-paper" display which is a different technology. The more you know! I still think my last sentence still applies, that the low-power, paper-like display market should have developed so much more by now. Whether is issues with patents, lack of research or funding, or whatever reason, it's still a shame and I hope the slow uptick in these kinds of devices help push these technologies forward.

@@RayRayIsCoolio it was

I used to own a Pebble Steel which had the black and white screen but it didn't last long before the screen malfunction and the display fade away when I press the side botton. I got sent a replacement but the replacement suffered the same issue after a few weeks of usage.

i feel like the fact that a single company holds all the patents to e ink technology makes innovation less likely to appear, since that company is the only source of advancement in this field and there is no competition.

It's good to see people asking the important questions.

I would say and its current state His sure can’t

i bet and i want to see this done

Yes

Everything runs doom. It's like everything tastes likes chicken. It just does.

Yes it is No regrets 💀

its ok - I have spares.

@@JerryRigEverything 🤔

@@JerryRigEverything From someone who just got 9 stitches in his thumb from basically this same thing, BOY missing a functional thumb seems so much worse than missing any other finger lol. Also, the numbing of it to get those stitches put in... that was not fun.

@@Frozty I did it to my side palm in the fatty area of the palm. A lot of stitches and I could actually see the fat cells inside the side palm. Very cool and painful. Ha ha.

Do you now ​@JerryRigEverything

Searching for this exact comment. Glad i found it.

That hit close. He suddenly made the tablet so human and relatable

Pebble Time smart watch used coloured eink

Agreed, companies such as Sony, Seiko, and Fossil Hybrid all use E-ink displays but the common consumer aren’t attracted to them so they got low sales and died out. Features/price is a common factor most people care about. Tech that looks old is unattractive to them. “If it looks old, it has to be cheap. If it’s not cheap, I would rather get a Samsung/Apple/Garmin instead”

@@simmmomom No. It was coloured LCD disguising as e-paper, not e-ink.

As an owner of several Pebble watches, @@Tomazack is correct, the screens are a very-low-power type of LCD. They don't have the ghosting problems that e-ink has, resulting in higher usable refresh rates (though "update rate" is probably a better term to use with e-ink), but they still require power to maintain a static image. I think some people were confused because they're transflective, meaning they use reflected ambient light most of the time but have a backlight if you need to see it in the dark (the slightly underhanded marketing didn't help).

Jerry's fingers must be immune to tiny glass shards.

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It is, especially when you optimize the settings to refresh on its own in the Air 3C settings.

Wtf that wasn’t me 😭

The Pepple watch was eInk, but I don’t think they are produced any more.

@@HansMilling e-paper, not e-ink, different tech

​@Wo-Lad E-Paper is E-Ink. E-Ink is a type of E-Paper display technology. E-paper is a general terminology for any display technology trying to mimic actual paper. E-Ink just does the best job of mimicking Paper compared to any other display technology.

@@GalaxyFur the e-paper used in the pebble time was an LCD panel, not the normal, licensed e-ink, that's what I meant

That would be really awesome if you can have your credit card numbers toggled on and off with an e-ink display and also have it show your balance. The displays can be very thin, so it could be possible.

i think some devices in the past have been able to do this, but the tradeoff is that the higher refresh rate leaves more ghosting, so it's usually a setting.

The refresh rate really reminded me of those awful passive STN displays from the early/mid-2000s. Honestly, not bad.

Boox’s super refresh technology is really good, the best in the industry but it is more intensive on the battery. What users are really complaining about is that BSR is always turned on. You get 10x more battery life on the Note Air 3 (B/W) than the Note Air 3C.

Dasung and hisense are even faster

I have the Lenovo ThinkBook Plus G4 with colored eInk secondary display. The display is very much like the one shown here - probably from the same factory, too. The Lenovo has two options for driving the eInk: A high-refresh mode with 12Hz that has decent ghosting and very bad contrast and colours - as seen here. The other mode is called 'reader mode' with maybe 2Hz, long input lag and terrible ghosting, but the colours are *much* more vibrant. Great for reading books or comics, but useless for anything where the content changes with any regularity.

pebbles were e-ink, you can use rebble to keep em going in the modern day

I have a fossil gen 6 hybrid. It uses an E Ink display, honestly love it

Yes

@@doomguydike They’re e-paper, low power LCD like in Casio watches. More accurately, transflective LCD (it’s and LCD that reflects light with an optional backlight). E-ink is a company and brand name that uses the particle up/down system that the pebble did not use. (E-ink is now synonymous like Kleenex).

Amazfit bip lite has a similar display. I had one and loved it!

Right ? it has more functionality, is more snappy and have more FPS, but I think the ghosting is quite a bit more present on the bad side, is it a setting that can be changed maybe ?

@@ADP4031 Yes, Boox devices have 5 levels of screen refresh. From "full refresh with black phase all the time" to a dithered high-fps mode that's suitable for video.

There are screen differences too of course. But usually it has less to do with the screen than the processing board. The more regular e-book focused readers mostly go for battery time and use as low power CPU and OS as possible. Like the typical Kobo. But some using the exact same screen (Tolino for example) have a more powerful CPU and run Android. They are perceived as updating faster because of this. The downside, battery time. Being counted in days instead of weeks.

Won't happen any time soon, because these involve moving material in the pixel, which means physical travel time.

check out daylight computer. they are making a 60hz non flicker e-ink tablet

E-Ink at 240Hz is just like an inferior OLED

why? that would defeat the entire purpose of it.

Even if it is accomplished, the power consumption would exceed an LCD display. A T-LCD or R-LCD could accomplish it. You could try a mixture of dithering + interlaced or mosaic technique on eink to increase fps, but that can look ugly.

Too bad it's now in pieces...

@@Daniel-yy3ty 😂

@@Daniel-yy3ty You win the internet today

Actually that's a bit different, the pebble has a better refresh rate without ghosting but the screen does not stay on without power. However it is very energy efficient too.

Yeh I have both the kickstarter models. The OG was a lot easier to read, but having colour was cool for almost 10 years ago. Both batteries expired, so i am reluctantly wearing a galaxy. I think i'll upgrade and get a garmin next, I think they have something similar to the eink, at least that's my understanding of the outstanding battery life they exhibit.

The pebble watch used a type of LCD screen that had chips next to every pixel that allowed it to save power not e-ink. The reason not many companies use e-ink is because one company owns the patents on e-ink and that means that no other company can use it without paying exorbitant amounts of money for something that may not sell.

lol how do I not see these 😂

😆 (In reality, it's to protect the pen nib from being bent while not in use)

Ironic, considering this cap has a through hole on the tip.

Omg is that a reference to a condom LOL !

Burns like hell when I piss... shoulda worn a rubber. -bandits in Far Cry 3

@fluffy_unicorn859i have a fossil hybrid hr that lasts almost two weeks on a single charge with customisable watch faces

@fluffy_unicorn859 Garmin has made both black and white as well as colored one. Not sure about their current line up but I owned a colored vivowatch for 3 years

Same

It's probably the skagen gen 6 hybrid! It also has real clock hands above the e-ink display! It's amazing for what it is but a bit clunky. (Speaking after owning it for a bit less then a year.)

Garmin Fenix is color e ink.

Wow! 😮

bro he is technacaliy not wronge

as s24 ultra is also sometimes refferd as note 24 ultra

Color eink is actually pretty old already but it has a hard time since ppl don't really buy eink for colors haha

Thank you for watching!

nooo coz it's realy like the note so he's right 👍🏼😅

It's intentional

Nah, pretty sure most adults will get it - you would need to be pretty sheltered not too.

Thank you!

Noticed the same 😂

He sure likes to virtue-signal.

So... you would rather have him not make eco friendly packaging???? So easy to criticise but you're not morally perfect either. Do what you can

They would have been e-waste at some point in time regardless of what he did to them

S24 ultra is also called note 24 ultra

I see them a lot with orange leds or a lcd

Color eink are popping up in some cities. Traffic signs, bus arrival schedules, traffic lights… there’s some shops that fully replace their price labels with b/w eink. And they sometimes have a solar panel to assist them (no they’re not fully reliant on them, but they’re connected for fallback)

Thats a peach

But it did actually.

Amazfit Bip too.

It has a low power LCD like Casio watches. Called transflective LCD. This tech, color e-ink is just a few years old. It’s a carta e-ink panel with a color filter over it. It’s confusing because e-ink is synonymous every e-paper tech just like Kleenex for tissues.

@@yensteel didn't know, thanks for the info. I'm still loving my Pebble Time regardless :D

Play some music

Slowly gets out jerryrig kni f e, (I’m a med student lol)

Same here! Have a tab mini C that’s always with me. I’m thinking of getting another one and replace my iPad for pdf annotations. The remarkable 2 is 4 years old, so I waiting for its successor, and the Supernote A5x2 is rumored to coming out later this year. Both lack a backlight, which is inconvenient. I can’t always bring a led clamp either. Most front light panels are 0.5mm thick, so if it’s thinner maybe they’ll consider it.

For apps from Play store, optimizing the app to use default app DPI makes the app look much better and normal.