I tried this once at a table. The dagger stare I got from the dealer 😂😂 played for a few hours, and I made sure to tip well.

It would definitely depend. One thing I do different is whenever I get a Don't Come on a 4 or 10, I don't place bet I just go max odds on it taking the chance to help compensate for the 11's you might hit while in the Don't Come box. On a practice online run it worked really well this way.

same strategy but place 456 with $15, 20, 24 and win a little no matter what happens. Great video!

I've watched 36 full press play and explain this. Ive played with this and won when table is choppy. I bought in for $1200 and played at $60 bet level. Only thing i do differently is on dont come 4/10 is place the 4/10 for $50 and add a $10 hardway. You still have 60 both in front of and behind the 4/10 hoping for the hard way to increase winning potential.

You can play it with a friend if you want on a bubble machine where you share a set of dice. One of you plays the don'ts and the other plays lightside. You both rack up player rewards decently too.

Very very very interesting, I’m going to 4:53 have to play it out on the old kitchen table 1st though. :-) Jeremy, I bet on the Browns last week and I have no idea why I did because you should never bet on my home team. I didn’t think they would win, and I thought, the point spread was thin. When I when will I ever learned to just stick to dice and blackjack lol.

House always wins in the long run, key is never give them a long run!!! know when to leave... best advice you're gonna get!

I did a similar strategy on bubble craps, $20 in $1 bets, played $1 hard ways, cashed out $57... Was fun just playing singles

hedge DC bet, add $2 yo (eleven) . Or team up with a second player doing the place bets, and use players cards. This is old patrick hedge system detailed in his books. Someone pointed out $2 horn bet is also good play on second DC

Nice presentation

Yeah I do something similar. Its like the Iron Cross, but more symmetrical. I bet Dont Pass, then once the point is established I make place bets on the point and odds on the Dont Pass. The Point's place payout should exceed the initial Dont Pass. The rest of the line should have normal place bets. The odds payout should exceed the non-place bets initial moneys. In this way, if a seven is rolled, you will make a little bit of money. If the Point is rolled, you make a little bit of money. 2, 3, 11, 12 do nothing unless you play the field. Else you make money off the non-point place bets. Ideally the point will be a 4 or 10, which affords the most opportunities to make money off the non-point place bets. The Hard 4 and 10 can help amplify your point winnings, but only play those with casino money. High rollers can set up massive boards that bring in $70 to $100 per roll. Then use the constant drip of casino money to bet on the Horn for a massive pay out. As with any Dont Pass rolls, the initial roll can lead to some explosive losses, and recouping those loses takes a long time.

Tried this with slight changes ... 6 & 8 place for 30, (others, (4,5,9 & 10) place for $25 to guarantee $5.00 minimum win)

A small adjustment I would make is hedging the DC bet with a $2 horn bet.

This is not bad. I like the Patrick System more. Pass + Don't Pass on come out roll. Then beef up don't pass odds to hedge. I will do place bets on my DC numbers too. However, I would do $25 DC and $18 or $20 place because I beat the 7 on the DC.

I seen a similar play using this. The only difference is: 4/10 don't $30, making a place/buy bet $20, hits ($36/$39), 7 profit $9/$10 (vig paid upfront), 5/9 don't $30, place bet $25. Hits $35, 7 rolls profit $5. 6/8 on the don't, push on the 7 roll, or win $5. It's still a grinder, but with a little bit better odds on making money with any rolled number.

Interesting one to bring back up. Should get some comments from the new players. Great show man!

I prefer this tactic, but most casinos hate it, and they will rate you with lousy comp if you really like that service. I don't use this strategy in this method but rather cover my initial bets with hopping or lay bets on any don't pass and don't come bets. Always expect a third of all rolls to be 7, 11, or craps, so covering initial bets with a hopping 11, 12, or 2 and have a lay bet will either reduce your loss, break even, or give you an unexpected windfall.

Would it be feasible to also place a small bet on the Horn to cover the odds on the 11? Cant remember the Horn payouts but thinks its like 15:2

Instead of placing a win bet on your don’t comes on the come out roll I take the wins off or turn them off on the come out so if the 7 hits u either brake even if only 1 dc or right back where u we’re if 2 dcs hit

I'm going to try this. I'll mix in a little horn and some hop bets too. Hard ways also.

John Patrick wrote about the system back in his Advanced Craps book in the 70s. With the new tables you can also "hop" or place the five on the second role as a hedge bet. You must have your place bets "working" on the new come out roll. P.S. At $15 on the Don't pass & Don't come bet the 11 for $1.00.

This strategy is similar to the "bet wrong & place the numbers" strategy in Mike Goodmans Your Best Bet book.

Not throwing away but you need to hedge your bets on occasion. If a shooter misses and the dice pass twice without a 7 or 11, place a bet to protect yourself. Nothing too crazy... Same with a snake eyes and 7/11 on a don't come bet. You know yourself best and how the table is rolling.

what if you place a 30 dollar bet on the pass line after the point to cover the don't pass from the point made at anytime

In this kind of grind strategy, where there were long rolls, I'm actually curious how the three point don't (three point dolly) might do. Long term the three point don't is the lowest house edge strategy, of course you have to lay a lot of don't odds which folks don't like to do.

It isn't exactly the same, but couldn't you also place/buy the sister number once the second don't is established? Then you at least have the protection against Big Red, and you have win opportunities with the sister numbers.

Interesting... Theoretically, how would it work if you played this strategy, but with the variant of maxing odds on your DP & DC bets and then covering that with place bets equal to the amount you have at risk for each number? I realize that you'd have a lot on the table at once, but if you have the bankroll for it, wouldn't that approach further reduce house edge?

25:21 noted

The bubble craps i played on didnt allow a place bet on the dont pass but did allow a place bet on the dont come

Cool strategy I will definitely try in Laughlin going for Halloween quick question do you place or buy the point or does it matter? Is there a name for this strategy? Love your videos I will try any strategy just for kicks

Cool strategy.

I stay away from tables that don't offer at least 10x odds. At those tables, rarely do I see players take advantage of this especially the dice influencers. People hate paying taxes, but craps players love paying them. My grind is minimum bet on pass and 5x odds, after hits 6x,8x,10x. Then double pass, 6x,8x,10x etc. Simple with very low house edge,and if you are a good controlled shooter, you will crush the game.

am gonna play this strategy today and hope I win.

I play this all the time bubble craps especially when they have it make 300 points get $75 free play or 1000-point weekends for $250 free play. You can grind it out for hours sometimes I'm siting there 2- 3 hrs It does get boring after awhile. But for a small bankroll usually around $100 you can do it only betting $2-$3 numbers i keep on covering them DCB after hit one until 7 out granted only picking up a small amount but making those comp points that's the key...

I've heard of a "Japanese Businessman" that did this. ;)

Saw another video on this recently, don't remember which channel though.

I think hedging would help keeping you from being wiped-out.

Whoa, shoutout to Wendover. My home casinos!

You can make a don't pass and place bet on Aruze craps machines

I have been dealing craps for decades. Although, there is some useful information here, i believe the strategy is not good. Yes, some dealers will get upset because this is stroking. But you will also upset other gamblers and ,most importantly, the shooter.

You should add field bets to this strategy

Craps is like a roller coaster. Win alot or lose alot. If you play safe you can't afford to be at the table!

When did this get banned? I just played this in Vegas earlier this year! 36 Full Press put this out a while ago, back when I first got into the game.

Wasn't the Blender a 36 Fullpress strategy? Does anyone know whatever happened to him?

Love your videos, wondering if you ever get tired of making them?

Seems like with this strat start your initial roll on the pass line and then do the don’t come bets. But the biggest problem is that you are completely depending on not rolling a 7 on those initial rolls for every one of them. That hurts.

One of the casinos I play at doesn't allow this UNLESS one bet is at least a unit larger than the opposing bet. They also don't allow a doey/don't bet.

I tried something like this before, I ended up leaving the don't, since I have the best of it after a # is established., If you're doing this hedge, you might as well play the pass line with the don't.

Hey Jeremy, I heard another weird thing about Wendover. I heard that you can't set the dice at the Peppermill in Wendover. So this strategy being banned in Wendover, kind of makes sense. Say, Jeremy, I was recently in your neck of the woods. I played craps at the Grand Sierra Resort this past Wednesday. Won $365. Also won $593 at the Nugget the previous day, when someone else was shooting, and the dealer was threatening to ban him from shooting because he was setting the dice, and sometimes the dice would bounce out of bounds. Maybe this dealer came over from Wendover. LOL

I’m probably dumb for asking this…but why not place bet to match your point right from the start? That way it’s not exposed while you build the other 2 don’t comes ?

Does the boxperson or pit boss tell you or do they kick you out ,ban you?

That maybe true with dice, but in the game of baccarat I have created a system that give us a 5.8% edge over the casino.

The massive holes are the 7 & 11 on the come out.

4:50 live roll, 10:00 bad situation

To make this less of a grind, place less so that you win on a number when it rolls or if red comes. The payout odds don’t allow this on the 6/8 unless you’re playing a base bet much higher than $30, but you could place the 5/9 for $25 (wins $5 either side) and buy the 4/10 for $20 (wins $10 either side minus $1 vig). El Toro played it out with $600 base dont bets and still didn’t place less than $600 to guarantee wins, e.g. $500 on 5/9 (wins $100 either side) or $400 buy on 4/10 (wins $200 minus vig). At $600 level you could place $558 on 6/8 (wins $42 or $51). I thought the banned strategy was the doey don’t. Used purely to avoid the 7 or 11 in come out - only the casino can win in the come out on a 12 rolling but some casinos still won’t allow it. No box person can cogently say why that is.

The casino would love to see this one coming. You can't win enough on your piddly place bet profits to cover the losses on the come out 7 or 11. Run this through Win Craps and see how much of a money burner this is.

You can place the point on bubble craps at my casino though. So they don't care lol!

Holy sh!t... I actually came up with this same strategy on my own using a simulator without realizing the strat already existed and was "banned". 😂 Didn't have much success, but my sample size was fairly small. Do you know if it works with online casinos? Might be worth grinding if you can do it from your couch.

played this strategy today and in the hole because I forgot how to play it.

You said at the beginning that this strategy doesn’t work on electronic or bubble Craps machines, why is that? Do they not allow place bets on DC bets?

Will you still be making the elf vids in your other channel

I hop the point with $2ea...stop the yo i bet $2 on yo this will be a $14 hedge to get the three pt blender going

Wouldn’t you hop the sevens for the come out roll?

i see that you dont play odds, is that part of the strategy or are you doing it to make it easier for less experienced people to leaern the game?

Why not instead of doing the last DC first and then place the last two DC's, place each DC as they come out?

Thanks for another great video……..on a side note how about that field goal! My Son was at that game the stadium went wild!

played it yesterday and did not work for me. Played 6,7,8 with dont pass the bar bet and I recovered from my lost playing this banned from casino strategy.

Hey brotha nice video

Too much of a grind for me, but it is good info for anyone that didn’t know not to take down a dont bet but cover it with a place instead.

I don't think casinos should be afraid of this strategy. 😂

will this work with bubble craps?

I know nothing about Craps, but me and my mate have been winning well, but get abuse from dealers. Telling us we are not playing correctly, even though winning thousands

Isn't a don't come a contract bet? Shouldn't that win as soon as a 7 is rolled while the place or buy bets follow the point?

20:40 every craps player .........

I don't understand y in this system u would put place bets out if u have 2 DCs n the point off. Technically, u should b at the most advantageous time considering that there r more 7s than any other losing # rolled. 1 # covers the DP n 1 # is profit if the 7 rolls, which it did 4 u 2 times here. Let them ride 4 one roll. If u did that, u would've been -$34 instead of *$154. U risk the same more often on pre-point doing the same thing w/ the DP.

To me that looks kinda corky having a place and don't come bet on the same number. I need to know my odds better. So I can play sharper & closer.

Free drink system we had a guy at Jerry’s play this way for free drinks

My casino wont let you do this. The reason why i dont know, but they specifically tell you that you cant hedge like that there. You have to put more money into one or the other.

Do you sell crap mats at your store

Finally a half decent strategy............ What took so long to post it?

If the play goes according to plan, couldn't a bigger bank role make big money? Say $200 instead of $30?

I don't have enough patience for this sh*t 😂

Why not bet the DC and the come at same time to protect the dc from a 7 and protect the come from 2 & 3 only number to hurt you is a 12

IDK, IMO I would hate to be the guy at the table playing this strategy. Maybe if it was mid-day and I was the only person at the table trying to kill time by myself, but if there is a full table I wouldn't do this.

The Wendover casinos are being ridiculous. They are small casinos who sweat the money. Accordingly, with most players playing the “right way”, a player like this actually acts as a hedge for the house (if all bettors bet oppositely, the house edge would win out in the end with low volatility for the house).

What is the "Standard" strategy? 🤔

I think you made a mistake when you took down the place bet of the point ( the 5 ) and left it naked.

The odds of the 9 or 11 is the same as the odds of the 7, iirc.

you could play with a partner.

7’s on the come out roll will wipe you out! Don’t worry they will come.

These grinder systems always end in the worst outcome…. Ur grinding towards bankruptcy

You could play a come bet to hedge, but this is ridiculous betting so much with house odds

The part he fails to mention is a dont pass bet to even get this started has a good chance of failing.. all to get setup to make small profits

Your chance of getting two DON'TS without a 7 or 11 is only 50%. That's like flipping a coin just to get this started.

Casinos discourage this by not rewarding for comp value? Yet they reward your standard strategy which yielded a huge win….

every time i try this, it grinds my money away

I just saw this strategy expect they place a come with the dont lol besides that i do the place and dont bet dealers have been talking shiiit. I place and lay sometimes and they still talk shit!!!!

At 25:30 you lose the place bets 😢, systems don’t work EVER

After point is made leave the place bets off then if you throw a 7 you don't lose your place bets

I've been watching a lot of this guys, videos. He does a good job, but I noticed he throws a lot of sevens and elevens, usually at the wrong time.