Combustion-Free Hot Water at the Whole Systems Research Farm
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Making Soil and Hot Water at the Same Time:
Testing the first generation of Jean Pain woody-compost water-heating mound at Whole Systems Design's Vermont hill farm. We are now 2 months into testing our first mound and the results are astounding with hot water able to be harvested from the mound at a rate of about 1 gallon/minute at 120 F continuously, or cycles of 145F water harvested in 30 gallon amounts. We will be using this mound to make soil for the gardens and fruiting perennials on the farm and for in-soil bed heating of our greenhouse for season extension.
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@ShiverHinge 10 жыл бұрын
The water isn't the only hot thing in that tub! ;)
@HisWordsAreTruth 10 жыл бұрын
Never thought I'd see soft core Permaporn......but there we have it.
@MistressOP 7 жыл бұрын
i know right. lol there' another shirtless video. besides thi one.
@vsoton 4 жыл бұрын
permaporn jajaj new concept
@Lammont38 9 жыл бұрын
I like how the ducks walk right past the dog, and the dog gets out of their way.
@wholesystems 11 жыл бұрын
This pile lasted maybe 3-4 months hot, then cooled down to 115 f. Then we moved it in the spring and it heated back up to 150F and has been there for 2 months at that level of heat.
@myxomatosisity9977 2 күн бұрын
Neat idea. I cant imagine this working is proper winter. Vermonts average winter temp is pretty timid
@PermacultureHomestead 10 жыл бұрын
by far one of the greatest ideas yet,
@coryhenriksen4759 10 жыл бұрын
Love your vids man! Thank you for sharing such valuable information! I cant wait to try this at my future homestead! Booyah!!
@gr8light 10 жыл бұрын
what a brilliant creation. thanks so much for posting, must share
@Whoelsebutjones 8 жыл бұрын
Love what you do.
@ShiverHinge 10 жыл бұрын
How often does the pile need rebuilding?
@leeroyallen9053 5 жыл бұрын
wonderful.
@wholesystems 11 жыл бұрын
The mound is now 115 degrees F and it's been about 4 months...
@H4v0kksh0tgunMan Ай бұрын
I did it
@martinbernal5693 10 жыл бұрын
Ben, How many times where you about to reuse the straw bales?
@brettmciver432 8 жыл бұрын
like this a lot want to know if i build a box 4m long by 1m deep by 1m high what sort of heat (if i follow your best recipe) how long would it last and what is the heat output per meter? thanks
@rawutah 11 жыл бұрын
wow!!!!!!!
@martinbernal5693 10 жыл бұрын
And how many activators did you have to put in the pile?
@rachelzekri 3 жыл бұрын
How long before needing to change the compost?
@RebDalmas 7 жыл бұрын
Could you hook it up to your home heating system? Or, Duh, is that the next step?
@wholesystems 11 жыл бұрын
It does cool it down - a little but not too significantly - so many factors though. We did not tap off this heavily.
@our.apothecary 11 жыл бұрын
R u cooling down the compost by running cold water through it. Did u test a control pile to see decompose time? Thank you sir
@SarahBEtv 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome! How long did the hot water last for? I make hot compost, but they cool down after 4 weeks, which is still a good long time to make hot water.
@DustinMarsau 6 жыл бұрын
I have a few technical questions on compost heating as I plan to design compost heat into our farm, initially to heat seedling germination tables in a hoop house. 1. Have you tried any other specific lengths of heating coil, other than the 800ft you used. (envisioning a 1/2" NPT thermometer in a T joint at every 100ft coil) ya know, in order to minimize pipe cost/usage 2. looks like the poly pipe you used is rated for 80 Fahrenheit, so how has that held up over the years of usage? Thinking of using PEX pipe as opposed to poly, to maybe avoid plastic toxin leeching 3. What have you used for a pump and is it pumping hot water / rated for hot water, just well water pressure perhaps for your shower, but what about a recirculating heating system. i assume pulling the water from the cold manifold through the system, controlled with a thermostat
@wholesystems 6 жыл бұрын
I used a grundfos circulator i had, had no issues with heat on the tubing but pex might be better. i would only do this again with the coil contained in a frame like a hog panel for removal...
@stumblinglaughing 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting! This is phenomenal, what kind of tubing did you use?
@wholesystems 5 жыл бұрын
3/4" poly.. standard water line.. cheap, accessible.
@davidoutdoors74 3 жыл бұрын
Hello I was wondering if you are still using compost heat. Thanks
@wholesystems Жыл бұрын
we are not - it wasn't worth the work to undo the pile - need to have the tubing consolidated better/attached to itself. Also our wood hot water system just works better...
@SlySly741 7 жыл бұрын
Cool proof of concept! Do you think that the energy output is greater than that of the fuels and calories used to produce, aquire, and construct all the parts of this system?
@myxomatosisity9977 2 күн бұрын
Depends how you equate it. Manure is a byproduct of another system so it doesn't really require input to produce unless you consider all systems together.
@falcoperegrantus 10 жыл бұрын
amazing! How long does the heat last for?
@wholesystems 10 жыл бұрын
Lasted for about 2 months until it cooled down a lot - which was less than expected. Then we moved the pile in spring and it heated up again for the whole summer - too hot to put you hand in. So, it ran out of air - gotta make these with more air flow!
@albybrandon5349 9 жыл бұрын
Ben Falk maybe try static aeration with a bunch of perforated pvc also laid in that heap, then blow air (jacuzzi motor) in as needed when the temp goes down and see if energy budget is favorable. could be quiet good if that heat is put to good use
@BoardGameClub 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid - the website you plugged around 0:15 says compostpower.com but I think it should actually be compostpower.org
@phillipwade9046 7 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to do the same thing in 55 gallon drums?
@wholesystems 7 жыл бұрын
No -not nearly enough mass.
@Ihaveausernametoo 7 жыл бұрын
The bacteria that creates the heat increases exponentially with size. Bigger is better. You can get heat with smaller piles, especially if you maintain/turn them often, but then it won't last all that long. The size of this pile is IMO the minimum to go for. You can adapt the recipe to what you have available locally.
@dgoldstein6782 7 жыл бұрын
Would you been concerned if the manure was from animals fed GMO products
@antonradoev5929 2 жыл бұрын
What about the smell?
@wholesystems 2 жыл бұрын
It's a highly aerobic pile and smells great.
@user-ej4ws9wm8z 9 жыл бұрын
Ваув!
@BoardGameClub 11 жыл бұрын
Hah starts out like a porn. Love it.
@wholesystems 11 жыл бұрын
Yeah, funny - the music isn't that far off either!
@Dee-qo7gh 9 жыл бұрын
Like how the ducks walks right past the dog like they know him and he gets out of their way. Why cant humans live peaceefully like that. Id rather live with animals their more civilized to me, they neaver plot behind youre back and once you feed them thier youre friends for life, unlike humans.
@trobbjr75 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a friend for life to anyone that feeds me, too! lol
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