Nic W. Yes! That was the MOST important part of this conversation for me.

She's certainly the most switched on and eloquent of speakers on this panel. But I did think she lost the plot a little bit on 'knowing your worth'. There is no way that anyone sits down in a career vacuum and says to themselves, 'What am I worth?' and then comes up with a figure of several hundred thousands dollars per episode. It is entirely relative to what others have already made in similar positions and what you can get away with negotiating. That said, I hope to God she's getting paid equal or more than Anthoy Anderson because she IS that show. Well... her and Jenifer Lewis.

but if u are "ok" with being uncomfortable, then that just mean you're not uncomfortable, and ur in full control of yourself; not allowing a person to take advantage of any non-physical characteristics you might have. So i guess the true answer is to just not care what anyone thinks of u no matter how u feel when u hear it. Just stay in control of yourself and you'll stay true to yourself.

Yes -- in the uncomfortable spaces, growth occurs!

Volvican Well yeah that’s clearly what she means. It depends on your career and what you have a hand in. She doesn’t mean literally you can make hundreds of thousands of dollars in your job.

She should write a book. She has so much wisdom & all these helpful tools she shares on her KZfaq channel that would really help people.

spiders spider Diana Ross did an amazing job raising that girl.

She was an AMAZING guest on RuPaul's "What's the Tee?" podcast!!

I agree, and I am sure Miss Ross is very proud of her daughter!

That’s a cool idea 💡

the truth!

A university degree doesn't make you intelligent, trust me.

It's just "

Tracee is life Use your privilege Know your worth. ( there should be more women of colour at this table)

@@forgetfulstranger sure but she just is

meh..

Drew was hating for real,...

I thought I was the only one who saw it! Drew was especially rude when she attempted to school Tracee on how to talk about pay-equality and not bash men properly. I could sense a lot of tension around the table at times and they tried to laugh it off.

Yall hating for real. They're friends and supporters of one another. Let's not make this about pitting women against each other.

It was so strange reading your comment, I thought that I had written it a long time ago and forgotten, I had to check the name! Simply because 1) We both understand the true meaning of feminism. And 2) Our stories of boys stalking us are identical. In high school, this boy became infatuated with me. I let him down in a very nice way (as we're taught. Don't make them feel uncomfortable, don't make them feel undesired, lest you face the consequences.) He took this to mean he had a chance, and waited for every opportunity he could to talk to me. Began by standing five feet behind me during lunch, waiting for an opening. (Apparently oblivious to the fact I was completely ignoring him) It progressed to following me everywhere. To the bathrooms, waiting outside them for me. My girlfriends stepped up, never leaving me alone and trying to talk sense into them. It wasn't until I had to get my MALE friends to intervene that it stopped. But not until he cornered me "apologizing" for being "apparently creepy, I'm not creepy, you're just a slut". I was terrified. But glad it was over. It was then that I realized these types only respect what other men have to say. And they wonder why we so quickly say we have boyfriends as an out, because often the only thing some men respect about us are the men we're involved with.

Amanda Hair holly sh1t! That sounds like what I’ve experienced in high school as well. But in my case he was the ‘popular hot guy ‘ in my school truth be told he wasn’t hot just plain old creepy and weird looking. Anyway After I reported him to my teacher she literally told me it was coz I’m one of the few minority students , this was small town in the Netherlands and I’m an African (Eritrea) . She made it sound like since I’m ‘exotic ‘ I should take it as an flattering. Dude was doing exactly the same things as your stalker did to you. The stalking , missing stuff from my bag , staring in the class everything you mentioned. I had to let him down with some bs story about my parents being racists and wouldn’t let me date white guy. Even though I have an older sister who’s married to an Italian man and my parents are ok with it . Even after that he wouldn’t stop until my male friends intervened. I was barely 15 and overwhelmed and terrified. In his ‘apology’ was how he never found black people attractive but was willing to give ME a chance. Since I’m a good looking for a negro it turned literally into full blown racism!!! If those two boys hadn’t threatened him dude might have started bullying me. Glad its over for you and for me but I wonder what kind of men they turn into when they become an adult.

@@kayanurshiya3778 That's insane, especially how you were supposed to be flattered, since he didn't normally find people of color attractive. Like, wow! The guy that stalked me was rather.. unfortunate looking to put it nicely. Never had a girlfriend, so he was going at it with everything he could. Brought up the recent breakup I had, talking shit about my ex. He thought that would get him into my good graces, but I really just didn't want to talk about it. Ended up telling him I wasn't ready for any kind of relationship, but he interpreted that as he had a chance. This was a long time ago, but he spent many years sending me Facebook messages about once a month. Still trying after all those years. I believe he finally got a girlfriend, and I was so happy so he could stop focusing on me. (I mean, we're talking YEARS later, and he still was obsessed even though he didn't even know me at all at that point.) I'm sorry for what you went through though, it's far worse. You had to sit there and listen to the blatant racism, not just from him, but your teacher justifying it. It's already hard enough going to school in another country, you shouldn't have had to deal with that as well. Let's hope, for other women's sake, that they've grown up and realized the error of their ways.

Amanda Hair this is strange same happened to me as well after school . mine also stalked me on Facebook YEARS LATER but more like bragging about his fiancé. Who happens to be mixed race and he was like “look she looks so much like you “! the only thing she and I had in common was curly hair. She looked more white than he did with almost alabaster skin , blond hair and goddamn blue eyes!! So I blocked him and never spoke to him again but not before I told him exactly what I thought of him. I heard they broke up and he’s been asking people about me. High school was over yrs ago and we barely knew each other too!! yeah that teacher even talked about how black girls are naturally more curvier and have wide set of birthing hips. Amanda people thought I was anorexic at that age so I was like what curves ? and even if I had curves ( which I didn’t) does that make his behaviour ok. I was born and raised in the Netherlands so it wasn’t really difficult to live there but we moved to small town were you couldn’t find white people with brown hair let alone people with different skin complexion . Seriously both you and I dodged a bullet clearly our stalkers weren’t mentally sounding guys. I’m sorry that happened to you as well but It did made you stronger as it did with me. Ever since I have learned to say NO NOT INTERESTED. instead of trying to come up with bs story as to WHY I’m not interested.

@@soieatlizards9340 I never did find out why mine started stalking me. I luckily moved away before 8th grade. But even so I've told guys no before then somehow it turned around on me for having the audacity to reject them. It's terrifying to feel powerless in a situation or to be blamed. I'm sorry that happened to you. Mine was really creepy looking and had that scrawny, emo look about him that characterized the mid to late 2000s.

YES

ASMR CITY Listen Ms. Ross is one class ass woman. She knows how to intellectually put folks in their place and Drew wasn’t ready.

Blackish is brilliant

U should get on that

Girlfriends = phenomenal Blackish = enlightening

I was thinking the same thing. If there is one industry that a decent person wouldn't want to work in, it's Hollywood. Hollywood is just too filthy in SO many ways! There are things that have happened and happen that we as the viewers don't even see or here about.

Novella Cinephile well she’s not a comedy actress mainly, so she wouldn’t be in this panel. But I 100% agree with you, Viola is a fucking boss.

MagentaPhilosophy good pt. I was only thinking of talent and not the genre these women tend to work in. Watched this really late at night-didn’t think of that aspect. Binged Dear White People on Netflix and loved it. Dramedy. Extremely well written, but the cast is much younger than these ladies.

Except Viola HAS been on a THR panel. Why do people comment on something that they’ve done no research on?!?!

Did you see the guys in that movie tho

Tracee Ellis Ross can not hide from her Brown University degree because she's so freaking intelligent in such a natural calm way.

True feminism has never been about tearing down men. It's about women feeling free to do what they want without being apologetic about it. It's about being viewed as equal. As a woman, it is hard not to bear the shame of another's actions. I remember when I was in 7th grade, I was stalked by a male classmate. I thought it was funny at first and then shifted my thinking to "I must've done something wrong". Yet what could i a 12 year old girl have done wrong to deserve a boy following me to all of my classes and waiting outside the bathroom for me, my bus, staring and making faces at me in class, and stealing things from my locker. It definitely bothered me for a longtime, but it never really occurred to me to report it. I think what Drew needs to understand is there's a difference between accountability and a take down. Accountability is holding someone responsible for their actions.

Tracee Ellis Ross should have a podcast. She is such a delight to listen to-- she always have such great insight! Love her

MovieObsessed YESSSS! I was searching the comments to see if anyone has else had mentioned this! They even talk and sound the same!

Constance Wu is not currently nominated for Best Actress in a Comedy TV Series, which is what this panel is.

This was filmed before the nominations went out-- this is essentially part of the awards campaign, the 'for your consideration' part where actors/actresses go and discuss their roles and everything related to the industry in order to garner attention to their work, showcase what they're doing, discuss film and television, and fight for a nomination. Wu could and should have been invited, as I am sure she participates in awards campaign

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I felt two type-a ways about that. On the one hand, so tired of white folks acting like they can't pronounce black folks name. Like they don't seem to struggle with lengthy, hard to pronounce white European names, so sound that shit out and allow yourself to be corrected for f's sake. But on the other hand, she did just straight up admit her concern for mis-speaking, and allowed herself to graciously be informed, which is admirable.

James Bradford preach! Because some of these Eastern Euro names are a killer, but then I put on my big girl panties and work it the fuck out. And you know what, no one's mad.

Those are good points. Though you say people don't struggle with European names and I am always cringing at Americans and Hollywood always butchering Irish-Gaelic names and make a big fuss over how "crazy" they are and that's not a problem. It's of course different I imagine when there is a racial component and it is of course a bigger issue when it's Americans and Hollywood struggling with minority communities' names.

You hit the nail on the head there re: the racial component, but you are right - for some reason Americans do struggle with Gaelic names and words. It does kind of come down to the fact that we don't see them very often, and the groupings of vowels and the way those are sounded out in Gaelic have absolutely no resemblance to the English language. Like the name Aoife, for instance. If we were to sound that out in English based on literally every other word that groups those vowels together, we would say the "a" with a sound similar to "ray", then Oy Fuh; it would never occur to us to pronounce "Aoi" as "e" as in "sea".

Yeah I totally understand how it happens and it has different meaning socially when people butcher Irish names. Side rant though how I can't help cringe when it becomes ten-minute talk show banter "how weird those name/that language is" especially within the context of that language being stripped away from the Irish people by force and that contributing to the rest of the worlds ignorance toward it. I cringe doubly so when its people with Irish heritage acting so confused because again, part of the reason their ancestors didn't pass it down to them is with regards to a brutal history. But alas its not a big deal, just kind of an annoyance. Since Irish people are lucky enough to be treated as the privileged white now it's truly just a first-world problem.

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Oh please be quiet already and let a woman speak.

Like you didn't even make a single point in this comment.

Yeah for real. Even if there is disparity in Hollywood pay, they still make top 1% salaries. You can't even begin to compare that to average middle class $40-80k.

anders damin it's relevant because they could afford a good lawyer and have representation and people they can hire to work with them and protect them. Obviously for many women in Hollywood this didn't help but they at least have the resources that a waitress being raped by a bartender doesnt have. Every case of sexual assault is important and worth our concern, but while people are spending months talking about Harvey Weinstein there are serial rapists that are free and may always be free because their victim's aren't celebrities.

+Dallas Jayde: The movement of Time's Up was also about collecting money to help people who couldn't afford to pay for a good lawyer. They are very well aware of their privileged position and are using that platform to help others.

+Dylan Blue: About equal pay; doesn't matter the amount of money, the conversation stays the same. That's the point. It's about breaking the taboo and starting a conversation.

Every word you said is true, but I think the thing that Tracee and Drew put into perspective together/jointly (which by the way I thought was BEAUTIFUL and inspiring) is that there is a certain degree of self-directed shame by wealthy women in Hollywood when they DO demand pay equality *because* of the fact that they're in essence negotiating ten million instead of five million in a world where, for instance, women are being sexually trafficed. But they go on to clarify that even at the top it's important to set a precedent because, for better or worse, the world looks to public figures to set a tone. Maybe if this shit gets sorted out at 'the top', it will establish a standard that women with less power can demand. The duality of it all was so gorgeously discussed by them. I really appreciated their dialog.

Yes, more black and brown women really need to be nominated for awards so they can participate in these panels.

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These are structured where they have new people each time (or try to as much as possible) while also having people that have current, relevant work. So if anything, this should just highlight the lack of popular representation of POC in the industry and WOC, in particular which is itself sad.

This video seemed incomplete because of it

Such a lack of conservatist representation too, huge part of the conversation is missing.

Drew spoke too much in this discussion and it was always to essentially say "but..." She has a different opinion to a lot of what is said here and use a starting line of "I agree..." To fog that

@@Noloyiso_M Barrymore has never been the smartest gal in the park...too much fluff.

I don't think that's what she was doing. I don't think they agreed completely, but I would say she might have been trying to get more clarification.

She didn't do that. She just expressed a different opinion. People are allowed to disagree.

probably from years of abuse

Because you know her so well right?

That is untrue

Leeloo Dallas I was wondering the same thing.

I bet she was too busy promoting DP2. These are taped a few months in advance to releasing. But I LOVE her! Such a natural charisma.

Tyson Wheeler I figure the same thing. Timing is everything.

Zazie Beetz was not nominated in this category so it would make no sense for her to be in this panel.

I think they usually choose the actors most likely to get Emmy nominations for the roundtable.

LOL she just got nominated for supporting actress, I think she was probably doing press for Deadpool 2 when they filmed.

PS TER reps so well. Mad respect.

Pretty sure that isn't her job.

Yea tokenism is pretty easy to spot

They did not intentionally leave out black and brown women in this panel. The panel is the women currently nominated for Best Actress in a Comedy TV Series. That's what these panels are. The issue is that black and brown women are not being nominated, but that's a different and separate issue.

James nominated for which award?

Seriously, I was so frustrated with her.

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Totally

#ThatPart

Yeah I️ love her but what was she going on about??

Lolll I love Drew tho

She trying not to rock the boat because she sellls her make up to the right and the left.

If people don’t understand what she’s on about you are lacking some life experience. I understood everything she was talking about while the others were just quoting shit they herd before. Drew the only one on that table that spoke for the heart and didn’t quote the same old shit.

xGood Onex Issa was invited last year. Gina was on the roundtable two years ago.

Totally agree! I wonder why they never invite Constance Wu on their panel. She portrays one of the most comedic characters on TV and yet she keeps getting overlooked. Plus she's always been very outspoken about pay inequality and sexual harassment. I would have loved having her on the panel.

Because Constance Wu is not currently nominated for Best Actress in a Comedy TV Series, and these women are. That is what this panel is.

Because Issa Rae and Gina Rodriguez are not currently nominated for Best Actress in a Comedy TV Series, and these women are. That is what this panel is.

You're giving incorrect information. Debra Messing wasn't nominated either for her role in Will and Grace in 2017 or 2018. Neither was Molly Shannon for her role in Divorce. Debra had her star in the Hollywood walk of Fame and Molly won an award for a movie. You can check. And even so. In previous years, 2015 & 2016 when Constance Wu was nominated for her role in Fresh off the Boat, she was NEVER invited. So our questions are still valid. Why was Constance never invited when she was nominated. She deserves to be there. She was nominated again in 2018. We'll see if they finally invite her for their next roundtable.

Ha. I didn't get to the 50 minute mark before I wrote this, so I missed Molly and Rachel gently telling the room aka Drew that is ok to disagree ha. I am genuinely rooting for all of them.

Yes Constance Wu

OMG. I just answer to another comment asking for more WOC and I mentioned Constance Wu too. I'm so glad to see that she is really appreciated. I hope the people at THR read the comment section.

Do you think being a child star in the 80s was sunshine and roses?

@@NoThankUBeQuiet Just from that stand point I would have thought she would be more attuned with the rest of the panel instead she came across as fearful and in turn without a real voice.

Except for Drew Barrymore

Yeah. An african american women roundtable would be cool. A roundtable for each race would show the world how we see the world as, yes - all women, but from our different SHARED cultures.

I agree that that got cringey, but in her defense she did say she just came from some kind of a panel where they were talking about mothers' concerns as to how it will affect young boys who are coming up in this era and seeing a LOT of rage directed at men and not understanding it's origin. However I think probably explaining the origin of the rage and guiding young boys to change is probably more important than worrying about if they feel torn down.

i think young boys will know that any anger is towards injustice perpetrated by men and it will inform thier sense of morality and protect them from turing into sexists of misogynists. there's been disrespect towards women for the whole of history we arent as a people trying to recreate that towards men just prevent it in general.

Too often I see men attempt to take part in these conversations and at any point of disagreement with the women, they'll be shot down as misogynists and sexist scum. So, it's pretty hypocritical and disingenuous of feminists to claim that it's SO IMPORTANT to have these conversations, then shut down and shame at the first point of disagreement. It's what too many liberals are too quick to do with crying wolf about someone being sexist/racist/homophobic. It's language used to force someone to be on the defensive or to shout down into silence. Nobody wants a 'conversation', just hive mind obedience. That's part of what is never discussed, pretending that this hypocritical nature of feminism doesn't exist and isn't extremely sexist in its own regard. Women can be plenty hateful and prejudiced against men, it most definitely is a thing. There's no conversation when a lot of guys are punished for partaking. I'm reminded of the very telling Minnie Driver/Matt Damon incident, been so many others since then. Since you were born a man you have no right to speak of sexual assault so SHUT YOUR MOUTH. So much for the whole free speech/equality thing. I'm afraid the post before mine is just overly optimistic and quite tone deaf.

ExireHG of course what your saying does occur but these women are just not feminist they may call themselves feminists and their intention may be to speak truth about injustice faced by women but if you are dismissing someone's opinion out of hand because of their sex, sure that's not feminist, not egalitarian and like you say that's sexist. There are plenty of people who say and do racist things but will not accept they are racist well the other can also be true that someone identifies themselves as belonging to a progressive group (or as I like to call it a group made of the population who don't condone sexism and work to eradicate it) and yet not understand the core tenants of that group. However, there is a difference between sexism and dismissing someone's opinion because their perspective is ignorant and badly informed and lacks logic afforded by experience and or empathy and this is in my experience the more common occurrence when men's opinions on equality are criticised. Often some men seem to want to make it about their gender because they think they can, since women so often do, however, women only make it about gender because we still live in systematic sexism.