Comic Book Pressing 101- A quick tutorial on cleaning, humidity and pressing comics

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Bronze And Modern Gods

Bronze And Modern Gods

3 жыл бұрын

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@nickc8594
@nickc8594 2 жыл бұрын
I just cleaned and pressed my first book using this tutorial, and it turned out SO GREAT. I did the whole thing with my 12yo, and it was a great father-son bonding experience. And, WOW, you were just spot on about all of this -- the results wildly exceeded my expectations. Thank you so much -- this has really helped me.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 2 жыл бұрын
So good to hear - congrats!!!
@wiredawg2005
@wiredawg2005 2 жыл бұрын
Nice...specifically about the father, son bonding. :) What book did you press and did you send it in for CGC grading?
@nickc8594
@nickc8594 2 жыл бұрын
​@@wiredawg2005 We pressed Eternals #9 (first appearance of Sprite). We haven't sent it in to CGC yet, but if I do I'll post an update!
@Chelsea-vt3ib
@Chelsea-vt3ib Жыл бұрын
Is it easy to send it in because i have a Batman book that sells for 1500 and it’s mint I don’t know how to send it in at all LOL
@zandelscomicsandcards7543
@zandelscomicsandcards7543 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many irreplaceable books have been ruined by people attempting this stuff they didn’t know what they were doing. Glad you’re putting this information out there. Great video.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it, Jonathan - thank you.
@saleens330
@saleens330 Жыл бұрын
Always practice with books with no value.
@christopherlacher3544
@christopherlacher3544 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THAT SMELL TOO BRO! Nothing else like it.
@ABDLAZ
@ABDLAZ 3 жыл бұрын
You can get this from Amazon. You can get that from Amazon, but my towels I like to get them from Hilton. Haha! That's so funny.
@jonnytalkscomics7807
@jonnytalkscomics7807 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. It was nice to see the process. Did you ever receive it back from CGC? I couldn’t see any follow up video.
@Iceblaze3k
@Iceblaze3k 3 жыл бұрын
Thought this was a great video. One of the best pressing/cleaning videos ive seen, thanks. Subbed
@nerdyfather8897
@nerdyfather8897 3 жыл бұрын
AMAZING VIDEO!!!! I'm a presser and cleaner as well but i learned a few things from this video.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you - I'm always learning!
@haromaster6086
@haromaster6086 3 жыл бұрын
This was absolutely a great tutorial. Well done. I’m really looking forward to watching a lot more of your channel.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Stick around for a Modern book pressing tutorial coming soon.
@johnwayne2103
@johnwayne2103 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tutorial. I would have used a Metal ruler along that Comic book edge. Razors have a weird way of tracking oddly on plastic and a possibility of running right into the book. You can buy a large one at Hobby Lobby and go to the website and download a 15% off coupon.
@cclouse14
@cclouse14 3 жыл бұрын
This was a great video. Thanks for sharing!
@super-villain800
@super-villain800 3 жыл бұрын
I could never put a razor blade or knife that dang close to my comic books, sir. You are braver than I, my friend. Thanks for the video
@ganjjabarsmedium2347
@ganjjabarsmedium2347 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic breakdown my friend 👌
@dmajor2262
@dmajor2262 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t comment on videos much, but I actually have some advice that may be useful. I crack a ton of slabs, and the absolute easiest way is with a cheap bench vise from Harbor Freight. Just crack the plastic on 3 corners and out the book comes. No risk of bending and causing any extra damage. Super easy, and super safe.
@wylier
@wylier 2 жыл бұрын
I have done 'pressing' in a basic, low-tech way. I simply placed the issues with spine roll underneath some heavy books, making sure that the issue was properly 'aligned' as I placed it under the weight of the books. I just kept them there a few days, and that solved the problem of the spine roll.
@BustaBustDaDog
@BustaBustDaDog 2 жыл бұрын
Love the Kamandi tshirt!
@bfung66
@bfung66 3 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial on pressing John!
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🙏🏻
@tadaoentertainment
@tadaoentertainment 2 жыл бұрын
In the 80’s and 90’s, collectors used to call those indentations or spine ticks, “creases”.
@hackinglife9710
@hackinglife9710 3 жыл бұрын
What a great video. Thank you very much
@blenderhead7356
@blenderhead7356 2 жыл бұрын
Those gloves came in real handy 😂. Cool vid.
@cariboutrailcrafts7506
@cariboutrailcrafts7506 Жыл бұрын
Really informative video !! Thanks for the resto-tips, and step by step instructions. Please post up sometime what the comic got re-graded at !! Thanks for sharing, Tom
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods Жыл бұрын
Here's the result - spoiler: no bump, but looks better. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rMydltWJmLK7gHU.html
@mattheximer8299
@mattheximer8299 3 жыл бұрын
I would avoid the compressed air... too much risk of a condensation moisture bubble hitting your book. Use a photo gear squeeze ball air blower instead.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Ooo, that’s a great idea!
@RLucas3000
@RLucas3000 3 жыл бұрын
@@BronzeAndModernGods Did the rated Strange Tales 115 come back better than 4.5 or worse? The cover looked so pristine and gorgeous to me i was shocked it was as low as a 4.5!
@wiredawg2005
@wiredawg2005 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same...
@Plaintext11
@Plaintext11 2 жыл бұрын
The canned air will be chemically "dry", that's why its used on live electronics. Now an air compressor like you'd see in a garage or a very small one that draws on atmosphere will definatly condense moisture and spray droplets.
@samuelcatoe1927
@samuelcatoe1927 Жыл бұрын
The canned air might be chemically dry, but if you get too close it causes a layer of frost to form on the surface which could cause moisture damage. I never tried it on paper, but I've seen canned air frost both Legos and resin statues.
@scottlambe7987
@scottlambe7987 3 жыл бұрын
That was an excellent video and thank you. Well done..
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that is appreciated!
@miketalife
@miketalife Жыл бұрын
Cool. I never knew the process till this video
@MOGO8907
@MOGO8907 3 жыл бұрын
I'm taking notes dude, awesome video!
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@northgardencomics
@northgardencomics 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Definitely going to have to check out the Kaptain Myke links. Thanks!
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@pingadol1555
@pingadol1555 3 жыл бұрын
Like the little towel trick.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Makes it so much easier!
@dsymms8527
@dsymms8527 2 жыл бұрын
A good pair of shears is more controllable. Great video.
@jontnoneya3404
@jontnoneya3404 3 жыл бұрын
Ok that was very informative but where's the follow up vid? I can't seem to find it in your videos.
@joshualemoine7470
@joshualemoine7470 2 жыл бұрын
Be careful with the compressed air! At the wrong angle, liquid may come out of the can and onto you book! Awesome video! So many useful tips here. Thank you!
@VeganHeretic
@VeganHeretic 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and an extra thumbs up for the Monkees T-shirt !!!
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 2 жыл бұрын
Frodis Room!
@ncritchlow1
@ncritchlow1 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!!! There are shavings everywhere!!!!!
@marscomics9698
@marscomics9698 3 жыл бұрын
Such a great video, thanks for sharing the knowledge, I really appreciate it. Just subbed you up.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@cgcsportsillustrated5290
@cgcsportsillustrated5290 3 жыл бұрын
I just started pressing and am struggling to get all the bends and waves out of my covers. I'm following your instructions and wondered if you could give me couple of ideas of what to try next that might fix it? Thank you!
@silvertrooper6
@silvertrooper6 2 жыл бұрын
For those interested, here are the results of the CGC regrade! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rMydltWJmLK7gHU.html Thanks for sharing! Feel free to pin this comment or yours.
@theboredtrucker3898
@theboredtrucker3898 2 жыл бұрын
showgirls, such a great movie. It moves me just to think of the struggles of a young woman trying to make it big and express herself through the artform known as dance!
@mrrictus
@mrrictus 4 ай бұрын
With my occasional bad luck I'd probably tear my comic with the cleaning putty lol. Thanks for the tutorial.
@johnalessi1835
@johnalessi1835 2 жыл бұрын
Its a hell of a lot quicker and easier to use a small steamer to add humidity to the book. Also takes up less room. Just be sure to keep it six inches away and to let run a bit for before exposing it to the pages so it won't drip water. Use distilled water and put on each page until you see a slight curl of the pages.dont soak it . Plenty of videos on KZfaq showing that method. I'm no newbie. Been into comics since the 70s. Great video though and good tips. Side note: if using paper inside make sure it's inkjet paper NOT Laserjet paper Laserjet can pull color
@battlestar7779
@battlestar7779 2 жыл бұрын
Use a metal straightedge (I.e.- metal ruler) when removing inner well from the actual book- just a thought.
@RAG718
@RAG718 3 жыл бұрын
never heard or seen the 3 magazine method for both ends of the comic during pressing ,, interesting
@flynngames4703
@flynngames4703 2 жыл бұрын
Good lord I had no idea that pressing was such a process. Impressive
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 2 жыл бұрын
It’s almost zen to me now.
@MrPelletty
@MrPelletty 6 ай бұрын
I have 2 of those machines. you can take some barkeepers friend and water and clean the top to make is look better. Also I like to use an Aluminum bottom plate so that the book receives heat from both sides evenly.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tips!
@philmartinez1872
@philmartinez1872 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Mockingbird650
@Mockingbird650 3 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@chrisbeddingfield4461
@chrisbeddingfield4461 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just trying to learn so I gotta ask, when you were handling it at first you had gloves, how come not after it came out of the humidifier? You guys are awesome, my new go to for stuff like this. Thanks guys!
@Brad_Jenkins
@Brad_Jenkins 3 жыл бұрын
I wanna do this to my Shazam! #11 The Captain Marvel Family New Year's Issue
@Highsteel21
@Highsteel21 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Did it come back?
@hoardershide
@hoardershide 3 жыл бұрын
Suggestion for you. Pick up a piece of 1/4" plexiglass the same size as your press. That way you can build your stack and then just pick up the piece of plexi and slide it in and clamp it down. You will obviously need to adjust your press for the extra 1/4", and possibly adjust your baking time a little. I use that trick with my seal 500 T and it has made things so much nicer. I have multiple sheets and can get my next set ready to go while the first set is baking/cooling.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
What a great idea!
@hoardershide
@hoardershide 3 жыл бұрын
@@BronzeAndModernGods got to go with the least quarter or half. I tried thinner and the heat would cause it to warp slightly which I'm assuming over long-term use could be detrimental. So far zero problems with quarter inch. Two sheets of half inch double was a very good cold press once you pull the book out if you want a slightly quicker turnaround time on getting your next one in
@xXxAmadeuzxXx
@xXxAmadeuzxXx 3 жыл бұрын
I like Hilton hotel towels too 😭😁😁
@richb1016
@richb1016 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Very interested in cleaning and pressing my books. Do you have a video on removing the FCBD stickers from the LCS? Another creator recommended just buying one without (and I probably will), but I’m stubborn. Lol
@reinaldoknows993
@reinaldoknows993 Жыл бұрын
Impressive thank you for video
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@lawrencelerat2847
@lawrencelerat2847 Жыл бұрын
Good job - I'm wondering if you do sports-cards? Removing stains and pressing out creases and wrinkles?
@MJP1472
@MJP1472 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Did the book get a higher grade?
@jagspatel7060
@jagspatel7060 3 жыл бұрын
Great learning...I won’t do it though...the blade man😊😌!!!
@DGrosser
@DGrosser Жыл бұрын
New to your channel, I'm looking at pressing and cleaning my own collection, great tutorial. Seems like you didn't follow up letting us know if you got a bump in grade from CGC. Did it get a decent bump?
@BronzeAgeBryon
@BronzeAgeBryon 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Sir. Much more detailed than how I was first taught. A couple things I'd like your opinion on please. 1) Using teflon sheets in the pressing process 2) Using a sheet of Aluminum on the bottom to avoid having to flip the book after 1 session in the press and 3) How long you leave it in the press with the heat ON. I was told only 1 minute at 170 degrees then leave it sit all night. Your thoughts would really be appreciated as I improve my understanding of this craft. Thanks!
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
1 - never use Teflon! It will leave indentions all over the cover. I will show an example of what Teflon will do in a future episode. 2 - metal plates are an option - depends on the model of press you are using, however 3 - again, depends on your press. A Seal Press takes a long time to warm up, so you should pre-heat it until it's at 165 for Silver/Bronze, then close and begin timing.
@BronzeAgeBryon
@BronzeAgeBryon 3 жыл бұрын
@@BronzeAndModernGods Thanks for the reply. Guess I'm done with Teflon. But I don't feel like it left any noticeable indentations that I could tell on what I've pressed so far. Have you found the Humidity Bath helps get out a minor creases along with the proper press? My press is pretty new and heats up to 170 in under 10-15 minutes. I have been leaving books in at 170 for about 2 minutes heated and turned on, then shutting off the press and leave them sit all night. With the aluminum plate I do not flip them. If you're up for it, check out the couple of videos I made on the process, I'd be happy to learn more. As after finding you I feel what I "think" I know and what I put out there is called into question now. Thanks for your time.
@ccsportsfan7886
@ccsportsfan7886 2 жыл бұрын
Just found this did you ever get back if so what score I looked for the video couldn't find thank you
@drspidey4739
@drspidey4739 2 жыл бұрын
Just curious. Did you ever do a followup on the grade?
@mayalunics4740
@mayalunics4740 11 ай бұрын
Great Information
@FoScoJo
@FoScoJo 8 ай бұрын
You could use a steel ruler to run the blade down to stop it from drifting into the comic.
@thinkle6244
@thinkle6244 2 жыл бұрын
Should you press books that are older and fragile? Like something that might be in 1-2.0 condition?
@wonderbread9038
@wonderbread9038 3 жыл бұрын
Did you get them back yet? How was the grading?
@armandandonian3610
@armandandonian3610 2 жыл бұрын
I found a way to get rid of those deep fold lines and other creases.
@HeWentThattaway
@HeWentThattaway 2 жыл бұрын
Any news on the re-grade results?
@RanXerox007007
@RanXerox007007 2 жыл бұрын
Do you heat or boil the water first or just pour it in cold?
@glenclark8696
@glenclark8696 2 жыл бұрын
I just watched the video and looked for a follow up video to see if you got a grade bump. Have you gotten the book back yet?
@mofantasy9219
@mofantasy9219 2 жыл бұрын
Did you get it re-graded? Can't find the video. Interesting video though!
@greatpix
@greatpix Жыл бұрын
I'd recommend using a spudger instead of a screwdriver for opening the slab as you'll have better control and less likely to come near the book. Also, put a metal straight edge/ruler between the knife and the comic. Last thing, send in the old label along with the comic so they can remove it from the census. See recent Bry's Comics video. Do this or the count will be artificially high and hurt the value of your book.
@matthewallen803
@matthewallen803 2 жыл бұрын
You've got nerves of steel. Just putting a key into a new bag can be stressful. It was awesome seeing how to clean a book. I'll have to buy a doc cleaning pad and absorene
@thebrothershowpodcast8505
@thebrothershowpodcast8505 2 жыл бұрын
Did you get it re graded? Plz share video. Thank you!
@KingColonel
@KingColonel 2 жыл бұрын
Opening that slab with the screwdriver was absolute madness WTF!?
@kristophersmotherman6114
@kristophersmotherman6114 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Wild amazing video. This could have easily been the book I used to own all those years ago. I never even realized it was Dr. Strange's origin, I was going for Sandmans second appearance, since I already had his first. What's sad, is how lazy people are, as only 3 percent of the people that watched this video bothered to hit the like button. Out of 23,000!!!!
@kontrabjorn
@kontrabjorn 3 жыл бұрын
You mention that a press could be purchased in the 200$ range - do you have some recommended brands that I could look for?
@traemoore5457
@traemoore5457 2 жыл бұрын
I vaguely remember receiving direct comics folded over in the 80’s. I still have some with a faint line down the middle. As for rusty staples and no water damage, I’m guessing this is the reason?
@tomhuynh4058
@tomhuynh4058 Жыл бұрын
Question.. do you know how to get rid of the adhesive residue from stickers or old tapes?
@kamdoankamdoan8698
@kamdoankamdoan8698 2 жыл бұрын
So how did the new grading go? ....couldn't find the follow up video
@Rom2099
@Rom2099 3 жыл бұрын
G’day. Stumbled across your channel, mate. Good stuff. Got a subscriber out of me. I’m trying to source all the materials to properly clean n press here in Australia. Getting very close.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@creeper440
@creeper440 2 жыл бұрын
Was not Josh Avery. Best work ever!
@potishen
@potishen 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do humidity chamber inside? It’s cold in Canada in the winter
@David-sw3on
@David-sw3on 2 жыл бұрын
Being busy with my silly comments I neglected to mention what a great & entertaining Video you did that I had to take the time to thank you!... I definitely learned a lot.👍😉🇨🇦 {PS-Besides my Passion for Collecting Comics, I had recently inherited a huge stack of old records from early 70s-80s. But some of the cardboard covers on them were warped from water damage. I was wondering if this method could perhaps work on them to flatten them out also? Any suggestions from anyone would be greatly appreciated, Thanks again.}
@MediaWhored
@MediaWhored Жыл бұрын
Wow i was holding my breath when you were x razor blading that wrapper
@JaKaJan2500
@JaKaJan2500 3 жыл бұрын
Just subbed. Nice video. Would love to see more cleaning videos. Any luck with foxing?
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Foxing is a tough nut I've been afraid to try cracking, as it involves peroxide, etc.
@MySweetPickles
@MySweetPickles 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm just starting to learn pressing myself and this video was most helpful. I can't seem to locate those temperature strips you are using on Amazon (most of them only go up to around 100 degrees Fahrenheit). Would you mind posting a link? Thanks again! Subscribed
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, Chadd! Thanks for watching - try this www.amazon.com/dp/B01FVOQO9K/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_Y4AUFbRDGJS5B
@fordhamdonnington2738
@fordhamdonnington2738 2 жыл бұрын
Where do you get a good press. Amazon's look cheap
@superariosto
@superariosto 3 жыл бұрын
Hi John, I am wondering if you got this comic back? Wondering what grade it got? Great vid by the way.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Here you go! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rMydltWJmLK7gHU.html
@seatacg
@seatacg 3 жыл бұрын
What did it grade at when you sent it back in?
@DanXJ19
@DanXJ19 2 жыл бұрын
Do cleanings remove stamps and writing?
@agoodun
@agoodun 2 жыл бұрын
Why do I need to be careful when cutting the edge of the book? Will it affect the value if I accidentally cut it?
@fishworlderie
@fishworlderie 2 жыл бұрын
Any update on a resubmitted grade?
@MSgt_0699
@MSgt_0699 Жыл бұрын
Wow, I had no idea that those plastic cases were sealed like that. Makes sense.
@kayliasbirdsanctuary
@kayliasbirdsanctuary 2 жыл бұрын
Just curious do you have an update on this book? Were you able to increase the grade up from CGC 4.5? Great titorial!!
@TrustMeImaBAMF
@TrustMeImaBAMF 2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious as well
@Cuntycomics
@Cuntycomics 2 жыл бұрын
So what grade did CGC RE grade
@whatsinthebox9981
@whatsinthebox9981 2 жыл бұрын
Did you ever get those book back,and what grade
@pokemoncollectibles2192
@pokemoncollectibles2192 3 жыл бұрын
What type of gloves were you using? 😊 and what was the archival paper inside the comic for?
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods 3 жыл бұрын
Simple white cotton gloves - non-powdered latex is good, too. The archival paper was something CGC placed inside slabbed books to supposedly absorb any off gassing
@Klung1
@Klung1 5 ай бұрын
What was the final regrading result? (I spent 5 mins searching comments before asking, but couldn’t find any info)
@MPSFilmsOfficial
@MPSFilmsOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
what did it end up being graded?
@jeffreyminnie9194
@jeffreyminnie9194 Жыл бұрын
Hi. Great information. I can't seem to find those temperature strips on Amazon over 90F. What is the brand name on those? Thanks.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods Жыл бұрын
Ugh, good question - they came in a generic white envelope with no branding.
@kristopherfeeney2052
@kristopherfeeney2052 3 жыл бұрын
So do we know what grade it came back?
@Zenmaster1
@Zenmaster1 Жыл бұрын
What type of SRP do you use? I find that the SRP wrinkles during the heat pressing, which then transfers to the covers, especially with Bronze and Silver Age.
@BronzeAndModernGods
@BronzeAndModernGods Жыл бұрын
Hey, Jon - links to all the materials I use are in the description.
@screennamie
@screennamie 2 жыл бұрын
Did you ever submit it and get it back yet?
@johnmasters1667
@johnmasters1667 2 жыл бұрын
Can you press foil comics
@jerrysnow555
@jerrysnow555 4 ай бұрын
You should always send in the label when resubmitted so it removed off Census if not this messes with values
@williambixby3785
@williambixby3785 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of grade increase did you get from this?
@ziggyc4474
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