Marvel's U-Decide Debacle: the THREE comics from Marvel's worst idea!

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ComicPop Returns

ComicPop Returns

Жыл бұрын

Back in 2001, Bill Jemas at Marvel Comics had an idea. He had an awful, terrible, no good, very bad idea! Create two comics, Marville and Ultimate Adventures, against the Captain Marvel series already on sale! Now, 20 years later, U-Decide which was worth continuing! Make sure to subscribe today! / @comicpopreturns #marvel #marville
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@freebatman4everyone
@freebatman4everyone Жыл бұрын
The distraught look on Ben's face in the thumbnail pulled me in immediately. This is gonna be good.
@capsjukebox
@capsjukebox Жыл бұрын
Until they covered Marville on Back Issues, I had memory-holed this whole event
@Sicod79
@Sicod79 Жыл бұрын
Peter David wins: Coherent story-ality.
@lucasstrople4767
@lucasstrople4767 Жыл бұрын
Peter David’s Captain Marvel is an undusted gem from that era. One of my favourite runs of all time.
@hoistinhollywood
@hoistinhollywood Жыл бұрын
Tiffany is so funny in this video that marville book broke her 😭😭
@spdrwrtr
@spdrwrtr Жыл бұрын
17:30 Tiffany's face is priceless.
@CptCrash21
@CptCrash21 Жыл бұрын
The look of dying a slow death and knowing people are watching as it happens.... and even worse, it was her husband that forced this upon her.
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache Жыл бұрын
It has been a…challenging ward hunting season for Hawk Owl…
@greyzonefilm
@greyzonefilm Жыл бұрын
I love it when you guys try to explain the batshit insanity that is Marville
@andrewlewis2123
@andrewlewis2123 Жыл бұрын
You know, I thought I had it bad just having to think about Marville and hear somebody cover it a second time, but clearly Tiffany had a much worse time *reading it* with it than any of us viewers just hearing it recounted. Thanks for soldiering on, team! Your sacrifices do not go unnoticed lol
@machbass
@machbass Жыл бұрын
Now I just want an antagonist Watcher that comes from the Marville earth. He got so bored watching that he decides to go to other universes and trap their heroes in his boring universe in an attempt to make it interesting. It would end with that Watcher being taught a valuable lesson- it doesn't matter what cool characters or events you throw into a universe. Bad writing will ruin it every time.
@KentaroMiyamoto21
@KentaroMiyamoto21 4 ай бұрын
And yet that sounds more competently written than the actual Marville comic.
@radicalraddish6292
@radicalraddish6292 Жыл бұрын
I'll take the wrong box inclusion for marville as a forgotten conclusion then.
@brianadkins3880
@brianadkins3880 Жыл бұрын
Was also wondering if the "Wrong Box" was still a thing...
@KenByrneNL
@KenByrneNL Жыл бұрын
The Easter Bunny brought me a GBU! Awesome!!
@TheGreatDevlin
@TheGreatDevlin Жыл бұрын
I never hear people talk about Ultimate Adventures when the calamity of U Decide gets explained. It's always "the other" book.
@BardWannabe
@BardWannabe Жыл бұрын
I was enjoying Captain Marvel before the soft reboot. While the descent into madness was interesting, I feel like a really good comic was sacrificed for the sake of the contest.
@dn22pkkdd476
@dn22pkkdd476 Жыл бұрын
Oh boy. Here we go
@nigelflood7074
@nigelflood7074 Жыл бұрын
Please Sal and crew cover the complete Ultimate Adventures on Comic Pop
@ItsTheFizz
@ItsTheFizz Жыл бұрын
Still mad about that whoopee cushion, I see...
@mttylerdurden9
@mttylerdurden9 Жыл бұрын
The only time I can think of a superhero getting there powers from time travel would be the Samaritan from Astro City
@kylecarter1599
@kylecarter1599 Жыл бұрын
Issues 7 and 8 of Captain Marvel feature Kyle Hotz art and are my favorite issues of that run
@BoyNamedSue4
@BoyNamedSue4 Жыл бұрын
Two of these books are only really remember because of the contest. The other is infamous.
@liamwilson7226
@liamwilson7226 Жыл бұрын
The ultimates appear in ultimate adventures funny enough
@matterstoyou2970
@matterstoyou2970 Жыл бұрын
C.M. was ok, tampered by established lore; it was decent for what it was. ultimately it just the bridge between original Captain Marvel and Warbird’s contemporary C.M
@armed.armadillo2638
@armed.armadillo2638 Жыл бұрын
Oh thank God, I need something to watch while I'm at Easter lunch.
@jshanks1001
@jshanks1001 Жыл бұрын
Have you guys thought of doing a comedian-written GBU? Patton Oswalt, Scott Aukerman, etc.
@AlriikRidesAgain
@AlriikRidesAgain Жыл бұрын
Gonna be honest: Cosmic Sense is a freaking amazing storytelling tool when used correctly, and I think Captain Marvel pulled it off great.
@sombrashadow0013
@sombrashadow0013 Жыл бұрын
It truly baffles me how DC would basically do this with Round Robin over a decade later with basically the same result. If Marvel tried it and failed, what makes them think they could do any different?!
@BoyNamedSue4
@BoyNamedSue4 Жыл бұрын
I could see the logic of trying it again. Thinking it didn’t work because of ego of the editor
@Sicod79
@Sicod79 Жыл бұрын
hubris
@donb7519
@donb7519 Жыл бұрын
Then did it again a year later
@mttylerdurden9
@mttylerdurden9 Жыл бұрын
Top Cow(image comics imprint) does something like this called Pilot Season.
@PragmaticGolem
@PragmaticGolem Жыл бұрын
Sucks for MD Bright, such a good artist to be stuck with marville. His Quantum & Woody is great
@cjstanky
@cjstanky Жыл бұрын
I imagine he saw the plot of the story and probably decided to not bring the A-game for it, which if he did I couldn't blame him for.
@kastlemanofficial8355
@kastlemanofficial8355 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind a full back issues on that captain marvel arc. It sounds really interesting.
@TheMastaCharzangle
@TheMastaCharzangle Жыл бұрын
I want Disney to adapt Marville into a movie for Disney+
@Doddser
@Doddser Жыл бұрын
Very surprised Marville didn't get the wrong box
@anthonyhudak9363
@anthonyhudak9363 Жыл бұрын
I had this idea for a future GBU where you look at comics that are clearly based off westerns or evoke the gunslinger feel. I'm sure there are plenty but the only one off the top of my head is Web of Venom Wraith
@damiandawson7610
@damiandawson7610 Жыл бұрын
Love to see you guys hit 20K over here!! Keep the train goin’ hilarious as usual
@WhatIsItAboutThem
@WhatIsItAboutThem Жыл бұрын
*ANGELS SING FROM THE HEAVENS*
@spoogtastic
@spoogtastic Жыл бұрын
Before even watching...... If Marville doesnt end up in the wrong box then what are we even doing.....
@TheRealZubes
@TheRealZubes Жыл бұрын
It came from there, according to the Back Issues episode!
@spoogtastic
@spoogtastic Жыл бұрын
​​@@TheRealZubes lol missed that part of the back issues I guess, thanks Tiffany!
@flywheelshyster
@flywheelshyster 4 ай бұрын
recent back issues got me wanting to hear this one again lol.
@mttylerdurden9
@mttylerdurden9 Жыл бұрын
Before I watch this video,I'm going to take a wild guess as to what the ranking is going to be: Captain Marvel: Good😊 Ultimate adventures:bad😐 Marville: beyond ugly🤮
@lexofpower2822
@lexofpower2822 Жыл бұрын
Wait didn’t you guys do this two months ago? I thought I heard that right. But still awesome! Love Peter David!
@chowderman8888
@chowderman8888 Жыл бұрын
The description of captain marvel kinda reminded me of starman from dc like right around the time of kingdom come and the return of the jsa
@ryanspengler4877
@ryanspengler4877 Жыл бұрын
Ultimate Adventures was a fun pastiche of Batman back then.
@DavidTSmith-jn5bs
@DavidTSmith-jn5bs 8 ай бұрын
Many writers handled Captain Mar-Vell and Rick Jones before Peter David did, but I think Peter's interpretation of both characters is interesting in that Genis-Vell is the "son" of the Kree soldier turned "Protector of the Universe" and Peter once described Rick as a "Marvel fan INSIDE of the comics." Also Rick was Mar-Vell's "Billy Batson" before he was Genis's so he was the wiser head and the detached observer like the person reading the book. Peter David's head games are an acquired taste but I've enjoyed them for years.
@martincollins8550
@martincollins8550 Жыл бұрын
Great episode and Ben's Hollow Knight Hoodie is 🔥
@flywheelshyster
@flywheelshyster Жыл бұрын
Holy shit. Did I just hear a criss cross make ya jump!? Omg I use that as a mnemonic device on how to install a hitch on stow and go style minivans 😂
@spideyfan6296
@spideyfan6296 Жыл бұрын
Tiffany says Marville is basically fanfiction and I highly disagree. The thing about fanfiction is that people actually put more effort into them, and it comes from a place of love ultimately. This is not that at all.
@Shift_Salt
@Shift_Salt 4 ай бұрын
Marville is spitefiction
@devonferris2293
@devonferris2293 Жыл бұрын
Love the random Highlander digression
@yohsephcassidy7324
@yohsephcassidy7324 Жыл бұрын
bwahahaha Tiff's pure distain whiel explaining that dumpsterfire iz amazing!
@TheRealZubes
@TheRealZubes Жыл бұрын
I really thought I had escaped it, when they covered it on Back Issues
@yohsephcassidy7324
@yohsephcassidy7324 Жыл бұрын
@@TheRealZubes i hope you didn't punish Hubby to harshly, cuz it was very entertaining lol
@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038
@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038 Жыл бұрын
No one at Comic Pop is safe from Marvell.
@AkiDave
@AkiDave Жыл бұрын
Finally!! Quality cleaning content 💙
@fcm3d
@fcm3d Жыл бұрын
Man now I have to rewatch Highlander 2.
@Justice4Skye
@Justice4Skye Жыл бұрын
Don't do it. In my nearly 40 year old mind only highlander one, predator 1(and maybe prey), Indiana Jones ended before they decided to make crystal skulls kingdom and anything after, the matrix only made one movie, terminator only made 2 not 11, robocop only made one..maybe 2 movies, speed NEVER had a sequel, caddyshack never made more than one movie, neither did the mask, or tremors, and lastly die hard only had one Movie, same with karate kid... God sequels ruin movies more often than not. Smh
@astr0303
@astr0303 Жыл бұрын
love the content!
@amwoodco3049
@amwoodco3049 Жыл бұрын
Listening to the Marville thing, I can't help but think of Combos (or Combosman?); a cross-promotional hero based on Combos, a snack made by either Hostess or Lays. Turns out, Marvel Comics is a thing in Earth 616, and a kid wanted to be a super hero who was a 'combo' of all his favourite heroes and villains, and a salty snack gave him that power.
@Revanxbone
@Revanxbone Жыл бұрын
I am kinda curious about the captain marvel issue now tbh 😅
@mementomori771
@mementomori771 Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite shows! Moon knight themed episode please 😊
@adrianprime8404
@adrianprime8404 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! We need more GBU content
@blackphoenix77
@blackphoenix77 Жыл бұрын
When I first read Ultimate Adventures, I thought it was a parody. I didn't like it at all. It's like a prototype All Star Batman and Robin.
@GNARGNARHEAD
@GNARGNARHEAD Жыл бұрын
kinda shocked it didn't make it to the Wrong Box
@TheGeorgeGraves
@TheGeorgeGraves Жыл бұрын
YES GAWD YESSSSS!!!! COMICPOP FOR 100 YEARS!!!
@jikorijo4516
@jikorijo4516 Жыл бұрын
Oh boy! A new GBU!😄
@ericmorgan3981
@ericmorgan3981 Жыл бұрын
The Kris-Kross reference got me 😂
@robphoenix1182
@robphoenix1182 Жыл бұрын
Wait that captain marvel was Rick Jones?! Came out when I left comics so missed it. Where did Marlo go?! Remember Jones was randomly used a lot but this much?! I missed a lot more than I thought back in the day.
@deltafive_o-first2417
@deltafive_o-first2417 Жыл бұрын
Ah now we episodes on the whole trilogy, U Decide, Marville and Trouble
@stuartboyd2367
@stuartboyd2367 Жыл бұрын
We need more GBU!
@mr.master2017
@mr.master2017 Жыл бұрын
Hawk-Owl looks a lot like a Talon reject
@dirtydan3551
@dirtydan3551 Жыл бұрын
There ultimate jay and silent bob.
@Woopywomp
@Woopywomp Жыл бұрын
Very good..
@damienkakoschke3099
@damienkakoschke3099 Жыл бұрын
I actually didn't mind Ultimate Adventures, the art & the piss-take of it being the Ultimates Batman & Robin and that it was kinda played for laughs had a lot to do with why I liked it. I do love Duncan Fegredo (and yep he drew the Jay & Silent Bob comic that covered the few days between Chasing Amy & Dogma).
@flywheelshyster
@flywheelshyster Жыл бұрын
GBU gonna hit ya with my shoe, too excited for a new show like being hopped up on a bunch of blow! With the coolest gang on my screen I'm rhyme criming for this scheme Because comic pop creates a smile Warm and long like a heavenly mile
@karl_alan
@karl_alan Жыл бұрын
It's funny because when he was writing Marville, I think he thought he was Grant Morrison or Alam Moore or something
@SamusSelf-Destruct
@SamusSelf-Destruct Жыл бұрын
Honestly surprised that Marville didn’t get the Wrong Box
@comicpopreturns
@comicpopreturns Жыл бұрын
Marville came from the Wrongbox.
@dlvnmedia
@dlvnmedia Жыл бұрын
I remember liking Ultimate Adventures cause I was collecting all the Ultimate titles at that time. I think it got better but it has been awhile since I read it and honestly am not sure where that whole run is after ny Move into myNew place a year ago.
@likenem
@likenem Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, Chris Cross stole Jump from Everlast.
@DMorfin11
@DMorfin11 Жыл бұрын
YESSS!
@gideonquesenberry6270
@gideonquesenberry6270 Жыл бұрын
New BEST of the WORST episode.... wait, that's not quite right
@vfxninja5503
@vfxninja5503 Жыл бұрын
"One of these books did not actively hurt me every second I was reading it" is maybe the lowest bar we've ever had to clear.
@logansmith2703
@logansmith2703 Жыл бұрын
I need to rewatch the more recent GBUs. Is the Wrong Box not a thing anymore or did y'all just forget to talk about whether Marville deserved it?
@comicpopreturns
@comicpopreturns Жыл бұрын
In canon, Marville came FROM the Wrong Box: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o8dof5t43ru3p6c.html
@DSIan
@DSIan Жыл бұрын
Scott's Tots
@fatenabu1
@fatenabu1 Жыл бұрын
The Ultimates appear later in Ultimate Adventures.
@kiethveseyofficial
@kiethveseyofficial Ай бұрын
It seemed like a Phil of the future X Captain Marvel crossover fan fiction.
@pay7232
@pay7232 Жыл бұрын
I’ve only read the ultimate one. I was all in on the ultimate universe growing up. Any criticism lobbied at the ultimate universe is you just being old and not getting it😂
@HoistTheBlackFlag
@HoistTheBlackFlag Жыл бұрын
Engagement and interaction with creator to please the mathemagics that choses what gets seen or not.
@danilo9498
@danilo9498 Жыл бұрын
Hey you should continue ultimate adventures pls
@joedee9811
@joedee9811 Жыл бұрын
If ever there was a comic that belonged in the wrongbox, it’s Marville Actually no, it belongs in the trash
@D.S.handle
@D.S.handle Жыл бұрын
I find Ultimate Adventure art really good.
@ninja1man4u
@ninja1man4u Жыл бұрын
God marville is such an abomination to story telling its almost grimly fascinating
@redsea866
@redsea866 Жыл бұрын
So that's an lcd display or an old tv on its side in the background?
@comicpopreturns
@comicpopreturns Жыл бұрын
It's a poster.
@redsea866
@redsea866 Жыл бұрын
It occurred to me after the fact that it was probably just a green screen. At least I hope you didn't have a dedicated Marville poster. Lol
@redsea866
@redsea866 Жыл бұрын
@@Akkbar21 😱
@redsea866
@redsea866 Жыл бұрын
@@Akkbar21 I think I found it. Everything is made of hexagons. Watch your 6 in there.
@Sidney_L
@Sidney_L Жыл бұрын
Marville would have been more fun if they used Ike Turner instead of Ted Turner. And then put Ike on a pirate ship. 🧠
@nigelflood7074
@nigelflood7074 Жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes
@vitanpatel2061
@vitanpatel2061 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, i feel like Hawkowl was a missed opportunity???
@Sunsp0t_Lu
@Sunsp0t_Lu Жыл бұрын
I never get the notification 🔔
@karl_alan
@karl_alan Жыл бұрын
Ooh...have Tiffany critique the issue that's just unformatted words over crude art
@damiandawson7610
@damiandawson7610 Жыл бұрын
Woooo
@outoffit4real
@outoffit4real Жыл бұрын
Wait, so they let fans make a Smallville comic with Captain Mar-Vell and another one within the Ultimate Universe?
@hasthehighground8560
@hasthehighground8560 Жыл бұрын
They didn’t let fans write the comics. Writers wrote the comics and the fans bought the comics. It was a competition between Bill Jemas and Peter David.
@outoffit4real
@outoffit4real Жыл бұрын
@@hasthehighground8560 Oh, I thought the fans competed by submitting their ideas for a comic book and the best got picked but I didn't care enough to do research lol. Mostly wondering wth the actual comics were about.
@justjackson7152
@justjackson7152 Жыл бұрын
My question is if you pick Ultimate Adventures, are you picking the title Ultimate Adventures are the shitty Batman analog to stick around?
@MrCeratix
@MrCeratix Жыл бұрын
Fuck. Yes. 😅
@juggy-ik7qy
@juggy-ik7qy Жыл бұрын
I don't care what anyone say, I agree with Sal, Highlander 2 was awesome.
@godmagnus
@godmagnus Жыл бұрын
What if Robin was as asshole? What would you call Damien Wayne?
@comicpopreturns
@comicpopreturns Жыл бұрын
A mistake.
@ShawnWeeded510
@ShawnWeeded510 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, Marvels "BEST" contest😐
@attackofthecopyrightbots
@attackofthecopyrightbots Жыл бұрын
the captain marvel was good the other two are the worst comics ever
@seanrichardson7295
@seanrichardson7295 Жыл бұрын
There is real-world backstory here that I think explains the Jay and Silent Bob appearance. When Joe Quesada was doing Marvel Knights, he brought in Kevin Smith to write Daredevil, and it was a big hit. Because of this, a Marvel exec (I think it was Jemas, but it might've been Quesada or somebody else) thought "Let's get celebrities to write comic books". At the time, Ron Zimmerman made some appearances on Howard Stern, and thus somehow managed to qualify as a celebrity-writer according to Marvel. They promoted him heavily as the next big thing, "You love him on Howard Stern, now we've got him writing Spider-Man!!" type of stuff. He promptly created Kraven's son and launched a bizarre Hollywood parody called "Get Kraven", where every issue has a reference to Warren Zevon. It's just as esoteric and random as "Marville", and it's the only comic I've ever read that approaches that level of terrible. It was supposed to be an ongoing, but was so unpopular that they changed it to a limited series of six issues. He also wrote a comic where Jay Leno meets Spider-Man, they published it in pieces as an insert in other comics for a month or two. He wrote a few other things, but sales were never very good, Marvel quickly stopped using his name to promote books because it was clear that he was no Kevin Smith, sales-wise. I don't want to dwell to much on criticizing the guy's work, because I just found out that he died last year, and to be honest I got a lot of entertainment out of his so-bad-they're-good comics, in a MST3k sort of way. So I'll just say I think that the circumstances of his employment led to him feeling a sort-of one-sided rivalry with Kevin Smith, and he included a lot of random jabs at him in his comics. It's possible that he was aiming for that sort of promotion where you get somebody more famous than you to respond to you, but honestly I think it was just envy.
@accidentalmadness1708
@accidentalmadness1708 Жыл бұрын
Highlander 2 is such a fun mess. Are they aliens? Time travelers? Jedi? Peter Pan creatures from the first movies alt ending? Who cares! watch Connor and Ramirez drive through a wall of bullets and laugh about it.
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