LMAO!!!! Spidercuck!

Tbh both are similar people lol

What an awful decision.

"Let's make Wally a young black teenager to appeal to modern audiences." Ok, that can work. "Let's also make him every black teenager stereotype. Do you think Kool-Aid will sponsor us?" **facepalm**

@@tatersalad76 Nah dude, I'm sick of these race swaps. Should've just made a new character.

My biggest issue was the evil uncle storyline ... I literally sat down and went through Miles Morales background less than a year before I encountered the Daniel West storyline

@@user-pv1qk4so6syeah it doesn’t seem like they cared enough to make a new black character other then blue beetle tweeks and he’s not even black

He's not finding his place at all.

DC doesn't do legacy characters anymore.

@@trevturp6891 Barry is literally the one without a title. Current Flash ongoing and the one that will launch in September is all Wally😅 it’s been like this for two years now. Funny thing is the two flash miniseries coming up also has nothing to do with Barry.

yeah even the personality and way of acting as a person was Wally West but blonde,im sure because of the early popularity of wally they made barry like him,I remember watching Justice League Unlimited and flash was my favorite character for example,and it was Wally,now i see Barry and Wally and they are the same character.

It's more or less. I think the only thing they took from Wally and gave to Barry was the personality, but the origin story, love interest and the villains are still Barry's.

The origin and love interests are Barry’s tho. Especially his relationship with his mom.

​​​​@@mr.continuityryone has a unique origin, wally has his and it is also great. Barry's interesting origin and relationship with his mom are all thanks to rebirth and flashpoint which in total is 12 issues or something (n52 run is bad and williamson run is 6/10). So the fact that many think these are some of the most relevant factors of the flash mythos as a whole is thanks to cw show whic is cool but just make the distinction. Also even though some villains such as rouges are original barry allen villains, they are given much more depth in waid's and johns' runs, and MOST speed force related characters(black flash, savitar, zoom...) are wally characters. Even reverse flash is given such a cool backstory thanks to the concept of a speed force developed and presented beautifully in the wally era. Many think we have wally thanks to barry, but a person can only love barry thanks to wally.

wasn't it Wally who made the "lightning rod" quote for him and Linda I remember seeing it in the Dead Heat storyline. And Barry even get's some of Wally's villains in the new 52 storyline

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Great vid

Favorite

Love this series. Thanks for doin' more

You make good points. A real shame how DC treats Wally West. Had a great opportunity with DC Rebirth to do something awesome after Wally's return. They need better leadership.

True, back to square one

It's legitimately frightening to me that the comic book community isn't willing to discuss the misogyny and demonization of mental illness that runs rampant in Tom King's books.

@@WhoTookPlockrock misogyny? He's usually propping the women up , and making the men way too vulnerable. Feels like the opposite of misogyny.

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp That itself is a form of misogyny, how he views women not as their own people but as saviors whose role is to find a man to "save". He views them almost exclusively as purpose-serving without agency, and has an extremely fucked up view of relationships

@@WhoTookPlockrock that's a good point. Was really weird seeing Catwoman act essentially as Batman's mommy.

Yeah, but Barry Allen is the FIRST and FASTEST Flash (/s)

No he isn't. Jay Garrick is the first Flash and Wally is the fastest Flash.

@@The_Phantasm I prefer Barry over both

​@@The_Phantasm /s means sarcasm my guy

@@BardiaOmega Cool. I prefer Wally.

I agree. it annoyed me that when watching the CW show how many times I would go "That's a Wally thing" when they did something with Barry. They even had Barry date Linda Park for a bit and that was a slap in the face to Wally fans.

J nw noreen

And then they tried making “Wallace west”

​@Nick Cirillo the easiest way they could've done this was make Wallece be Wally's protégé.

Why is it sad that Doctor Manhattan himself had to intervene to bring our boy back?

@@trevturp6891 Because a nihilistic God from other universe having to intervine in order to save Wally from the writer's mistreatment towards him is something that already speaks for itself

@@OptimusNero Thanks for answering my question.👍👍👍👍

It's a shame since they had such an amazing opportunity to capitalize on his return with DC Rebirth.

To be fair, I'd just tell them to watch the old Justice League cartoon if they don't get why we like Wally West. He's literally the Flash most of us grew up with, not Barry.

Wallys the best flash by miles, him and nightwing are the best

I still prefer Barry tbh, been reading the comics for a while now and I kinda prefer him over Wally tbh. I do love Wally in JL and JLA tho, it's just that I like Barry more. Also, bro you are everywhere

Apparently I like Barry despite what people say, I really quite became fond of him especially in Joshua Williamson and Manupal’s own interpretation of him

He runs towards the cosmic treadmill in his last moments so it seem like the dead Wally is from the future. The current Wally probably won’t be killed at all.

Wally West's totally dead. We know that and let's not pretend that we don't.

Don't forget: Treat them all like gods, and forget about their humanity

With his own superhero name and finally getting out of his mentor's shadow.

Why not do what I do and take both? I grew up in a time Barry was dead, so Wally is the Main Flash, but I also spent some time appreciating Barry as the Flash as well. Personally, I love both and desire if they can Batman & Nightwing them both into Comics.

@@baligong3592 Do you mean that you would change Wally West's superhero name? Because that's exactly what i would do and that's also what DC should have done in the first place, instead of stupidly deciding to have Barry Allen and Wally West both be The Flash at the same time for some incredibly stupid reason that makes absolutely no sense whatsover.

@@trevturp6891 The issue with Barry & Wally has nothing to do with their names. Green Lanterns, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, etc. all share names with other characters existing alongside them. Issue with Barry & Wally comes down to portrayal and/or even the fact that some fans behaves as if Barry was created in 2009 and stole everything from Wally, including his suit. Barry is a Introverted Science Nerd who's Privately Central City's best CSI, willing to do what's right because it's right. I can also add that he's a Momma's Boy. Wally West is an Extroverted Jock who has a Public Identity of being The Flash, or in some other stories, Privately a Mechanic. Willing to do what's right because it's what Barry would've done. He also has Family Issues. They should highlight these 2 distinctions, and give both characters their own respective run. Stories that makes Wally move to Central City, have a Private Identity, use a Generic Flash suit, work with the Police (or in Jeremy Adam's Case: in a Lab), etc. causes some fans to be confused. What made Wally special was stripped away from him when Geoff Johns wrote him back in the 2000s. They should at least give Wally's suit more differences rather than white eyes and nose job, since it's pretty clear most Comic Artists still gets confused.

​@Trev Turp No, they don't. They need to just fuckjng kill off Barry again and just let Wally be the flash and then have him pass on the mantle to a worthy successor.

@@baligong3592 The Green Lanterns are a Corp, Not sure what you mean with Wonder Women, and it really isn't the same with Spider-man, every other Spider-person goes by Spider-man or woman in their respective universes, and even in 616, pretty much every other Spider-person has their own personal persona, other than Miles who shares Peters name. The Scarlet Spiders sometimes share a name, but Marvel's been Screwing over Ben Reilly for a while now.

yup that's right

And that they haven't given him a new superhero name, which is something they should have done a long time ago.

He didn't become his own man. He's always remained in Barry Allen's shadow and as long as he's The Flash, he'll always be in Barry Allen's shadow.

Why don't you mind that they erased him?

@@trevturp6891 Well, 2 responses. He definitely out grew barry shadow in the 90s and 2000s. In my opinion, and what I mean is I don't mind them erasing his and bringing him back after. I would mind if they just permanently erased him.

@@ljeans531 Who are you talking about aside from Wally West?

@@ljeans531 But he's been thrown back into it now.

Sounds like the issue of the character at that point. It's like saying Nightwing's issues is that Batman is Alive. If all these characters like Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, Batman, Captain America, etc. can overcome their losses of other characters and still not have issues, even if they [the dead Hero, or even Villain in some cases] comes back to life, then Wally West should also not have the same issue. But if all these characters do not suffer, but this one particular character became garbage from another one coming back to life, what does that say about the character?

@@baligong3592 except Wally has no role outside of being flash. He’s kinda irrelevant if he isn’t the flash as nightwing is firmly established as his own man outside of Batman. Wally unfortunately is not outside the shadow of the flash mantle.

@@knoober3756 How about the Green Lanterns? Spider-Men? Thor Corps? Anyone from IronMan's Respective Crew? If Wally isn't Outside the shadow of The Flash, it would mean the title of The Flash is bigger than Wally, making him more susceptible for replacement despite having great stories. Artemis, Donna, and Diana are all the Current Wonder Woman, are all Greek, but all 3 still get stories to this day. What one Wonder Woman is can't be replaced easily with the other. I believe Wally is bigger than the Title. It's seems already clear Barry and Jay are too. Barry the Science Uncle Flash, Jay the Soldier Grandpa Flash, Wally the Fast Flash? The Family Flash? But now even Jay Garrick is ripping that Specialty away from him. What I'm trying to do is get you to thinking "what makes Wally something bigger than The Flash?" Because if he's just "The Grieving Flash" like some perceive him to be, then he's going to get absolutely bullied by Editorial, Writers, Artists, etc. Like Heroes in Crisis.

@@baligong3592apples and oranges. The green lantern corps works cause they are an army. Night wing is his own established character. Wally West however was a successor and truly grew to earn the mantle of the Flash. He's not the grieving Flash or whatever the fuck kind of labels you wanna put on him. He is the one and only Flash.

@@gentlemanbronco3246 One and only flash? Not sure how accurate that is

And you should hope that they change his superhero name.

Wally west is to DC what peter parker is to Marvel, the writers just hate it when he is happy and they gotta fuck up his life.

Yep, DC is pandering to the wrong crowd

The thing about that is that it’s a different timeline so it didn’t even matter.

Fans didn't throw a fit when Barry was killed by the Joker in the movie. DC figures no body really cares.

@@kyleellis1825 they only care when the character is put in a VS's series like deathbattle.

Correction, the gun man.

@@kyleellis1825 Actually fans did throw a fit.

Peace*

@@trillionwins2028 autocorrect mb

Once the Tom King infection starts, it never goes away

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp NOOOOOO!😢

Correction, I thought the days of hating on Wally West and doing terrible things to him were over.

@@porobotboyxxx YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS

@@trevturp6891 They should be!

1. They tried that, but Wally fans got upset about the story, and had Bart killed. 2. Barry didn't stagnate The Flash, since the original plan for Barry was to reintroduce him and continue the stories... Like how they did with Every Single Hero and Villain. 3. Don't blame the character since the character wasn't created in 2009 to replace Wally. He was simply brought back. Blame the Writers/Editorial for wanting Wally gone. None of us would say this about any other characters, let's not start now with Barry. We wouldn't even say this about Spider-Man who has been screwed over for 30 years out of 60 years of his existence.

Dude, every dc superhero mythos's story telling has been stagnated.

​@@trevturp6891 bringing Barry back was fine. Not doing anything with him WITH the Flash Family and instead only focusing on the shitty dead mom retcon was the bad part.

@@theflashfan3234 The dead mom retcon wasn't shitty, it was amazing. And it's extremely good that that was added to his origin story.

@@theflashfan3234 You're right, only focusing on the amazing dead mom retcon was the bad part. But that's not the only bad part. The other bad part is that they didn't give Wally West his own superhero codename, a brand new costume with a cape and googles, and his own book separate from Barry Allen's book.

At least Wally is still married to the love of his life. Can't say the same about Peter... hah.

@@edcaouswally loves truly raven she loves him too before linda they couldn’t be together because of raven losing control of her power over her feelings

should’ve killed the guy that should’ve stayed dead but nah

Can’t Barry think fast or faster than light

i can probably see that being the case

@@TevyaSmolka That's what it was, wasn't it? Am I the only one who saw that?

@@dylanbiancamano no your not the only one and honestly that would make a tons of sense especially because Wally west has just rescued his son from Granny goodness in his own book.

​@Tevya Smolka YESSS I just read that last week, I was like wtf how's he dead, he just rescued his newborn kid Wade along with Mr. Terrific's, Donna's and Garth's kids

@@joaquincortes4956 indeed