FFBeast - Force Feedback Stick Review - Why I am NEVER Going Back to a Regular Joystick

FFBeast - Force Feedback Stick Review - Why I am NEVER Going Back to a Regular Joystick | DCS

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⏱ Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
0:33 - Channel Intro
1:00 - Why is Force Feedback Important?
1:56 - Force Feedback Limitations
3:06 - FFBeast Overview
5:09 - Non-FBW Jets
9:50 - Fly-By-Wire Jets
12:11 - Warbirds
15:05 - Helicopters
18:01 - Downsides of Force Feedback
20:46 - FFBeast Software
22:52 - Conclusion
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🎥 Watch my other FFBeast Force Feedback stick videos:
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Flying With a Force Feedback Stick in DCS is AMAZING | MiG-29A: • Flying With a Force Fe...
Flying Helicopters with a Force Feedback Stick is AMAZING! | DCS Huey - FFBeast: • Flying Helicopters wit...
The ULTIMATE Helicopter Control Set Up in DCS!:
• The ULTIMATE Helicopte...
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This is a full video review of FFBeast - a full force feedback stick that can be tuned differently for each aircraft and helicopter. The FFBeast software allows for additional effects to be applied to each aircraft and fine-tuned... everything from AoA buffet to speedbrake and landing gear vibrations, to landing jolts on touch down etc.
I have no experience with VP Force Rhino however I believe the main difference is in construction - FFBeast is all metal and generates more force than VPC Force Rhino.
Force Feeback is absolutely transformational to the flight controls feel of every module but it especially transforms Warbirds and Helicopters in DCS. It works in DCS World, MSFS, IL-2 Sturmovik, Warthunder, Condor2 and Xplane in the very near future.
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@CommandT Ай бұрын

📌 FFBeast: ffbeast.github.io/docs/en/joystick.html ⏱ Timecodes 0:00 - Intro 0:33 - Channel Intro 1:00 - Why is Force Feedback Important? 1:56 - Force Feedback Limitations 3:06 - FFBeast Overview 5:09 - Non-FBW Jets 9:50 - Fly-By-Wire Jets 12:11 - Warbirds 15:05 - Helicopters 18:01 - Downsides of Force Feedback 20:46 - FFBeast Software 22:52 - Conclusion

@moosey4life216 Ай бұрын

Ill never forget being in COMPUSA when they had 20 joysticks lined up 20 years ago, and most of them were force feedback. Was amazing. When i got older you could not get one.

@OldManTenno Ай бұрын

I had the same problem. Had a MS one back in the day, and quite enjoyed it. Hopefully this and DCS reinvigorates the market.

@hansangb Ай бұрын

Patent expiring helps . Also, great review!

@DanDaMan007 Ай бұрын

I miss the Microsoft force feedback joysticks. I loved flying with those!! Nothing has ever came close to those.

@deathboat138 Ай бұрын

Man, there just needs to be a quality option in the $400-$600 range.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

I think the DIY version of FFBeast falls within that range. And the VPForce Rhino too? 🤷‍♂️

@mrpawno4955 Ай бұрын

@@CommandT uhm... getting only that metal cut can cost you up to 800€ depending where you live ofc :D

@Propeler3D Ай бұрын

@@mrpawno4955 And it can be way-way less depending where you live as well :)

@mrpawno4955 Ай бұрын

@@Propeler3D yes, you’re right of course. Maybe I should buy the metal Parts from you?

@deathboat138 Ай бұрын

@@CommandT if there was a diy kit that included all the components I’d have no problem paying that, but it looks like there is maybe a lot of sourcing in their diy kits?

@Hackspear214 Ай бұрын

Just a note: the VPForce Rhino is another FFB stick to take a look at. I’ve had one for a few months and it’s amazing. I’d really like to see a comparison between the two.

@supermilo 7 күн бұрын

The Rhino is based off an earlier iteration of the FFBeast. Its a bit different in terms of design goals.

@kontoname 5 күн бұрын

@@supermilo Could you elaborate? How are the goals different? Price seems to be even higher than FFBeast? I'm actually wondering if the feedback on the FFBeast is spontaneous enough - from what I can see it looks like vibrations don't come across well or at all - it looks like there's more delay / muddyness. So it'd be nice to see a comparison - especially now that another 9Nm force feedback base is coming from Moza - which is the same torque than what the Rhino has.

@supermilo 5 күн бұрын

@@kontoname my understanding is that FFBeast is a bit more focused on authentic (high) forces. I haven't used any other stick, but the effects are tuneable, maybe worth investigating?

@PeypaMikko-1842 Ай бұрын

OMG OMG, CommandT flying a Viggen ! I can feel the Kola hype ! Awesome video, sir !

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Ha. Yep. Viggen and Kola are coming. 💪

@PaddyPatrone Ай бұрын

How long is the stick extension you have mounted? Whats the total movable angle?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

I use a 5cm extension and that’s mounted to the base which in itself already has an extension of around 5cm as well. So I reckon it’s approx 10cm lever arm in total. Regarding deflection angle - I would balm park 45 degrees or so

@Propeler3D Ай бұрын

@@CommandT It is +/- 20, so 40 is a real throw.

@Fox3Hammy Ай бұрын

Great video! Def have this on my list

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Thanks!

@justinspirational Ай бұрын

Still have my Microsoft sidewinder force feedback 2 from 22 years ago and works great but this certainly looks like a worthy upgrade

@greasemonkeygarage1901 Ай бұрын

Agreed still got mine also

@Gristle111 Ай бұрын

love mine too

@rcca07 4 күн бұрын

Love mine too! Misplace or lost my Program Disc I can still calibrate it! Can't find a replacement?

@hansangb Ай бұрын

Great review! It's been so long that I didn't even know this company existed.

@TLR_ Ай бұрын

The A4 Skyhawks would be a fun mod to try with this stick

@KevinS47 Ай бұрын

I'd love to have the money and time to try something like this!! In a few years hopefully.

@thejetfighter Ай бұрын

Awesome video! 😀

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Thanks!

@Chwuik2 7 күн бұрын

Nice! Trim wise, yes, would be having a curve around the relative center created by the trim point and not relative to the absolute 0 of the curves axis. Surely the devs will fix that at some point. Great video!

@CommandT 5 күн бұрын

Indeed, and thanks!

@therocinante3443 Ай бұрын

I really like my Realsimulator FSSB for fly by wire jets but it lacks feel in regular ones. I'd love to try one of these!

@dunbar555 Ай бұрын

Mine is about to ship out. I also have the VPRhino shipping out, so I will have a real comparison

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Wow! You aren’t hanging around haha

@Hackspear214 Ай бұрын

I’ve got a Rhino and I’d love to see a head to head comparison!

@dunbar555 Ай бұрын

@@Hackspear214 I’ll make sure to write a comparison maybe even make a video. Both seem to be great products

@banzaiman1 Ай бұрын

I remember when Microsoft released their ffb joystick. Pc world used to have demos setup where you could press different buttons on the stick and feel what ffb was all about. I was sold straight away and bought one. I absolutely loved it. Really surprised there aren't more

@NoNoNoNoYoureWrong Ай бұрын

Because companies like Immersion Corporation (allegedly) are hoarding the patents and won't let people mass produce them.

@mr.simulator4724 Ай бұрын

You can still do it. You just need windows xp.

@adriankoch964 Ай бұрын

The lightsaber demo for that stick was cool.

@OldManTenno Ай бұрын

Great informative video. I miss the days of FFB. Not sure if the beast is right for me due to space constraints, but it makes me wonder if I can make it work… 🤔

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Ha yeah indeed!

@tver Ай бұрын

While not as good as the MS FFB2 and certainly not as good as an FFBeast or VPForceRhino, I quite enjoy my second hand G940 for this reason. It was Logitech’s flagship HOTAS when launched in 2009, but was a commercial failure. Functionally, it has some durability issues (wires breaking) and can suffer from input hysteresis. However, there is a 3rd party firmware update which fixes the latter. The stick (unlike the throttle and rudder pedals) can function as a stand-alone unit, so that makes it easier to mix and match equipment.

@GrotesqueChris Ай бұрын

I need one of those!

@funnygamer678 Ай бұрын

Force Feedback is the biggest improvment i got. you can feel preassure point on hali.. you can feel weight. you can even feel bumps on the diffrent airfied note. reasons we dont see it. it because logetic since the force feedback sticks have most of the trademark

@Nsane211 Ай бұрын

Thanks. I have been waiting for a FFB Controller. I'm losing my vision. I hope i can get one before I lose my vision completely

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that 😟

@Nsane211 Ай бұрын

@@CommandT Thank you 😊

@adrianthompson7033 Ай бұрын

I don't need convincing fellow. Years ago I bought Microsofts force feedback joystick, absolutely brilliant. I was playing SBK 2000, and was having trouble doing a fast lap. After purchasing my FFB joystick, not only was I quickly doing fast laps, I had the Ducati power sliding through corners like I was Mick Doohan. FFB completely transformed my experience playing SBK 2000.

@Power5 Ай бұрын

Still have my G940 in the basement. Was great when Black Shark first launched. It was my goto stick for DCS but eventually went to a center sprung VKB NXT. Do not fly enough to get it back out and figure out why I stopped using it.

@aaronwhite1786 Ай бұрын

Nice to see some high altitude Viggen flying.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Ha!

@theshawnmccown Ай бұрын

To deal with it's size for helos, I'd build a base for my rig to boost everything up a foot to give more room for realistic cyclic extensions. This would help with the Warthog too, if you have a long extension.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

The es exactly, you can do that but obviously this takes a bit of effort

@justaguydoinstuff Ай бұрын

This looks great. Can you do a video on how to setup with a VKB joystick?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

I can’t as I don’t have a VKB joystick but all you need is the right adapter for it. Just tell which stick you have when purchasing and you’ll have the right adapter

@nakotaapache4674 Ай бұрын

i hold bunch of MS Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 Joysticks. some collected from ebay and other private portals.

@helicalactual 3 күн бұрын

Does it have 35 newtons of force?

@stratcat3216 21 күн бұрын

F5 is my go to in DCS... I need this stick lol

@CommandT 7 күн бұрын

I would agree!!

@i386enki Ай бұрын

You should check out Brunner. And the CLS-E Mk II base. It’s definitely more money but I think probably covers any complaints you had. I believe it has an actively resettable center too? I don’t have one. Review it lmao

@ivaniuk123 Ай бұрын

Need one for the AH64

@TomP-148 Ай бұрын

Can you tune to have a break through area? Curious if you can simulate the elastic limit break for the mirage

@CommandT Ай бұрын

No, this is something that needs to come directly from Razbam, and it doesn’t as far as I can tell. I think there’s some DirextX limitations too. But no, Unfortuntaly not atm.

@seattime4075 Ай бұрын

Yep, they are great, been using a DIY yoke and stick for over a year. All the best.

@MrFloppyHare Ай бұрын

They are > they(a)re > they're.

@seattime4075 Ай бұрын

@@MrFloppyHare 😁

@Hackspear214 Ай бұрын

@@MrFloppyHareLet people > write the way > they want to write.

@MrFloppyHare Ай бұрын

@@Hackspear214 What a ridiculous notion. There, they’re and their mean something completely different. It has nothing to do with “how people want to express themselves” or “want to write”.

@9HighFlyer9 Ай бұрын

Tell me more about this diy yoke

@jazzdirt Ай бұрын

A long time ago I had a MS Sidewinder I and later the II.. I played a lot of IL2-Sturmovik (first one). It felt awesome... I always thought it was kinda dumb that joystick manufacturers moved away from FF (I do get it, niche market, expensive toys, but it just feels like we took such a big step backward in that respect). I haven't been able to enjoy flightsimming with a center spring... I miss a of info... This just might me get back to flightsimming again.. It's 'just slightly' outside my budget, so I might have a go at building one myself...

@wurzzzz Ай бұрын

It has nothing to do with market. There is a patent troll who has sued MS and every other FFB manufacturer for the past 20 years. FFBeast is a different design that gets around the patent.

@jazzdirt Ай бұрын

@@wurzzzz Didn't know that... That's annoying... Thanks for the info.. Learned something today...

@petebravo7180 Ай бұрын

Try playing with the saturation instead of the curves for helo’s. You can make the movement of the stick give less input to the actual control input without having to worry about the sensitivity at all certain trim point as it would be linear. You would loose some of the max range of the control but flying a help you don’t use that anyway

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yes but I don’t want to loose the max range of the deflections! It’s a compromise though I agree

@kyleashford9563 Ай бұрын

What collective are you using for the helicopter portion of the video?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Virpil MH60 one

@midnight7297 Ай бұрын

Does look superb and super tempted, but I hope some sort of commercially more available product comes out....larger production could get costs down a fair bit, plus more peace of mind for warranty and no customs _ taxes to deal with with international delivery. I really miss my old MS Force feedback stick

@midnight7297 Ай бұрын

and of course I wish I was good at DIY too. I dont mind the building kits part, but cutting/metal etc - ie stuff where have to use my brain a bit more....hopeless :)

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yeah that’s fair. I also do like the idea of something that is just plug and play! Once more and more people get into I think we will start to see mass production.

@Propeler3D Ай бұрын

I doubt price could be cut down fair bit. You could look at simracing market. The cheapest FFB bases with 10Nm+ there cost 500+ Eur. And you need basically to combine 2 of them and add some mechanics to get FFB joystick. Only DIY-ing could help to cut costs there.

@Propeler3D Ай бұрын

@@midnight7297 I hope DIY community will be growing and there will be more people who could just help you to build it. As will not be able to satisfy all demand in any case :)

@midnight7297 Ай бұрын

@@Propeler3D oh very true, its not about the price really, more about the confidence to DIY. I started with my own authentikit but gave up early on as couldn't calibrate my 3d printer to perfection which it needs....so the thought of metalwork just scares me lol....but - framing/cutouts aside, I bet the build itself if had all components would be fun. Maybe in future build kits could be sold :)

@FishbedBG Ай бұрын

Great video! Can you please share your profiles for FFB Commander?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

For which aircraft?

@joelmulder Ай бұрын

I hope they add support for Winwing sticks. If they do that, I would be very tempted to get it.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

For now I don’t think so however I’ve asked the developer. I’ll get back to you if they plan on implementing that soon.

@IvanGreguricOrtolan Ай бұрын

Damn man< I really did not need more diy projects in the pipeline...

@chesingleton1787 Ай бұрын

I was thinking about preordering one how long did it take to get yours?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Atm as far as I’m told it’s at least a year waiting time. I got mine before anyone else almost for a review.

@dudeinthesea Ай бұрын

amazing, I've never heard of force feedback stick before (with all the legal IP that i read about), how does DCS recognize how much pressure to push you hand and at which situation? is this already preprogrammed by the developers in anticipation of FFB joystick compatibility? I am very jealous of your setup!

@Hackspear214 Ай бұрын

I believe that as part of designing the flight model, all the information needed for the forces involved are generated. They simulate the force of the wind on the flight controls which should, as a by product, provide the amount of force working on the stick. This is an informed guess though. The Rhino includes software that provides extra effects like the stick shaking when guns are fired, elevator droop, improved stall effects, etc. It computes these from the telemetry DCS provides.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Not all the force feedback is modelled in each module as the forces are not necessarily related to pure aerodynamics from a programming point of view. So it varies model to model, and hence why the stick software offered it’s own force feedback that can be tuned on top of what each module offers

@Hackspear214 Ай бұрын

@@CommandT Very true. I only fly warbirds and am spoiled by DCS’s built in support. I sometimes forget there are other kinds of aircraft!

@ReGarage Ай бұрын

Welcome to what Microsoft force feedback 2 joystick did 24 years back. Back then there were Sims that naturally supported force feedback. The feeling I got back then I have never felt again. Sadly the gaming development companies killed these joysticks by stopping to support them. I still have 2 Microsoft force feedback joysticks and I only use them for gaming Sims

@Crispkind Ай бұрын

Wasn't it some company holding on to a patent to block companies from building them?

@MarkusPalm-zf3vh Ай бұрын

hopefully i get mine in the next time.....how long is the waiting time??

@CommandT Ай бұрын

A year atm

@shyneus9773 Ай бұрын

Do you know if FFB is looking to support WinWing grips in the future? I've fallen in love with their hats, material, and surface. Still a tempting offer to keep my Orion 2 with F-16 grip on the side, have a Thrustmaster F-18 grip in the middle. Would just need an force sensing base for the side lmao

@Propeler3D Ай бұрын

WinWing protocol is closed and proprietary. I will not be "hacking" and I doubt WinWing will open their protocol to me. So to connect WinWing you will need original WinWing controller

@CommandT Ай бұрын

I’ve asked the developer. I’ll get back to you 👍

@Mikestriken Ай бұрын

Any plans to purchase the VPForce FFB Stick to do a comparison video? I wonder if Walmis will send you a stick for free as well?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

No plans I’m afraid. I’m pretty happy using FFBeast for now.

@ZeSpektrum Ай бұрын

For DIY Rhino is far superior due to 3D printed closure and availability of different part kits which ship immediately.

@Bob-yp9wt Ай бұрын

I hope you try flying the Heatblur F4 when it comes out in a couple of weeks

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Absolutely! Can’t wait to see what it’s like 👍

@nate5land Ай бұрын

I had the opportunity to fly an F-16. The stick was, of course, fly by wire. It did not provide any forced feedback, in fact it was very stiff and hardly moved at all. Just some FYI purposes only.

@gnanaitvara1246 Ай бұрын

Was the idea to make it easier to control the plane in high G situations? As in the pilot doesn't have to physically move their arm as much?

@nate5land Ай бұрын

That was my basic take away. My father was an F-4 pilot in Vietnam. The F-4 had no fly by wire system and he said the faster you flew, the tighter the stick got. The F-16 was entirely different from that, it took a little getting used to (being on the side as opposed to center), but you could see how in high-g situations, when you can barely move yourself, that it was an advantageous ergonomics.

@nate5land Ай бұрын

It felt like the stick was stiff, but the more pressure you applied, the more the plane would turn. The controls were sensitive, so required fine motor skills. It’s tough to explain, but that’s my best attempt.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yeah this system is really not intended to replicate a pressure stick like the F-16. That’s a different concept

@slammerf16 Ай бұрын

Does the F14 module have FFB? Seems that would be the jet which would benefit most...

@CommandT Ай бұрын

I don’t fly it but yes it does! Supposedly it’s pretty good

@riman8493 Ай бұрын

Has the best FFB in-game.

@fastfed Ай бұрын

As someone who grew up on FF sticks, I cannot tell you all how much you're missing out on.. Even just doing ww2online, or MSCS 123, let alone a helo. Its game changing. how the industry went away from this and we are not up in arms is beyond me. We need FF sticks ASAP!!!

@C76Caravan 12 күн бұрын

"[...] how the industry went away from this and we are not up in arms is beyond me": Mostly due to some company hugging the patent for FFB for way too long and at a price too insane for consumer controls.

@marvmurphy Ай бұрын

One thing to look at on the issue you mentioned about the joystick becoming disconnected after a period of time of inactivity is the Windows USB Power Management settings. It's hard to fully explain over a KZfaq comment, but by default Windows power manages USB devices which simply means it turns them off after a period of inactivity. Through the Windows device manager, you can disable this 'fuction' so Windows no longer power manages the device which means it should never be turned off. Might not be the issue here, but Windows Power Management has certainly caused quite a few issues for me in the past! Thanks for all the videos on the Force Feedback stuff, I'm definitely tempted to get one myself.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Thanks! I actually already investigated this potential problem/ solution but Unfortuntaly I don’t think that was it. Thanks for the suggestion anyways though!

@fortel7939 Ай бұрын

Just imagine that with a VR headset, that would really put the immersion high

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yes indeed!

@mr.simulator4724 Ай бұрын

Thats exactly how I have been playng. Its like being a real pilot

@arashishimizu3026 Ай бұрын

Can you demonstrate in Warthunder as well, please?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

I don’t have Warthunder I’m afraid and I struggle for time so might not be able to, sorry 😞

@enggood5097 Ай бұрын

what grips it's compatible with? is Winwing grips compatible? thanks.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Winwing was not mentioned on FFBeast website unfortunately.

@Rlaxox Ай бұрын

Now we need force feedback ruddel pedals.

@petrmitchell4442 Ай бұрын

Did Heatblur F14 have full force feedback return?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

It does apparently, though I don't fly it.

@evansnyder430 Ай бұрын

I’m extremely interested in the DIY, but what is a true estimated total cost? Anything near 5-6 hundred is a 100% pull the trigger for me. Also is there an associated discord or group of people interested in building and currently building these things?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yep, FFBeast has a discord

@SLlPPP Ай бұрын

Whats it feel like flying a more modern aircraft with relatively no center detent?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Feels great 👍

@ibex1735 Ай бұрын

where in Cauc is the test range shown at 1:26?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Nowhere. I made it myself in the mission editor 🙂

@ibex1735 Ай бұрын

@@CommandT Im tryna look for that exact spot on the map bacause of that forest line

@Stoney3K Ай бұрын

How is the force feedback support in MSFS?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

It exists, but I haven’t tested it properly.

@rcca07 4 күн бұрын

I still have MyMicrosoft sidewinder force feedback Where do I find the software for the force feedback Microsoft, I misplaced or lost, I can't find my disc for it for the software program set up?

@CommandT 21 сағат бұрын

Sorry can’t help you there but there’s a few new force feedback sticks coming onto the market now

@jb-xc4oh Ай бұрын

The human body responds better to displacement mode in high stress situations where reaction time is important, force feedback is better for general conditions.

@bazyli23 14 күн бұрын

What kind of 5 cm extension do you use?

@CommandT 7 күн бұрын

What do you mean? Just a metallic cylinder

@bazyli23 7 күн бұрын

@@CommandT My question was not very precise. I meant, what brand/maker 5cm extension do you have? I know there were problems with short cable on some

@scootsmcgoots1 Ай бұрын

Lol love the random stiffness gigiddy jokes

@jubbernaut4049 Ай бұрын

Great video. Your data on the hornet is inaccurate. There is an increasing stick force per G above 22aoa but that affects the aircraft performance, not the stick force as such. The control box in the hornet is a bunch of springs and dampeners, that's it, no force from the fcs back it. What it manifests itself in is needing a larger deflection (therefore force) above 22aoa.

@Boslandschap1 Ай бұрын

I fully agree that getting tectile feedback about what's happening in the simulation is not only fun and immersive, it is also incredibly useful. I personally use a Simshaker Jetpad that delivers many of the indicators you mention besides the uniquely stick-related info. I would very much recommend the Jetpad for gamers who want to add this feedback, especially because it is quite a bit more affordable.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yeah that’s pretty cool too!

@bricktopperheadon5490 Ай бұрын

It’s made in russia, so a hard no for me. Just my opinion.

@redtailpilot 15 күн бұрын

Yep, It's VERY good at what it does! I bought mine around five years ago. Andre is a cool guy and has been a great asset to the flightsim community. Made in Russia.......who cares. It's made by a Russian citizen, trying to make a living, doing something he's passionate about.........NOT the Russian Gov't 🙄 Hell, DCS was originally made in Russia and most of the shit we use in our everyday lives in this country, is made in China 🤔😂 Love my Jetseat by Andre! Flying without it, feels bland. It's amazing how self-righteous some of us (US, UK, etc citizens) get, while completely ignoring all of the bloodshed and other corrupt shit our own Gov't has and continues to perpetrate all over the globe!!! Just my opinion ✌🏾

@redtailpilot 15 күн бұрын

Can't wait to add a FFB stick to my already awesome setup (VR, motion, etc). Now it's just a matter of waiting for which one is available first, this or the Rhino. On the waiting list of both 🙂

@bricktopperheadon5490 15 күн бұрын

@@redtailpilot I’m not American cowboy, nor a Brit. Who cares?……I do. If you want to shrug off what the russians are doing, nobody’s stopping you. Ironic that you can rant about people being self righteous, yet you can make lazy excuses for the russians and chinese to make yourself feel better. Just because you’re ignoring the crap your country is responsible for doesn’t mean everyone is. Have a …. day.

@fa-ajn9881 Ай бұрын

How is the mig-21?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Haven’t got it I’m afraid

@martinalvarez827 Ай бұрын

This joystick simulates the vibrations produced by the engine in piston airplanes and the vibration of the rotor in helicopters?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

So I actually enquired about this as well with helicopter pilots - you don’t have appreciable vibrations through the cyclic, when flying around in a helicopter. If you do… then something is going wrong. With regards to piston aircraft - same idea… you generally don’t have vibrations in the stick itself during normal operation. But maybe FFBeast can add an effect for a small vibrations to be there all the time when operating a warbird. Generally though I don’t think that’s necessary… maybe when half your wing is missing or the engine is misfiring blandly but atm we don’t have that… vibrations come when the rest of your cockpit is vibrating during buffet or stall ect. On landing - there’s a constant vibration from the wheels going over the tarmac - that’s an effect for all aircraft.

@Propeler3D Ай бұрын

It is only a mater of adding such effect in software. Joystick just produces torque. And it do not care if it is vibration or spring. I'm working on software constantly. And additional vibrations on different events are on roadmap as well. Even so them are not present on stick IRL my goal to satisfy as much user wishes as possible :)

@martinalvarez827 Ай бұрын

@@CommandT When the engine is at low revolutions it usually generates vibrations in the stick, as the revolutions increase they tend to disappear and become more subtle

@martinalvarez827 Ай бұрын

@@Propeler3D Another effect that would be great is that when the plane is stationary on the ground, by increasing or reducing the engine revolutions, the propwash causes the stick move to the center or forward according to the engine revolutions.

@aapje Ай бұрын

You should just get a tactile bass shaker like a buttkicker to get those kind of vibrations.

@PaddyPatrone Ай бұрын

The huge build size might be a problem for me

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yeah I agree that having to accommodate the big base does impose some restrictions on one’s set up.

@Propeler3D Ай бұрын

Unfortunately physics is playing against us there. You either have big motor, or weak motor :( I can make gimbal really small. But is impossible to find motor with high torque in small form factor.

@axeman3d Ай бұрын

I learned to fly in MS FlightSim in the early 90's with my force feedback stick. It was such a boon when I went for real lessons right afterwards. I do not understand why they went away, they should have improved greatly over time.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yep it’s bizarre! But on the plus side… they are coming back!

@Rlaxox Ай бұрын

Direct drive FFB sticks when...

@DraveS21 Ай бұрын

I have FFBeast. Are you able to share your profile for UH-1H?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Sure, just send me your email or contact me on Instagram and I’ll send you my Huey profile. @command_tango

@AlexGingell Ай бұрын

Do you know how much the base weighs?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

I don’t I’m afraid. I didn’t weigh it. It’s bloody heavy though.

@mintman825 Ай бұрын

as THE viggen guy i would absolutely kill to fly the viggen with ffb

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yeah it feels great with FFB 😃

@ShtrikeBirb Ай бұрын

what about force feedback in the harrier?

@fl398motorsports3 Ай бұрын

It works pretty well.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Haven’t tried it but can’t imagine it will be any worse than any of the other aircraft I’ve tried!

@gufo2020 Ай бұрын

really a labour of love......not to mention the "DIY" option!! I still use an MS FFB2 and really can't understand why there's so no attention to the flightsim market, even after the MSFS success, the upcoming successor and, on the other side, how insane is the FFB market for driving simulation!!! Wondering if the software can be made compatible with old FFB, directX based, stick....giving them a second life 😅

@mr.simulator4724 Ай бұрын

These are all using the same directx drivers. You can use those no problem in dcs, I had logitech ffb sticks and now I have microsoft ffb2 and they all work the same. The reason this one is so much better is because its kind of like comparing a old microsoft wheel with 180 degree rotation to a csl dd and tryng to drive a 900 degree of steering wheel car with the 180 degree wheel versus using a 900 degree wheel with a 900 degree car. So that means if your going to put the software of a csl dd on a microsoft sidewinder steering wheel it wont magically turn it into a csl dd

@gufo2020 Ай бұрын

@@mr.simulator4724 absolutely, never thought that....and i hope some change in the flightsim peripheral market

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yeah I expect more people to get into this soon. It’s so much extra immersion. I agree it’s crazy it’s taking this long for this to come to flight simulation!

@YouTuber-jz5nd Ай бұрын

I was hoping to see how the F-14 worked with the FFBeast. Can you comment on that?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Unfortunately I don’t have the F-14. I can only imagine it would be awesome though!

@YouTuber-jz5nd Ай бұрын

@@CommandT thanks for the reply though. I appreciate it.

@mr.simulator4724 Ай бұрын

I like openffboard

@Daniel-jq4qk Ай бұрын

I would argue especially in case of Helos and Warbirds is that a FF Rudder system would realllllllyyyy change the game for you but having both.. .Mmmmm yyaaaa..

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yeah I imagine especially for warbirds that would defo make a great deal of difference! Might get some!

@daqq 15 күн бұрын

Are those scooter motors?

@CommandT 15 күн бұрын

Haha 😆

@fa-ajn9881 Ай бұрын

Is there significant cogging effect you can feel?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Nope, zero

@fa-ajn9881 Ай бұрын

@@CommandT great to hear!

@PhantomWorks01 Ай бұрын

The real hornet’s stick absolutely does move when you adjust the trim. Not sure why it’s not modeled in DCS.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Are you sure?

@PhantomWorks01 Ай бұрын

@@CommandT yup. 100%. Done it many times.

@swedishbones8937 Ай бұрын

Please redo the Finnish Hornet demo with the force feedback joystick.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

I’ll do a hornet demo with it for sure. Might do the Finish one since we are getting the Kola map too!

@Kiwi_Dave 15 күн бұрын

It's absolutely nothing like how a real helicopter feels. Suggest you do an intro flight to see for yourself.

@CommandT 15 күн бұрын

I will but I’ve also spoken to multiple helicopter pilots who confirmed what I have is correct 🤷‍♂️ Can you tell me what in your opinion is not right?

@Kiwi_Dave 15 күн бұрын

@@CommandT Because PC desktop sims are still very basic compared to the real thing.. Flying a helicopter is all about feel, with sims unless they are Level-D or above you have none of that feeling that you get from a real helicopter. Often first sign of an issue is an unusual feeling an odd vibration from the normal motion. When you transition into and out of ground effect it's all feel. Desktop sims are basic, feels more like you are just flying a camera around with 6 DOF wrapped in a graphic that looks and sounds like a helicopter. In that video you're making almost no rudder or collective inputs even though you're transitioning into a hover and landing. You need to experience real helicopter for yourself, take a intro flight at a local flight school.

@Deceter Ай бұрын

Are you related to Crash Laobi?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Nope. Strange why you would think so 😆

@Deceter Ай бұрын

Maybe your sense of humour 🤷🏻‍♂️ We do miss him.

@Frankestein01nl Ай бұрын

Funny, how il2 back then and DCS are the only games that actually has any good ffb. MSFS should get the lead out and implement ffb. Still using an old logi 940 here. FFB in flightsims is just crusial for epic enjoyment.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Yep!

@dg6546 Ай бұрын

How about f16?

@CommandT Ай бұрын

F-16 is a pressure stick so it’s pretty unique… I would suggest looking into F-16 pressure stick bases instead

@skatterpro Ай бұрын

I'm sold! Now to rob a bank and spend the next 10 years convincing my wife I need a sim room.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Ha! The wife needs to go if she doesn’t let you have a sim room 😆

@DraveS21 Ай бұрын

About downsides of the stick. In reality f-18 and modern jets have really high centering force. Up to 17kg at max deflection (in hornet). I see that you have very small force set (plus dampers) - thats why you have loose center. I also think that FFBest is so much precise, and movement with 10cm extension is so much travel, that there is no need to setting curvature. I have totally linear way i all aircrafts and 0 problems with that but benefits. Moreover in such precise device adding curvature causes less precision because travel for small adjustment is too big. I have problem to airrefuel with f-18, because i have loose center and curvature. Lets try to increase forces to get strong center and remove curvature. I do not have so much precise during refueling ever.

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Interesting that the forces are so high. Is that written somewhere? But of course the lever arm on the real F-18 is a lot longer than 10cm. That’s why my force is so much lower.

@DraveS21 Ай бұрын

@@CommandT 17kg is more than FFBeast can produce, so in max deflection you should have max FFBeast power :D. I am not setting it so high but in about 70%. It costs some muscle power but don't we want realism as simmers? ;). And in my opinion if you used to it then precision is amazing - because of muscle memory

@adriankoch964 Ай бұрын

It really is a a shame that Microsoft sabotaged Joysticks in general with the launch of xbox and their changes to input API that conformed to just generic xbox configuration gamepads in windows. I really inhibited joystick compatibility and made making hardware for them depend on developing emulation software that simulated multiple gamepads and distribute inputs to them.

@ainsleystones4600 Ай бұрын

Oh dear. I love it. Better sell something....

@CommandT Ай бұрын

Haha

@creriey4945 7 күн бұрын

my stick is beginning to vibrate as well from watching this

@squid11160 Ай бұрын

Idle joystick disconnect smells of usb power saving in windows

@CommandT Ай бұрын

I checked - doesn’t seem to be the case.

@adrianthompson7033 Ай бұрын

I know Mick rode the Honda, and Casey rode the Ducati. I am a little biased, Mick is a five time world champion.

@ShorebasePaul 19 күн бұрын

I too really liked my sidewinder two FF, but about a year ago it stopped working with xPlane and MsFS, even with a licensed paid for version of FSForce. It just shuddered in a steady rythm, no matter what adjustments I made. So I bought a Rhino FF, and it's in a different class alltogether. Much more force and very detailed feedback. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jd-eiKmH3J2XgXU.html