Commodore Amiga Power Supply (PSU) Repair (312503-02 27090)

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5 жыл бұрын

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A quick repair and restore of an Amiga 500 / 500+ Power Supply. The cause of the fault was a new one to me!
#commodore #amiga #psu #repair #retrogaming #vintagecomputing

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@ytboy4
@ytboy4 Жыл бұрын
I don't typically comment on videos, however, I have the exact same PSU and I had the exact same problem with the choke, lots of corrosion and 2 wires not connected to the pins. I managed to botch a connection and have successfully brought it back to life. Excellent video and descriptions of the work.
@Eric-uf8zx
@Eric-uf8zx 5 жыл бұрын
Nice job, it's quite rare to see a common mode choke fail, don't think I've ever seen that before.
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
I've never seen one fail on an Amiga PSU, and I've also never seen one where both the live and neutral connections fail at the same time either! In this case I am sure it was just corrosion that did it.
@stevensexton5801
@stevensexton5801 5 жыл бұрын
I normally replace the browned resistors and bend the legs so they are off the board a bit. Gives the resistor room to "breath".
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's a good idea for sure!!!
@Graytail
@Graytail 5 жыл бұрын
Do you think it might be a good idea to put one of those mini heatsinks meant for a raspberry pi around that hot resistor?
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
The problem would be mounting it to the two resistors (without shorting anything). The better solution might be to replace the resistors with ones that handle twice as much current (instead of 1/4 watt, go with 1/2 watt), and leave the legs longer so they sit further away from the PCB. You would need to put insulation or heat shrink around the extended legs though.
@keithmcgerr3056
@keithmcgerr3056 5 жыл бұрын
Nice vid, I have to say these are the only Amiga psu I use, for the simple reasons you sum up at the end!
@xephorce
@xephorce 5 жыл бұрын
thank you again for the hella good video man. I got a tip for getting water out of the plastic screw holes, get you a can of air duster with the straw tip and shove it in there and squeeze the water will spray right out. I wish I had your skills I can do a lot but damn your good, I know I have said it before but you inspire me to try harder. Thank You
@RetroGadgetMan
@RetroGadgetMan 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. I learnt alot.
@Four_X
@Four_X 5 жыл бұрын
Top repair there Chris. Got to say I wasn't expecting the problem to be the choke, I had my money on the optocoupler.
@AdamSommer70
@AdamSommer70 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting look into the dark art of power supplies, thanks for posting!
@Plan-C
@Plan-C 5 жыл бұрын
Nice fix. Wish I had seen this a while ago. Once got a bolt off a tiny 400v cap in a usb charger. Had a hell of a kick for a tiny little thing lol.
@markthackray3185
@markthackray3185 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed your video. I repair a lot of Atari 8 bit gear, especially the 1050. A lot of the faulty ones have those 'richey' caps in them and often come across failures. Great to see you restoring the retro gear!
@alankerrigan
@alankerrigan 5 жыл бұрын
Learn something new every day.. cheers
@gregdunlap7538
@gregdunlap7538 5 жыл бұрын
Oooo, really looking forward to that Amiga 500 motherboard repair! I haven't tried this myself, but I've read that the Amiga will run without the -12V, but the audio will be distorted (and of course the serial port won't work), which corroborates what you've heard.
@cavancullen7336
@cavancullen7336 5 жыл бұрын
love your repair vids!
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks =D
@JWalterHawkes
@JWalterHawkes 5 жыл бұрын
steady hand you have there. I have shorted pins on a c64 psu trying to measure. Easy to do. AND you were filming. Most impressive.
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks lol =D
@zxkim8136
@zxkim8136 5 жыл бұрын
Great repair Chris I thought the octocoupler would be the culprit for certain great vlog as always 🦁🐵🦁 Kim 😁😁😁
@pepeshopping
@pepeshopping 5 жыл бұрын
I would not have taken the plug fuse out. Simple continuity test and done!
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! There are 2 reasons to remove the fuse - 1) To test it 2) to make sure its 3A and not 5 or 13A...
@georgelea4297
@georgelea4297 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Chris I thought it might be a problem in the plug or the capacitors might have leaked keep up the awesome content 👍
@loganjorgensen
@loganjorgensen 5 жыл бұрын
It's the plight of the cables that lay on the floor to absorb all the dirt people don't clean up heh.
@BB-ce3bj
@BB-ce3bj 5 жыл бұрын
1. WRT caps, it pays to replace them with modern low-ESR ones, even if they seem fine, especially ones that get pounded by high frequency burst during work - typically ones on the secondary side of such and similar switching PSU units. 2. it's prudent to resolder everthing, so that you disolve possible odxid cracks. 3. for components that show obvious signs of heating, use bigger rating ones ( like resistors etc) and lift them a bit above pcb, so they can dissipate heat better. 4. at 09:00 on low-middle part of the picture ( above "LOTSEITE 0201" mark) you have what seem to be poorly metalized or wetted via. I would plug a bit of wire in it and resolder it on both sides...
@amigadude6409
@amigadude6409 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video.....my fuse blew on my psu a few days ago...got some on order.
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Check the switching transistor and bridge rectifier before you power it back up to make sure they aren't shorted.
@arcadeuk
@arcadeuk 5 жыл бұрын
Good work mate
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate! Long time no see - really miss videos on your channel!!!!!
@Neffers_UK
@Neffers_UK 5 жыл бұрын
And here's me wondering what I'm going to do this Sunday evening. Of course GadgetUK drops a new vid, day is fixed. Btw guys, GadgetUK's patreon is super low regarding tiers, as in, there's one tier, and it's a quid / dollar. You do get advanced episodes as and when, but it's not about that, Gadge puts all the effort he has into making them for us to watch. Please join me in helping the guy out. Thanks :)
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Hehe, thanks mate! Sorry it's not mega interesting content this week, but I do have a number of Amiga repairs coming up!
@Neffers_UK
@Neffers_UK 5 жыл бұрын
@@GadgetUK164 We can all learn from the simplest of things. I dare say there's peeps out there that do not realise bulbs need to be replaced, for example.
@ScrubLord_
@ScrubLord_ 5 жыл бұрын
GOOD JOB ON MYMATEVINCE’S CHANNEL
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers =D
@ScrubLord_
@ScrubLord_ 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@spidermcgavenport8767
@spidermcgavenport8767 5 жыл бұрын
I find it incredibly useful when IPA is concerned, using canned air evaporates that IPA in seconds.
@39Kohm
@39Kohm 5 жыл бұрын
Tormenting me with the Northern rain :P It's been scorching today here in Canada :P
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Haha =D
@8bitdreams217
@8bitdreams217 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, 4.5A is a good one. You need such current if You have accelerator and clockport with USB built in
@DerMartexus
@DerMartexus 5 жыл бұрын
I have three PSUs to repair but am still shying at doing it. Probably everything has to be redone, ones started with one thing. Broken cables, bloated caps. These videos tend to push me a little bit.. ;) The PSU you repaired is from Braunschweig.
@danielmantione
@danielmantione 5 жыл бұрын
To my knowledge Commodore's factory in Braunschweig didn't build PSUs?
@DerMartexus
@DerMartexus 5 жыл бұрын
@@danielmantione The backside of the plastic cover has an imprint: "Made in W.-Germany" which, in 1987 and further on, was Braunschweig. I'm sure they just put it all together but "LOTSEITE" is definitely german.
@danielmantione
@danielmantione 5 жыл бұрын
@@DerMartexus That's true, but... the sticker on the transformer says that is made by Ismet, which was one of Commodore's power supply manufacturers. If you look at some of the documents we have from Ismet, such as the Commodore 128 power supply schematic, it says "Schwenningen": www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/schematics/computers/c128/power/ps-128.gif Ismet still exists and if you visit their website, you will still see that they are still situated in Schwenningen today. As far as I understand it, Commodore Werk Braunschweig did assembly of the computers: Mainboard, keyboard, floppy drive were installed into the cases, then combined with assesories such as the power supply and packaged. It looks like the vast majority of computers made in Braunschweig have the Ismet power supply, but it is not a rule: It looks like some of the West-German Amigas got shipped with power supplies from Dee Van.
@DerMartexus
@DerMartexus 5 жыл бұрын
@@danielmantione Aaah, thanks for researching! :) That's an interesting backstory.
@RacerX-
@RacerX- 5 жыл бұрын
Nice repair and save on that one! That board was filthy. And you are correct the A500 PSUs are beefier then the A1200. I still have my A1200 PSU but I don't use it. I generally use an A500 one. I think you have motivated me to recap them suckers.
@uK8cvPAq
@uK8cvPAq 5 жыл бұрын
Funny how both ends of the choke went open circuit at the same time. BTW those Chinese ESR tester things have a built in calibration routine you can run, mine seemed more accurate after running it.
@herbmyers805
@herbmyers805 5 жыл бұрын
A little heat shrink on probes works good
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Great idea!
@retrogamer33
@retrogamer33 5 жыл бұрын
I need to get myself a power supply for my £8 Amiga 500 plus - bought the computer last year and still haven't bought a bloody power supply!
@amigadude6409
@amigadude6409 5 жыл бұрын
OMG £8 !!!
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
My last 500+ was £8 too lol - mum and dad picked it up from a car boot sale.
@rfancella
@rfancella 5 жыл бұрын
Off topic: I have an old JAMA arcade board that I would send you if you want it. It was in a broken cab I picked up years ago. The game is Dead Angle and plays a lot like Operation Wolf. I have no way of powering it up so I don't know if it works or not. If not, it does have a ton of LS74 chips I will harvest off it, but I hate to see it just scrapped.
@leesaunders5458
@leesaunders5458 5 жыл бұрын
Your uk A500 power supplies are so much more simple than the Australian delivered ones.
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
There are different versions of the PSU! Some of the UK ones are probably similar (if not almost identical) to the one you have! I might get chance to look at others in future!
@leesaunders5458
@leesaunders5458 5 жыл бұрын
@@GadgetUK164 I will try to put up some photos on instagram later of mine and tag you
@danielmantione
@danielmantione 5 жыл бұрын
Commodore had several manufacturers of the PSUs: I know Ismet, Dee Van and Mitsumi. There is a sticker on the transformer that says "Ismet", so this was a PSU manufactured by Ismet. The PSUs between different manufacturers look identical from the outside, are electrically very comparable, but the construction is completely different. Besides this, there are 2.5A Amiga PSUs and 4.5A PSUs. Both types were made by the different manufacturers. And there are also different voltage versions. So all in all, there are quite a few different PSUs out in the field and it is always a bit of a surprise what you get. However, Ismet seems to be most common in Europe.
@Kholaslittlespot1
@Kholaslittlespot1 2 жыл бұрын
Need to attempt this myself on a couple of PSUs soon and need to get my confidence up. Think I need to watch a few more videos but this was really helpful, thanks. Edit: what's a 'conformal coating'?
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 2 жыл бұрын
Conformal coating is just a coating they sometimes cover a PCB with, to protect connections from corrosion or the elements.
@EXITMUSIC2011
@EXITMUSIC2011 5 жыл бұрын
I know the guy who did gfx for that game! Apparently the game was never finished.
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Which game?
@EXITMUSIC2011
@EXITMUSIC2011 5 жыл бұрын
@@GadgetUK164 the one shown in video. Packland?
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
I thought it was a completed game? Pacland!
@andrewlittleboy8532
@andrewlittleboy8532 5 жыл бұрын
I always find it strange they don't mount the high wattage resistors away from the board to stop all that heat damage to the pcb? All they need to do is leave the legs longer and mount it higher.
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, a nice tip someone else just posted too was to perhaps replace and leave longer legs on them!
@gregjarvis1232
@gregjarvis1232 5 жыл бұрын
Gday Chris, Did you used to work in electronic's shop of some kind?! or has this always just been a passion project along with adding consoles to you're collection as someone with your skill of repair would be valuable to the gaming community!!
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I used to work in the industry, but way back in 1994 ish I moved into Software Development (not through want but need at the time, and just ended up spending most of my career in the software side rather than hardware).
@discoHR
@discoHR 5 жыл бұрын
OpAmps on audio output could be using -12V. OpAmps usually require +15V and -15V, or in this case +12V and -12V.
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah, I did mention it might be used by the audio stuff but couldn't quite remember on this boards.
@danielson9579
@danielson9579 5 жыл бұрын
3amp fuse ive allways used higher than that 5amp
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
When you use a fuse larger than it needs (and it needs a 3A), that means if the device develops a short, it could pull up to the capacity of the fuse. So for example with a 13A fuse that means the cables and PSU could get super heated whilst 10A is drawn due to a direct short somewhere. Next thing you know you have a fire!
@samysplace6493
@samysplace6493 4 жыл бұрын
hey, hope you’re Fine . We recapped our Amiga 2000 power supply but unfortunately now we have trouble with the 12V rail. It only outputs 10V and drops dramatically when under load. Do you have any advice?
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 4 жыл бұрын
It's ages since I looked at an A2000 PSU, so off the top of my head I am not sure. You might want to re-inspect it to make sure the cap solder points are correct. I am not sure if the -12v comes from a 7912 or something similar on there, it could just be a failing regulator.
@Neffers_UK
@Neffers_UK 5 жыл бұрын
Never forget Alice. She left a legacy.
@retrogamer33
@retrogamer33 5 жыл бұрын
Alice! - Who the f*ck is Alice? (Roy Chubby Brown)
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Indeed lol - Who the f*ck is Alice? It's Alison!!!!
@Neffers_UK
@Neffers_UK 5 жыл бұрын
@@GadgetUK164 My bad, I'm terrible with names Bob :/
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
@@Neffers_UK No problem Dave!
@Neffers_UK
@Neffers_UK 5 жыл бұрын
@@GadgetUK164 Haha, good old Trigger :D That scene where Rodney is sat with him in the town hall and Rodney explains it nice and slow. So brilliant.
@Graytail
@Graytail 5 жыл бұрын
A silly question perhaps, but you are having a far easier time desoldering things than I do, is that down to the flux you're using? Also, what method would you reccomend for removing SMD electrolitic caps? I have three A1200s that probbably need to be done, and I really dont want to lift pads like I did with my A600. That broke the RF and Composit outputs... so glad the miggies have that RGB output too! Not sure if its down to the 2.05 rom, or damage from leaked caps, but it wouldnt recognise a CF card harddrive, what would you do to clean up that cap-vomit? I'd really like to be able to give it a little harddrive full of games as I intend to give the A600 to an old Amiga user who cant afford ebay prices for an A500
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
There are a few things to consider when you are struggling to desolder. The first is temperature - if the solder is just not coming out of the hole at all I would suspect you aren't using enough heat, or an iron with not enough power. Flux does help, but often I just use leaded solder containing a flux core. You can use separate flux, something like Chip Quik or Amtech. Regards the Amiga not reading the CF card HDD, it could be a damaged connection on the motherboard where the old capacitors have leaked. Clean up leaked electrolyte with white vinegar, and then IPA. You may then need to work out where traces are damaged using connectivity test on a multimeter, and bridge any broken connections with kynar wire or something similar.
@Graytail
@Graytail 5 жыл бұрын
@@GadgetUK164 Oh through-hole are no problem, I use a solder station so I can turn up the heat on stubborn componants and add fresh solder to the old stuff before drawing it off with a solder vacuum, but the caps in the amiga are just a pain because of the way the pads are positioned. It makes it hard to desolder one side and lift it so you can desolder the other side. My solder is all flux cored, but I have a pot of waxy flux too which I've only recently started to use. Honestly, I didnt know what it even was, as all the flux I've seen people use has been liquid. As to the IDE, I was afraid that this would be the case, I cant SEE any track damage but that could all be around the pins of the IDE header. There was I think a little fuzzing of surface componants but it sure did stink of fish so the leak may be worse than it appears. I didnt know that pain white vinegar and IPA would clean it out though, I'll get some as soon as I can. Any damaged tracks I tend to use lines from an old IDE ribbon cable, small and flexable, and not much thicker than the original tracks in many cases. I and my 'miggies thank you ^_^
@doctorsocrates4413
@doctorsocrates4413 7 ай бұрын
I have a voltage saver for my commodore 64c...Is there something similar for the amiga500 as well.?
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 7 ай бұрын
There isn't! And it's not as essential as that type of failure is a lot less on Amiga Power Supplies. You can get more modern PSUs for the Amiga.
@TheHighlander71
@TheHighlander71 5 жыл бұрын
My c128 psu has the same form factor, but the inside is much less clean, design wise. What does a choke do Chris? It looked like a pretty simple device.
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
It filters high frequency noise from the mains there! The name is a clue - it kind of "chokes" the connections so only lower frequency can pass through.
@TheHighlander71
@TheHighlander71 5 жыл бұрын
@@GadgetUK164 Ah. That makes sense. Thanks Chris. Learned something.
@danielmantione
@danielmantione 5 жыл бұрын
@@GadgetUK164 It is the other way around! Allthough it is true that the choke stops high frequency noise in both directions, the goal in a switched PSU is more to prevent high frequency noise from escaping *to* mains. The mains wires in building are fantastic radio transmitters, therefore noise generated inside power supplies is better kept inside.
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Ah, I never knew that and actually that makes perfect sense!
@castleladpaza76
@castleladpaza76 5 жыл бұрын
A lot of old electronics from back in the day wasn't just cigarette smoke most was from old coal fires what gave of A lot of smoke and dust. Never understood why people say cigarette straight away. The older generation should know the UK was bad for Smokey council estates back in the day.
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Good point! We used to have a coal fire! In this case it was from cigarette smoke though - you could smell it when cleaning the PCB. Nice and clean at the end though!
@kriswillems5661
@kriswillems5661 4 жыл бұрын
Fixing older switched mode power supplies is really not that difficult, because they've no switching IC which can break.
@anks888
@anks888 5 жыл бұрын
You can just jump the common mode choke out it is to stop noise being sent back out onto the mains. Still best to repair or replace it but totally unnecessary for operation
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, yes, I gathered I could just have bypassed it but didn't want any noise problems!
@danielson9579
@danielson9579 5 жыл бұрын
Dirty as ya like 😁
@chrisj8307
@chrisj8307 5 жыл бұрын
Or just throw that turd away and install a modern meanwell 😁
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
I see no need to install a Meanwell in there! They might be more efficient, but these things have lasted 30 years so far, I expect they will last another 30 once fixed.
@chrisj8307
@chrisj8307 5 жыл бұрын
@@GadgetUK164 probably true but id rather be om the safe side replacing internals for my daily driver 👍
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
One thing you cannot be sure of - how will the meanwell fail, will it spike one of the voltage lines, will one line go higher than it should (eg. 10v instead of 5v). One thing with these old Amiga PSUs is at least you know how they've been failing over the last 30 years - in predicable ways that often just means you need new caps or a resistor and your Amiga didn't die as a result of the failure. The other problem is they don't seem to use decent caps - how long they will last is anyones guess.
@csabasanta5696
@csabasanta5696 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like the transistor is missing its heatsink
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
Not all transistors are heat sinked! This design didn't rely on a heat sink!
@csabasanta5696
@csabasanta5696 5 жыл бұрын
@@GadgetUK164 Thanks for the info, I came to the same conclusion while watching the video. This transistor looks different to those I have in my PSUs. Good to know :). BTW, the bottom side of the board comes with a thick coat of flux from the factory. Probably that's why it picked up all the dirt during the decades. Awesome video BTW, I'm glad to see another Amiga PSU repair video! Thanks!
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
To be fair, a heat sink could help with the life of the transistor, so it's certainly a way to help extend its life perhaps!
@AcornElectron
@AcornElectron 5 жыл бұрын
Northern? Sounslikeyerfromrowndear.
@josephneale10215
@josephneale10215 5 жыл бұрын
X
@AmigaWolf
@AmigaWolf 5 жыл бұрын
From what I know they cannot be higher or lower then 10% of the Uf they are, am I right about that?
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 5 жыл бұрын
The tolerance marking on caps indicates that they can be a % lower or higher than they are rated! You can swap out smoothing caps on a PSU like this with a higher capacity. Sometimes it helps! On the ST PSU for example, uprating the 2200uF caps to 4700uF caps gives better stability. Any capacitor used as a filter, or for timing, coupling signals etc should be replaced like for like, but smoothing supply rails you can generally uprate.
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