Commodore Plus/4 Games & Inspection

Commodore Plus/4 Games & Inspection | Nostalgia Nerd

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The Commodore Plus/4 released in 1984 was an attempt by Commodore to jump on the home productivity and business boat by creating a computer with built in business software. It failed, but it's still an interesting piece of computing history. Not compatible with the Commodore 64, but offering slightly different specifications, it has a reasonable amount of software and peripherals. In this video I'll be loading some games, typing in some code and looking at the Plus/4 in general.
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@chakyikac6781 6 жыл бұрын

I can't believe nobody knows about one more hidden gem +4 has: built-in machine code monitor.

@EllipticRecords 6 жыл бұрын

The Plus 4 was my first computer and remember it well. Loved playing Treasure Island, that was my fav.

@azop 8 жыл бұрын

The joystick port two is basically the port one. the same thing was done in commodore 64; most games used post 2 instead of 1

@arvizturotukorfurogep6235 8 жыл бұрын

A couple of things: -The key combination to invoke the command line in the built-in utilities is CBM+C. You could ram the lonely CBM key all year and it wouldn't work :) -There isn't any higher resolution graphics mode in the Plus/4 over C16, its the same graphics modes in both. -But both the C16 and the Plus/4 DO have a smooth scrolling capability! -You didn't talk about the reset switch, which, like the cursor keys, is a minor but god-sent commodity which C64s could have used. -Neither talked about the TED chip, the core of the C16 / Plus/4 range, combining video, sound, and I/O into a single cheapo chippy (basically all the features that the C64 had custom chips for and made it famous/did mostly better). -There is no mouse made for the Plus/4, but the C64's 1351 mouse can be used in joystick emulation mode and with a joystick port converter. Even GEOS got ported over to the Plus/4 and was sold in Germany!

@johnparker007 6 жыл бұрын

The bouncing ball program should actually move the ball up and down too! There's an error in the handwritten listing, line 40 should read: 40 LET R=R+DR ...then the ball will bounce all around the screen instead of just left/right :)

@zemaj0 8 жыл бұрын

excellent video used to have her Commodore plus 4 back in the day I forgot it was backwards compatible with the Commodore 16 thanks for the memories

@TruAnRksT 4 жыл бұрын

I had one of these, it was great, I got it basically as a door prize for listening to a real estate scam. It cost me nothing. I learned basic on it. I bought the 1541 to go with it. Worked great for about a year then static brought it down. I have two of them now.

@104d_3rr0r_vince 7 жыл бұрын

This machine needs a good cleaning and probably the enter key will work again.

@Consoletronix 8 жыл бұрын

Great overview man. The plus 4 was my first computer and i remember all those games, mastertronic were the main software developers for the machine.

@LuriTV 6 жыл бұрын

The Commodore plus 4 was my first own computer as well. But I didn't actually got games for it. My brother inherited the C64 with datasette and disc drive instead. So I had to made my own games with basic instead at this time.

@scottbreon9448 6 жыл бұрын

Mastertronic, Kingsoft, and Anco were pretty much the three big game developers for the TED model Commodores

@r5cpt 6 жыл бұрын

Couldn't be arsed to fix the keyboard? I expected a bit more from a Nostalgia Nerd video. This was shoddy.

@werre2 5 жыл бұрын

so was the machine. Gzus christ. I remember seeing _one_ of these ever in real life. Beyond pathetic.

@interlace84 8 жыл бұрын

At 16:29 the ghost of the haunted Commodore c16 Plus/4 appears.

@RetroDawn 5 жыл бұрын

Woah! What was that?

@Volker-Dirr Жыл бұрын

It is not on the screen. It is in front of it. Looks like cobweb or hair with a lot of dust or something like that. It is falling down and flying up again (since by chance he talk/breath/wave to the desktop and so the air bounce and push it up again).

@KindaLeon 7 жыл бұрын

The c16 was the first computer I ever used, my family got one for Christmas in 1985. I remember the Mastertronic games well, in fact you have two of the games I owned, Mr Puniverse and Spectipede. I remember the first day we got Spectipede, we put it on and my Dad was way better than I was at it, so I got upset and hid it. Haha.

@Jasonificatiation 7 жыл бұрын

Kinda Leon LOL!

@mjaap 7 жыл бұрын

A friend of mine owned one - they (C16 and Plus/4) were sold on the cheap at the super market. German publisher Kingsoft had a good reputation for developing quality software for these machines, including clones of Winter and Summer Games. The BASIC was quite nice, but a couple of years later someone developed a BASIC extension for the C64 that brought all the BASIC 3.5 commands to the C64.

@JohnGodwin 7 жыл бұрын

This video has only been playing two minutes, and maybe it's in the video, but this was the first computer I ever owned, and Fire Ant was amazing.

@dankcum 8 жыл бұрын

nice gear! didn't even know this existed until your video!

@Weird.Dreams 7 жыл бұрын

Love your videos dude. Yoghurt is correct, WTF Bob?

@rifter0x0000 5 жыл бұрын

Yoghurt has been considered correct in the past, but the spelling most often used these days is yogurt. I guess back in the 80s they used that spelling on this game, but I do remember seeing the h spelling in the 80s. The thing about games back then is they were very literal. Exact spelling, usually capitalization, and sometimes punctuation were required, much like almost anything you'd do on the computer. There weren't generally a lot of alternate acceptable answers.

@TheKsax 8 жыл бұрын

Another vintage goodness. Love hearing about obscure systems.

@tschak909 5 жыл бұрын

The PLUS/4 was not the original intent of the machine design. The 116 was. The port arrangement and selection were literally a result of the much smaller 116 footprint, where the connectors that had become standard on the VIC-20 and C64, simply would not fit on the case. When the 116 became the 264, and 364, the keyboard was improved, and the casing was retooled to fit the larger keyboard, but the connectors were brought over, verbatim.

@WendeXTX 8 жыл бұрын

Considering the failure of the Plus/4 and 16 I'm impressed with the number of games it has. Also, Commodore had a Royal Warrant? Now I have visions of the Queen playing Turrican.

@Hunnenhorst 6 жыл бұрын

Nice to see my first Computer here on KZfaq. I had mine upgraded with a 1551 Floppy Disk drive. I enjoyed playing games on it, even if I was always a but jealous about my friends who owned a C64 and had loads of games to play where I only had a hand full. Later I actually did even work with it and used it for typing documents. I do not remember with which application, it surely was not the built in. I even built a printer interface that enabled me to hook up a printer with a centronics interface to the Plus/4. I used an HP LaserJet 4l with it.

@onlyonewhyphy 8 жыл бұрын

Off to look for modern, heavy mixes of the Blockbusters theme

@werre2 5 жыл бұрын

"good box art coming here"

@Mack-op1vw 7 жыл бұрын

Cool very cool, always wondered about this machine, as for the keyboard the c64 had rubber key cups quite easy to clean if i remember correctly.

@Jasonificatiation 7 жыл бұрын

well i got my 8-bit style jam in for the day. 19:30

@miked4377 5 жыл бұрын

great video..was always interested in why commodore brought these to market ...love seeing obscure systems though..block busters would be fun with 2players!

@tylisirn 6 жыл бұрын

Most Commodore games used port 2 because port 1 interferes badly with the keyboard. The joysticks don't have dedicated input pins in the CIA, they're wired in through the keyboard matrix. Either the Plus/4 had the same setup, or it was just inertia from the 64 (may as well use the same conventions, since users will be used to them).

@larssg 8 жыл бұрын

Sorry, but I can't help myself: If you change CR to DR on line 40 of the bouncing ball program, it should also move up and down.

@thegreathadoken6808 8 жыл бұрын

My very first system. Jack Attack the first game I played, along with some text adventure with a boulder I couldn't get past and a couple of others I can't remember. Now you're speaking my language!

@thegreathadoken6808 8 жыл бұрын

I remember arsing around with joysticks. Most of the time I just used the keyboard, as an 8 year old I had no concept of fixing any issue more complicated than "Press 'play' on tape".

@andygozzo72 7 жыл бұрын

you dont need to switch off and on to restart, there is a reset button 😉

@EdgyNumber1 8 жыл бұрын

interesting, Dave Pleasance sales and marketing team sold shed loads of these to Brazil, if I recall. His boss offered a case of champagne to those that sold every 25 units. (it was that bad..) He, in particular, got champagne by the truckload.

@rusrad74 6 жыл бұрын

Still got mine, all still nicely boxed, plus the 10 games it came with on special offer in UK, Fire Ant, Icicle Works, Treasure island, Excorsist and a few I cant remember, but not the worst computer I owned lol :D

@be236 4 жыл бұрын

I have this Commodore Plus/4 in storage. Hope to take it out and play with it some day when I retire. alas...

@robertleeluben 6 жыл бұрын

One of many ways CBM found to shoot itself in the foot in the 80s.

@TheReimecker 3 жыл бұрын

Nice Video

@big-g1980 8 жыл бұрын

I had the commodore 16 remember having saboteur for it and it looking like a totally different game when it was played on the+4

@MarkTheMorose 8 жыл бұрын

I think it was; there was a 64k version if I'm not mistaken.

@smalon75 7 жыл бұрын

The Plus/4 versions of Saboteur and Mercenary are considered better than the C64 one due to being slightly faster and having better colours. It's a shame they weren't shown in this video.

@Antireality 6 жыл бұрын

Still got my plus/4 (Complete with knackered keyboard, naturally :) They do have the same hardware scrolling that the commodore 64 has (up to 8 pixels then shift the characters manually). It's not a bad machine, it's just not a C64.

@werre2 5 жыл бұрын

"sack of shite" sums it up pretty well.

@sublime_ Ай бұрын

Those were pretty nifty for the time and price range. I think you have a faulty keyboard there my guy. I don’t remember the one we had being unresponsive like that. Treasure Island was my favourite game on that. It’s strange seeing one being used again. Fond memories

@austenlowe4095 8 жыл бұрын

Ahhh a trip to boots of all places to get a mastertronic title, those were the days!

@Rockythefishman 8 жыл бұрын

Well done for typing that program on the keyboard. Looks like the machine needs a little TLC. I did own a C16 for a while so I know your pain with all the weird port. I will have a P please Bob :)

@colonel_fox 6 жыл бұрын

my parents had plus/4, before switching to a windows 3.11

@DannyRaw 6 жыл бұрын

Yours is doing better than mine despite the keyboard issues. I've got 3 of these and 3 C16 and non do more than a black screen on power up.

@Turrican 7 жыл бұрын

I loved my plussy. My first computer. Great basic. A few games could rival C64 titles. ANCO made the best games.

@robotronix94 7 жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity, is it possible to download a tape program burn it to CD the use a CD to tape player adapter? I have all the stuff to try it on my Ti994A but the effort involved..... (Literally everything is in storage, and some things are in different boxes lol)

@outdooradventures8773 7 жыл бұрын

The little screenshot pictures inside the case would be the reason i bought the game or not !!!

@synaesthesia2010 7 жыл бұрын

what causes that occasional horizontal band going up the screen?

@brooknet 2 ай бұрын

Frequency variations in the timing of the camera's electronic shutter, vs. the beam of the CRT. If sync-locked, both would start the frame at the same time - but due to the timing being slightly different, the frame start will shift and the camera will start a frame when the CRT's beam is some way down the screen and the previous frame's contents are fading. This causes a bright line. Any electronics boffins, please flame me. Thanks.

@ernstarado7578 7 жыл бұрын

First computer I ever had. Bought it on offer with a bundle of games for £79.99. Upgraded it with a floppy drive (1551 I think) that was bigger, heavier and more expensive than the computer itself! then I added a printer to take advantage of the word processor and spread sheet. It was basically a C16. Favourite games I remember playing on it were Winter Games and Mercenary. Mercenary was a first person wire frame puzzle game which was quite good.

@CaptainRufus 8 жыл бұрын

They used to advertise this thing on US TV all the time. I wasn't sure if it was just a modified C64 as it was one of those order now type things and not actual Commodore advertising. Because by 86-87 Commodore didn't do much US advertising. I'm glad I didn't risk it.

@The_Wandering_Nerd 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, it looks like Commodore wanted to ape the form factor of the ZX Spectrum, but they completely left out the things that made the ZX Spectrum so popular, like the low price and compatibility with a wide range of software.

@semco72057 5 жыл бұрын

One problem with the Plus 4 was that the OS was diifferent than the C-64 and I gave away the one I had and kept the C-64's and their system which I still have. I didn't invest all the money in games for the Plus 4 computer, but just gave it away letting the person I gave it to the weaknesses with the computer.

@commodorehorizons 7 жыл бұрын

Nice overview, Plus 4 keyboards and notoriously flaky :-) Little tip, if you open the plussy and look at the keyboard ribbon and clean the contacts and straighten the cable itself you might get a better connection and more responsive keyboard :-) Also the TED chip and CPU run very hot, so you may need to get heatsinks on those chips :-)

@StRoRo 8 жыл бұрын

I had a friend who had one of these. The only game we would play was a pirate game. It was damn hard.

@smalon75 7 жыл бұрын

Treasure Island?

@StRoRo 7 жыл бұрын

It probably was, multi screen maze type game where pirates would throw swords at you.

@smalon75 7 жыл бұрын

That's the one.

@georgekaplan4696 5 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the Commodore c116 rubber keyed baby 👌

@repairitdontreplaceit 6 жыл бұрын

well done with that keyboard . my fist would have been through it within the first 60 seconds :)

@barryjmorse 7 жыл бұрын

What is that PCB motherboard mat you have under the Plus 4?! Love it.

@GreyHulk2156 7 жыл бұрын

www.amazon.co.uk/BBTradesales-Motherboard-Chopping-Board/dp/B00K7ZKH56/

@barryjmorse 7 жыл бұрын

Well done that man! I was looking for anything related to ZX81 mainboard but having no luck. Thanks..

@bierundkippen720 4 жыл бұрын

On C64 joystick in port 2 was standard.

@detectivesquirrel2621 3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Bob Holness was only the 2nd Bond. Yes it was on radio in South Africa. He was also NOT the saxophonist on Gerry Raffety's Baker Street although he was a session musician at the studio and did play on Baker Street but not for the recording.

@EberKlaushartinger 5 жыл бұрын

Even on the C64 Port2 was the most used Joystickport! And you don't need to turn it off, because it has a Reset-Button!

@jamesbennettmusic 8 жыл бұрын

Wonder if the change in connectors to shielded sockets (as opposed to edge connectors) was due to pressure from the FCC for radio interference reasons? As if Commodore wanted to rush it out ASAP and didn't want the FCC to fail it.

@mickles1975 8 жыл бұрын

Monty! I played the crap out of Wanted: Monty Mole back in the day.

@brostenen 7 жыл бұрын

I have an idea, that the word "compact" is the key to understand why they used them small connectors. Remember that the 80's was a time were standard is non standardisation. People wanted it, yet the ceo's were all death to that word. And todays standard are just one of many non standard standards of that era.

@be236 4 жыл бұрын

Once you get into Plus/4's 3+1 integrated app using F1 SYS command, how do you gracefully exit, short of hitting reset/power button? Its user manual doesn't tell you about this... If so, seems an oversight to not have a quit/exit command?

@sergeantcrow 7 жыл бұрын

Damn... Wish I had kept my one...

@betamax80 7 жыл бұрын

I once got a C64 mouse as part of a bundle a time ago - I think it was the 1351 - it worked with GEOS 2.0 - yes, on the C64, I think it was across 4 disks!

@RobertLock1978 6 жыл бұрын

Fingers Malone looked like it could be fun with a working 'stick :D

@JasperTedVidalTale 3 жыл бұрын

4:49 The Possible Reason Why Capcom's Rockman Was Name Changed Into Mega Man In Europe

@GregDaniel78 7 жыл бұрын

Disappointed with the lack of a wobbly Bob digitised pic. I remember laughing all the breath out of my body at the C64 version.

@channex8179 8 жыл бұрын

by the way when I say worn I simply mean the filament inside has stretched or separated from the opposite side of the connector causing a weak connection

@neilross4448 7 жыл бұрын

I love how you always manage to have a laugh during your videos, makes them more enjoyable. It's just a shame you've picked up a poorly Plus 4, there's some cracking games for that system. Still fire mines up regularly.

@jasont9294 7 жыл бұрын

What's your JVC monitor? Thanks.

@andygozzo72 7 жыл бұрын

think you need to strip down and clean that keyboard 😉

@vanessaosborne3175 3 жыл бұрын

I miss my c16plus 4

@SMlFFY85 6 жыл бұрын

I remember trying to make the bouncing ball on the C64 as a child, I failed and never tried again. :(

@channex8179 8 жыл бұрын

The buzzy power supply is caused by a worn fuse which is the the little glass fuse on the front of the power brick behind the little twist out holder it oscillates when worn and causes small fluctuations in the transformer and hence the buzzing! replace that and it will go away!!

@noeuro 6 жыл бұрын

You spelt yoghurt correctly, it was probably going on the American spelling which drops the h.

@oldhedders 8 жыл бұрын

That built in software makes emacs look friendly.

@tubeincompetence 8 жыл бұрын

Emacs is friendly but I prefer VIM myself. :-)

@oldhedders 8 жыл бұрын

Emacs is many things. Powerful. Flexible. Efficient. But friendly it is not!

@tubeincompetence 7 жыл бұрын

If you're an octupus, it's kind of friendly! ;)

@nicklebricks1049 7 жыл бұрын

Cool vid, but there is a bug in that program you entered. C and R obviously are variable names for "Column" and "Row" to draw the zero at, with DC and DR being variable names for "Direction-in-Columns" and "Direction-in-Rows". If you change the line "LET R=R+CR" to "LET R=R+DR" then the ball will bounce in diagonal lines off the top and bottom as well as the sides, like the ball in pong does. (I think whoever wrote the pen and paper version you copied from made a slight error) ;)

@arfanmedni7294 3 жыл бұрын

Is that your bedroom? What a mess!

@neilgiddings6569 5 жыл бұрын

Can anyone answer a question I have a plus4 and a number of carts which I put into the slot and power on and all I get is the usual prompt do you have to type anything to load a game cartridge or should it just work on power on?

@Kekule1025 5 жыл бұрын

It's expected to immediately work with a correct insertion of a cartridge.

@neilgiddings6569 5 жыл бұрын

@@Kekule1025 thanks mine didn't load at all just shows basic prompt so must be faulty. Tried two carts so looks like I need to debug it and see what's up.

@DanielLopez-up6os 8 жыл бұрын

what is that lovely mat under the commodore?

@Nostalgianerd 8 жыл бұрын

It's actually a chopping board (with the ZX81 board printed on top)... amzn.to/2c6kHan

@mrroobarb 8 жыл бұрын

Looks like a ZX81 circuit board printed on it.

@DanielLopez-up6os 7 жыл бұрын

Nostalgia Nerd thanka man apreciate the vids

@MarkTheMorose 8 жыл бұрын

Kleptomania, anti, ventriloquist. Somebody had to. The reason the tapes loaded so quickly is that they were all 16k max games, written for the C16. Had they been 64k games, loading times would've been 4x longer.

@aphexteknol 8 жыл бұрын

Finding a working +4/C16 is getting extremely difficult. The CPU and TED chips namely had a manufacturing flaw and finding replacements is difficult and very pricey when you do... Its a shame because the system is actually a fairly competent 8 bit platform for the most part but really a C64 does everything the TED series machines did and then some so it was a solution looking for a problem...

@idkzero 7 жыл бұрын

just picked one up at the will. doesn't power on, I'll have to inspect further.

@roffpoff8221 7 жыл бұрын

watching prices second hand C64, 300-400$ ish in my locale marked , I miss the ability to press play on tape, diskettes , etc

@stephenbruce8320 4 жыл бұрын

Its a cool looking unit. Better to put it in a display case and not use it that way there is always the possibility that if you ever turn it on it might still work. Actually I own 2 of them one I need to fix the other is fully functional. I never bother with those old Commodore PSU's. If you ever take yours apart take great care when handling the keyboard best to leave the ribbon connected if possible because they contacts do separate from the actual ribbon. I am not sure if you can get a new membrane or not because I never looked for one. I only picked them up to add to my collection and yea I played with both for a bit but they are best put in a case to be looked at then to play with. The chips in those puppies are fragile. A dead Plus 4 is still nice to look at but a dead Sinclair ZX81 still makes for a fine door stop but both look great in a display cabinet..

@chrishopkins209 5 жыл бұрын

It was an attempt by Jack Tramiel to undercut the launch of the Timex Spectrum in the States. My first computer was a Plus 4 - a much underrated machine

@JohnSmith-ii3cu Жыл бұрын

So Rockman is basically a blood diamond simulator?

@stevejennings3960 8 жыл бұрын

Geeky i know - but i always preferred the novaload colours on loading a commmodore 16 game over the commodore 64

@TheLoveMario 7 жыл бұрын

That's because the c64 could only display 16 colors and so rasterline loaders only had 16 colors to burn your eyes with. Meanwhile, the PLUS/4 and C16 had a different video chip, it had the same 16 colors except that you can apply luminance levels to them to get a grand total of 121 colors (which is just 7 less than the atari 2600 on NTSC screens) This is why PLUS/4 and C16 rasterline loaders burned your eyes so much more nicely and trippily than C64/128

@airingcupboard 6 жыл бұрын

Hilarious. More comedic broken keyboards please.

@rhodesy761uk 8 жыл бұрын

i had one for about a week hated it back in the day got cpc 464 color instead

@AtariBorn 8 жыл бұрын

"Sounds a bit like...you might die" LOL

@NemanjaVuj 7 жыл бұрын

At ca. 6:40 you say that it had "higher resolution" and "more colors" than C64... It did not. Highest resolution was 320x200 with color clash, text mode was 40x25, 16 on-screen colors, same as C64. As to the "121 colors" claim... it had 16 colors with 8 luminance levels, basically the same thing you get by adjusting your color nob on any TV. You couldn't freely choose colors from total "palette" like you could on Amiga or Atari ST (or on Amstrad CPC for that matter). You couldn't draw a screen with 15 shades of blue or anything like that...

@DAVIDGREGORYKERR 8 жыл бұрын

The keyboard needs looking at which is why it might be acting up.

@dominikschutz6300 8 жыл бұрын

Rockman... Hilarious XD

@DungeonTV100 Жыл бұрын

It was before the c64!

@mymomsaysimcool9650 7 жыл бұрын

16:30. Ectoplasm flying in front of screen. Or just cat hair.

@jamieh9351 6 жыл бұрын

The Plus/4 was (another) marketing disaster by Commodore. On the games front, it was actually far more capable than anyone realised, even though it was hobbled by the TED chip. Take a look at this more recent release: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a7pmrdylr6yadok.html This is from a machine with no sprites and very limited sound. Just shows what can be done when someone cares enough to start pushing the hardware...

@jamieh9351 6 жыл бұрын

Or this, from 2018: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9KPpKuk0Me2lps.html

@KennethSorling 5 жыл бұрын

How crap was that keyboard? Seemed like you had to fight it to get a letter out.

@IDPhotoMan 4 жыл бұрын

The plus/4 keyboards work great. He just was too lazy to take it apart and clean the contacts, like you have to do with 95% of all keyboards from that era to make them work properly.

@dennisneo1608 7 жыл бұрын

I had a Plus 4 back in the 80s, and loved it. It had built in Basic, unlike the C64. So you could create simple programs. Great memories of a better time.

@tremorist 7 жыл бұрын

The C64 also has inbuilt basic. The different command sets make them incompatible.

@snowdog993 6 жыл бұрын

Wrong on every level.

@drg5352 6 жыл бұрын

All Commodore 8 bit computers had a form of Microsoft BASIC included on a ROM chip. In fact, the C64 came with a manual for programming it in BASIC (I still have both my copy and one belonging to my grandfather).

@valley_robot 7 жыл бұрын

Exorcist, treasure island, Zzap, and icicle works were bundled with the c16 , if I remember right, also punchy was a bundled game . Treasure island was the shit , fire ant was great, loved formula 1 and ace , great games, yeah all my other mates had spectrums but I had this shitty none supported machine and I loved it, I had a book with 30 games to type in and my sister bought me a box of c15 cassettes to save my programs , I loved it to bits, so glad my dad got it me for Christmas all those years ago, he got me a +4 the following year, by 1991 I had c64 , amiga followed.