@@embermk6264 According to the Gatherer page for Torpor Orb it should stop a card's own EtB Trigger. From the first rules note for Torpor Orb: "Torpor Orb stops a creature’s own enters-the-battlefield triggered abilities as well as other triggered abilities that would trigger when a creature enters the battlefield."

Great video, I think Dramatic Scepter combo should be here as well. Especially since these can work with a whole plethora of commanders (more than food chain), is fairly commonly used as a back-up, since its own pieces are good in general and it's a budget option, so new players should be aware of this.

Cant wait for gitrog, thats a video all to it's self

@@lolimmune AllLllll

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Hermit Druid

Unless u go for foodchain

I have certainly used it as a tutor cuz sometimes thats a thing you gotta do.

Makes ya laugh how they've exploited 'crap' cards from the 90's 🤣

So beautiful

Agreed

Illness in the Ranks (Creature tokens get -1/-1) was used in Modern to fight Twin because it nullified both Deceiver Exarch and Pestermite tokens.

WhiteWizard42 That is also an effective way to stop the combat damage.

If your playgroup is the kind that will force you to play out your combos, Gitrog probably isn't the best deck to pilot. However if they're okay with shortcutting loops after they've been demonstrated (and short-cutting loops is well within the rules of MTG), here's the basics. Gamestate Required: Gitrog and a free discard outlet in play. Dakmor Salvage in hand (OR) Dakmor Salvage in the graveyard and a land in hand. The basis of the combo is as follows: Step 1: Discard Dakmor Salvage/the land. // Gitrog's card draw trigger goes on the stack. Step 2: Dredge Dakmor Salvage instead of drawing. // If you dredge over 1 or more lands, another Gitrog draw trigger goes on the stack. Step 3: Repeat. Eventually you'll dredge over your Kozilek which will shuffle your graveyard back into your library allowing you to go on forever. What you'll end up with is "infinite" card draw triggers from dredging lands into your graveyard. While the number of triggers per reshuffle will vary depending on where Kozilek ends up in the library, this is a loop that you should be able to shortcut by saying "I want to repeat this until I have [an arbitrarily large number of] draw triggers on the stack." Once you've built up an arbitrarily large number of these triggers, continue with the following loop: Step 1: Resolve card draw triggers until you find Lotus Petal and/or Dark Ritual. Step 2: Cast Lotus Petal and/or Dark Ritual (and sac the Petal for mana) Step 3.a: If you have Kozilek in hand, discard it to reshuffle the Petal/Ritual back into your library. Step 3.b: If you didn't draw Kozilek, repeat the first section of the combo until you do which will shuffle the Petal/Ritual back into your library. Step 4: Repeat. This gives you infinite mana. You can shortcut this by saying "I want to repeat this until I've generated [arbitrarily large number of] [color(s)] mana." Then once you have infinite mana, you resolve enough card draw triggers to find whatever you want to end the game assuming you haven't already drawn it.

I thought krosan grip was widely used, is it not?

@@goldilock4199 Not in cEDH. Three mana for interaction is a hefty price, it's rarely run.

Jake FitzSimons it’s 3 mana because it’s near impossible to interact with

Plus, they can still do Food Chain activations in response, since it's a mana ability and gets around Split Second. Removing it just means they have to pick it back up with something like Noxious Revival.

@@nharviala jea true. But if you wanna go off you cant since casting a creature doesnt get around it. It at least interrupts them. And you can interact with something like revival

Its what happens when unbalanced cards get printed

Ooo good one

Would that really work though? Say they choose to name a card that's not in their deck (Mountain in UB for example): * their library gets milled * you bounce Thassa's Oracle * the ETB would resolve for X = 0, which is still greater than or **equal** to the number of cards in the library (0) * they win the game still I could be wrong about it, but that's what computer logic tells me

@@AbyssArray Pardon, you are correct. A recent ruling confirmed this.

Bolt is useful (cEDH usually prefers swords to plowshares to be less conditional on toughness), but some things don't get stopped. Thassa's Oracle is a triggered ability so the creature being dead doesn't stop it since the wording is "less than or equal to your devotion to blue" this means that empty library and empty board is still a win. Many of the combos can go overtop your interaction by continuing in response to removal and letting your spell fizzle if it isn't in the same specific windows. The other issue is most of the decks using these combos do just play blue so they will try to answer your responses. Flash usually happens overtop of someone's Necromancy or Ad Nauseum or other Flash, or in response to the triggers from someone else's win attempt once everyone tapped out trying to stop it.

@@TheShmyt StP is hands down a better 1cmc removal, I'm just trying to figure out what fills that slot in Gruul. Pyroblast? I feel like I'm just in the corner of a room filled with people yelling "In response I...!" as I clutch my timmy cards and mumble "Nonblue decks are fun too"

@@jameslabbe4119 pyro and reb are pretty decent, there's also guttural response, but the best Gruul one I've seen for fighting on the stack is Vexing Shusher. It costs you no cards while blue has to keep throwing them out, only costs you one mana per counter spell you make useless and you can respond to any spell with it to back up someone else stopping a win.

Also Gary, drain everybody and gain life too

You can do it turn 2 if your first land is the desert land that pings for 1 damage

Sunscorched desert, valakut molten pinnacle, shivan gorge are good ones that takes land slots and can be included in any deck that contains red.

The problem with trickbind and stifle if you aren’t using them against the hulk trigger you’ll get blown out if they know you are on that tech and pile around it

I would argue blue since it has effects that let you exile things from your deck to tutor up your CFE creature and grants more access to conbo protection with counterspells

That is a great combo, I love it

This is sick and Twisted......... I love it

people never expect to lose this way in CEDH ahhaha

Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal is still a strong infinite mana combo, however, it is not a win con in and of itself, this is purely about combos that are specifically game ending, as in, as soon as this combo resolves, the game is almost always over instantly.

cEDH decks are usually 3-5 colours to run all the best spells for your win condition if additional win conditions isn't better than a win condition/combo piece in the command zone (urza, yisan, godo, heliod). Thrasios+Tymna is one of the better options for commanders allowing flash hulk, consultation, dramatic scepter, razaketh, timetwister loops, angel's grace wheels, and hermit druid as possible win cons to include. White can be one of your colours, but you have to give up something. White is alright as a colour as cEDH will only need 10 or so white cards depending on the deck (smothering tithe, silence, angel's grace, swords to plowshares, aven mindcensor, Linvala, rest in peace, torpor effects, etc). Running more than this is where it gets rough. The issue is that white cannot sustain their own answers by itself and needs the interaction of other colours to protect the answers from counterspells/removal, or the tutors/acceleration of other colours to be able to play these few powerful cards. These answers need to be draw before the other decks win and in some cases those decks can win turn0/1 with an insane hand but turn 2-4 is usually the average goal. This makes mono white not great (there are exceptions but mostly as a meta shakeup/rogue deck).

That's some interesting tech, especially since you can choose not to sac it and still run the sushi hulk package, while other decks have to remove their own answer if they want to use that win con.

Matias Naselli That only works if they use tainted pact