Also, just imagine how big of an existential crisis that might cause for the hatchling, realizing they've done this 9 million times before, DIED 9 million times before, and are only just now have the ability to remember their past lives.

@@jacksonbarkerthebluehairedfox Don't see what that changes, you'll only remember your past lives from the moment the statue synced with you, not the millions before.

​@Baha2490 well the pure fact that u still lived and died 9 million times. The realization itself is very existential

@@yoyodude-aoe2726 If I don't remember it, it's not me =P My thoughts would be focused on the fear of being stuck in the loop for eternity (and potentially dying in pain, though you can surely find a way to avoid that after a few loops).

@@Baha2490 yes remaining blisfully ignorant will lead to a happier life. how chert starts having crisis as he realises everything is ending at the end of the loop.

IIRC it actually used to be a thing, as in earlier versions of the game would start with the 22 minute countdown as soon as you wake up, meaning that you could die before linking to the statue by taking too long. I presume it was removed for gameplay reasons

Imo they should have had a separate tutorial day that ends with the player going to sleep.

@@mollistuff that would still cause a problem if the player didn’t walk past the statue for 22 minutes after waking up! You just have to put this down to it being a game.

same but @ having your shiplog deleted if you die during the Final Loop

@@Uppernorwood976 That would be far less likely to happen though. I probably took 40 minutes to complete the tutorial, but would have walked past the statue by 3 minutes on day 2.

You can actually test this method by flying out super far away from the sun, far enough away that the explosion doesn't kill you. Then you see a different reset screen, one where the statue manually resets the loop, even though you haven't died. I believe you can also trigger that ending from just waiting inside the ash twin.

@@alexlowe2054 Correct. Though if you remove the Warp Core, the ATP's shell will eventually break and be consumed by the supernova.

Oh I see, I clearly agree, maybe the game could have made it a bit more clear for us, lore with time loops gets too easly compliated and missunderstood, but in THIS game it is so well made that it's nearly making 100% sense, the games tells us well it's story, but giving those time loop details would have been even better, but I guess how hard it can be to introduce it well without losing the player

@@MazHazPazzaz supposedly the devs wanted that to actually delete your save file and had to be stopped by the publisher

@@adora_was_taken I'd believe it, but I'm glad they didn't go with that. It'd have been real disheartening to be at like 98% for all the entries, try the ending, dying, and starting back at 0%. I definitely wouldn't have 100% the game if that was the case.

3 years after release and we're still finding new details

There's also a gravity crystal like the ones on brittle hollow to make artificial gravity in the ship, and the scout's recalling is activated through mini black & white holes.

And the ship's gravity beam is a scavenged nomai beam placed on the roof of the ship, on top of the hatch

It feels kinda dumb for only a piece of the statue to work like that and convenient that it happens to do the exact thing you'd need it to, but it's for a mechanic that makes your life infinitely easier so I really don't care. It's nice that they even gave us an explanation for that.

​@@Cyynapse The same is true for Death Stranding. Where OW's story pieces come together as you play the game, in DS it all remains a confusing mess (the scanner being called "Odradek" should be a clue as to why) until the very end. And you experience one hell of an ending that is highly rewarding that explains everything. Or does it? From the get-go there are two mysteries going on, and the premise is to figure out the solution to them. The last 5 hours or so is spent on an explanation phase and massive reveals at the very end. However, post real credits, there is a tiny reveal associated with the biggest secret the game conceals. You can even platinum the game without obtaining the full set of a certain chain of interviews. If you read through all of those, a different narrative starts to form, but now you're forced to play through the game - possibly several times (or watch others) - to start figuring out how all the subtle (and until now, unnoticed) clues support the new theory. As cheesy as some of the lines can go, that is some masterful writing. Having seen 40+ full let's plays of DS (more so for OW, but its far shorter), it's not like I'm going to hold it against anyone for not spotting these or make sense of whatever partial interviews they obtained. So a 100+ hour game being close to platinum with a highly rewarding, and you still don't even know half of it. I mean, who the hell does this? 😁

Imo, they should have just built hundreds of orbital probe cannons after the ash twin project failed, instead of moping about it (i know they died a short time after the sun station failed but thats just hindsight)

@@yoni5919 that'd be an absolute metric booty tonne of resources and time to build. The canon itself it's a sophisticated piece of machinery that uses artificial gravity to launch probes, which themselves have to be made of materials and technologies strong enough to to withstand a launch at speeds fast enough to be useful, not to mention that they would potentially need to build over 9 million of them. The logistics of such a project would be of such an enormous scale, that I wouldn't be surprised if the entire solar system wasn't mined out, not to mention the time it would take to mine all the materials, build the hundreds of launchers, build 9 million probes, and perform 9 million launches.

​@@Giraffinator Well they wouldn't need to build millions of them, each one could launch a probe and then warp it back after 22 minutes. From their perspective they have decades to develop more efficient (in terms of power, size and construction time) cannons, and actually finding the eye would take (based off of your calculations and assuming 100 cannons each firing a probe every 22 minutes) only 4 years. so assuming it would take them 30 years to develop and build the cannons, and then launch them, most of them (assuming nomai live about as long as humans, if not longer) would see the process from start to finish.

@@yoni5919 I mean it'd still be incredibly wasteful. The Nomai were fairly cautious about not overmining the solar system and making sure that they didn't just up and destroy everything like the Owlks did. Even if we assumed building 100 gigantic super powerful cannons was possible, they still would have had to build nearly 10 million probes that would have almost all gone to waste just flying into deep space. Imo the Nomai would have probably come up with a much better plan than that, probably involving some kind of giant telescopes like the James Web and just looking for it that way. Or just simply coming up with a better design for the sun station. Either way the grander point is that the Nomai died shortly after so we don't know what their next plan would have been.

@@BlazeMakesGames they wouldnt need to build 9 million probes - they could just recall the launched probe back to the cannon after 22 minutes

They simply just didnt understand what they were doing imo. I dont think any nomai we know would do such a thing. They literally dug up and replanted plants they may hurt. All in the process of trying to kill millions of things. They mustve thought they were rewriting time.

Well. This is just saying the nomai probably assumed their was only one timeline. And they were actually rewriting all of their horrible actions within it. Making them so they never happened to begin with. I dont see the Nomai going through with killing countless species if they had any other belief.

You can look at it however you want bud. That’s a valid interpretation of the game. Personally I don’t think the atp magically has the power to erase millions of universes out of existence. But Ive already put my thought processes in videos for everyone interested. So I won’t share them here.

It’s not the same timeline just a few seconds back. It’s a different timeline entirely. And you swap probes. Our black hole leads to their white hole. Vise verse. In the case of the hel ending you don’t swap probes. We steal theirs and space time gets mad. Edit was worded wrong. It doesn’t technically enter without an exit. But something enters their black hole and doesn’t come back out their white hole. Which is what people expect. It’s so hard to phrase this all on the fly from different perspectives.

@@TheLoreExplorer this is not how time travel works in Outer Wilds. Spacetime breaks because you've created a paradox. Specifically, a variation on the "grandfather paradox." If you go back in time and kill your grandpa, then you would have never been born, and then there would be no way that you could have gone back in time to kill your grandpa. This creates a paradox that breaks reality. If you were right about different timelines existing in the game, then this wouldn't be a paradox, as you would just be killing an unrelated grandpa in a different timeline, and there would be no conflict to cause a break in reality. Now back to removing the black hole before the scout can enter it: If different timelines existed, then spacetime would not be broken, because as you said 'we'd just be stealing a scout from another timeline,' and there is no reason for spacetime to "get mad" about this, as evidenced by Self existing. If your logic was true, then *creating* Self would break spacetime (it would be stealing from another timeline), but it doesn't. It's only when a PARADOX occurs by *NOT* traveling back in time to create Self, that the fabric of spacetime is broken. This is directly addressed in the dialogue with Self. Self: "Hey, what do you think happens if you don't jump into the black hole again at the end of this loop?" Player: "If I don't, then where do you come from?" Self: "That's a good point." (If you don't, then spacetime breaks because it creates a paradox) Player: "Think it's okay there's two of us?" Self: "Well, we're talking to each other and nothing's exploded yet." (Hence, material from the previous loop can exist at the same time as the current loop, as long as a paradox is not created.)

Well, it's less going to break spacetime, and more simply acting on automated orders. The ATP sends a fire order back in time with a firing angle they haven't done yet then, at the start of the loop, the OPC takes tha order in, moves to fire at that angle, then fires. But, yes, before the time loop begun, the OPC never shot off.

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@@Mabra51 lmao

It wouldn't have broken spacetime, since the order gets sent back each time just progressed. It'd break space-time tho if for whatever reason something failed that caused the ATP to not send back the order. Since the next loop is the same as the first, it would become a paradox where no next version of the timeline is possible. Each timeline that gets reset that hatchling is in is a memory for them that they experienced, something like "sending back memories of an observer is equivilant to sending back an observer". The statutes are designed to simply be a storage vault (that the hearthians even used) that are maintained between timelines, making them hard to accidentally break space-time, since they're working with something fixed, so even the hearthian spaceship DIYers can improve their ships without even risking breaking spacetime.

@@ThatJay283 I want to clarify something. First of all this is just my theory so take it with a grain of salt. It is somehow different to send back whether information or mass. Take ATP self duplicate incident for example, the timeline should start by player receiving memory while self appearing, and end with self died while the player's memory AND body got sent back. Therefore if player never jumped in the black hole self wouldn't appear, causing a paradox. Interestingly, in every other "normal" time loop, the memory player received at the start is widely different from the memory sent at the end of the loop and that's considered fine. Now in the OPC case, in the first loop the OPC didn't fire because it didn't receive the fire command, and at the end ATP sent the fire command, that's all fine and dandy. In every other loop exclude the last one the OPC received a different command from what it'll send at the end of the loop, and that's all good too. So following that logic, if originally the Sun Station succeeded when the Nomai is alive, the last loop will begin at the OPC receiving fire command but at the end the Sun Station doesn't fire and ATP is never active. That would be fine I guess? Afterwards the time loops stop, the Sun doesn't explode, and time goes on. (Assuming SS is a success of course)

Youre right in the sense theyd live through one loop and stop it with a loaded cannon. That was the plan. But the cannon wouldnt fire before they blew up the sun? Theyd blow up the sun. Itd send info back 22 minutes. Then the cannon would fire. Your reasoning seems flawed to me. Cause then wouldnt the nomai know there was no reason to test the sun station? The opc didnt fire 22 minutes ago so we failed. It was always meant to fire the loop after. Not prior to the sun exploding.

@@TheLoreExplorer This is where we get into the usual time travel paradox "solutions". If time is a closed loop, then since a successful test sends the information back in time, you'll know if it worked because it will have already worked as many times as it's going to work, even your "first time through". If it's an "infinite universes" thing, then each time travel event creates a new timeline, and you could be living through any one of them your "first time through", so the cannon would not have fired before they trigger the supernova the first time. I like to believe the closed loop theory applies in Outer Wilds because it's possible to break the fabric of spacetime by creating conditions that don't loop.

See. I thin my that’s where everyone is flawed. They are trying to compare it to established time travel scenarios. In this scenario I think the multiverses aren’t created by the atp. They are all there naturally. And sending info between them wouldn’t cause a paradox. The cause of everything happens right before it occurs and can’t change.

@@TheLoreExplorer Yeah the original commenter has good logic but isn't quite right. Assuming the project succeeds, the first loop is when the OPC doesn't fire, as it hasn't received any information yet, and they go and set off the sun station. If this had worked, they wouldnt remember this loop - in fact, the only loop they'd actually remember is one where they get the coordinates, and don't set off the sun station as a result. It's only because the sun station doesn't work, that the fact they tried to set it off with no OPC firing actually becomes 'canon' with the timeline, if that makes sense. In Outer Wilds logic, there isn't really any true time travel, and causality is still linear, it just... well... loops a lot.

Its just frustrating to me that people believe the in game explanations. They are either from nomai who admit they dont really know whats happening. Or from like gabbro who says "Yeah. That makes sense. Its hard to say what exactly is happening with time. But lets call it a loop for now". Then everyone just goes "OHHH. It looks like it. Must be a timeloop". I know it shouldnt frustrate me. But I probably have over 50 hours just replying to comments that are trying to straighten out two contradictory things in the game. So its definitely no ones fault. The game is telling them that its a timeloop. And if its a true timeloop then op is kind of right. And the game tells us it is multiple times. But imo we are SHOWN it isnt. And such thingd are kind of a hindrance to explaining the real mechanics of the game to people. Its always an uphill battle because I have to fight these preconceived notions which makes it hard. Almost impossible. Cause usually most of the time even after hours of trying to explain things people they usually disagree with me because of one weird thing. I got someone all the way through my theory once. And they were catching onto it. But then busted out "Well, then why does self cause spacetime to crash and not our memories". Well cause one changes spacetime and causes things that shouldnt happen in them and the memories dont cause anything to happen that shouldn't. And they didnt buy that one thing and it was back to nope. Dont buy it. Its like wait....thats not even a problem with my theory. Thats inherent to the game. It just makes my work feel pointless sometimes. Idk.

He's not an excellent speaker or writer, but I appreciate his work & videos none the less.

@@bbbbbbb51 his imperfections make him that much more lovable in my opinion, like he may sometimes struggle with narrating etc but he loves the game enough to overcome his difficulties to share these great videos

And his slight accent is the cherry on top.

I love hearing him stutter and mess up words because I do that all of the time and he obviously does so much work for his videos so why should he go through and re-do every time he messes up a word or stutters? It’s not like we can’t understand him and he adds captions when he messes up and he wants us to know what he meant

Youd think so. But apparently the first issue the hearthians ran into they called upon gabbro to deal with it.

It would really suck for him if he happened to be somewhere else 22 minutes before the supernova and had to get back to his island at the start of every loop, but it seems he did start there and only left for Statue Island afterwards. That calls the timeline of his ship into question. You wouldn't expect it to be so far in the water if he used it to get to another island so recently, and assuming he doesn't leave his island again every loop afterwards you'd think it would still be near him or that he'd at least have an idea where it is. Jetpacking isn't gonna work either due to Giant's Deep's stronger gravity, so the most likely scenario seems to be that he just swam there. Gabbro is such a chad he just swims in tornado water chasing moving islands like it's nothing.

@@speedude0164 Decided to read through Gabbro's dialogue on the wiki to see if there was any mention of where they are when the loop starts / how they got to statue island; Gabbro does sometimes say “You know, I kind of wish I'd built a hammock here before we ended up in this time loop" when talking to them after the third loop (if you've spoken before), so they *might* not be on the island at the start of the loop, but they definitely aren't in a hammock. As for the statue pairing, sadly all we know is that Gabbro was standing when it happened, and that they're able to get the hammock set up by the time you get there on the first loop.

@@speedude0164 maybe the statue’s could bind people to the ash twin project, even before the actual project starts?

@@BobbinRobbin777 gabbro would be the closest sentient being. the nomai writing does say " Yarrow, would you kindly step back so Daz is closest to the statue? When pairing, the statue will choose whoever is in closest proximity. "

Glad to hear it!

That's one of the many beauties of this game. Even after beating it you can still realize things that explain parts of the story you didn't understand and add to it. The more I think of all the technicalities behind the Ash Twin Project, the more impressed I am with it.

It is important. Actually, definitionally, central. As the video shows and states. The place we find the eyes coordinates could have easily broke like the couple rooms still on the orbital probe cannon. It wasnt "placed" at the core of giants deep. It fell when the cannon fired and could have easily broken if the stress wasnt put exactly in the neck of the module. If that happened the atp failed the instant it started. Central. And lore wise. The eye is found as we talk to hornfells. The eye was found relatively early in the "loop". There was no need to make it fire at such high speed.

@@TheLoreExplorer that's hindsight that they didn't need to fire it fast to find it... the eye may have been further out in which case theoretically a slower speed may also have doomed the project if it took longer than 22 min to reach

Not really. I think they did calculations to see how far something can orbit the sun and how fast the probe needed to travel to reach it.

Yep in their written argument the Nomai who wanted to put it to max power points out that the cannon technically only has to fire once from their subjective POV anyway because of the time loop.

@@TheLoreExplorer hey, i know this came out a while ago but i hope you can respond! though i already understood 99% of this, what makes you think we were talking to hornfels as the eye is found? is that conjecture on your part or is there dialogue i missed? also, I learned through this video about the log being made using statue materials, which is so cool!

Youd be surprised. The way things orbit and all of that. Something sitting so far out and theoretically orbiting would never always be behind a certain object for that long. And we use things like gravity assists all the time. That fling probes around the planet and send them going off which ever way we want. plus, go the the orbital cannon on ember twin right now and fire directly at the sun. You wont hit it. Its all confusing. I dont think in this case its suspending disbelief. But rather having faith the nomai computer couldve done those calculations.

In the game, if you raced to your space ship, and chased that loop's probe, you can catch up to it. Usually it's hard, because you aren't sure exactly which direction it went, but when it's a more visible one, it's easier. Having caught up to the probe, you can stick with it for 22 minutes. You can try that infinity times, and the probe will never lead you to the Eye. This is for technical reasons with the implementation of the game. You can do the same thing with your ship - thrusting in any direction for 22 minutes, and you will never find the Eye. This has resulted in a dubious hypothesis: in order to find the Eye, the probe had to be aimed at the Quantum Moon, pass through the cloud layer in the upper atmosphere (on a very shallow angle), *and* have the Quantum Moon transition to the Eye at just the right time to bring the probe along with it, before the probe pass out of the Quantum Moon's atmosphere again. But in truth, neither you, nor your scout can do this, for those same technical reasons.

@@robertboily9030 I think it makes sense that the probe never leads you to the Eye. The chances of it hitting it twice would be infinitesimal. Technically you should reach the Eye if you managed to follow the probe *in your first loop*, which would probably require some type of sequence breaking. But the fact that the game deliberately freezes celestial time during that loop specifically really breaks whatever you could deduce from the world based on that loop especially.

@@DavidTMarchand The player's first loop is the loop after the eye has been found.

@@blindbeholder9713 That would make things much clearer! But it doesn't sound right to me. It that were the case, the statues would activate at the beginning of the loop, right? Because they've already been told the Eye has been found. And the one on Timber Hearth would sync up with Hal or Hornfelds several minutes before you reach the Observatory.

Glad you think so!

It also helps to compare the memories in the Ash Twin Project to the scout in the High Energy Lab as it's essentially the same thing happening. When you shoot the scout at the energized black hole, there's no other scout coming from the white hole from its perspective. But once the scout goes through, the last second-ish is deleted and it comes out before it entered.

Of course! Welcome to the crew bud!!

Maybe they coded the signal blocker to eventually shut off to allow the stranger to receive the eye's residual energy

i have no idea how strong the hull of the stranger would be, but i doubt it's anywhere near as powerful as the lining of the ash twin project. and even if it was, i think the developers said that all races use solar energy, so it would mostly run out very shortly after the supernova happens (based on their power reserve systems)

Where have the devs stated this? May have been before the dlc. We know both hearthians and nomai use solar. But the stranger lives on long after all suns die.

i think the quote was from before the dlc. but that is... so deeply depressing. i hoped that the prisoner wouldn't be a prisoner forever.

@@TheLoreExplorer i dont think they stated this I made it miself in a discussion on the ow server

Hey Davide. These are nice observations. But you dont need to worry. The prisoner was aware the whole time. But their reality shifted. Time lost all meaning and they found meaning in their own way. At the same time. We do get trapped in a worse fate than the atp. You know the Solanums fate ending? Well , the qm is just reflecting the eye. We get trapped in a timeless quantum existence too. Forever. But again. Forever loses meaning. Solanum shows us this. She cant tell if its been minutes or years. And this is considered enlightenment in a way by the game. The ancient glade is our new reality (like the prisoners prison). But thats ok because the ancient glade actually is a beautiful place where anything can happen. Even if it is outside of time and usually dark.

Yeah. I feel like that goes by a lot of people. Too many imo. Well reasoned. I have some input though. Technically we don’t know how the atp works. It could be rewriting time. It could be generating new timelines each loop. Or the timelines could all be there naturally. As in it was always an infinite multiverse. These would all be very different. Rewriting would mean it is sort of a do over. No 9 million dead us’s. The one where the atp generates timelines would be crazy. Cause then every black hole ever should do the same. Each time a piece breaks off brittle hollow it should create a new universe. And the last would mean that all those deaths were real. All 9 million. But they’d have happened anyway. Regardless of the atp. I personally believe the last. But I view the atp making them as a sort of good understanding of the game. Cause time is relative anyway. They may as well all be created as we wake up to us. So again. Well done bud. If you’re interested on deeper theories and idea about a it my channel is full of them.

@@TheLoreExplorer i think its the first because if it wasnt the spacetime wouldnt break when you clone yourself in the atp, there wouldnt be a problem if anothr you from other universe comeß to your universe because you dont break causality, but if you do it in the same universe you do break causality

The "time travel" the Nomai use, is what you see at the High Energy lab when you send the probes through the black hole, but on steroids, in that the negative time interval was increased to 22 minutes. There has to be one timeline, otherwise it wouldn't make sense for objects sent through black holes to appear from white holes before they pass through the black hole. The fact that you break reality when you remove one of the cores before the probe enters the black hole but after it exits the white hole is proof of a singular timeline. If there were multiple timelines, reality wouldn't break.

It's not actually a classical time loop where time repeats itself. Information is being sent back in time. In other words, the Ash Twin Project is altering history. From the perspective of the universe, it all only happens once.

@@CanIHasThisName It’s basically taking information and sending it to a different universe, or creating a different universe. (Though I do find the secret ending, the one with your other self, confusing. As when he travels back in time from the blackhole, it causes a paradox that presumedly ends the entire universe. But at the end of the game, you take out the wormhole that allows information to travel loop to loop, there by breaking the cycle, since the information can travel back in time. If this is the case, shouldn’t unplugging the wormhole and stopping the flow of information cause a paradox? Who knows, I’m probably overthinking a joke ending that isn’t canon to the story.)

They would already know that they’re the first because the probe wouldn’t have fired yet

nah. They only ever made one tracking module. you can watch a small projection pool liquid show it break and fall during probe launch. The piece that was launched to the bottom via cyclones was a bridge type piece which can be found near the tracking module.

isnt it solanum from the quantum moon?

@@bobert3230 I don't think so...he's stuck in a quantum state of alive and dead.

it's the probe tracking station, you can see the list of active statues on one of those floating ring displays in the ash twin project

If you go to the core of Giant's Deep, in the probe tracking module of the OPC, you will find a statue with open eyes. The statue there is the one that is recording the amount of probes launched and their coordinates.

@@bobert3230 no solanum never gets her memories from past loops. the last mask in the ATP is connected to the probe tracking module which was lost at the bottom of giant's deep

Did I mention paradox's? I agree in the game there is no paradoxs. I think space time breaks because spacetime changes drastically if a duplicate object is left in it. And its not certain they could change the timings. Thats one of the reasons the devs added the space time ending. So the nomai couldnt just forever duplicate batteries for endless energy. So I doubt the mechanics would be such that you could keep sending things back. Something like "It has to go through at the same time to reach the right place. They are doorways through time. Changing the timings makes it a new doorway. "

I dont remember them mentioning it myself. Like I didnt see it and no one has shown it to me so I cant confirm it. But what I remember spreading was just the devs saying "stopping the atp as the nomai planned wouldnt cause the spacetime ending". And they only addressed that because it would have been a huge sort of plot hole. The entire atp would have been pointless if it were to just destroy the universe anyway. I dont remember it being about paradox's though. People definitely inferred they were talking about paradox's later. But from what I can remember initially it was a paradox free claim. No mention of them.

Ive talked about it in the sense of how it relates to us. But I think a deep dive on it would help people understand it a bit better, Thanks for the suggestion! They really help.

I imagine that in the case you entered the game blind to the time loop mechanic, you would recreate the "first" iteration near perfectly. The only exception would be if your path were to deviate due to something that could vary between the blind playthrough and the prior loops, i.e. the orbital cannon's random direction or the statue encounter, which wouldn't occur in prior loops. Like, there was definitely a loop in there where you woke up and were immediately crushed by a Nomai probe to the face, and that was distinct to your blind playthrough which should in theory fire the probe towards the eye. In my own case I knew of a loop, so flew directly into the sun in my tutorial loop. I can only imagine my prior selves had done the same, however not been fortunate enough to have actually been in the loop. Idiots, the lot of them.

Whatever you do on your first loop is probably what the Hatchling did in all 9 million previous loops, except that the statue didn't look at them when they left the museum. Also like the above commenter said, any loops where the probe would have caught your eye (like when it flies right by Timber Hearth) might change that particular loop too. But without any memory transfer, almost all 9 million loops would look basically the same.

*Too Long, Dont want to read - The common consensus revolves around the idea that both self and the scout are physical objects in spacetime which the ending seems to take issue with. In the case of the nomai , there was no object to cause an issue. Tbh though, the nomai didnt plan to get around this or anything. They were siply unaware of the intense dangers of time travel. *Actual Response - Thanks so much for the kind words! Dlc spoiler free!. Regardless of how it actually works. The devs have stated that the Nomais plan would not have caused the spacetime ending. They didnt elaborate on why. But most peoples reasoning for this is because in the nomais case. No physical thing would be in spacetime that "shouldnt" be. Or in other words , nothing in the current spacetime doesnt have a cause. If youll notice. In every spacetime ending scene, it starts with the cracks centering on and branching out from the "duplicated" object. And in the nomais case , there would be no object in spacetime without a cause. And so nothing for spacetime to notice. I myself , think the discrepancy is caused by another mechanism. But tbh its complicated. Confusing. And Contrarian. And really would probably only serve to confuse you if not digested as a whole. You can find my whole theory on the spacetime ending if you look up "outer wilds and the many worlds interpretation" and "The source of quantum uncertainty in outer wilds explained".

@@TheLoreExplorer Thanks for explaining! I'll check out those videos for sure. Even with those videos however, I'm sure that in order to truly get a PERFECT answer for everything in the game I'll just have to get a PHD in theoretical physics and find out myself lol

@@genderGodhead Thats what I find so interesting about outer wilds! Its taking multiple theoretical physics scenarios and combining them into a cohesive(enough) universe. Theorizing and debating about the game is almost like theorizing and debating real world physics! Youd be so surpsied at how many of my theories regarding the game share similar titles to PBS SPACETIME channels with legit physicists explaining irl concepts!

i think what would happen is that they'd get the coordinates, write them down, and then turn off the loop and head to the eye

They added an update during the dlc. The sun begins to go supernova and the extra solar activity accelerated the bombardment.

The dam breaks in the Stranger because the when the Stranger detects the sun is about to go supernova, it deploys its sails and begins to accelerate away from the sun. You can see that the dam starts leaking shortly thereafter. It's something about the Stranger starting to move that weakens the dam.

@@ReverendTed I just started the DLC and was wondering why the loops don't end in the supernova!

Nope! The devs confirmed the nomais plan would not cause the spacetime ending. We think its because nothing actually gets sent back in time. Its pure information. All of which technically exists already. 1's and 0's already exist. And fundamentally thats all thats being sent back with info. Now objects are a different story. Im also almost positive the reason spacetime ends isnt because "nothing sent them back in time". It only looks that way to the player. Spacetime ends because spacetime changes too much if an extra object stays. But that part is just my own interpretation.

@@TheLoreExplorer That makes a lot more sense now that i think about it lol

the order is to fire in a random direction. the direction is randomly determined and then the launch command is sent to the orbital probe canon.

the black holes don't send stuff back to new timelines, they send stuff back in time during the loop. most of the black holes dont have any big effect on the loop because they only send stuff back a few miliseconds at most. the black hole in the ash twin progect responsible for the loop is given enough power to send stuff back 22 minutes. causality doesnt break spacetime because everything else sent backwards is given a definitive point of origin. the only thing unaccounted for is you jumping into the black hole sending yourself back in time alongside your memories, gabbro's memories, and the probe data. that leads to there being two of yourself with one having memories of the previous loop. however you break spacetime by not allowing yourself to jump into the blackhole, thus giving the previous loop version of yourself no origin point, breaking spacetime

No because from the start physics aren’t the same in their “universe” as ours, and the other thing that is the key factor: They’re not sending back matter or mass through the warp, they’re sending back information by radio waves, which carry no mass, that way they’re circumventing the law of conservation and evading destroying reality Other use we would’ve died at the very end of the game but it doesn’t happen

Extra thought: The way the ATP time loop behaves is very much like a 'parallel universes' style time travel - each loop is somehow *independent* from the others - when you send something back in time, you effectively send it to a parallel universe, that parallel universe representing the 'next' loop in the causal chain. So really, if the game wanted to be extremely consistent here, what should happen when you shoot something else (e.g. your scout) into a black hole is... that it simply disappears and never comes back. And then in some other parallel universe, you opened up the white hole and a random probe just came flying out out of nowhere.

1:) The statue we connected to is wirelessly connected to us. Its connected to the mask within the atp and they communicate instantly. So the mask in the atp is what stores and sends your memories back. Its a bit odd but we know they have the warp pads and they can listen to sound from long distances. Its not too weird to just accept the wireless nature of the statues. 2.) The probe tracking module is also connected to the atp via a nomai statue. Which then communicates this to the specific modules computer in the opc that tracks the probe. Which we happen to find in giants deeps core. But really its through the same way we are connected to the statue. The probe tracking module has a statue of its own. 3.) The atp was designed to be automated. So it would do everything on its own until it found the eye. At which time , the atp and statues would make the nomai aware of the timeloop/probes success. The Nomai would then shut down the atp themselves. Preventing the order for the cannon to be send back and fired again. As it sits. There is no nomai to turn off the atp and along with it , the opc. So it continues to fire. (also , as it sits. The sun is dying naturally. And so it cant be turned off unless the atp itself is. Instead of just having to turn off the sun station as planned) 4.) This one is up in the air. Imo , its explained by your bonus. This is indeed(imo) a multiverse. And self and our scout are different in this sense. With the scout , its a parallel universes version of us sending us a scout. With self. Its actually us entering the black hole in our universe. And exiting in another. And we follow that perspective to a certain extent since we follow the memories. So its just different circumstances with the same mechanic. 1 is coming from another to our universe. 1 is traveling from our universe to another. And we follow that negative time interval instead of having the perspective of no time travel yourself. Tbh this throws a lot of people and they tend to fall back on the idea that self is different because the game cant predict 22 minutes in the future. But after analysis and consideration of the game as a whole(quantum phenom , the black hole/white hole phenom , and the fact we KNOW the eye creates a multiverse. We just dont know to what extent it does it. But solanums words , and the quantum phenoms rules , suggest to me its an infinite multiverse). I think it actually makes sense if we follow it all the way through. 5.) Also solved by your bonus. It may appear to be a single timeline to us. But thats because we are trapped in the perspective of character stuck in a single timeline(9 million different versions of the same character. Each of which die and never experience a timeloop). But the fact seems to be that actions in another universe dont cause the outcome of ours. Everything is relative. And relatively. Cause and effect is actually followed from the viewpoint of the time traveler. Ie we have to jump into the atp before self can appear in the past of another universe. The memories in loop one had to be sent before loop 2's version of us could receive them. But the negative time interval , and the fact that we follow the memories , makes this confusing to most. But anyway , this isnt an issue. The atp would not have caused spacetime to end since it doesnt directly cause anything that shouldnt happen. Everything that happens has a cause , regardless of memories being sent back because relative to the observer(the experiencer of time travel) , everything proceeded normally in regards to cause and effect. (though imo youre right. IF it were a single timeline looping , this should be a problem). This does beg the question "why does spacetime end then?" But I think its because the future was changed in the scenarios in which we create self or a duplicate scout. Just makes more sense to me. Sorry for the long format text stuff. But I hope this helped! And for someone who seems to have a pretty deep want to understand the game at a deeper level than most. I suggest my video "Outer Wilds and the many worlds interpretation". Should probably touch an a lot of this and help you understand better!

@@niklas5336 "The way the ATP time loop behaves is very much like a 'parallel universes' style time travel - each loop is somehow independent from the others - when you send something back in time, you effectively send it to a parallel universe, that parallel universe representing the 'next' loop in the causal chain." Have to disagree with this one. If that were the case, it would be impossible to break reality. Reality breaks because one timeline is involved.