COMMON MYTHS About Ancient History - featuring Raven Todd DaSilva from Dig It With Raven

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David Miano teams up with Raven Todd DaSilva to discuss ten popular misconceptions or misunderstandings about the ancient past. Instead of the usual long-form commentary seen in this series, this time around a historian and an archaeologist fact-check in short order some beliefs about ancient times and archaeology you might hear around the internet.
Contents:
00:00 Introduction
01:28 Did only 300 Spartans fight at Thermopylae?
03:58 Did the Romans invent the Nazi salute?
05:04 Was the library of Alexandria destroyed in one big fire?
07:43 Was the Great Pyramid built to perfection?
09:48 Did Nero fiddle while Rome burned?
11:45 Did the Romans get their gods from the Greeks?
13:30 Is a helicopter depicted in Egyptian hieroglyphs?
14:59 Is cruder work never found under megaliths?
17:20 Are museums hiding artifacts from the public?
18:51 Was the world's first university founded at Taxila?
Raven's companion video:
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On Taxila:
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On the wheel in Egypt:
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orca.cf.ac.uk/45612/1/2013dohe...
On the Cesarean section:
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@HolyKoolaid 3 жыл бұрын

I just flew over here from Raven's channel on my ancient Egyptian helicopter. Good stuff. :)

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Thomas!

@naciremasti 3 жыл бұрын

I love your content, Thomas. You and Dr. M should do a ancient biblical archeology video together.

@ryanong3517 3 жыл бұрын

Holy heck, it's Holy Koolaid!!!! I love it!

@danjtrudeau 3 жыл бұрын

It's interesting how popular culture portrays Ancient Egypt as a super-culture, bordering on alien. The real civilization is impressive enough without the hyperbole.

@ChristmasLore 3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what they're not educated enough to get!🍃

@swagatochatterjee7104 3 жыл бұрын

I often wonder why you need supernatural to describe these things, the world by itself is wonderful.

@danjtrudeau 3 жыл бұрын

@@swagatochatterjee7104 That's exactly how I feel about it.

@cringedproductions 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristmasLore "not educated enough" noice :D

@DwayneShaw1 2 жыл бұрын

well, half the population has less than average intelligence - and a majority of the rest aren't all that impressive either. The real problem isn't the wild speculation of so called 'experts' and 'theorists', it's what they say, and don't say, about actual science. They also make false claims that 'science can't explain' artifacts and structures, or cite long out dated postulation as a current position, and ignore things like stone hammers scattered about quarries. And people believe the contumely along with the baseless claims of 'evidence' - instead of doing a few google searches of what science actually says about something they seem to be so adamantly interested in.

@DigItWithRaven 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for a great collab, and teaching me about the Council of Nicaea!

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Any time!

@cringedproductions 2 жыл бұрын

@@WorldofAntiquity you still have yet to contact Ben, David? it's an easy thing to do!

@davidmiller9485 2 жыл бұрын

which council, there were more than one. Now granted the Councils really were attempts to define doctrine of salvation. The problem was everyone was twisting, adding to or removing some of the decree's. (Hence Arianism) So many times the Councils would go over the same material more than once.... I'm Eastern Orthodox so the Councils apply to me. :)

@VixenRosa 3 жыл бұрын

A bit late to the party here but as fellow ancient historian and focused primarily on Rome I'm so extremely glad you included the "Did the Romans get their gods from the Greeks?" section because it's just so incredibly pervasive and I'm constantly having to debunk it every single time I speak about Roman culture and mythology.

@mrjones2721 2 жыл бұрын

Especially when it’s taught in school. I remember studying tables of correspondences between the two pantheons. This video was the first place where I heard it wasn’t true.

@torfinnzempel6123 Жыл бұрын

The real truth of it is a that both, being Indo-European cultures, got their Gods from the same, but older, culture source from wich they both derived. That is why their gods seem so similar, but have different names.

@flightographist Жыл бұрын

@@torfinnzempel6123 The Proto-Indo-European (PIE) "orogeny" of deities is uncertain for obvious reasons but linkages do appear to be there: Sky Father, Earth Mother, Dawn Goddess, the Thunderer, the Sun Goddess, The Divine Twins, and the Dragon Serpent.

@TorianTammas Жыл бұрын

@@torfinnzempel6123 Why do not then all decendants of the Indo European culture have the same gods? Well?

@helenamcginty4920 10 ай бұрын

Most gods seem to be related to the world around us. Water, thunder, sun, moon, etc so its no wonder they are so similar. Also different areas have different mythologies. Not a lot of ice and glaciers etc in the middle east so no polar bears in the bible. And no camels in Norse mythology. Fire breathing dragons? Volcanoes anyone? Etc.

@theonlygoodlookinghabsburg2081 3 жыл бұрын

Woaw, I cannot believe that the Roman salute myth has been so inscribed in my subconscious that I have never even bothered to double check it but took it for granted all of this time. Now I can rest assured that the fascists didn't ruin any Roman salute.

@RockawayCCW 3 жыл бұрын

Google Francis Bellamy and the Bellamy Salute

@celsus7979 2 жыл бұрын

It may not have been a Roman custom, but there is a precedent. The statue of Marcus Aurelius on horseback. His right arm casually outstretched isnt as 'stiff' as the fascist/nazi salute, but could be the inspiration for it

@bob7975 Жыл бұрын

They've done enough harm to graphic design and facial hair.

@pearcat08 3 ай бұрын

Who'd have thought Neo-N*z1s would be liars?! /s

@erinmcgraw5208 2 жыл бұрын

"I'm still not over the Library of Alexandria being destroyed"- Raven LOL, I feel that!!!! 💙

@tbohtwentyone 2 жыл бұрын

Sad event for mankind.

@celsus7979 2 жыл бұрын

Oh the pain! Imagine what we lost, its like deleting all of youtube, but much worse. Scientific theories, maths, history books, (auto)biographies of great people.

@skepticalgenious Жыл бұрын

It's too soon to joke about it. So much lost knowledge....

@Baul_Punyan Жыл бұрын

I'm not over the colonization/invasion of the Americas. Catholicism destroyed inconceivable amounts of knowledge, only to elevate themselves.

@geekdivaherself Жыл бұрын

Right there with you. When I saw that, I moved my hand towards my chest and grasped my hand in a fist (I said "hand" twice so you wouldn't think what I had grasped was my chest), winced and said out loud, "Ohhhhh, I felt that!"

@Jason-ms8bv 3 жыл бұрын

Greatly refreshing to see actual academics tackling this stuff, in the past I feel the disciplines felt too aloof and this vacuum allowed the armchair speculators too much opportunity to fill in the gaps, I'm off to check out Raven's episode. Thanks for the info guys!

@yisun-sin5780 2 жыл бұрын

I stumbled upon your channel thanks to the History with Cy . I am more knowledgeable on the Middle ages (from early to late Medieval) , however channels like yours really made me look more into details about the Antiquity. What is even better is that you are like history myth busters, which is an amazing idea. Keep up the good work !

@WorldofAntiquity 2 жыл бұрын

So glad you came by. Thanks for watching!

@zenosAnalytic 3 жыл бұрын

The nazis mistaking movies for reality is honestly such a perfect encapsulation of nazism.

@rosemcguinn5301 2 жыл бұрын

@@moodist1er In 1915, prior to WWI

@rosemcguinn5301 2 жыл бұрын

@@moodist1er Hitler did not create reservations, though. And he also took inspiration from some surprising places, such ads his own backyard, so to speak. 👉"During the First World War, eight to nine million prisoners of war were held in prisoner-of-war camps, some of them at locations which were later the sites of Nazi camps, such as Theresienstadt and Mauthausen. Many prisoners held by Germany died as a result of intentional withholding of food and dangerous working conditions in violation of the 1907 Hague Convention.[6] In countries such as France, Belgium, Italy, Austria-Hungary, and Germany, civilians deemed to be of "enemy origin" were denaturalized. Hundreds of thousands were interned and subject to forced labor in harsh conditions.[7] During the Armenian genocide, internment proved deadly to Armenians who were held in temporary camps by the Ottoman Empire prior to their deportation into the Syrian Desert.[8] In the postwar Weimar Republic, the Prussian Ministry of the Interior incarcerated Eastern European Jewish refugees at Cottbus-Sielow and Stargard as "unwanted foreigners".[9][10]"

@str.77 2 жыл бұрын

It wasn't the Nazis though but the Fascists. Also, I'd guess that David's painting had much greater an impact than anyone of the few movies. And of course believing movies would not encapsulate Nazism at all, or the world would be much more Nazi than it used to be in 1941.

@str.77 2 жыл бұрын

@@rosemcguinn5301 False equivalence.

@str.77 Жыл бұрын

@Janitor Queen Maybe it's a contributing factor but that's not what Zeno ssid above.

@coolintruddle 3 жыл бұрын

What a fun video! Although the information is nothing new for me, I want to thank you for the collaboration. I have been looking for new archeology channels and Raven's seems like a great one to follow.

@dantyler6907 2 жыл бұрын

The inner stones of the GP even have an ancient mortar glopped in between I'll-fitting stones. There is a corner of the structure broken apart and the inside work of the GP is a real mess...

@Jay-xw9ll 6 ай бұрын

Thank you both for these minutes of sanity.

@sairadha674 3 жыл бұрын

So library of Alexandria is defunded out of existence.

@ratheonhudson3311 3 жыл бұрын

So many budget cuts

@TheMoneypresident 3 жыл бұрын

Ancient alien theorists say, "no".

@thhseeking 2 жыл бұрын

How can they argue with the Blue Box?

@mariolongtin8271 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video, I learned a lot! :) I'm already looking forward to part 2!

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@elihinze3161 3 жыл бұрын

Such a great video! I really enjoy this type of stuff.

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

@sgtflashback5442 Жыл бұрын

I love your enthusiasm, you both are an inspiration to human curiousness about our fascinating history.

@peterdore2572 Жыл бұрын

I really really like these Collabs! I really hope you guys make more! Its such a Good Mix!

@gunlovingliberal1706 3 жыл бұрын

Invoking Occam's razor will not deter the "it's aliens" crowd. They see that as the simplest answer to any difficult question.

@cdburner2548 Жыл бұрын

I always thought that the saying "Nero fiddled while Rome burned" just meant he stood around and did nothing, not that he got his string band together and played "Turkey in a Staw".

@edfu_text_U_later 2 жыл бұрын

This was really great, good job and I will be sure to check Raven's channel out. In particular I loved the way you addressed the 'cruder stones are never found under the megalithic ones'. Sometimes they are not, sometimes they are.

@massivechafe 2 жыл бұрын

I love this channel, criminally underviewed!

@kariannecrysler640 2 жыл бұрын

This was a fun one! Enjoyed it very much ❤

@dersitzpinkler2027 Жыл бұрын

Glad this got to my homepage. Really great, fun episode

@scottnunnemaker5209 Жыл бұрын

What I’m getting about museums is we need bigger museums and many more of them so more artifacts could be on display and not hidden away in some vault buried in the back rooms.

@eddymonies8302 3 жыл бұрын

I literally read someone’s entire thesis explaining the ancient Egyptian helicopter hypothesis yesterday, what a cowinkydink... Great vid, loved the collab, will sub Raven! Also, is sub Reddit up yet?

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Ha not yet.

@ejrich7016 3 жыл бұрын

It would be fun if any of those nutty advanced civilisations theories were true, but it's important to have factual responses to those nuts as well. Keep up the good work!

@AIenSmithee Жыл бұрын

Of course you’d say that. You’re probably one of the elite dogmatic materialist “scientists”. You’ve probably never considering telekinesis being used to lift the stones for the pyramid. Have you even done hard drugs before? How much is Zahi Hawass paying you? I will not forgive this transgression as it’s an affront to the patron saint of internet academia Graham Hancock. I’ve done my own reasearch and spent vast minutes on KZfaq watching interviews with Joe Rogan.

@dougcard5241 10 ай бұрын

There are more than a few hundreds of other pieces of evidence that make no sense and the idea that anyone who pays attention didn't already know about the trilithon is wrong. Its the first think one learns about ancient civilizations. Feel free to explain , which is not possible IMO, why any human would be so insane as to suggest stones for walls should be bigger than 50 tons. Then can explain what the 1200, 1400, and 1600+ ton stones would have been used for and why. No one has the answers and if say they do are lying to you.

@JB-mf9ob 7 ай бұрын

With regards to Museums hiding artifacts, this same professor discussed in the cocaine mummies episode that the museum where the specimens that were tested positive for cocaine are housed would not gran access to scientists wanting to second check the cocaine tests. In that episode he certainly made some arguments that the reasons being given for not providing access to the artifacts/mummies was suspicious or at least illogical. I am not a believer in some “super advanced” ancient civilization or alien explanations for human accomplishments, but I am a believer that corruption and self interest find their way into institutions and influence peoples behaviors, so it seems that based on at least one previous example given on this Chanel, the answer to whether museums hide artifacts was inappropriately dismissive.

@mickdipiano8768 3 жыл бұрын

I'm really excited about this video

@mr.bulldops7692 3 жыл бұрын

One of the coolest thing I had to "unlearn" how the ancient gods were thought of that differs from our modern Judeo-Christian way of thinking of gods. The ancients often believed (or I was told they believed) that gods inhabited the land in which they were worshipped. So the Roman gods held sway in Rome, the Persian in Persian Empire, etc. I think it was Darius the Great whom I first heard about paying homage to the Greek gods while in the Greek lands and I thought that was so interesting.

@str.77 2 жыл бұрын

Actually, you can find the "territorial" nature of gentile gods right there in the Bible even in regard to the LORD.

@celsus7979 2 жыл бұрын

When the Romans tried to conquer a city, they performed a religous ceremony called Evocatio to convince the deity protecting the city to abandon it and move to Rome. This included a pledge to build a temple in Rome for the deity.

@colinhayter4029 10 ай бұрын

Yes this is true in our shared ancestors seen as Life’s Creators. Our living Nature existing within the land, winds and rain, our Cosmos. However those didn’t worship there. Our shared Ancestors instead they honoured our Creators They never worshiped anything, that’s different.

@sreal-iron5898 2 жыл бұрын

nice video, i enjoyed it, thank you for creating it

@straightfrom 3 жыл бұрын

This video was such a good idea. I very much enjoyed learning :)

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@anitapollard1627 2 жыл бұрын

Good episode 😁 going over to Raven's channel now 🤗 thank you!!

@ulrichkamp6291 2 ай бұрын

Great, love it! At the end of the Alexandria chapter, though, I heard "... burst into flames ... save the squirrels..."! Good times. Time to call it a day...

@Lufu2 Жыл бұрын

Anytime I get into a conversation with someone who insists on any of the points made here I will direct them to this VERY INFORMATIVE and Excellent Video! The best. I just found you David Miano's Channel and now Raven DaSilva's Channel just subscribe. Awesome, I am so happy 🙂

@stage1greg 2 жыл бұрын

thanks David and Raven, good stuff.

@praveenb9048 9 ай бұрын

You can never convince me that the Romans didn't salute that way. It's right there in all those Asterix books.

@markokrsmanovic2562 Жыл бұрын

Hi David, i just want to say that my Roman law textbook did mention that Pater familiae apparently greeted each others with a rased hand and an open fist, it ment manus and it represented the fact that they were owners of things like land, fruits of the land and human lives. It is said that the fascist party adopted the greeting and in the same spirit of power over others. Later it was adopted by the nazy party. Maybe it was some myth and i might have misunderstood.

@giulia885 Жыл бұрын

Hi! To my knowledge Manus was the legal power that the Pater familiae held on his wife and her possessions in case of wedding cum Manu, the oldest form of wedding that became less and less common with time - the hand was used ritually during the ceremony to represent the woman going under the "Manus" of the husband (under his control), it wasn't a form of greeting. Later the sine manu became the norm and the woman didn't exit her original gens after the wedding, could hold property, inherit from her father etc

@markokrsmanovic2562 Жыл бұрын

@@giulia885 ty for that information, I might have misses "Manu" being name for a wedding or my professor might have been full of shit but she wrote what I said, as well thr fact that pater familie could sell his family member into slavery if he accumulated dept or for instance take gis wives life is she drank wine in public. The punishment, she wrote, for a male family member who raised hand against P.F. was for the offender to be put in a big bag with a monkey, a rooster, a snake and a cat and tossed into the sea from a cliff. Believe that or not but that was what she wrote☺

@giulia885 Жыл бұрын

@@markokrsmanovic2562 it wasn't exactly the name of a wedding, it represented the absolute power that the father/husband held. The Pater familiae did hold power of life and death over all family components, and he could "sell" his children through mancipatio (symbolically using the hand again -it wasn't exactly slavery cause the child was still free and Roman citizens could not be sold in slavery, the child became liber in causa mancipii -free but subject to the patria potestas of someone else) up to three times (then he lost his patria potestas). The hand was used ritually in other cases beside manicipatio (declaring something to be your property), like some form of "manumissio" (ways to set a slave free) and to emancipate your child, making him sui iure, not subject to your patria potestas (he sold the child three times to a friend, after the third time selling his child the father lost the potestas over them and the friend set the child free through manumissio). So the hand represented the Pater familiae potestas over the extended family he was at the head of (wife, children, slaves, ecc). Killing your father was considered the most heinous crime, and to punish it there was poena cullei (a very old punishment that was briefly abolished and then reinstated still during the empire). The murder, wearing wood sandals and a wolf skin hood, was whipped with "blood coloured" whips, then sewn inside a cullus (sack) with a rooster, an ape, a viper and a dog (not cat, to my knowledge! -the animals were chosen as considered low and capable of unnatural acts of parricide or filicide), and then thrown in the Tiber or the sea after being paraded (in the sack) all over the city.

@motopanza 3 жыл бұрын

just subbed as i found this really fun and informative

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

@TSZatoichi 3 жыл бұрын

Good video, thanks for showing us Ravens channel, heading over there now.

@eighthgate1420 2 жыл бұрын

“Nothings impossible” simply means that it is impossible for there to be nothing! It does not mean anything is possible, my goodness!

@colinhayter4029 10 ай бұрын

Enjoyed the explanations. Learned a thing or two for having watched it. Been working my way thru the series this a fourth one. Shared the last three. Very refreshing all of them. Very much appreciating some much needed house cleaning. Moping up from an industry making Mysteries even into places previously none existed. Sweeping up our most gullible led further, further away from ever knowing much of anything. Creating in their wake a damaging Cultural vandalism.

@zazaza903 2 жыл бұрын

this chanel is real gold

@UberGringo Жыл бұрын

First clip about the 300 Spartans; the other King Themistocles of Athens defeated the Persian fleet while Leonidas was holding the pass. He never gets mentioned, but was instrumental in the defeat of the second Persian invasion.

@TorianTammas Жыл бұрын

It was not really a defeat as they sacked Athens and conquered a lot of Greek cities. Not to mention that some Greeks supported the invasion.

@theresiakreutzer 3 жыл бұрын

Came over from Raven's channel and I'm impressed. 👍😁

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for coming, Theresia. Welcome!

@jasonhare8540 2 жыл бұрын

The museum's hiding artifacts thing has always pissed me off . What museum head would sit quietly on a controversial earth shattering artifact knowing the type of funding that could bring to their institution . Just the debates around the controversy alone would fund the institute for 200 years . It makes no logical sense to hide things of that nature . I mean that would literally be like owning a winning horse but only taking your ass to the track ....

@str.77 2 жыл бұрын

However, that is the myth that can actually be true in this or that case. We'd need evidence for that, however.

@TorianTammas Жыл бұрын

@@str.77 We need evidence that you are not hiding an invisible dragon in your home. Unless you can provide it dragons exist in you home. Even I you provide evidence that it does not exist in your home it still can in your neighbours home. Do you notice the problem? We need a proof that it is exists and unless proven it doesn't.

@str.77 Жыл бұрын

@@TorianTammas No, you don't need that as nobody claims that. Silly analogies make for bad philosophy.

@bobman3388 3 жыл бұрын

Go Pro! Great Mythbusts everyone will be Raven about!

@garetkonigsfeld2 2 жыл бұрын

So glade I found your channel. 👍👍👍

@WorldofAntiquity 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome!

@RafaelSCalsaverini 2 жыл бұрын

People forget that museums are *research institutions*, not only public venues for people to see artifacts. Most of the objects are there for research and preservation, not for public display.

@alicetries5954 2 жыл бұрын

This is such a good video!

@WorldofAntiquity 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@franciskolarik6802 2 жыл бұрын

Watching this one way after after it came out, but another point about the "300": That's just the warrior class (actual enfranchised citizens). Like most armies, they would have had a lot of support, including logistics, assistants, and warfighters of one sort or other from among the Helots and youth.

@vladtheimpala5532 3 жыл бұрын

These collaborations are working for you. I discovered your channel through your collaboration with Atun Shei and History With Cy and now I’m going to check out Dig It With Raven. They aren’t just working for you though. They’re also working for your audiences because they give us more sources of information. Pretty soon I’ll know everything. 🤗

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

I'm happy to hear that!

@Iammrspickley Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love her reaction after reading the card saying: the ancient Egyptians knew about helicopter's..... 😂

@memorydrain7806 3 жыл бұрын

Deserves more views.

@1Dubbelman 3 жыл бұрын

David Miano looking like he's posing for the "With the Beatles" album cover 😉. Love the videos man, gonna visit the Yucatan with a lot more insight and perspective thanks to you! Keep up the good work 👍

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Roberto!

@stevesanders1905 2 жыл бұрын

The laugh from Raven when discussing the ancient Egyptian helicopter is priceless. I give the same reaction about it most times it comes up.

@Norralin 2 жыл бұрын

But you can clearly see how the video has been doctored by our alien overlords - these two schmucks won't fool me!

@stevesanders1905 2 жыл бұрын

@@Norralin alien overlords ? lol what ?

@Norralin 2 жыл бұрын

@@stevesanders1905 I was just joking - you can see that there's a compression error in that segment. I'm quite sure there's a cook out there that'd read something into it!

@archaeologyearth 3 жыл бұрын

I can't help but imagine a group of Egyptian Helicopters flying in formation down the Nile checking the harvest like some old war film! :)

@TheMoneypresident 3 жыл бұрын

The horror, the horror.

@celsus7979 2 жыл бұрын

They were spraying pesticides obviously. Havent you read the bible? Locusts everywhere!

@Kain5th 3 жыл бұрын

you guys are making me wanna start up civilization iv again lol

@M.M.83-U 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice video.

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@MrShankaPerera 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting video :)

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 🙂

@rosemcguinn5301 2 жыл бұрын

I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Any plans to do the same kind of thing again? Great content. FYI You may want to check and even edit captions. I've found some errors while trying to be quiet for others on a Sunday morning. The first and most glaring one made me giggle (softly). Instead of "warehouse of scrolls," it reads, "warehouse of squirrels." I'm not joking. A second one turns "a famous seat of learning" into "a famous SEED of learning." Off to view Raven's video now!

@WorldofAntiquity 2 жыл бұрын

Ah, thanks for letting me know. I recently hired my niece to do captioning for me!

@rcrawford42 2 жыл бұрын

The Library of Alexandria slowly disappeared as time travellers "rescued" material from it.

@lucianoluciano4632 3 жыл бұрын

Nice one, next time do a back and forth among you two, some interaction would be great!

@rosemcguinn5301 2 жыл бұрын

One last thing. Gerard Butler's abs were real for the movie, "300." "As the 15th anniversary of "300" approaches, Gerard Butler reflected in an exclusive interview with Looper for his new film, "Copshop," on the crushing preparation he undertook to bring some muscle to Leonidas. And while the actor and his "Copshop" co-star, Alexis Louder, joked around that his abs were fake in the film ("Everything on me is fake! This is a fake face," Butler cracked, motioning to his mug), he clarified that he did indeed take to extreme measures to get ripped for the role. ""They were real. I actually could stick my fingers up to there in my abs," Butler told Looper, motioning to his abdominal area. "I was training for months. I mean, by the time I'd finished, I'd been training for nine months, and I was on a six-hour day regime." The training, Butler added, didn't end when production on "300" began. "Even when I was filming, I was pumping before every take and training at lunch and training at night," Butler recalled. "Yeah, I paid the price after, but it wasn't just for the body. It was also for the attitude ... because I kept thinking, 'These guys were willing to die in any moment, so the least I could do would be willing to die in that moment to recreate who they were.'" Read More: www.looper.com/606296/gerard-butler-reveals-how-he-really-got-ripped-to-play-leonidas-in-300-exclusive/?

@youtubezcy 2 жыл бұрын

Would love to hear your take on Joseph Atwill's theories on Roman Christianity.

@Svartalf14 11 ай бұрын

As for Nero fiddling during the great fire, we French say he was playing the lyre....

@hoggypare7629 2 жыл бұрын

On the point of universities, as you rightfully brought up, it is very much up to what definitions do we accept - and since Bologna was what defined what University is, it is naturally the first example. I do like however a slightly wider definition of university as an institution of higher education and research - and I think one contender for a very early example of that would be the Pandididakterion, or, how some would say, the University of Constantinople. Founded in 425AD, it was an institution that had legal presence (set educational curriculum, its education was officially recognized by the state, etc.) that most of the loose philosopher schools of earlier days, like Plato's Academy, lacked. It is an interesting example, operating relatively closely to how we understand universities of today. I also like this example because it debunks the myth of supposed dark ages of ignorance brought to Rome by its adoption of Christianity. Anyway, just my small input but I also wish to say that I really enjoyed the video, and others on this channel. I appreciate the immense work you must put into them, especially in debunking some of the crazier myths and providing actual evidence on the matter!

@briggs5534 2 жыл бұрын

and those "hidden" artifacts do get switched around occasionally, leading to new exhibits!

@walterulasinksi7031 2 жыл бұрын

It is generally within the realm of the supernatural, that many myths begin. Every culture has their own myths. Before the Olympians, , there were the Titans. Before the demigods of Sumer, there were the Annunaki. When cultures connect or advance, assimilation of myths will occur. It is considered that the Library of Alexandria was formed to be the reference of all knowledge and philosophies and also be the considered as one of the reasons for it’s destruction. While competing ideologies are a large factor,there would also what could be seen as the rescuing of demonstrable facts, then dispersed to various locations for safeguarding. With such occurrences, without the prior references, knowledge would decline into a “Dark Age” only to have a Renaissance when the ancient references were no longer hidden. Even the references that had not been hidden such as the works of Heron, these may be a compilation of yet more ancient knowledge. Some of the works if Archimedes may have been the republishing of ancient knowledge. His water screw may have been that he was able to discern the meaning of an ancient Assyrian word for a Date Palm. Without proper reference, there is a greater likelihood for confusion.

@mickdipiano8768 3 жыл бұрын

Gonna go check out Ravens channel now. Thanks !

@5am.robert5 9 ай бұрын

Started as a Hancock fan, but eventually led to a massive Miano fan. ❤

@WorldofAntiquity 9 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

@garryferrington811 4 ай бұрын

Tony Hancock was funny! So was Sid James.

@bob7975 Жыл бұрын

When I watch the movie 300, I like to headcanon that this is the version of events related by this one Spartan survivor who was sent back with an eye missing and a serious head injury. It's what he thought happened. I find the film much more enjoyable this way.

@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: Aristodemus, the feller your Spartan survivor is based on, was ostracised for surviving. And so shamed, that, in the battle of Plataea, he charged the Persian lines alone and died.

@gouravdey497 3 жыл бұрын

Chanakya, also known as Kautilya, the strategist who guided Chandragupta Maurya and assisted in the founding of the Mauryan empire. Chanakya's Arthashastra (The knowledge of Economics) is said to have been composed in Taxila. The Ayurvedic healer Charaka also studied at Taxila. Jīvaka, the court physician of the Magadha emperor Bimbisara who once cured the Buddha, and the Buddhism-supporting ruler of Kosala, Prasenajit, are some important personalities mentioned in Pali texts who studied at Taxila.

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

It is possible that Chanakya wrote his book at Taxila, and that Charaka studied there, but the story about Jivaka studying there is unlikely to be true based on the information I presented.

@podemosurss8316 2 жыл бұрын

11:12 In Spain we have the image that he played the lyre and song while Rome burnt.

@christopherlane5238 Жыл бұрын

Regarding the Roman gods coming from the Greek gods, it’s not an assumption. That is what was taught in the public schools in America that I went to during the 70s and 80s.

@DavidFMayerPhD 2 жыл бұрын

If you gave a major museum a grant equal to 1000 times its annual budget, it COULD display ALL of its wares. The museum would need to be centupled in size to accomplish this. Nobody seems to be willing to fork over this much money.

@tsmspace 3 жыл бұрын

300 ... the legend of helms deep

@immature4hisage 3 жыл бұрын

Can we get a vid with both you guys face to face. I'd like to see some serious fighting and perhaps a wrestling match over some ancient conundrum. Would make for a megamatch!!

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe when the pandemic is over.

@scottnunnemaker5209 Жыл бұрын

The story of the 300 being mainly about the 300 Spartans has probably more to do with the survivor being a Spartan.

@MarkBuckleyNapa 3 жыл бұрын

Very good myth buster episode. I will take slight issue with one of Raven’s assertions regarding Spartans not wanting to leave because of harvest. The religious reason is valid, but Spartans viewed agriculture as literally “beneath them” and only Helots would have done this “base” work, so even though it would have been at that time of year, it would not have prevented actual Spartans from heading the call of defense at the Hot Gates.

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Ah, interesting point. The harvest and the festival were kind of rolled up into one. The Spartans would certainly have participated in the Carneia, the harvest festival, even though they would not have done the work of harvesting itself.

@wodenravens 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid! By the way, timestamps for the topics in the description would be useful too! Might encourage viewers to dip in and out, maybe increase views!

@WorldofAntiquity 3 жыл бұрын

Done!

@wodenravens 3 жыл бұрын

@@WorldofAntiquity Legend! Although it was a pleasure to watch the whole thing.

@incoldblood975 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. I'll go peep Ravens channel as well now

@kelthuzzadofnaxxramas2725 2 жыл бұрын

What do you think of David Rohl's revised chronology for Ancient Egyptian history?

@ddddavid1956 2 жыл бұрын

Please address the Phaisos controversy! Thank you.

@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer Жыл бұрын

What controversy?

@zibacherzad2844 Жыл бұрын

Two small questions, at the gates the 4000 heavy infantry fighting must have had supporting elements such as skirmishers, shield bearers, supply personnel. Does anyone have an approximate idea how many of them were at the battle? Second question is about the Roman salute, when I was in the military, I was told the military salute came by lower ranks raising their right hand as a sign to show they didn’t represent a threat to their higher command. Most people were right handed and weapons would have been on the right hand side. Could be older than even Greeks.

@GumaroRVillamil 8 ай бұрын

Also, Greek and Roman mythology already had a common based from a shared Indo-European background. For example, the sky-father figure was central to early Indo-European mythology. Jupiter = Dieus-piter = Zeus pater

@mrjones2721 2 жыл бұрын

About the "Roman salute": There is ONE (1) Roman bas-relief of a parade in which the onlookers reach up their hands to the passing parade in a gesture which could, kinda-sorta, mmmmaybe look like a Nazi salute if you squint, and never saw real people at a parade, and were highly motivated to find proof that the Nazi salute wasn't invented by the Nazis. Neo-Nazis point to it as proof that the "Roman salute" came from ancient Rome. People who aren't neo-Nazis point out that the onlookers' arms and wrists aren't rigid, and everyone is raising their arm at a different angle. They're not saluting. They're reaching out, just like people today do when a cool float passes by. (Or when somebody's throwing candy. The Romans threw coins, didn't they? Roman paradegoers got the better deal.) I wanted to point that out because someone from the alt-right is bound to eventually find this video and use the bas-relief as evidence. Shoo, Adolf. Don't drag the ancient Romans into your mess.

@celsus7979 2 жыл бұрын

Also take a look at the statue of Marcus Aurelius on horse back. A casually outstretched arm, probably a greating, not quite the fascist/nazi salute but similar.

@philpaine3068 2 жыл бұрын

Nalanda, in modern day Bihar, has the best claim to being an early "university" in India. It was the great center of Buddhist, Hindu and Jain learning, starting in the 5th Century CE and continuing so for about 600 years. While initially a Buddhist monastery, it acquired a gigantic library, attracted students and teachers of other religions, and taught grammar, logic, literature, astrology, astronomy, and medicine in addition to religious subjects. It was independently governed, though patronized by the Gupta kings. In a later period, the Hindu king Harsha was its patron. We have several descriptions from Chinese scholars who visited or attended it.

@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer Жыл бұрын

Interesting, thanks. 😃

@PrincipledUncertainty 2 жыл бұрын

There is a great debunking of Ancient Aliens on VersebyVerseBT's channel. He comes at it from a Christian perspective, but that does not kick in until the end. He does a very precise job of unpicking the lies that the "History" Channel choses to promulgate for dubious reasons, though I do not share his religious leanings. As I previously stated, the biblical aspect does not kick in until fairly late on, but what proceeds it is fairly impressive. Great channel BTW.

@zacharymorris4504 Жыл бұрын

Did the Spartans that participated in the battle of Thermopylae not bring along any helots? I was under the impression, don't remember where from, that the Spartans were rather callous with the lives of their slaves and used them in military campaigns.

@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer Жыл бұрын

I'm sure they did, but Helots don't count ... they're not even people. 😓

@douglasphillips5870 Жыл бұрын

We know from Roman description of Celtic gods, that Romans would use the names of their own gods for similar gods in other cultures.

@chickenduckhappy Жыл бұрын

Of course, tradition demands that the gods had always been the same and Aeneas of Troy and Dido and Italy and Romulus and Remus and of course, the Illiad hat always been the most important holy tale since before the actual founding of Rome because the Illiad and the Aenaeid are the actual history of Rome until a couple generations before Rome was founded.

@-OICU812- Жыл бұрын

Loved the video, but where is Ockham's Razor when I need a shave? 😁

@chickenduckhappy Жыл бұрын

Didn't Greek and Roman deities converge a little bit inside the common Roman world? Or did people in Romans in Athens attribute vastly different properties to Zeus than Romans in Rome attributed to Jupiter? Was then Sol Invictus the first kinda unification?

@walterulasinksi7031 2 жыл бұрын

As to the oldest university, or center of education, there can be an argument for sites such as Gobekli Tepi. Here the excavations of the “Temples” bear strikingly similar forms in close proximity. Such patterns are most commonly seen on university campuses with respect to classrooms. It is a disservice that when archeologists excavate sites of this nature they seem to consider them as religious. Why should a meeting place always be religious? While sites such as Thebes are considered to be one of many Temples, they do not bear close resemblance to each other. The differences are as striking as the”Gods” to be worshiped. I suggest that any meeting site where there are structures of similar pattern can be centers of education, even if there are types if religious practices held in any of them. Humans, just by the act if meeting together have a nature to compare experiences with others and that is the beginning of a center of learning. There are similarities between henges and theaters, as acoustically it has been shown that from certain points in a henge, the stones reflect and amplify acoustics. The same can apply to Temples snd classrooms, but the main achievement is the passing of information with the. greatest ease to a large body of people. Burial barrows ,Kivas, all have similar properties of acoustic amplification.and therefore can be used for similar function. It then becomes a matter of what influence is then applied. Is it a provable fact that can be demonstrated or a belief? When the influence is one of belief, then the concept of supernatural power through a “God” or person becomes a more important focus in the nature of controlling a population, as opposed to the show and tell of demonstrable facts where different views on the same fact can also be demonstrated. Such is then associated and not immutable. That is the biggest difference between a “ University” and a “ Temple”.

@ArmchairPhilosopher360 3 жыл бұрын

Please do a video about Brien Foerster's extensive coverage of elongated skulls. Please discuss if they are real, and whether or not they are evidence of an unknown sub-species of humans.

@PrincipledUncertainty 2 жыл бұрын

I'm never sure whether Brien is a grifter or an idiot. I suspect the former.

@dirtysouthclimbing 2 жыл бұрын

They are real. The skull sutures are different.

@bobwilson7684 2 жыл бұрын

@@PrincipledUncertainty real maths kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hZ-Khbt0npvVfac.html

@mrjones2721 2 жыл бұрын

@@dirtysouthclimbing If his claims were true, anthropologists and biologists would be climbing over one another for a chance to study the skulls.

@davidmiller9485 2 жыл бұрын

It depends on whether or not they wrapped the infants heads in cloth wraps. (not joking, there is one culture in South/Latin America that wrapped their infant children's heads in cloth to get a taper, weird crap... but who am i to judge???)