Common Smash 64 Myths DEBUNKED

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Жыл бұрын

Smash 64 is sometimes seen as the decrepit grandfather of Smash. Not as cool and underground as Melee and not as new and hip as games like Sm4sh or Ultimate, but that doesn't mean they don't have a thriving community or common misconceptions about their game: let's take a look at some today!
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@cagt3000 Жыл бұрын

Hppe you all like it! *also note: Kero won Xanadu Origins and not Boom, I mixed up Singles/Doubles when making the script 😅

@jakehr3 Жыл бұрын

Love that you are on this. This is GT, and having talked to you multiple times in person, it's just great to have someone who not only loves the game, but is also involved with the community and spreading it with their larger platform/connections.

@yaboi_burrus Жыл бұрын

Ily cyrus ❤

@the9thinning1 Жыл бұрын

smash 64 needs more love!!!!!

@INFINITEFRGFRAGS Жыл бұрын

No, remix edition will need more than original one!

@arhkma_muddykipz Жыл бұрын

Glad to see 64 get some love, and added info for people unfamiliar with the scene. From, a Luigi main :]

@diegoray8350 Жыл бұрын

Also nobody plays Brawl or Sm4sh today anymore, unlike Smash 64 which is still very active

@Dorriedude 10 ай бұрын

glad to see ssb64 getting some love it deserves, personally i think this game needs to be talked about more because on how awesome it is watching ssb64 tournaments :)

@FocaSSB64 Жыл бұрын

I am glad to be part of this, thanks for the content, and congrats! Greetings from Foca

@BudderWil 10 ай бұрын

Even though I haven't played 64 in the past few months thanks to street fighter, this is the most accurate and in depth video of 64 i have seen. This game needs love, and deserves love. Play the game, enjoy the game, and learn something new. Bless Nate L for getting me into this game years ago. Long live 64. The most loving and fun group of people I have ever had the pleasure of spending time with. Nothing is impossible.

@gatorssbm Жыл бұрын

I feel like 1 thing people forget is that another reason combos arent as cookie cutter is because theres no buffer here, most newer players prob assume its just as bad as the linear combos of the new games but 0 from 10 frames is a huge gap so it takes a fair bit more effort with most characters despite the hitstun.

@cagt3000 Жыл бұрын

I think the high hitstun generally makes up for the lack of buffering (at low levels specifically), but yes if you get serious about 64, having no buffer is a bigger gap than people realize

@simanolastname2399 Жыл бұрын

@@cagt3000 is it the same level of no buffer as Melee or is it even more sparse? Melee does have a few notable instances of buffer such as out of shield options but it's pretty sparse overall.

@cagt3000 Жыл бұрын

@@simanolastname2399 I believe Smash 64's lack of buffering is about the same as Melee, if not *slightly* more sparse (I don't know all the specifics of Melee though). But yes, you essentially have to input everything manually, and given the high hitstun, it's hard to tell sometimes when exactly you ARE able to input a move.

@simanolastname2399 Жыл бұрын

@@cagt3000 ok, so I checked the Smash wiki. It states that in Melee (compared to 64): Attacking after a turnaround can no longer be buffered It is no longer possible to buffer actions out of hitlag when hit with armor It is now possible to buffer actions Out of Shield after shieldstun by holding the C-stick I'd say overall it's pretty close, could honestly go both ways.

@Dorriedude 10 ай бұрын

@@simanolastname2399 also there's a buffer for stick jump in ssb64, smilar to melee the window is 2-3 frames before you take another action

@randomnerdontheinternet967 Жыл бұрын

Glad to see more love for smash 64 being spread around

@griffith3142 Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate you all making this and spreading the 64 love.

@-nn-3886 Жыл бұрын

Yeah! New L4st video, and about the OG Smash. Awesome

@ihateaaronanderson Жыл бұрын

Ty l4st and cagt!! Great introductory video into our scene!

@a5232106 8 ай бұрын

Really well done , thank you for this 🔥

@MeesterTweester Жыл бұрын

Great video, it's a fun game to get into, even if it's decades later and my main game is Ultimate

@TaleOfTheToaster Жыл бұрын

My favourite part was when Meta Knight said No

@quesocowboy 2 ай бұрын

cagt wrote the script to this entire video btw. the same guy who TO’s ultimate tourneys is extremely passionate about smash 64/remix

@x9x9x9x9x9 5 ай бұрын

Awesome work! I only know surface level 64 stuff and to be completely honest I am stopping the video after 4 minutes simply because I like it that way. The smash con 64 combo contest is the one even I look forward to most every year and not knowing much about the game makes it even more magical. But if I ever get into playing 64 then I will for sure finish this video.

@Brob2nd 4 ай бұрын

If you are thinking about playing Smash 64 some day, then i would recommend to play Smash Remix, a mod of Smash 64 but expanded and better, that including new characters, stages, items, game modes and etc, also a improved training mode if you want to improve at the game, etc

@typhlosion7872 Жыл бұрын

Tbh, the N64 controller was much easier for me to get used to when starting compared to the GameCube controller, Wii remote with nunchuck and then without nunchuck, and then 3ds. It's surprisingly not too hard if you have muscle memory of Nintendo controllers in general

@feresoththedamned2688 Жыл бұрын

You either spoke about DI twice, or i just need to take my meds

@cagt3000 Жыл бұрын

It was mentioned twice, yes - it's a fairly big part of the game, so that's why it's included in 2 different sections

@-nn-3886 Жыл бұрын

DI is just too good in the game that has to be twice in the script, one for every time you have to mash that stick

@meemameemer5015 Жыл бұрын

15:20 Superboomfan got 2nd to KeroKeropi at Xanadu Origins actually.

@cagt3000 Жыл бұрын

Yep, that waw my b 😅

@NunofYerbizness 10 ай бұрын

Something I just started wondering about; In a world where any Smash prototype was available in the public (Melee's E3 2001 demo for example), would tournaments have prototype brackets for the appropriate games? …Probably not (for legal reasons), plus we kinda got something like that already, with SSB4Wiiu's E3 2014 demo being played at the Nintendo World Championships 2014

@luigit0ilet 10 ай бұрын

super cool watch :)

@JANJANOJAN Жыл бұрын

i love how blunt the myths are

@thrusteavis Жыл бұрын

your voice reminds me of playing jackbox, good vid

@trevormccarron4451 4 ай бұрын

it’s actually crazy to me that modded control sticks are just an accepted part of competitive smash

@javi994 2 ай бұрын

Yeah because Nintendo still CAN’T DO THEIR JOB

@javi994 2 ай бұрын

It’s also part of SM64 speedrunning

@Frank7489 10 ай бұрын

Talking about 3rd party controllers, RetroFighters makes a controller called the Brawler64 that’s not half bad. The stick is super smooth making dash dancing and full length pivots very easy, the only thing is tilts become harder than on OEM. In my experience a lot new ppl prefer the brawler64 cuz they find it more familiar

@efry56 Жыл бұрын

Love the video, always cool to see some love shown to the less popular smash games! I did notice though at 13:38 you say “SSBU Rankings” when I think you meant SSB64? Sorry if this is pedantic or annoying, just thought you might want to know! Edit: I’ve been corrected in the comments, carry on 🫡

@MeesterTweester Жыл бұрын

Yup those are the 64 rankings

@cagt3000 Жыл бұрын

64 refers to the "SSB-U" rankings as the "Super Smash Bros - U Version" rankings, as in the NA version of the game (JP and EU versions have gameplay differences, but NA is the most commonly accepted version in the community)

@efry56 Жыл бұрын

@@cagt3000oooh interesting, I didn’t know that! Thanks for the nugget of wisdom :)

@OpiupAlmaManiac Жыл бұрын

Every quick gag in this video made me laugh like a Cow and Chicken chatacter.

@Minecraft_1.20.1 3 ай бұрын

As a smash 64 player I have 2 mains. Fox and kirby

@grayola6728 Жыл бұрын

Good video, just wish it wasn’t made by my two least favorite people in smash :/

@L4st Жыл бұрын

Understandable have a nice day

@grayola6728 Жыл бұрын

@@L4st you too!!

@cagt3000 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your feedback grayola6728!

@ydood2559 Жыл бұрын

Fire

@yowymer Жыл бұрын

Why wasn't this uploaded at 4am?

@gamma_dc8289 Жыл бұрын

Alabama's darling smash 64 player gamma dc here with my iconic catchphrase "hey do you want to play smash 64 I play link"

@gamma_dc8289 Жыл бұрын

This game also just taught me how to SDI lmao

@andykins7028 Жыл бұрын

Boom got 2nd at Xanadu to Kero. Great video though

@cagt3000 Жыл бұрын

Yep that's on me!

@andykins7028 Жыл бұрын

@@cagt3000 it's better for propaganda so you get a pass

@idkany293 3 ай бұрын

4:56 uhhh that's not smash 64 that's smash MELEE 64

@Mjflight98 Жыл бұрын

Other Smash community fear?

@billystorm5347 Жыл бұрын

I dont mind the controller but stick jump is a pain if there is a way to fix this please help also any good beginner guides for 64 and brawl would be great

@carefulman3673 Жыл бұрын

Simply practice trying to not stick up with up tilts/ up airs, no different than melee. And as the video says, nateL's video are a great place to start.

@cagt3000 Жыл бұрын

There are also actual gameplay differences between stick jumps and c-button jumps in Smash 64, so ironically enough you'll eventually need to learn how to use Tap Jump. But like mentioned previously, practice is the best way to get the hang of it, and Nate L's guide is a great place to start!

@billystorm5347 Жыл бұрын

@@carefulman3673 so do you just do it slower or do you not hold up and use a different method

@lukaskai1234 Жыл бұрын

@@billystorm5347 you just have to do it slower. it's like when you try to do a smash attack. if you flick the controller up, you will do a stick jump, but if you move it upwards slowly and just a little bit above the center, the game will take it as you holding up and then you will be able to do uptilts by pressing A

@billystorm5347 Жыл бұрын

@@lukaskai1234 ok thank you so much

@benkesler487 Жыл бұрын

Another couple misconceptions I've seen are people saying Kirby is the best character, and entirely because of the uptilt. A lot of these myths were propagated by video "Smash 64 is broken", which is one of the most watched 64-related videos of all time, but unfortunately has a lot of misinformation

@cagt3000 Жыл бұрын

Yeah as funny as the video is for a good laugh, people took away the wrong ideas from it about 64, which sucks, but we're tryna fix those as best we can 😅

@benkesler487 Жыл бұрын

@@cagt3000 yeah looking back at the "Smash 64 is broken", I realized that it doesn't have as much misinformation as I thought, but I think it implied things people ran with

@rumblebird9888 Жыл бұрын

Why is Esam in the thumbnail?

@jtg15115 Ай бұрын

You sound like the guy from You Don't Know Jack

@evanpham1891 Жыл бұрын

Great video but worth noting you do not need to use tap jump. The C buttons are jump buttons. However, there is no c stick for arials.

@cagt3000 Жыл бұрын

That's actually incorrect - Stick Jump (Tap Jump) and C Button jumps have different properties, and each are very important to know how to use in competitive play. This is unique to 64 and not talked about often, so I understand why people tend to ask for Tap Jump to be removed, but it's needed for this game Having no C-Stick aerials afaik is common knowledge, given the N64 controller doesn't have a C-Stick

@evanpham1891 Жыл бұрын

@@cagt3000 I wasn’t proposing to remove tap jump I was saying it wasn’t the only way to jump so you don’t have to “use” it. I see how this could have been misinterpreted. I did not know that button and tap jump had different properties. What are some of the differences?

@gatorssbm Жыл бұрын

@@evanpham1891 He didnt elaborate but you can achieve different jump heights out of the traditional 2 with using the stick, Im not educated enough to know how much its used mid combo but its very useful for more precise/quick platform landing

@Dorriedude 10 ай бұрын

wrong, stick jump and c jumps have both different properties in terms of height, you can also adjust the +y value with a stick jump with the smallest value being which is +53 on the y value and the max being 80 so cjump with a character goes lower while stick jump is higher but you can adjust it using certain y values ot mix up but it's difficult, mixing them up during vs mode plays a big role with combos and defence play but take notice that during running, the height gets shorter for cjump and tap jump whereas standing is higher, you also cant't shorthop with stick jump there's also a 2-3 frame buffer for stick jump and it is not present with cjumping

@stupidw33b52 Жыл бұрын

couldn't have made this video any better

@KBorg64 Жыл бұрын

Good vid. 64 best

@HiImAiden Жыл бұрын

Aren't myth 1 and myth 4 just the same end point?

@buffbear7890 10 ай бұрын

Personally i can't get into it because lack of resources to improve, lack of players streaming it, nobody from my skill level, and lack of interest from local people i know since most people just stick to melee or ultimate. And if there is resources then they're too hidden because how are new players supposed to find info besides going on yt and searching for a character guide. Not to mention the fact that most people use the smash remix mod which requires a memory expansion pack, flash cart, and either retrotink or huge crt to play locally on a super old console. Emu will never feel as good as console because its going through usb and not straight to the console. Thankfully i already had this stuff and a steel stick and bowl from speedrunning so i didn't have to worry but for someone who doesn't it's an insane cost of entry. Not to mention you either have to travel variably far for tournaments hosting the game that have more than 2 players to play the game at all besides netplay. And yes the controller stick is really bad, borderline unusable for anything competitive unless it's total use time is under a month or 2. Steelstick, oudini or taostick is basically required to have any consistency in not brand new sticks.

@buffbear7890 10 ай бұрын

And I thought of writing this during the second myth of "controller is too bad" and since many of these were myths of new players

@jacobclement9085 Жыл бұрын

"smash 64 is hard to get into" smash melee: *laughs maniacally*

@SRM13 Жыл бұрын

64 is unironically harder to get into than melee

@jacobclement9085 Жыл бұрын

@@SRM13 why lol

@NightRaven5568 Жыл бұрын

@@jacobclement9085 Maybe due to lack of resources and mods melee has a lot of mods including 20xx

@Skantaq Жыл бұрын

may be late to comment for a response but I have a genuine question: what keeps 64 people playing vs Melee or even ult?

@randomnerdontheinternet967 Жыл бұрын

People keep playing it vs melee or ultimate because they genuinely find the game to be fun competitively. The movement, the way combos are created, some people just find it more fun than other smash games.

@technicallyafox Жыл бұрын

To make you ask questions

@GreenChillZone 7 ай бұрын

The same reason people still play Super Street Fighter II Turbo or King of Fighters '98. Because it's fun.