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Communism is a Foundation of Society

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overthinking

overthinking

Ай бұрын

Description:
Discover the surprising connection between capitalism and communism as anthropologist David Graeber reveals in his groundbreaking book, 'Debt: The First 5000 Years.' This video dives into the provocative idea that all economic systems, including capitalism, rest on a foundation of actually-existing communism. Unravel common misconceptions and explore how the principles of "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" underpin human sociability and efficiency.
📚 About the Book:
'Debt: The First 5000 Years' explores the history of debt, illustrating that debt predates money. This video focuses on a small, yet profound, segment of Graeber's work.
🔍 Key Topics:
The real definition of communism beyond political regimes.
Examples of communistic behaviors in everyday life.
How disasters reveal our innate tendency towards mutual aid and cooperation.
The role of "Catastrophe Compassion" in societal responses to crises.
The limits and paradoxes of communistic relations in maintaining social equality.
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David Graeber, Debt: The First 5000 Years, capitalism vs communism, economic systems, mutual aid, catastrophe compassion, social equality, political theories, anthropology, human sociability.
Join us in this eye-opening journey through history, sociology, and economics to understand why communism is more prevalent in our daily lives than we might think. Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful content!

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@kc10man
@kc10man Ай бұрын
Why did I get this video? Give me all your money and get in the salt mine right now!
@noahfrei3078
@noahfrei3078 Ай бұрын
I think what you highlighted at the end is very crucial. A gift based society functions on obligations. If you have received a gift from someone you are in a sort of debt to the gift donor. In a communist society you dont owe anything equal in value to anyone for receiving what you need (…“to each according to their need“). You only have to contribute as much as you can, not as much as was given to you like in a gift based society („to each according to their ability...“)
@pascalausensi9592
@pascalausensi9592 Ай бұрын
You shouldn't claim that communism isn't, or shouldn't be, associated with the "communist regimes" of the USSR and so on, and then constantly use the aesthetics of the Soviet Union. If you don't believe in what the soviets and similar believed, then don't use their words and symbols, otherwise people will (reasonably) think you're advocating for what they advocated. And if you do believe in similar things, then hiding it behind novel redefinitions is just clumsy sophistry. In this case, why not simply defend the idea that hierarchies are unnatural (which seems to be the main point of the video)? What's the use of going through so many hops redefining communism?
@0verthinking
@0verthinking Ай бұрын
Finally, constructive criticism! Let me answer your question first: the video is HEAVILY influenced by the book (Debt: The First 5000 Years) in which author underlines that the usage of term 'Communism' is PROVOCATIVE. So I decided to double down and use the aesthetics mentioned above. No, I don't identify as a communist, and yes, I believe hierarchy is forced and unnatural, but it's not the main point I was trying to make, but rather "our altruism and interdependence is the ultimate substance of social peace."
@pascalausensi9592
@pascalausensi9592 Ай бұрын
@@0verthinking Using the aesthetics is a problem because it's contradictory. In the sense that while the words of the video tells one that the common understanding of 'communism', particularly as something associated with the communist regimes, is wrong, the images continually force one to associate what's being said with the communist regimes (and the corresponding definition of communism). To the effect that when the video references communism the narration and images are using two different definitions of the term, and that's confusing, at best, and potentially offensive (see the other comments), at worst. It's also distracting, as in I literally failed to see your actual point, partly, I think, because the symbolism being used distracted me. And since it doesn't really add more to the provocative factor, as the exercise of redefining the word communism is provocative enough on its own, I honestly think you should drop the aesthetic.
@PyroNexus22
@PyroNexus22 28 күн бұрын
It's all semantics. You could just as well call it Anarchism. No ruler, egalitarian communal structure with mutual aid as the basis. I mean, Laozi talked about it in Daodejing, he never used these modern terms, and, in fact, I'd argue that, while they're similar in essence, what Laozi talked about was still not the exact same thing. Early Greek city-states weren't exactly the same either, despite being democratic. I'm from the eastern Caucasus, and my people used to have these, what Russians called, "free societies." Which was basically just self-governing villages, where elders were elected into administrative roles but held no real power. Essentially egalitarian (unless you count strict gender roles and age hierarchy). I think you're giving either too much or too little credit to the term "Communism" and whoever invented it. We might as well just call it "natural organization" or "primitive democracy" or something along those lines. What those French philosophers envisioned in the 18th century (or whenever it was) wasn't really just them reiterating what people have known for centuries. I think it was in some ways an arrogant assumption that they're inventing something entirely new, and in some ways it differed from that primitive democratic organization, by sort of being the same thing on steroids. I think because of this the title comes off a little clickbaity, and the way you phrased your argument loses most of the audience (definitely lost me) in like the first minute. And that's probably why you received this many dislikes. God, I hope KZfaq doesn't delete my long-ass comment.
@rufus8765
@rufus8765 Ай бұрын
Good video overthinking, unfortunitley Dunbar's number proves why communisim cant work in modern societies. but for small scale societies it absolutely can
@sarahlynn7807
@sarahlynn7807 Ай бұрын
Communism is when you throw out all the writing on communism to redefine it to a single catch phrase and use that to argue that all altruistic actions are communism. Communism is when the male black widow lets itself be eaten by the female, communism is when the lion decides not to eat the other lions cubs actually, communism is when mom makes you chicken nuggets. It's a joke to just take basic moral philosophy terms and concepts then scratch them out and replace them with your political belief and present it as the motte to your actual ideological bailey. This video is anti-informative. Everyone who has watched it, including me, is now dumber for it. This is so nonsensical that you could easily write an similar screed implying that all altruism is actually just capitalism as many capitalist bros have done for generations.
@PyroNexus22
@PyroNexus22 28 күн бұрын
Hey, if I told you that I think you're cool and asked you to hmu on Discord or Telegram or something, would it be creepy because you're a woman or gay because you're a dude?
@PyroNexus22
@PyroNexus22 28 күн бұрын
why does YT keep deleting my comments? jesus christ
@sarahlynn7807
@sarahlynn7807 28 күн бұрын
@@PyroNexus22 It's not youtube. It's the video creator. She deleted some of mine too. Seems she doesn't like being challenged on her under thinking video.
@PyroNexus22
@PyroNexus22 28 күн бұрын
@@sarahlynn7807 idk, the last one I left wasn't even challenging. I was just tryna talk to you. Do you have a discord?
@weaver03
@weaver03 Ай бұрын
word salad for "sometimes people are nice to each other" which supports no argument
@0verthinking
@0verthinking Ай бұрын
I'm afraid "sometimes people are nice to each other" doesn't summarise the point of the video. I would rather describe it like this: "Human sociability and interdependence is the ultimate substance of social peace."
@sarahlynn7807
@sarahlynn7807 Ай бұрын
@@0verthinking That's just even worse word salad that has even less to do with the catchy contention the video is built on.
@Bolão_Futurista
@Bolão_Futurista Ай бұрын
commuism is when people existed? 1:02
@007kingifrit
@007kingifrit Ай бұрын
seriously what a dishonest video "hand me the wrench" is not a communist statement, you are getting paid to do the work or you own the thing you are working on. what a narrow view.
@erdemaslan6011
@erdemaslan6011 Ай бұрын
Fernand Braudel is laughing at this
@skillfulsteak847
@skillfulsteak847 Ай бұрын
What an extreme redefining and pushing of definitions. You cannot redefine an ideology as a core human behaviour.
@0verthinking
@0verthinking Ай бұрын
hey, thanks for the comment! First, "the usage of the term is provocative" as indicated by the author of the book and underlined in the video. Second, it actually makes sense if you look at the term from the wider historic perspective. Term Communism started describing political and economic ideology quite recently, since 19th century with Marx's 'Communist Manifesto'. Before that, it used to be associated with egalitarian form of society, the idea of which can be traced back to The School of the Tillers also known as Agriculturalism, of ancient China (470BC) and Plato around the same time in Greece. What these movements had in common was challenging the privileges of the noble classes and the clergy, criticizing the institution of private property, and striving to create an egalitarian society. Thus, human relationship or society that operates on the principles of “from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.”
@nahnnan1265
@nahnnan1265 Ай бұрын
Like…. Greed is a human nature?
@NelsonGuedes
@NelsonGuedes Ай бұрын
You know that's exactly what capitalists do, right?
@sarahlynn7807
@sarahlynn7807 Ай бұрын
@@0verthinking Yes and the term Fascist derives from the Fasces which is just a an ancient Etruscan artistic representation of the concept of the enforcement of law, and since all societies have rules and parents can punish their children for putting their hand in the cookie jar we can see that fascism is just a fundamental part of our societies! You could even say that the moment human's ancestors stopped killing each other they were participating in a proto-unspoken form of fascism! So you see with this PROVOCATIVE new way of interpreting Fascism we can understand that we are all actually fascists, and it's the miss branding of governments in the 20th century who actually often created orderless areas during their wars were in fact not fascist, fascism was just the rules of the games of tag you played with your friends along the way all along! /s This is all you're doing. When you start redefining meaningful terms with long histories based on old etymology or slogans you're condensing and obfuscating the actual discussion on those terms to suite whatever white washing end you have in mind. This video is literally just uninformative whitewashing and your best defence for it is that it's PROVOCATIVE (lies are provocative too, it doesn't mean much) and that if you ignore the entire history of the term and twist some of its origins and squint you can almost define it as all altruistic human interactions.
@0verthinking
@0verthinking Ай бұрын
​@@sarahlynn7807 "the enforcement of law, and since all societies have rules and parents can punish their children for putting their hand in the cookie jar we can see that fascism is just a fundamental part of our societies!" is defined in the book by the term Hierarchy. Both are present in society, "we are communists with our friends and hierarchical with our children." concept of Fascism is also quite old, but it always put emphasis on militarism and racial purity. The political culture of the ancient Greek city state of Sparta under Lycurgus, for example. So the usage of the term Fascism instead of Hierarchy wouldn't be provocative, it would be wrong.
@UniqueArtsCostcoPicasso
@UniqueArtsCostcoPicasso Ай бұрын
I have not read this book that you are referencing, but it seems to be a relatively straightforward idea. In the past, of course and in many ways today we would call it altruism, neighborliness, Golden rule, or good old Christian 'love thy neighbor' stuff essentially. It seems the word communism was used largely for shock value, which I'm not inherently against but of course goes against the general understanding of the word Communism being associated with egregious human rights violations, which ultimately, using the definition you're mentioning, would be the opposite of "communism". I think that generally a hierarchy based on ability is a rather natural one. But hierarchies are almost always abused by those at the pinacle and sometimes by those at the bottom or in between. Both ends though are generally betraying that idea of neighborliness and since we are not at the point of changing human nature essentially all systems will fall short of their ideal as seen with Communism and Capitalism. So, could I say that the argument is essentially when people are altrusitic the world is better and when theyre not, it's worse? That's a rather simple argument but not one I disagree with. Let me know if I actually missed the point.
@0verthinking
@0verthinking Ай бұрын
hey, thanks for the comment and constructive criticism. I did not come up with the idea of calling human altruism and interdependence 'communism', the author of the book David Graeber did, but I chose to make video this way and I take the responsibility. Communism's association human rights violations it brought is quite new, and again, the Communism Regimes were calling themselves Socialists. The idea of communism dates back to 5th century BC, check the school of tillers, also called agriculturalists an early agrarian Chinese philosophy that advocated peasant utopian communalism and egalitarianism.
@bubbaliburtee8657
@bubbaliburtee8657 Ай бұрын
Letting women have opinions was such a stunning mistake that historians will deny it ever happened.
@sarahlynn7807
@sarahlynn7807 Ай бұрын
Her video may have been dumb, but you don't have to come here and prove you can be dumber.
@noahfrei3078
@noahfrei3078 Ай бұрын
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@PyroNexus22
@PyroNexus22 28 күн бұрын
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