What do you think of season 4?

I feel like even after season 4 the show wasn’t the same, it didn’t feel right, you know, without Magnitude

JIM RASH was the one who wrote the Troy and Abhed switch bodies episode! makes me think they should've used HIM more in the writers roo m!

my main problem with this season is their treatment of Abed. Abed is my favorite character in this show and I just couldn't take it.

everyone has a crush on troy ok britta get in line

Let me just say it: S01 Pierce is genius, like, Michael Scott genius.

I hate when people say Season 4 jumped the shark. They did that on an episode of Happy Days and it was the best episode of the show!

I've been rewatching Community lately, and I've noticed that Jeff actually does ask the group to focus on studying several times in different seasons, so I don't think it was out of character for him to do so in season 4.

I think Jeff telling the group to study actually makes sense. Jeff’s been wanting to graduate the whole season and wants to get the hell outta Greendale. Him telling the group to study so they can ace the History Test is totally in character. Other than that, I mostly agree with your arguments. Great video!

Honestly when i first watched the show, i didnt even realize that S4 was different, and after rewatching the show 3 more times, its still enjoyable to watch and laugh at

Honestly after the end of season 3 the new characterization of Jeff just kinda felt like natural character development

chevy actually left before they finished s4, they had enough of him to sprinkle him throughout the season, but thats part of why his role was minimal and he sometimes just wasn't there

Of course Jeff needed to study. He was one history credit away from graduating. He needed to pass that to get out and back to his day job.

As someone currently rewatching community, your critique of Jeff wanting to study isn't fair at all. He asks multiple times in season 1 to study, and he develops this want because of how his character developed at the end of episode 1.

I like the thought that Chevy "convinced" them to fire Dan Harmon as if he wasn't actively drunk on set

Annie playing house with imaginary Jeff is one of the most successful plots of s4 because of how well it shows each character's growth--more so Annie, bcuz she's at the center of it. It shows how she's still coping with/ trying to come out of her childish girly crushing, that there is actually a desire for something serious within that and set an excellent precedent for 'mature' Annie in season 5. And I don't care if Jeff is a horn dog. Annie is Jeff's friend and he wouldn't have leveraged a situation where Annie was into him for personal satisfaction because he not THAT shitty of a person AND more importantly because almost every time she does express interest or he's forced to confront his attraction to her he backs out of whatever fantasy he had (look at Christmas musical, calligraphy, etc) because he knows it's wrong, just like Annie's fantasy. They both represent potential ideals, but weaknesses they're both trying to grow out of. They demonstrate that in the most extreme way with darkest timeline jeff and Annie being a couple, the jeff-centric plot I see as kind of the flipside to the Annie plot in the hotel. Each season before worked towards it a bit but I think season 4 was the best season for exploring those two characters relationship specifically.

Jeffrey "This is the last credit I need to graduate and escape this hellscape school" Winger. Of course he wants to study.

The body swap being used for Troy to process his feelings about Britta (also being a man) was the right way to do it. Like you complained that the puppet episode was high concept without a deeper motivation to exist, but then shit on the body swap episode for doing just that, while also developing their relationship which you also said the rest of the season had been lacking. It even kind of points to the fact that their relationship was underwhelming and is part of why it had to end.

Didn’t Jeff ask everyone to shut up and study in one of the last episodes of season 3?? Am I wrong? It was for a biology test if I’m correct

I really thought this was a Cosmonaut video

Didn't Jeff also try to study for his chemistry exam during the Shirley sandwiches trial?

Very much disagree about the Freaky Friday episode. Thats basically my favorite episode of the show. And the Brita and Troy's relationship is need to make it work. Yea i said it. There's a season 4 episode that should be in most people's top 5.

I feel like the argument of Jeff actually studying is invalid. In Season 3 Episode 22, the first scene Jeff is trying to study while everyone leaves for something else. The reason behind Jeff trying to Study in season 4 and doing summer school is get his degree done as fast as possible so he can go back to bring a Lawyer. The reason he tried so hard to get all the Balls in the contest was because he needed a history credit and wanted to do it with the group. He wants to stay with the group but he also can rely on them. He feels that if he does some extra work at that moment, he can slack off for the rest of the year.

On my first watch of season 4, I didn't notice many changes until Pierce told Jeff that he should be kinder to Britta and I immediately thought WTF Pierce would never say that. On my second watch of season 4, many more errors become apparent though. In S1-3 of Community The "parodies" would play a part in the story being told, often the episode making a statement about the genre or movie it homages. The Hunger Games, Haunted House genre, Shawshank Redemption and Matrix are referenced in the stories but are never used well, they are shallow at best and pointless at worst. The audience is just told that Troy and Britta are now dating, we aren't even shown who asked out who and how. It is such an ackward reveal. Also, the season wastes so many good ideas. Jeff's Dad, Darkest Timeline and even Changnesia is a good idea (even if a little far-fetched) if executed well. BTW the fact that the show never jokes about how over used the amnesia trope is, is astounding.

A quick correction: You attributed Dan's firing before season 4 to the spat that he had with Chevy Chase at the start of the video. In actuality, Dan and Chevy are on good terms after that spat and I've never heard Dan attribute his firing to the feud. Instead, he has always maintained that the reason he was fired was because the show got dropped from a primetime time slot at CBS to a worse time slot, meaning that the show was expected to make less money and was more or less being put to pasture, and Dan kept trying to make the show as good as possible, which was running into money that they no longer expected to make. Rather than compromise and phone it in like the network asked, Dan kept giving it his all and eventually they fired him and replaced him with showrunners who were willing to do the bare minimum for a lower cost. He talks some about it here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m9CPlKmA07qUZJs.html

You can’t blame the state of Pearce in S4 on the writers. Chase just didn’t want to be there

I wish I could see Pierce like you do, for me any episode with him as a major focus was nothing but painful, except the video game episode I enjoyed him in that one instance. He's too mean spirited for me to find any charm in him, even early in the series.

Ehh your argument falls apart due to you basing it off that one sentence from Jeff. In season 3 Jeff tries to study while Shirley wants him to be her lawayer against Pierce. The whole idea of the episode is that Jeff says he is "new Jeff" they literally talk about it the entire episode. I don't like season 4 either but your premise doesn't make sense.

"Why is cultural sensitivity training on Christmas Day?" It's December 10th!

"New Jeff!" = "Steve Holt!"

I can't remember what the fuck happened in season 4, like it's literally blank to me

@13:37 some time before this episode, jeff has come to the realization that annie is too young and too decent for him, culminating with intro to political science where he calls her a kid. his reaction to annies season 4 advances are in line with the character growth established by the season 1-3 writing team.

Chevy Chase having creative differences with the director is such a Pierce thing to do lol

I really think the most damning episode of season four is heroic origins, because it's so clear they don't understand the root of the characters and don't really think about continuity or consistency. Troy's backstory was riddled with mistakes- his leg got broken instead of his shoulders dislocated, and faked the injury rather than hurting himself on purpose, like we're told in season 1. Plus him actually remembering Annie dismisses their development out of high school and makes Troy's insecurity seem far more shallow. Abed's backstory also doesn't fit with the narrative we were told in season one- heroic origins frames it as if he couldn't go to film school as a punishment, when the truth is that his father needed help with his family business and always thought Abed's obsession with TV and film exacerbated the animosity between the two. I could state issues with every single backstory we're shown, but I digress. These contradictions are all relatively minor, but speak to a greater misunderstanding of the characters that the season four writers have. We see so clearly in the episode that the motivations and mindset of the Greendale seven are lost on these writers, and it shines through in more subtle ways throughout the whole season. Great video! I always love hearing people talk about Comummunity on KZfaq

Season 4 feels like a fan fic of the show instead of an actual show where they just don’t really understand what makes the characters and the show magical

"This just isnt Jeff" ......bro.....have you ever watched a movie or show and noticed that sometimes the characters grow and change.........its called character development?????

I love that Jeff is your favourite character, I feel like oddly as the leading man he can be pretty underrated at times, with more focus being given to the quirkier characters, but Jeff is just brilliant as a not-really-a-straight-man straight man.

If I had to rank NBC sitcoms I would rank them 1. Parks and Rec 2. Community 3. Brooklyn 9-9 4. The Office 5. Friends

I disagree, but im too lazy to explain why

With the whole Jeff and Annie thing I would say that Jeff doesn’t view Annie as just another girl so I think that him not jumping on it straight away when he finds out that she’s into him is pretty realistic. Also it’s pretty clear that the age difference freaks them both out a bit despite them both clearly being into each other bat least at some points in the show. Don’t get me wrong I still think that story was stupid, Annie pretending to be married to Jeff is a bit weird and out of character in my opinion.

This entire season is basically like the time in Parks and Rec when Tom tries to pick up women in Ron's raccoon skin hat, completely missing why it works for Ron and not him.

the SpongeBob writers (season 1-3) would be fantastic for community

@4:02 "doable and passable" is from season 4--kind of undercuts the point. also, jeff almost always cares about studying after the pilot because he's trying to get out of there as soon as possible. remember "cellular...mitosis"?

Holy crap this video literally sums up my exact thoughts during and after I finished this season. Thank you so much

He’s trying to graduate so he doesn’t have to be at Greendale anymore. That’s the reason why he was so mad at Annie in Season 1. This isn’t out of character for him.

I think the only good thing they managed in season 4 (maybe a lil too hyperbolic) is how they handled Jeff's dad. Season 4 unironically handled it better than season 6 handled britta's parents.

it felt like annie should've been more mature by season 4. in "conventions of space and time" she should've already know that telling the truth was the best way to deescalate since in season 3's episode "foosball and nocturnal vigilantism" where she did a similar thing (lying about breaking abed's dvd) and kept escalating the situation to the point where she confesses, abed doesn't believe her since "she would've confessed before". season 4 annie just felt like season 2 annie which is odd since season 3 showed that annie was being more confident and generally becoming mature.

By season 2, Jeff was still very much interested in blow-off classes, but learned 'how to study' at the end of season 1 and became a more dutiful student after that. There was an entire episode, prior to season 4, in which Jeff's entire motivation is to study for a biology exam. *_"CELLULAR. MITOSIS."_*

Out of all the Leak Year analyses, this one is the most in-depth and is the most reasonably sound, unlike New Jeff

I agree with 99% of this but... "Pierce tries to better himself?" I don't think that's in his character at all in the series. Also the rich guy they try to lure to Greendale I actually liked. Sure, that plot went no where after that but in its own way it was a pretty community episode.

The worst part of season 4 is not misunderstanding of the characters and not the direction of the season but JEFF'S HAIR.

Mostly I agree with this, but a couple things: -Jeff telling the group to study could be plausible, for one of two reasons: 1. He has grown over the years, and has become more honest. Also, he really wants to graduate quickly, so it makes sense that he would say that. 2. (my favourite) He wants to stop Abed from going down the rabbit hole of analyzing the group's history, as it would not only annoy him and distract him from his test, but it would make him dredge up certain things from his past, such as, well, pretty much everything he has to end up talking about. Also, he literally did this in the finale of season 3 when Shirley asks him to help with her case, and he uses studying as an excuse. -I know that maybe it doesn't portray the characters accurately, but "Herstory of Dance" is so good! The confusion over Sophie B. Hawkins and Susan B. Anthony was pure gold. -I can't even believe I have to say this, but I really hope that when you said "post-season 3 Chang is the worst character ever", you meant that season 4 Chang was the worst character, because Chang in season 5 and especially 6 was amazing. His PowerPoint demonstration comes to mind, etc.

Yeah sorta valid points, but remember that scene where puppet Jeff tries to seduce the dean? Makes up for everything

I basically already knew from watching all the other community videos on KZfaq but I can’t help but watch every video I see where ppl are talking about community. I just love hearing people talk about it. It’s like a God complex but for a show

A tiny little thing I hated was that they didn’t explain why Shirley wanted to pull pranks with Anne in the first episode, she just does, which is very unlike the original writing of the show. She would’ve had some agenda that would be revealed at the end of the episode, but no, she just wants to pull a prank. Very strange and off putting

dont copy the cosmonaut variety hour thumbnail bruh

Had to turn this off immediately - Jeff wants to pass the test so he can actually graduate. That point is driven home repeatedly.

Physical Education Education was one of the only plotlines I really loved in this series, and the other B-plot of the episode with Jeff and Pierce at the barbershop is something I mostly enjoyed; however, I can't bring myself to watch the entire episode again because of how much I hate that "whale" plot.

I got my friend into Community last year and he couldn’t make it through the fourth season. He told me it was so bad to him that it made him kinda hate the first three seasons too on some level.

@9:35 anyone who has ever been in a relationship can appreciate how salient and evidentiary this scene is. also the takedown of "lets" and "splingles" is epic, and was something harmon never thought to do (he was likely too busy sexually harassing megan ganz)

Jeff has told the group to study multiple times

when I kept hearing them reffer to the gas leal. I thought I fell asleep and missed an episode or two at some point. It was kinda confusing

Idk about the jeff studying thing, he spent the whole season 3 finale trying to study

Ok but true fans know Abed was the REAL leader of the group.

Ever since it was revealed that the head of city college was making a robot I was really hoping that as some sort of finale of the show or something but nope. So I really do hope that if they make a movie that that is a main part of the movie because we need to know what will happen.

I think season 4 is not as horrible as people like to say, sure it wasn't as good as previous seasons but I don't believe it deserves as much hate

Problems with the video: - Reason for Dan Harmon being fired. - "Why is Jeff a Virgin?". Really, do I even have to go further to explain why that is not a criticism? - As pointed out by everyone who paid attention to the series, Jeff did want to pass and get out of there as fast as possible. So that criticism goes out of the window. - "Britta is an anarchist, she will never be in a relationship. Look at season 1" Bad argument, you just basically said: "I want this character to be exactly the same as from three years ago. Eeeww, character development *puke*." Now, your criticisms about these point would be valid if you made them about how it's done, not what is done. Like how the relationships between the characters are, mostly, ridiculous and inconsistent with the other seasons. So on those points, yeah, you were correct. I completely agree with what you said about Abed on this season. I see so many people neglect that, so props for that. I do think the 4th season is weak compared to the others but your reasoning is so weak for why that is.

I just finnished season 4 for a first time and omg, your analysis is so right. Thumbs up for good work

I'm on my very first watch of Community and S4E2 was my first alarm that things had changed drastically.

Personally my favorite episode of the show has to be Contemporary American Poultry. Although it’s not on the top of too many lists I think that it was a great twist on the mafia genre and helped to establish why the group needs Jeff. Also great vid!

Fan loyalty is a mental health condition that should be taken more seriously.

Honestly, the line you said doesn't really make much sense to me, even if you get a C, you still have to do a lot of studying. Also, him taking summer classes makes sense because it was established in season 3 that he wants to get out of greendale as quickly as possible. Jeff wanted to get out of greendale makes sense because hes hated it multiple times through the show. Its pretty rushed as development, but it still makes sense. Abed doesn't really seem to different, kinda just simplified in this season, but not too much. Shirley has always been a pretty simplified character in my eyes, but I could be wrong about that. Yeah, the writers dropped trow and shat on Pierce, no disagreements there. Troy is intact, agree with you there, along with Annie. Ian duncan didn't really show up in half of the episodes in season 3, don't really see why thats an issue seeing as though this is half the length of seasons 1-3. The Dean wasn't too bad, except for a wasted opportunity. Chang's sublot doesn't make much sense and is disappointing, but it not making much sense isn't too bad of an issue seeing as though everyone acted like coybows and trashed the school, and no one questioned it, and the way it ended for Chang was nice. It also has some of my favorite episodes, Heroic origins was pretty creative and is pretty sweet, the finale is well done and I personally LOVE it, and the christmas episode is one of the better episodes. It does have some of the bigger dissapointments in the series as a whole, but I like it, but hey thats just my take.

Community season 4 was a competently made sitcom. The problem was that the previous seasons were spectacular television that can't be recreated.

Loved this video! I personally think it's kinda in character to be non effected after realising "fuck my father, I dont care about him". Also the Troy and Britta relationship, 2/3 of my fav characters in a relationship, such a missed opportunity, could have been great development for both

Jeff "start a riot at a funeral because i have to take biology during summer" took summer classes?

"How hard can it be to write a Community episode? There, give Pierce something racist to say. No, more racister is more funnier." It's like fanfic

I didn't mind the new jeff arc. While being incredibly lazy Jeff did care about his friends so trying to get all the balls in the first episode of s4 wasn't totally out of character. Also I see it as him trying to make the best out of his last year at greendale so while mistakes were made I dont see him agreeing to everything as totally abnormal.

The gas leak season isn’t even worth talking about. No Dan Harmon, no Community.

How to watch community S1 S2 S3 Skip season 4 Skip half of season 5 Skip most of season 6

I can't even bring myself to watch 1 full episode from this season, it's too painful

I think the idea of Dean Pelton getting the gang to try to convince a wealthy dude to pump money into Greendale is honestly a great idea and it sounds like something that would've happened in Seasons 1-3. Shame no one was in character the entire episode. Like you're telling me ANNIE just goes along with it?! She would be the one attempting to tell the guy what's going on!

I tried to rewatch community during the pandemic and honestly it looks like it was shot for 50$ at a defunct community college in Modesto on a Nokia 5610

What Jeff goes through is what we call....character growth. Kinda obvious

For me, the most awkward part was when Jeff was faking a bad British accent. Jeff would either be good at accents or too smart to try faking one if he knew he was bad at it.

What i noticed is that episode 1 COMPLETLY destroys jeffs end of season 3 development

11:19 music name? great video so far, btw.

The alien doppelgängers comment was spot on. Without Dan, his show will not have the same heart.

There was a gas leak, can you blame them

What they did to Abed is horrendous because they treat him like how the writers of Girl Meets World treated Farkle when they suspected he was autistic.

I hear imaginary places playing in the back lol love that

You're editing is top tier gravy my friend

An amazing creator with just over 1k subs, yes please!

jeff insisting on having to study was also the season 3 grand finale though he's basically the only character who's had a clear-cut arc over the 3 years

I remember in 1x12 that Jeff wanted to study the Spanish mid term to get a passing grade

The thing I think that makes it different is that in the first 3 seasons every line could only be said by the specific character it’s written for, whereas in season 4 there are far too many lines that you could imagine anyone saying

at 3 minutes I was screaming at the screen "START THE VIDEO"

i havent checked other videos of this channel but i'm wondering about the best episode of community that got removed. seems like a huge deal but no one is talking about it

That's not why Dan Harmon got fired. It was for sexual harassment.

what songs are in the background??

that Danny DeVito picture is my wallpaper and I thought my PC was glitching when it popped up