A lot of people are saying this and the reason why is because in Classical music, you do not compress as much. Full dynamics are required and preserved, plus the chain is just more accurate than pop and rock (sadly). Jazz is in the middle, but a little more towards the classical sphere.

@@anadialog Full frequency cd length were based of classical beethoven last symphony 74 minutes and its full range yes? As long as engineer wasn't a loudness war label yes man, masters to copies could sound great on cd and vinyl I engineer at 92khz 24 bit master then copy to 44khz 16 bit cd 💿 and in car or home that 1978 format can't be beat imo I love analog vinyl too but much cheaper sell cds

*William Pearson's* comment is absolutely spot-on: it reflects my thoughts exactly that came to mind while watching this video. Classical music CDs often sound amazing, especially pieces of music for solo instruments, where you have an overwhelming feeling of realism, as if the musician and instrument were right there in the room.

used to think the same that badly overly compressed mastered music sound bad until i heard it in a really good sound system then it really sounded nice with almost no noticeable distortion then i realize my system was crap even though I put a lot of time tinkering by ear the only things that sounded good was music that has not been compressed so yeah most people will never understand this unless you have a good DAC and even then its hard to say if it sound correct if you don't have a clue what good sound is.

@@newdeep19 - Can you - or anyone else here - tell us about a very overly compressed recording of some music we're all very likely to be familiar with? Title of the song - and from which album? So what is the difference like? Maybe like hearing a very cheap version MP3 file? And is the difference great enough that we could even hear it on a fairly good car stereo system? Or only hear it with a killer set of loudspeakers inside your house?

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Needle never jumped a groove from over modulated cut on me after 15k hours in the dj booth. 20 years. Vinyl is better, still is. Always was. Even DSD512 doesn't sound as good. Millenials know this, old vinyl sounds warmer (their word for the harmonic richness that digital strips out) to them after hearing only ripped streams all of their lives. But I know the subject extremely well. Your position that measurements are everything is a religious belief.

There is the big elephant in the room though: Convenience. I could never go back to the old clumsy way of loading a CD just to hear one or two songs from it, the rest being usually garbage.

@@sammencia7945 Vinyl can be very good if you invest 20k to a turn table. But still it will only have a 65db S/N. Same applies to old reel-to-reel...

​@@sammencia7945 your subjective reasons are a religious belief.

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Exactly, I started buying CDs in 1986 and those still sound amazing, not any sound loss whatsoever. Basically, CDs if cared for properly are bound to last at minimum 50 to 100 years according to experts! I really doubt that vinyl will even approach such numbers in terms of longevity.

@@mansurkhan2764 Very obvious, Tape sounds better and very nice to the ear. The CD it hurts my ear.

specially the 80's polydor cd's !

I buy original greatest hits by artists on cd..the reissues of the last decade are horrible and overcompressed.

@@lionheartroar3104 It's true. Everytime I want to make myself a Madonna compilation on CD, I always prefer to use the album versions of her early albums released on CD in the 80's. Because when you listen to her latest double-CD compilation "Celebration" released on 2009, the sound is very powerful yes, but in comparision everything else sounds ridiculously weak sounding because it's not the old CDs that are weak sounding it's this 2009 compilation that is absurdly boosted with bass and drums so loud that it hurts your ears when you listen to it with headphones. So even if her early albums are not loud, I can always adjust the volume to those tracks, that's all I have to do and it's very easy but softwares like the shareware Goldwave these days. But with tracks on recent compilations, you've got a powerful sound, yes but a truthful and reasonably good sound, definitely NO ! Same goes for the Depeche Mode album "Music For The Masses" re-release where the track 9 "Nothing" hurts your ears as well when you listen to it with headphones. I'll always prefer to listen to the original 1987 CD release and boost it's volume with a software than to listen to it's re-release over-saturated sound ! At least that way all the treble is there. It's not obliterated by the bass and drums.

Only record execs could be stupid enough to make one of the best music formats sound the worst.

It's not just a label or year of production, you have to go on a case by case basis to find the best version of a CD. Some imports for example might be from a different master and not over compressed. However, I start with the oldest UPC code I can find. The older CDs might need some work if you do your own remasters like I do but at least they are not clipped or have all the dynamics squished out of them. Van Halen was the best example I found. The new CDs are trashed but the older CDs (even with low levels of gain) still contain all the dynamic range and can still be saved after you get them ripped to digital.

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Well mastered vinyl can also have good dynamic range. It's just that the vinyl and stylus medium is not capable of producing all the dynamic range that was recorded!

It’s intelligently dumbed down to 16 bit by using noise shaping. It’s brilliant, actually.

i stell use cds cause it very rare to found Cassettes and plus i dont have a record player and the vinys are very expensive plus i like using it on a movie player

The paradox!

Not weird at all. I still have all my vinyl (and a lot of vinyl from friends and relatives who - just like you - got rid of them when going to CD) and enjoy it, a lot. Lots of very good remastered re-issues nowadays and lots of new music on high quality vinyl as well. And I also have a lot of CD - and I am still buying. And don't rule out really good Minidisc recorders. I use a Tascam MD350 and the recordings sound great - still my personal audio go to.

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Durability? A bad enough scratch renders the whole thing useless

@@jackedkerouac4414 Well yes but compared to vinyl it's rock solid.

@@harrybergmans746 My old LP fallen to floor and by the way contacted with sharp metal - scratch is visible from 2 meters. And no any crack in listening - it is only surface damage. If scratch is done by cartridge it makes of course harm but only to place of damage. I cant imagine CD playable at all with such crack.. Purchased 1st Mahler Symphony Titan on LP - mostly silent music - LP made in 60ties. at begining all dirty LP almost only cracked. Now after accurate cleaning it sounds like new - it works.

But CD is generally less convenient, less durable and more expensive than streaming. However, it is less expensive than vinyl and more compact, is cheap to get great sound from and provides for the collector in us, and is a more tactile experience than streaming. A pure CD-based system is actually a pretty good idea. However, I’m highly invested in my two sources for vinyl and streaming so it’s time has passed for me.

​@@sensational_cellar8606 for audiophiles the CD was the last format that came with "active" listening. You had the physical cover art and liner notes to appreciate. We can sit here and discuss the sound quality and durability til our faces turn blue but the nostalgia of how we listened to cd music is a major factor in its resurgence. Not to mention actually owning that piece of music forever (well, almost)

I've seen others comment positively on classical music CDs. That is because for that genre there is particularl attention, hence a good recording and mastering.

If you listen to classical music try some analog mediums like LP to understand how GREAT and excellent are CDs!

Me too I have 700 of them

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.I like to listen LPs one by one in raw but after one CD I feel like enough. Seems to me that sopranos in CDs sound somewhat like normalized .

Yeah people confuse the format with the mastering.

@@WDeranged there is a limit how loud you can go on vinyl. But this m pretty sure you can brickwall Nyquist and still get it on vinyl.

Case in point- Dire Straits.

Not so true. Some mediocre, pop top ten, releases yes, but the majority is less compressed than CDs and digital audio in general. It is intrinsec in the vinyl mastering. Plus we have a lot of reissues based on analog sources, yes, mostly processes in digital but not compressed as in purely digital audio. The paradox is in fact that we have more dynamic vinyl than digital formats.

@@anadialog It's kind of sad, because CDs have more dynamic range than vinyl. CDs were being held back by vinyl. And when vinyl finally died the first time, we were into the loudness wars already. We had the change to finally use CDs to their fullest potential, and no one ever did. If the loudness wars had never happened, the 2000s could have been an era of music of unrivaled quality released on compact disc. Bun instead we got crap like Metallica's Death Magnetic.

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I account it to progress in modelling of the sound of speakers. Which are made deliberately to shine with digital players but show deep weaknesses with "normal" analog

I agree.

I agree. Among them there are so many excellent classical music labels such as Archiv, Deutsche Grammophon, PHILIPS, Harmonia Mundi, DHM (Deutsche Harmonia Mundi), DECCA, EMI, RCA, TELDEC, Alpha, and some others that their CDs sound absolutely fantastic. Against there are many many classical LPs, specifically LPs before 1980 that sounds bad or in some cases so bad! I think classical music is better or should be listen on CD. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

@@kamrankheradbeigi8754 The best classical CDs are recorded live using only two microphones from the 6th row seat position.

@@dreamdiction I don't know. I have no idea.

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So 1978 no loudness war cd 44.1khz 16 bit still the best in 2021? Nice.

CD is time saving format. But if one has high requirements it starts to be very expensive system with all that cabling, filtering separation of units and costly DACs , bit rates required which makes system puzzling and source of conflicting opinions. .

@@Mikexception 💿 then rip wav hard drive #1

@@rustymixer2886 Same thing. . I am wondering why CD in box is so bulky - ,more even than hundreds meters of magnetic tape and it's transport in cassette .Probably it's due to quick access to each bit.

My friend has had records for 60 years and he disagrees. The one he brought up is that he bought Night In Tunisia by Art Blakey when it came out in the early 60's and played it 5 times a week for months when it came out. Then slightly less after that but he still played it regularly. He estimates he played it over 500-600 times and there is very little to no sound degradation. The whole "you can only play it so many times" is a myth and only is true when you use a bad needle

It’s way more than just 200 plays.

@@Budd1234 Yep. If you use a good needle and take care of your LPs/EPs/singles they will live forever. I’m curious if the original commenter actually experienced that ‚serious wear‘ on one of his records. I must have played my first LP bought in 1987 to death on a cheap turntable and it still plays fine. Let’s wait for the first CDs to become unplayable though because their data is lost. I’m not sure if my first CDs bought in 1987 will still play in 30 years. So far though they still play fine too.

@@beetlebum7760 yeah exactly👍

Not DRM-encumbered indeed, CDs are the last good format that is not DRM-encumbered in my opinion.

What is DRM? Digital rights management?

@@jonpatrick66 exactly

@@net_news thanks 👍

@@fazlymawlarafi9331 DRM is there to stop theft, so in principal its good right?

Yes, that is number 1, but a bad mastering can kill even the most hi-fi of recordings

@Jingle Nuts In many cases the mastering engineers don't care, because those who make the music don't care. A lot of music out there isn't created for the soul, but for the money. And since those who listens to that kind of stuff for the most don't care about quality, and play it on cheap systems, then why bother? It's a question about getting it smacked together fast, so the cash can start rollin' in.

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How about thousands for a mediocre dac for cds, or files that getl lost that dont sound as good as cd, or sacds, or dsd streaming. Or files that you buy that gets lost. At least vinyl is cheap on ebat used. How about copying youtube free vinyl files to WAV that dont wear out like vinyl. So people think free isnt worth doing..

vinyl and tape have both beaten it

@@johnholmes912 For me, not. Compact disc is still the go-to format when I'm to buy a new album. I know my CDs will play and sound the same in 10-20 years from now, which I cannot promise for tapes and LPs.

@@johnholmes912 "vinyl and tape have both beaten it" No, they haven't. Reel to reel tape is the best analogue format, better than cassette, better than 8 track and better than records. Also, those records, mastered from the master as CDs.

The "record" in it's various iterations, has been around for over 130 years, beats CD's hands down in terms of longevity. What I don't like about CD's is the vulnerability of the medium. Ever heard of CD rot? I have 78RPM shellac discs that are over 100 years old, and I can still play them. Quite a few CD's I bought back in the 80's do not play any more. The underside disc surface has gotten cloudy and spotty. With digital files, it is all or nothing. You can have a crack in a record, but it's still playable. A chunk of the record may have broken off, but you can still play the remainder of the undamaged disc. Not so with CD's. Now for sound quality, nothing beats digital when properly mastered and produced from either original master tapes or more recent fully digital recordings..

Albums recorded in 1971 & before, were all recorded 100% with tube Analog recorders. Everything recorded in 1972 & after was recorded with digital transistors. All cds are recorded with digital transistors. The 1971 & before cds are partly vinyl recordings & part digital. Yes, older recordings on cds are part vinyl recordings. Some people discuss that cd is better than viyl, some cds are part vinyl. I would rather have 1971 & before recordings on cds, than new cds. I would rather have older recordings on cds , than 1972 & after transistor digital recordings on vinyl. There are still some people who record their new vinyl & cds with more expensive tube analod tape, like Kings Of Leon, & a few others. Most people like analog tube guitar amps, over digital transistor guitar amps. Most of todays digital cds have bands playing with analog tube amps, so most cds arent 100% digital. Many people like tube amps, or tube volume control on a transitor amp. Early seventies Sony & Pioneer had better hand wired with better parts transistor amps than today's integrated circuit amps that have to much wiring.

Great, thanks for the feedback!

Don't forget snuff audio

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Yes Japanese CD's & Vinyl sound amazing

I have Japanese vinyl which is awesome but I didn't realise that Japanese CD's are a "thing." I'll need to check it out as the humble Compact Disc is my favourite format.

Don't give up and make them truly LISTEN! :-)

Maybe your typical brick and mortar box stores. I'm finding all kinds of new and used CDs online. Thrift stores are great too.

Absolutely!

a good transport is an even better investment

Still remember Phillips coming out with the marketing crap "The perfect sound" Probably why all transports and DACs sound very different when its digital! CD ok for the car thats about it

The digital output of your player should be sending the same PCM frames if the error correction and decode works correctly so it’s really the DAC and amp that matter. Jitter in the reading of the disc should only matter if it’s above the readout rate of the buffer. The actual clock in your unit is more important than smoothness of the readout from the laser, but that’s part of what gets upgraded with the DAC, and thus still shouldn’t really matter how good they are in the CD player as you’re bypassing it. As long as the PCM is arriving a few frames early, your DAC has all the time it needs to use its stable clock and high quality path and all that. The only way your player could really be making it worse is if it’s getting a lot of partial reads that fail the error check but can’t be recovered, as it can “fudge” a PCM frame here and there if there’s dirt or other obstructions, such as if the laser diode is getting weak and getting partial reads. (Of course this can often be fixed by tuning them slightly brighter until they burn out altogether.)

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This is obviously an hyperbole. 5:50 remains my true and firm opinion.

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@E. O. It would.

@Jingle Nuts Yea I hear ya I think I read the 25k was 300 something bitrate mp3 and that was higher than most streaming so I based it off of that. Your file quality might vary so to say. But yea we are on the same page. You get it. Back when CDs came out that kind of HDD space was on heard of. Make your own steaming service for you and your friends and family. 2 dollar CDs on ebay.

@Jingle Nuts Thats just that. I am not trying to use CDs for the highest fidelity. Well not most of the time any way. I mean if I come across a MOFI or something. I think they fit into a more casual setting. More of a custom streaming library you control. With stuff you own and collect. I mean really we all like collection shit.

@Jingle Nuts Like I said.. Your quality will vary. But you see what I am saying.

@Jingle Nuts PS you have a good day Jingle Nuts.

Which format?. 16 bit and 44100Hz .wav file?. Or .FLAC file?. Lossy MP3, OGG, ACC?.

I hear ya! Long live tape!

Mp3 and Wav files are also over 25 years old and Wav is maybe more, and mp3 became popular in the late 1990s, and now they stream it more, etc...

Very correct! But we now at least got several good sized audiophile labels releasing proper vinyl versions like Speaker's Corner, Mobile Fidelity, Analogue Productions etc.A little research before buying vinyl, or CD, is needed, sadly, to get a good sounding option.

True Bjørnar!

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Records are the best looking media for the same reason that Laserdiscs and CEDs are the best looking visual media even though quality-wise they're both beaten handily by BluRay and HD MKVs, their physical size means more to work with on the packaging!

And yes, I remember records the first time round, they're *records* not vinyl!

@@GeoNeilUK They are both "records" and "vinyl." Not "vinyls."

@@fclefjefff4041 "They are both "records" and "vinyl." Not "vinyls."" Get the fuck off my lawn and go play round your own doors. 78s are records, 78s are generally not made of vinyl. 45s are also records, 45s are often made of polystyrene. Calling records vinyl is like calling cassette tape, ferric oxide (but not ferric oxides)

@@GeoNeilUK Okay Poindexter 😄

Great point one change like new speakers changes the whole reproduction

@@pointsbeingmade7996 The better system is, the more it is vulnerable for any done modification because it is able to detect slightest variations of timbre.

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Amen

Thanx to the damn shitty record companies !!

I concur. Records sound good and the have a certain asthetic appeal to them but Compact Discs sound better, have more dynamic range and less distortion.

@@freeman10000 I agree. I'll never understand people who think records sound better than CD. We just like them better.

Nice!

An audio equivalent of LaserDisc 😉

maybe if it had the anti-scratch coating of a bluray

Keep the CD size. Package at LP size.

@@zapazap That would be comical. I'd love a CD update that has Blu-ray coatings and durability as well as the latest bit-rot-protection. I guess you could make it the size of a 45 single, could be cool, but there's no point except for art size.

@@jon4715 45 size would still be manageable. :)

pcm? you have to introduce loads of distortion just to make it sound remotely musical

Yes. From time to time I put out my old CD player out of nostalgia, but I get tired of it very quickly. Hard to beat a music server and streaming. I use Roon, which IMO provides a far richer metadata experience than vinyl or CD notes.

Bought 4 CD's for car 2 months ago, 3 are already playing up and handled correctly.

But still, having turned to vinyl a little more than an year and realizing how fragile it is (scratches affecting the noiseless sound) you realize that all that nonsense of not touching the CD surface and holding it from the edges didn't matter. You still take care but a scratch on a CD from the center going straight outward is not going to affect the playback. There's also corrective algorithms in players that make up for damaged pits on the CDs.

As they sought economies of scale certain manufacturing plants made thinner label surfaces and other such things. They were the actual protection for the data, not the clear plastic, which could indeed be scratched pretty deeply without affecting it. But the label side was vulnerable. When it was printed thinner, only a small nick to the label can cause a skip or a dropout. Even where you don’t see the damage with the naked eye, sometimes there’s just a small gouge that reduces the thickness just enough to let some light spill out and disrupt the detection.

Albums recorded in 1971 & before, were all recorded 100% with tube Analog recorders. Everything recorded in 1972 & after was recorded with digital transistors. All cds are recorded with digital transistors. The 1971 & before cds are partly vinyl recordings & part digital. Yes, older recordings on cds are part vinyl recordings. Some people discuss that cd is better than viyl, some cds are part vinyl. I would rather have 1971 & before recordings on cds, than new cds. I would rather have older recordings on cds , than 1972 & after transistor digital recordings on vinyl. There are still some people who record their new vinyl & cds with more expensive tube analod tape, like Kings Of Leon, & a few others. Most people like analog tube guitar amps, over digital transistor guitar amps. Most of todays digital cds have bands playing with analog tube amps, so most cds arent 100% digital. Many people like tube amps, or tube volume control on a transitor amp. Early seventies Sony & Pioneer had better hand wired with better parts transistor amps than today's integrated circuit amps that have to much wiring.

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...and bad sounding vinyl pushed me to CDs back in '84!! ;)

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you can digitize your vinyls and burn them on CDs.

Yes I had the same problem, I got a CD player in 1983, because it was marketed as the future of music, no hiss pops and clicks. But after a number of years I became very disappointed with the sound of the CD and I gave up on music. Then about a year ago I bought a turntable, amplifier and speakers from eBay and I’m now listening to vinyl again.

@@net_news Correct, but sadly what you end up with is the flaws of both formats.

Against you, as a musician I strongly believe that LPs will never sound better than CDs. LPs are just a cool way of music listening. Just that!

too late, culture is too disposable nowadays.