Comparing Biochar Burn Methods, Why I Use Open Burns, Accessibility, Context, Conversion Efficiency

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SkillCult

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7 жыл бұрын

Why I use two open burn methods for making biochar, trench and brush piles, compared to others. Conversion efficiency, accessibility and considering context. Related links below.
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@davidthegood
@davidthegood 7 жыл бұрын
Open burns really are the way to go. I thought about biochar for a long time and looked at all kinds of systems that I really didn't feel like building... then started making big fires and spraying them with the hose. Now I have lots of char.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Zackly I have so much now that I have to build another bin or something. Or actually use some of it. Next is figuring out the crushing problem.
@asbjrnhansen8477
@asbjrnhansen8477 5 жыл бұрын
13:24
@charlescoker7752
@charlescoker7752 4 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult Did you figure out the crushing problem?
@pleasestandby5954
@pleasestandby5954 4 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult What about making a mangle to crush the char?
@pleasestandby5954
@pleasestandby5954 3 жыл бұрын
@hedge apple yeah that's not a bad idea
@BitsOfInterest
@BitsOfInterest Жыл бұрын
I like your style. I have a big brush pile (in a city) and I'll be burning it quick to charcoal with little effort. I paid someone once to cut down a tree and haul off the brush pile but that was $400. At the same time I was buying soil amendments and wood chips that I now make myself.
@BigWesLawns
@BigWesLawns Жыл бұрын
The first time I heard about biochar? I wasnt told very much about it. I was blown away at just hearing about the micropores for life to dwell in, and how a composter will fill the pores. Then I learned carbon/nitrogen balance and how it affects decomposition. Holy moly. What a rabbit hole! Now I find out, worms eat it for grit, and it comes out same as it went in, but it's now charged with wormy guts inoculated into it. Now I learn it lasts forever when I see a film called "Terra Preta" The Search for Eldorado. I literally went into a panic attack... I NEED THIS NOW ON MY LAWN. I NEED TO MAKE THIS. I made some, its installed. I saw a hag of high carbon biochar for sale, and it looks like good shit, so I am going to add more in the fall. I am gonna relax, study the effects of what I did, and make some really nice, perfect size crush, finished biochar. Day 3 and my lawn is darkening, bigtime.
@Slaughterk360
@Slaughterk360 7 жыл бұрын
Damn that's a great video!!! I was just sent here because essential craftsman said to Check you out . I'm excited to start watching more of your videos
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you, and welcome.
@johnjoehyland8149
@johnjoehyland8149 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advice I have loads of timber but could not afford to take the time that other methods need need Your right context is king
@dondobbs9302
@dondobbs9302 4 жыл бұрын
Nice. Thanks. I'm between rainfalls,stacking up a pile of brush now to try the open burn. I'm eyeing the back yard for doing the pit. Done the barrel method before to make grilling charcoal a lot of work. Thai style to make cooking charcoal is a big pit with carefully stacked wood then a mound built over it.
@koltoncrane3099
@koltoncrane3099 2 жыл бұрын
I liked how you mentioned the pyrolysis. I seen a guy make charcoal with that method and he also make pine tar by having a hole in the bottom of the barrel. So that’s kind of cool. Ya context and efficiency varies.
@motleydigger
@motleydigger Жыл бұрын
We used an old barbeque grill it had most of the bottom rusted out but the rest of it was great and its pretty large. So we dug a hole not just for the bottom having a large hole but to cover the side that let's air in to fan the fire to further close off air. It has a temperature gauge. So once it gets so hot (for the size and scale is around 700-800 degrees) we close it down. Check periodically either to add more or to dowse with water. It works for us. We did charge ours only because we have to plant in the bed after applying the char but I definitely agree with the concept of adding it and letting it sit for a year before planting in the char amended bed if you can. We just charged ours with fish hydrolyze, seaweed powder, moringa powder with some blood meal. I did add a little bit of fast acting sulfur because I dont want it to alkaline the soil. I'll probably add some molasses to help with the microbes after I apply it. If I didn't have to use the bed a few weeks later I would have probably only added the sulfur to the charge because like I said the soil I have if I add anything alkaline I run a risk of having too alkaline of soil. My ph is pretty good but it could be tipped over the edge pretty easily I found out that one good general rule of thumb as to if your biochar is done is by how easily the black wipes off your hands. If you have to use soap and water then many of the oils are still in the char.
@davidhurley2656
@davidhurley2656 6 жыл бұрын
Love your explaining the context. I've seen all these fancy methods, but it wasn't until a friend used the pit method last summer that I thought, "I can do this". Now planning a social gathering with a group of growers this sunday.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly, accessibility is the key for most people, not tweaking everything to be theoretically ideal.
@davidhurley2656
@davidhurley2656 6 жыл бұрын
We have a growers group of folks trying to help each other in using natural growing methods. I'm dsurprised by the relative lack of knowledge about biochar. Your videos may be very helpful resource for our group. Thank you.
@eachday9538
@eachday9538 7 жыл бұрын
I've tried scaled down versions of both the trench method and the TLUD method in a suburban backyard context. I found the trench method (in a large pot) probably produced more charcoal with less work because my TLUD tins are quite small and only gave quite fine stock long enough to char before the burn reached the bottom. Meanwhile, with the trench (pot) method, despite needing near constant attention, I could add bigger bits, prepare as I go, and tweek it as required. The problem was that the pot would occasionally flame out due to the burn not getting enough air in relation to the other burn factors and suddenly cause a real lot of smoke. I could get it to puff back into life again, with very little smoke, by blowing into it, but it could cause a problem with council and neighbours. For me an insulated retort with a super efficient rocket stove core would be a huge step up in practicality and suitability for the situation, especially if I could build a grill/oven/water heating capability into it. I am currently mostly burning bamboo cuttings from my old house. I am planning to plant bamboo again at my new place as a fuel forest/privacy screen.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Cool, thanks for reporting. My friend does a micro pit in his back yard and said it produced surprisingly little smoke. of course that depends on feed stock size and condition. There is a probably a size above which the extra heat in the container will keep things cranking along.
@uiop545
@uiop545 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing; ithumbs up for always thoroughly explaining your methods ....
@johnfitbyfaithnet
@johnfitbyfaithnet 3 жыл бұрын
Yes thank you so much
@Michael-vp4zt
@Michael-vp4zt 4 жыл бұрын
Great system in your situation. In my situation I'ld have the fire brigade at my door. A bucket works for me at present. Thanks for the viewpoint.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, context is king!
@billmccaffrey1977
@billmccaffrey1977 5 жыл бұрын
Getting it done is 90% optimization is 10% when you are solving two problems: managing large amount of brush; making a use product from that brush.
@daveh4106
@daveh4106 7 жыл бұрын
I'll add this to the list of things to do after I get the scotch broom and himalayan blackberries under control and can finally get to select thinning and limbing up the trees I want to keep. It looks like a good way to deal with the residue, help the garden and the carbon equation.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, perfect! Just use it in concentration rather than spreading it thinnly around.
@tommymckiddy7872
@tommymckiddy7872 4 жыл бұрын
Good video. I think your approach is the right why to go. No bullshit, simple, plentiful fuel, it's a good way to go for someone in your position.
@ts694
@ts694 7 жыл бұрын
I'm with you. It just boils down to volume units of charcoal per units of time. I burned a huge pile last month in about 4 hours while parenting a 3 yr old. I've used the charcoal for a whole bunch of things and still have LOTS left. Without your simple methods, I never would have gotten around to it. Almost all of our food is grown, collected, hunted, or fished by our family, so there is very little time for fiddling around with contraptions that produce a small return per unit effort. Thanks
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Yep, context! Glad to hear you're in production. More time fishing and hunting and foraging is more better!
@chasegerlach
@chasegerlach 2 жыл бұрын
I had to reply to your comment because I just did the trench method for the first time yesterday while also taking care of a 3 year old! Fun times!
@ts694
@ts694 2 жыл бұрын
@@chasegerlach sweet! Go parents!
@kamaartaliaferro6238
@kamaartaliaferro6238 6 жыл бұрын
It's good to review this. I had to check myself after I got a quick smackdown on a popular blog for linking to your videos on the trench pit system. What I found from the science is that open pit burns produce charcoal with significantly more surface area but less carbon that TLUD, pyrolitic systems or earthen mounds. But, the most important part of the process is to inoculate the charcoal, that's where we see awesomeness happening.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
My best biochar bed was not inoculated at all. I think over time it happens anyway. Either way, I can't argue with the results. I have a newer video on some general biochar issues where I talk briefly about why I don't inoculate my char. I'm not in any way against it, but I suspect what I do instead is nearly as good, or that it will adjust over a few growing seasons. I do usually add forest duff though, so that is full of microbes. I also use compost teas and old urine a lot, so that is like adding the same type of stuff on yearly basis.
@kamaartaliaferro6238
@kamaartaliaferro6238 6 жыл бұрын
Plants are going to attract the microorganisms they're most interested in, those MOs are likely to colonize the char. Boom, landrace-biochar. The process makes sense to me, especially for lively soils. If I can make more char it's worth an experiment. That was a bland-ass statement I made, yuck. The charcoal I make gets added to active vermicompost bins and then forgotten until there's seeds that need starting. In that way it's easy to inoculate rawchar, and it becomes an extremely valuable resource for me. It saves me a lotta money every year, and it grows seedlings larger, more quickly, and they appear to suffer less transplant shock. I have yet to reach a point where there's too much charcoal in the vermicompost--this year I used crushed* charcoal as the bedding for the worms, so we'll see what happens.
@BryceGarling
@BryceGarling 6 жыл бұрын
I like seeing what others do. I have tried several ways and in my humidity it was very hard it was hard and getting supplies took resources I don't have. The ground, a shovel, and some sticks and wood is what I have. My method is far quicker. I can have a pit of charcoal and have it in the garden in about an hour. I don't mind the ash because I use ash as well in the garden. I burn mine from the bottom. I make a grill out of sticks and cover the pit. I pile everything on top and light it off. In seconds it is a giant blow torch. The grill burns away allowing everything to fall in the pit at once. As it collapses I do one final batch on top and let it cook then I water it down. Process often takes 30 to 40 minutes it gets so hot and chars that quick. I made around 60 gallons today. Since I am doing an agroforestry type project I will go in the forest tomorrow to collect organic material and mix it with the charcoal then use it as top dressing in the spring.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
That sounds great. I use ash too, but I already produce a lot from my woodstove, so less is better, but I don't worry about it too much. When you have a lot of wood, high efficiency is less of a concern. Thanks for commenting :)
@emlillthings7914
@emlillthings7914 7 жыл бұрын
I ended up using the pit a lot for the exact reasons you mentioned. I've also 'TLUD'ed several pyres in various ways, and while I do prefer the pit, it's not always feasible either (and I've tried to improvise a hybrid TLUD+pit,, both outdoors, and in the stove.. I was really surprised how much coal I could make with just a few adjustments to how I operate the stove). I am gonna try to cover a few points on the methods in cold regions, with snowy/wet brush, but they are sure winners as I am going conceptually(and contextually) with the same mindset on this. Btw; what you mentioned about having to fire up several pits, is why I like to make em' big. I see 3-4 hours x5, or 5-6 hours x1, for the same amount, since larger pit, more temperature, faster conversion. (not accounting for quenching-time though, which can vary somewhat unpredictably). Also, when you have a large pit, you can comfortably throw in even the bushiest ones (or throw in entire small trees and crowns), which save a lot of time+effort. However, pit of that size is only justified if there's a lot of brush nearby. Might as well fire a stack if the brush has to be dragged any significant distance. and yes! I also dig those methods because they enabled me to get a real production-rate going. I do have another thing in mind which may be interesting, but I need to run some tests first.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Cool, I'll look foward to what you come up with. While editing, I started to question whether a TLUD could be run with vertical sticks packed tightly. I need to build a basic one and play around with it. I have the barrels. There is also the fact that you have to get the pit going in the first place. But, then again, I keep finding myself being ready to go do something else after 2 or more hours. I was planning to fill the pit all the way this morning, but ended up bailing out at a similar amount to the one in this video, about 90 gallons. I think you're right though, there is an efficiency factor to burning more at once, of if the material was really easy to handle and already prepared, just run two of these at the same time.
@emlillthings7914
@emlillthings7914 7 жыл бұрын
I tried a vertical pacing on a very small TLUD of perforated can, so a barrel will probably work well. As long as you allow O2 to come from the bottom, it should eventually collapse, though you might need to poke in it. Sidenote: You've mentioned that you often find the TLUD-brushstack possibly collapsing too fast. I found out it's way better than too slow. Perfect matchstick, especially if helped along with straight logs, will have the wood(+coal) burn itself out before collapsing. In other words, structural durability is a waste of effort imo. Go for expedient destruction :P
@melissabrown5320
@melissabrown5320 4 жыл бұрын
I normally just spread soil amendments on the surface and let them get worked in whenever I disc. What's the reason for burying biochar a foot deep compared to something like what I normally do with other amendments?
@demagmusic
@demagmusic 7 жыл бұрын
I'm with ya! I dug up some charcoal from my burn pit today. I added a considerable amount of it to my compost pile to inoculate. I also added some as an amendment to the soil in the raspberry patch that I'm expanding / taming. Like you, I do open burns; mainly due to the enormous amount of brush I gather from the property. It would take too long to retort all of it, for example
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's hard enough to get it done by the easiest methods with other stuff to do.
@songweaver6076
@songweaver6076 7 жыл бұрын
I dig yer style!
@benbush7838
@benbush7838 7 жыл бұрын
Just wondering if the quenching process is ever used to 'charge the charcoal' where the pit burn is utilised? I was in New Zealand a few years back and this guy had made a steel cone that he loaded and burned from the top down with a small opening in the bottom to allow air in from below via a shut off valve. When it was time to quench he attached a hose to the valve and quenched from below using either his own urine (collected) or weed tea, or manure tea. I collect all the charcoal from our wood heater in the house, and put it into buckets with water from our ducks bath. good stinky stuff. I'm new to the bio char stuff but a few folks told me over time that charging the charcoal up with a liquid full of nutrients before putting it into the soil means that micro organisms get straight in there.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not opposed to pre-charging, but I don't do it for reasons I'll go over thoroughly if I get to doing the video I want to do on that. Short version is that it's all just theory about the microbe pre-charging and if you can do it in the open air under conditions that are different than the ones the microbes will live in, why not in the soil under the conditions that they will live in? Nutrient sinking is definitely an issue (with nitrogen for sure, not sure what else), but that also can be taken care of when the char is dug in by adding extra. Quenching takes a HUGE amount of water. It's truly shocking. If the container were sealed and could be filled with water, it would be different, but in the ground you'd probably lose a lot of the fertilizer into the earth below and that with no guarantee that the stuff was really getting charged well. Ideal scenario, you have a sealed burn unit and can basically fill it with nutriment rich water and let it sit, then you have a bunch of stinky water to handle afterward, not to mention before. Since I've never done it, I can't compare results between burying raw char with extra fertilizer and burying pre-charged char, but that wouldn't tell me much anyway. The conditions under which the char is stored until use and exactly what it's charged with are not very controllable in real life and shouldn't need to be. I've been getting away with just adding stuff as I bury the char and it seems to work. It's a lot less work and thought and planning since I'm already handling and spreading the char. At least in my scenario. If I did any kind of precharging, I'd probably be trying to store the stuff carefully until use to keep it growing and happy, but I don't have to do that or anything really. Keep it simple I say. When I have some kind of workflow that makes it convenient to pre-charge/inoculate, I might start, but for now I don't see the percentage in it. What I think is worth considering though is setting up experiments burying raw char like I did the first bed I ever put together. Now it's hard to argue with the results from the angle that it might be the extra nutrients, though that really doesn't fly 4 years later anyway, try telling that to someone that isn't a gardener. We can still add nutrients from the top, but evenly over the bed and any control sections. Whatever we do, everything is going to change and seek some sort of equilibrium underground. Too much to say! I'll go work on that video project and blog post now...
@brianwhite9555
@brianwhite9555 5 жыл бұрын
Am I too late for this party? :) Context, definitely! Didn't know that soft and hard charcoal could be made, just assumed it was all fairly equal. But would soft or hard matter if the microscopic structure was the same, behaved the same way in the soil? For your context(setting & resources), the trench method looks like a good way to go. For my urban context, the retort method is best. I use an old perforated drum from a washing machine as a burn barrel. I use old cookie tins as the retort chambers, filling them with wood chips, pine cones, or whatever. Three 1/8" holes are poked in the snug fitting lids. I build a fire in the burn barrel, load three small tins on top of the fire, then wait for all gases escaping from the tins to burn off. After removing from the fire, the tins are allowed to cool for 20-30 minutes. If the lids are removed while the charcoal is still quite hot, the sudden inflow of fresh air could cause the charcoal to burn, and turn to ash. I simply crush the charcoal down to pea size, then mix into my compost pile. Hopefully this helps to charge(inoculate) the charcoal. The compost is used in raised beds and planting holes. I haven't been making charcoal long enough to notice a difference in plant growth, but imagine it doesn't hurt anything. At least I'm sequestering some carbon. Keep in mind that any wood ash(potash) you produce can be put to good use in the garden as well. Excerpt from: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potash "The old method of making potassium carbonate (K 2CO 3) was by collecting or producing wood ash (an occupation carried out by ash burners), leaching the ashes and then evaporating the resulting solution in large iron pots, leaving a white residue called pot ash.[5] Approximately 10% by weight of common wood ash can be recovered as pot ash."
@Leeofthestorm
@Leeofthestorm 6 жыл бұрын
I've watched a bunch of your biochar stuff this week. Thanks for putting your angle on this out there. I think your information is highly valuable. I wonder if the 'softer' char that you get will last as long in the soil as harder char. Perhaps it is more likely to become available to combine with nitrogen, thus breaking the char down to soil. Either way, it will break down into, or produce habitats for the things that will make, amazing humus. Just brainstorming out loud/in print. Do you figure that your char is 'softer' because it is not burned as hot as a TLUD or Retort, or becaue there are maybe a lot of volatiles left in it? I use a ridiculous little retort that produces an embarrassingly small amount of char. That said, my char particles clink against each other; I think this is because it is so hard. I notice that your softer stuff does not clink, or maybe it's because you have doused it with water so it doesn't clink. Not sure. As for the amount of ash you are getting, I think that a retort is not much more efficient, if at all. To get that amount of char in my retort would require a sh*t ton of wood burned to ash on the outside of the gasification/pyrolizing chamber. I think your system is very efficient. Steel drums also have a carbon footprint, as does the power used to drill holes or cut steel. Anyway, I think that you are bang on with your comments in this video. Context is, indeed, everything. You nailed it. I would sooner try out your method and then manufacture an efficient crusher with my metal working than to attempt to scale up/ my retort system. Kudos. Oh and I shared your youtube vid on Early Colonial and European biochar to the peeps lurking in the biochar forum { permies.com/f/190/biochar} at permies.com. Not sure if you go there, but there are a lot of biochar enthusiasts on there. The focus in the site seems to be more towards hugulkultur though. I get the feeling from your videos that you prefer the longevity of char based humus to that of rotten wood. On that topic, I would say that unless you have absolute sh*t tons of rotten wood, It might be better to throw some of the really rotten stuff in your biochar catch pits, then to burn it. Not sure. I would think that the fungal interface might be enhanced by including some of this, but I may be wrong. As for those catch pits, I have the sneaking suspicion that using larger chunk char in the bottom layers is not going to have any negative effect. The amount of inoculating nutrient rich crap you are throwing at it in that video is super rich; I figure it will get absorbed into the char regardless of you spending a ton of time and energy breaking it up into tiny bits. The bacteria and fungi will populate it and the plant roots will break it up over time.
@Rattlerjake1
@Rattlerjake1 4 жыл бұрын
This is NOT biochar he is making, it is simply burnt wood! This "burnt wood" that he is making will eventually decay and completely break down over time, char/charcoal will NOT! The reason that true biochar is so time consuming is because you must pack the container completely to displace all possible air and use all available space, and the container will not allow COMBUSTION to occur but instead PYROLYSIS occurs. When making char or charcoal the wood is "cooked" with NO oxygen and under constant heat until all that is left is a non-decomposable carbon-based material. Biochar - "The solid material obtained from the thermochemical conversion of biomass in an oxygen-limited environment". Pyrolysis - "The chemical decomposition of organic (carbon -based) materials through the application of heat. Pyrolysis, which is also the first step in gasification and combustion, occurs in the absence or near absence of oxygen, and it is thus distinct from combustion (burning), which can take place only if sufficient oxygen is present. Wake up people, this is NOT biochar. People who take shortcuts are NOT doing it right!
@codyhaynes0
@codyhaynes0 7 жыл бұрын
as for the sequestering bit, ive seen wood chunkers running on woodgas. so theyre making biochar as they are sizing down wood to fit into a wood gas fuel system. sorta silly but pretty pretty practical.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
I think that's great and that is where commercial and large production is headed as well as things like electricity production from the heat produced. But who can actually get that together, take the time to design it, pay for welding and materials and machines etc.? I think that kind of work is awesome and super important, but my view is more about getting normal folks up and running with a shovel and a hose.
@Cosimate
@Cosimate 7 жыл бұрын
With your barrels you have when you do, do a retort system the most efficient for hard charcoal for me is a rocket stove retort barrel. Having several of those setup is pretty good, but when I'm logging I do the same fields methods you do to produce the soft.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Cool, I'll check it out if I do that ever. Thanks.
@Schaph
@Schaph 7 жыл бұрын
Just did a quick search on TLUDs. Seems you can turn one of your vertical open pile into a TLUDs relatively easily by corralling the pile with some sheet metal. Not sure if it'll be worth the effort, but maybe something to experiment on?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
sounds interesting. If you have any links, I'll check them out.
@andreagolden4001
@andreagolden4001 6 жыл бұрын
Looking at the trenches, they look like great starter beds... has anyone tried establishing new garden beds by burning brush in a trench and just piling soil and mulch on top? Or would that be way too much biochar quantity?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
I've burned in the trenches that I later bury char in. I think there is potential for that to develop into some kind of system. Unless I'm burning in the trench occasionally as it's filled, I take the char out so I can mix it more evenly into the soil though. I think it's okay to burn in there though. It might be wise to break up the sides of the pit a little after burning in some cases, to make sure it's not creating a hard pan layer, but any charred clay is probably a bonus. Burnt clay has been used similarly as a soil amendment.
@willowgrovehomestead5885
@willowgrovehomestead5885 6 жыл бұрын
What if mixed you pit method with a hugelkultur method? Once you have burned it instead of watering it down just add more wood then smother the fire with a layer of dirt then add grass and other compost materials then top it off with more dirt to make a nice raised bed.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Definitely thought of stuff like that. I've written about it on my blog and have at least one video. I think it's a great idea and could very well be how some of the anthropogenic soils were built. I've done more like a pit, and then burn a layer or add charcoal, then add other stuff, then add more charcoal or a burn layer and so on till it's filled up. But shallower trenches could work. I like to get it deep though. I could do a whole video on ideas around that. I like my catch pits for now in my climate. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pr94l6ahz52lfnU.html
@brewski118sempire
@brewski118sempire 7 жыл бұрын
Just thinking out loud here. Not sure if you have a "fast" moving body of water near you, but would it be worth your while to make a water powered ball-mill to get charcoal powder?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
We don't have that much water except after heavy rains. Wind might be better, even though it's not very windy. I'm thinking of something that would just turn very slowly whenever there was a little wind. Regardless, I could do all kinds of things given time/energy and or money. What we need the most is very accessible methods that almost anyone could throw together. I've been thinking about it. Most of my ideas are centered around the ball mill concept.
@smittys19daytona
@smittys19daytona 6 жыл бұрын
I also have been getting the barrels together trying to make time to make the torte. Then burned a big pile of brush at my folks place , I kept stacking , not thinking with this concept i let it burn down 24 hrs later went to check on it realized there was still a ton of coal burning so hosed it down and was so surprised I ended up with 30 plus gallons and now it's getting inoculated . What your saying makes total sense we have too much slash to put it all in barrels, thanks..
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's really just so easy as long as one isn't too caught up on oxygen exposure or conversion efficiency.
@Shane_O.5158
@Shane_O.5158 3 жыл бұрын
EDIT: never mind, i found the answers here, in you newer video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNmmdZdjx87HoXk.html what do you do after making biochar ? do you crush it into smaller pieces like no bigger than 1/4 inch, or 1/16th inch, and how do you bury it ? besides 12 inches deep, do you mix it with soil, or make it like a thick layer? p.s. i made a steel drum burner that recycles woodgas, i couldn't get the gas to stay alight without having a small fire burning under it all the time , it used more wood than i had in the drum and it dripped black tar.
@scottcomella2264
@scottcomella2264 7 жыл бұрын
I like the retort method for commercial application. It seems you would get a uniform product and could harness the energy. However, on a farm and permaculture stand point I feel your method is simple and easy.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Because I have so much material and can expand, I could definitely see a retort in the future, especially re: utilizing heat produced. Also, with a little infrastructure, and a sized up retort that can fit something like 4 to 6 foot lengths, cutting, loading and burning wouldn't be an issue like loading a small retort over and over again would be. Another advantage of the retort is less maintenance once it's loaded since the char can't really over burn in the absence of oxygen. But for now, the size I could pull off building (if any) would require a lot of loads and operating time to accumulate 90 to 100 gallons of char. Also, if I'm not utilizing the heat there are still a lot of questions about conversion efficiency and char quality. And, those aren't burning questions since this is functioning fine. So, like you said, this fits my needs and resources now and has me operating on a relatively large scale with no fuss. I think open burns will probably remain the best fit for a lot of smallholders.
@rodolforodriguez4540
@rodolforodriguez4540 Жыл бұрын
I injoy it thanks
@308dad8
@308dad8 2 жыл бұрын
I have tried using a kiln. I made it from a paint can and filled it with all the poplar I could fit inside it. Very resource expensive method. I wasn’t solving a disposal problem like you are, I was just experimenting. I would like to see how the pit makes you charcoal and if you’re able to stop the burn and have it dry enough to cook over too or if charcoal production is solely for soil amendments. Also, I thought hardwood ash was good for the soil. If that’s the case is it a waste at all that every method produces ash?
@pauldrowns7270
@pauldrowns7270 7 жыл бұрын
Have you done anything on application of final product?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
No, I've just mentioned the way I've used it for experiments, but a video on ideas for application and experiments I think are interesting using differing amounts to different depths is on the agenda. For now, the main thing is to concentrate it in specific areas because there is going to be a minimum amount to see significant results. I'd apply at least 5% even in very small areas as necessary. more area can always be added. If you produce 100 gallons and spread it over a large garden the effect will be lost, at least a noticeable effect.
@brainwright9713
@brainwright9713 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe if you had a grove of coppiced trees, you could go for these ideal methods. I think you've got a pretty good method going there. You'd have to do a good deal of engineering, both in building machines and grooming your woodstock, to get more ideal burns. That's getting more into preparing the way for your children.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
I'd like to refine the thing, use the energy for something, get a high conversion ratio, build devices and machines, but in context that ain't happenin right now. I'm also not sure till I do it if the cost will outweigh the benefits. I can also wait around for other people to solve those problems and serve them to me :)
@brainwright9713
@brainwright9713 7 жыл бұрын
You've got a good thing going. I say don't put too much more effort into productivity unless someone will pay you for it. A project is going to be a team effort at some point, and team effort is measured in dollars (or gifts). Too often we're expected to be a cog in some scientific machine, but that kind of scientific idealism has killed enough people this century. Until someone pays you to do otherwise, solve your own problems, and never do business with anyone who wants you to solve their problems by yourself.
@stevesoutdoorworld2248
@stevesoutdoorworld2248 7 жыл бұрын
i would like to do what you are doing but will have to wait cause of burn ban.we got fires all over not good.will try your trick later.thanks S.D.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm running out of burn season here. Just a couple more weeks or so.
@richardmccann4815
@richardmccann4815 2 жыл бұрын
A possibility would be a split grate to support the burning, char falls thru onto a metal sheet to finish burning and heat the fire, and can be swept off to quench? Nice video, appreciate your thorough teaching!
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 2 жыл бұрын
I dont' see how that would actually work, but the idea of a continuous feed system is certainly intriguing. Seems challenging.
@richardmccann4815
@richardmccann4815 2 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult Yes, one really should capture the waste heat, too! Perhaps a heavy masonry wall or pit that could retain the heat and radiate it thru to a building or living space.
@CarbonConscious
@CarbonConscious 7 жыл бұрын
6:30 minutes in now, retorts only make sense with a BioCharlie (I made my own from stainless steel stovepipe) like device in a fireplace that you are burning anyway to warm the house, just too turn that whole process a bit more 'green'. Or with a super advanced system like the guys at Living Web Farms run where they have 3 large retorts going and use the heat of one to get the second one going and then just run all 3 after one and other continuously using the heat for greenhouses.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I can see lots of possibilities with the retorts and various devices and utilizing gasses and heat etc, but most are beyond the average gardener. I hope to have some stuff set up here eventually to utilize at least heat for water, greenhouses or whatever. Maybe there could be wood stoves that are designed as retort/afterburners in the first place where you charge two separate chambers that are optimized somewhat for ratios of fuel and char stock. They should come with a grinder though lol. I know about the biocharlie concept, but haven't used it, although I've used the same concept for refining lamp black. It seems useful for a lot of people. It would be cool to make those and just hand them out to gardeners with a little booklet explaining now to use it, how to use biochar and be a citizen experimenter, history and all that. That would be a great crowdfunding project. The more I do this and interact with people, the less I think about conversion efficiency and more about just getting someone to take those first baby steps. Even for myself, I've realized how much other things often eclipse conversion efficiency. I still tend to think within my own context though, like we all do.
@zombiefighterof1987
@zombiefighterof1987 7 жыл бұрын
On an off note, how's the Husqvarna ax coming along? Any progress on it?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
It's shelved. I'm pretty good at starting axe projects and then getting distracted lol. It's on the small side for firewood processing, so it got over run during the firewood season. Hopefully I'll get back to it this summer.
@zombiefighterof1987
@zombiefighterof1987 7 жыл бұрын
Well on that topic, i'm rehanging my Husqy ax on a store bought beech handle (yeah yeah i know beech isn't great but for 2,02€ it's a great deal) and the one problem i have is they don't come with a wedge slot, so how would i go about keeping the cut straight? Every time i go to make a cut on these handles the cut looks ugly as hell since there's a few shallow off center cuts.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that is just practice and a decent saw. If you're using something like a folding saw, it's probably going to be hard to keep it straight. Borrow any kind of carpenters saw if you can and let the saw cut without forcing it, even if it takes a long time. Don't know what else to tell ya.
@daleo2536
@daleo2536 3 жыл бұрын
I use open burn. I figure the south americans wernt using retort kilns back it the day and it worked out pretty good for them.
@toadstkr
@toadstkr 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t The ash good for your garden too? Short lived yes but still a benefit right?
@Copyright-di4we
@Copyright-di4we 3 жыл бұрын
Once you wash the ash down with water, almost all the potassium is leached.
@benbush7838
@benbush7838 7 жыл бұрын
Yep cool. As you say, context is king. I have a 20 litre bucket under a tap that empties the ducks stinky poo water from a bath into a small amount of charcoal from the wood fire. Very easy, very mobile. Most times I'm using that water in a partly diluted method to water trees or empty over compost piles. I'm keen to do the trench method. Translates perfectly to our situation. Thanks steve.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
that sounds like the kind of solution that everyone should use. It's already there and it's easy. I have over 800 gallons of char accumulated, so precharging all that on purpose is a big chore.
@benbush7838
@benbush7838 7 жыл бұрын
Massive chore!!
@youretheai7586
@youretheai7586 3 жыл бұрын
You could harness the power of the gases released from the burning process if you used a gasifier and use that in a combustion engine like a generator or even a truck engine.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, woodgas is cool and an obvious fit for biochar production. When you do it, show me :)
@rhuomairhuopostale7857
@rhuomairhuopostale7857 7 жыл бұрын
Good method and clear instructions. How do you process your biochar? How do you pulverize it and activate it? I plan to apply your methods of making biochar on my properties where I also have a lot of trees and brush to burn, and a certain season in which to do so. Right now we are in a drought, so have a burn ban, and who knows how long that will last. Much of my land is powdery sugar sand which definitely needs to be built up with more body. I am anxious and excited to get started just as soon as the burn ban is lifted!
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
I think the char will be good for your soil. Organic matter burns up quickly in sandy soils, so it's just an endless treadmill of compost and manure. If it's very sandy, I think it's worth considering importing some mineral earth as well, at least for small garden areas. I still don't have a good crushing system. It's a big problem for a lot of people and needs an easy solution. I'm hoping to build something this spring. I don't pre-innoculate. I just add extra stuff when I bury the char, weeds, manure, urine, dead things, kitchen scraps, whatever I've got around, and some forest leaf mould for microorganisms. If you add enough it seems to offset the nutrient deficit the first year. That's just easier for me than mixing and pre-charging considering the large amounts of char I'm often using. I don't need another job to do.
@rhuomairhuopostale7857
@rhuomairhuopostale7857 7 жыл бұрын
An advantage of using softer charcoal is that you will have a wider range of options of materials to crush the biochar. Anything harder than the biochar should work. As you were shoveling it into the concrete block enclosure, I wondered if concrete could be a good option, but I did not have an idea about how to implement that. I am also a huge proponent of not creating more work for myself and keeping things simple and where possible, FUN (think treading out grapes). I appreciate that about your philosophy and videos. Thank you, and please keep them coming. :)
@olsonlr
@olsonlr 2 жыл бұрын
OK I cannot understand the words you are using at 7:30 minutes. Top lit updraft. I would like to find out more info on this method but don't know what you call it and I'm finding nothing searching it. Thanks
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 2 жыл бұрын
Look up TLUD. The Jolly Roger version on KZfaq seems like a good one to try.
@richardmccann4815
@richardmccann4815 2 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if a piece of tin thrown over the pit would speed charcoal production, and reduce the ash? Or a trommel over a fire? Not any time soon, I guess, just thinking. Have to do some reading.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 2 жыл бұрын
It would slow production a lot and create a lot more smoke. But it could produce a higher yield and heavier, harder charcoal.
@guineapigfarmer6064
@guineapigfarmer6064 Жыл бұрын
I love making bio char and the simple open pile is by far my favorite. Nothing wrong with the extra Co2. Its plant food. My bio char mostly goes into deep bedding for my animals, before going on the garden. Boom
@julesjay1634
@julesjay1634 Жыл бұрын
nothing wrong with the extra Co2 ? Hmmm climate change ring any bell lol ?
@GP_Streaming
@GP_Streaming 7 жыл бұрын
SkillCult how many acres do you own because with all you do it looks like you have a lot?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
40 acres, though own isn't quite accurate...
@kicknadeadcat
@kicknadeadcat 2 жыл бұрын
Fill a 55 gal drum with wood. Turn the barrel upside down. Drill large holes in the top. Mound some dirt around the edges of the drum. Put wood around the barrel and start a large fire around it. Wait until no more gas burn off coming from the holes. Takes about 3 or so hours. No ash just biochar.
@cantseetheforestforthetree9673
@cantseetheforestforthetree9673 2 жыл бұрын
If you ignore all the ash produced by burning the wood outside the barrel that produces the heat needed to pyrolize the wood inside the barrel then sure. But then of course the wood outside the barrel produces only ash with little to no char, so the overall effect is still the production of both char and ash.
@yongjam9223
@yongjam9223 Жыл бұрын
With that method,what ,then , is the difference between biochar and charcoal?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult Жыл бұрын
Depends on who you ask, but if they have an opinion, it usually seems to be a strong one lol. this method produces a softer char, with lower density that methods that allow less oxygen in the process. Whether that is good or bad is also not a subject there is concensus on. I've used pretty much all char produced with higher oxyge levels, like this. If I can see results as high as mabye 400% to 600% more yield than a control section, using 10%, not sure why I would not use it over other char.
@SpellsOfTruth
@SpellsOfTruth 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a chipper that can handle around 1-1.5in limbs off amazon. Thing works fine, but its pretty slow. Burning works far better.
@downeastprimitiveskills7688
@downeastprimitiveskills7688 7 жыл бұрын
Byproduct of the hewing yard? for chips to char. From my boring machines, 2" holes, it puts out lots of thin half round chips, I have been saving them in large trash bags for wood chip clay infill that has not happened. perhaps bio char. I also have an over abundance of branch and trash trees that I should convert. Its interesting to see three thumbs down, I'm always curious why someone would dislike a video, do they leave comments then thumbs down the video?
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
for those kinds of stock, a TLUD might be a good choice. Check them out. You could build one in an hour with a couple of steel drums and a scrap of stove pipe. If you're producing a lot of them that is. Not sure if hewing chips would be too big, but I'd probably try it. The Jolly Rodger version looks good, thought I'm not really up on what is out there or any advancements kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jKp9isllxKrdoaM.html. i'll build one one of these days for the occasional batch of wood chips I can get. I think you can also burn any of that stuff in the pit, though I've not really done it much, so I'm not sure how it would go using just small chunks and chips. I think it should work fine though. Probably a lot of maintenance.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that you guys burn off your blueberries. there is so much out there about how they have to have the most acidic soils and you're releasing a deluge of ash on to the soil with it's high lime and potassium hydroxide. I assume that is a traditional practice? How much char does it leave? I'm very curious to see how various berries would grow in biochar amended soil re: the ph factor since char is said to permanently sweeten the soil somehow.
@downeastprimitiveskills7688
@downeastprimitiveskills7688 7 жыл бұрын
A very traditional method, fire pruning. We alternate every other year, although some rare growers will go two crops in a row then prune. I am going to be applying this on some of the new fields we are working on. Yes, blueberries are able to grow in sour soils, or look at it this way the tolerate crappy soil, and even some plants just won't or can't grow in such condition. Blueberries can handle richer soils but so can the weeds which are then in competition the the berries. We don't apply any amendments what so ever. One organic allowable item is sulfur this changes the soil to a lower ph which most weeds don't like but the blueberries will tolerate. I don't have the facts but I suspect the yields may go down. We have some loamy soils on some fields, and much more grass than our gravel based fields, and see higher yields on the loamy fields. I did want to ask you opinion on char on an apple trees? any benefits? Also, do you use ramial wood chips on your apple trees, along with fungal inoculates? As for the char left, Hard to measure, the fields are still black, but the green grasses are now emerging, the berry plants are not far behind. I have to get a few more rock off the hill. I pick away every year it gets burned. Funny thing about the rocks though, it always seems there are better berries clustered around the rocks, hard to pick and the rocks are obstetrical, I like to pick rock.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
I started all my trees in wood chips, or most of them, but I don't do any innoculants or regular chip additions. Char on apples, I don't see why not. I had one growing in char, but it was attacked by borers and I have to start over. It grew better than all the other trees for two drought years though, even being planted in a drought year. I expect it will be good for them and for most things. I remember reading an interview with a Japanese biochar researchere and he said some plants do well in it and others it doesn't help. Not sure if he said anything did worse or not. If burning is carried out that frequently and there is blackness, you'd think that there would be an accumulation of char in the soil. I wonder if anyone has studied that on fields that have been fire pruned for a long time regularly. They say the cane fields that are burned benefit greatly from the eventual accumulation of charcoal. Burning used to be a much more common practice in agriculture and land management all over the place. Native Californians practiced it a lot until the Spanish came and outlawed it, literally by punishment of death. It was a key management strategy for them. I've met guys here that are older than me that remember the practice by sheep farmers, even when it was illegal, they would just do it anyway, or the feed quality would decline and brush would start taking over the grazing lands.
@downeastprimitiveskills7688
@downeastprimitiveskills7688 7 жыл бұрын
We are working on accumulating tops and branches of hardwoods for ramial wood chip to apply in piles at each tree. I wonder how fungal mycelium works within bio char? Maybe it doesn't, as a funguss job is to break down things, char is already there and available, or something like that. The "old timers" locals spoke of burning marsh areas and open wild fields on spring days with snow still in the woods. We have taken advantage of snow banks left in the shady edges when burning, supposed to go back and touch up those unburned areas after the snow has melted away, but don't often get back to it, no biggie. Most large commercial growers have turned to flail mowing to prune, the majority of the blueberry operations have. So there may be studies being done by the University of Maine on just such matters, if not already. I have to continue to burn as part of our organic operation, or so I think. Hope I don't become an outlaw.
@ashokkumarsingh5501
@ashokkumarsingh5501 4 жыл бұрын
Good one in certain condition.
@RahulVarshney956
@RahulVarshney956 2 жыл бұрын
Happy medium may be the #Dakota #fire #pit to bring air flow to the bottom of the pit. I’m thinking of using bricks , two rows that would be in line with the pit and then a layer of bricks running perpendicular over the two rows of bricks. The increased airflow improves the efficiency of burn reducing the amount of ash created.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 2 жыл бұрын
The pit method works on oxygen starvation, so you wouldn't want air into the bottom. The char that is already done gets smothered out and stops burning. as more material is added.
@DevaJones03
@DevaJones03 7 жыл бұрын
you're exactly right. I have no time or desire to over complicate things being anal apt not getting any or as little as possible amounts of ash. open burn pile it is for me works fine and as long as I quench it before it turns to dust I'm good.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Deva! That's kind of where I'm at. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but taking more time to make better charcoal or have a higher conversion efficiency may simply not be possible with the quantities of wood I have, or again, it might not weigh out in favor of the former. I worry less and less about conversion efficiency the more I do it. In fact, my trench is out there burning up right now and I should get out there soon and poke at it lol.
@koltoncrane3099
@koltoncrane3099 2 жыл бұрын
Ya using low labor methods is definitely more accessible for most people. I do remember when I lived in the Philippines i saw several times actual huge mounds and filippinos making charcoal. They’d use it then for their roadside bbq cooking. I do think though if someone is a farmer with several hundreds or thousands of acres it maybe cheaper to use the more intense operations if it can produce more charcoal from the wood. It’d be interesting to see how well charcoal could improve Baren land. In central Utah there’s thousands of acres of dry farms where they farm one year and the next year they just till up the land to kill everything to increase the soil moisture to farm in the next year.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 2 жыл бұрын
That's real dry farming, using dirt mulch to hold the water an extra year over in an actually dry climate. Pretty cool. I doubt char would help much with that problem. There's no real substitute for rain lol.
@koltoncrane3099
@koltoncrane3099 2 жыл бұрын
Ya I completely agree. There’s no substitute for rain. Utahs the second driest state. I just curious cause if biochar can hold water really well it might make it so instead of farming they could have good grass grow rather than dry farming it. There’s a lot of acreage where I live that could grow grass but is barren cause farmers use the water to grow corn or alfalfa. I just curious about the water retention aspect of it. We got some pasture I’m going to experiment and see if I make like a worm tea if it actually does anything. In a year I might could get a few dump truck loads of wood from some clear cuts the government done. Thanks for the informational video. I think the government could do a lot of this. Where we ranch they cut maybe a thousand acres of pine trees less than four inch in diameter rather than doing chaining or a fire. The water has ran great for the first time in forty years my dad says filling the lake. The government is going to just burn tons of piles of pinyon and juniper wood next year. Seems like it might be worthwhile for them to try to make biochar instead of just making ash. I’ll have to talk the blm guy next time I see him.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 2 жыл бұрын
@@koltoncrane3099 In my experience, it probably absorbs a lot, but looses it faster than clay or organic matter. Im not sure, but it seems that way. but in a certain percentage in certain soils I bet it's helpful. Eventually, I think that wood considered waste now will start to be seen as more valuable. But it still might be impractical in my circumstances to produce char in the field and do anything with it.
@CarbonConscious
@CarbonConscious 7 жыл бұрын
TLUD's produce virtually zero ash but are difficult to scale up and like you said need very uniform feedstock. Can also be a bitch to get the airflow right.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Good to know. I figured they produced little if any assuming they are run well. I've seen my friend run his and it didn't go very well. Their main problems are fuel shape/size/dryness right? I have the size problem too in that I prefer not to burn anything in the trench over about 4 inches and preferably more like 3 inches and down. Most larger stuff gets turned into firewood anyway, although I have so much coming in now that I'll probably start splitting and charring trunk wood too. Good thing I like splitting wood.
@pf1950
@pf1950 4 жыл бұрын
whats the problem with too much ash just hose it down
@johnwaw6363
@johnwaw6363 7 жыл бұрын
We blacksmith's go for a 50 gallon drum with a mall hole in the top and burn the barrel till it stops smoking. But if you have the wood to burn your way looks good.
@johnwaw6363
@johnwaw6363 7 жыл бұрын
What you said...
@johnwaw6363
@johnwaw6363 7 жыл бұрын
Fresnel lenses if you have the patience.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've done systems like that in barrels or pits, which is pretty much the traditional configuration used the world over. Slow burn, low oxygen, lots of smoke, hard charcoal and on a large scale it can take days. I need to set something up to make smithing charcoal. I like to burn my own charcoal over coal. I pick the harder bigger stuff out of this stuff sometimes, but it's pretty much crap for smithing.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
Coolest method and charcoal ever is bintochan, japanese white charcoal.
@johnwaw6363
@johnwaw6363 7 жыл бұрын
I'll have to research it! Thanks.
@Tadders
@Tadders 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man, I'm the guy that was hypercritical of one of your axe science videos. I've learned a lot from you and generally appreciate these videos. Can you tell me what the main difference in terms of chemical makeup that wood ash has versus biochar? I imagine the biochar, being of much larger particulate size than ash, releases the nutrients much slower into the soil. That much is obvious. However, I am interested in the chemical composition of these two; surely the ash is far more alkaline than biochar on a weight to weight basis, but what other differences are there? Thank you for answering back -Tad
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 2 жыл бұрын
I don't remember, but it's all good :) I actually might do a vid on this soon, (maybe today) but they are completely different. Ash is a quick release of minerals, especially potassium and calcium, but it does not have much staying power at all, which is why slash and burn only uses and area for a few years before moving. char has properties that can improve soil for centuries, at leas in some circumstances, but it is not about nutrients, it's about it's physical and chemical properties. One encourages short term land use. the other long term.
@Tadders
@Tadders 2 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult ahhh that makes sense.
@richardmccann4815
@richardmccann4815 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tadders A major difference is that charcoal is absorbent, will pick up contaminants like oil spills, and filter them from water, along with pesticides. Nutrients are also trapped, but will be accessible because of soluability,while the trapped oils can break down over time. There is no charcoal in ash, the carbon is lost as CO2, for 30 thousand years!
@BigWesLawns
@BigWesLawns Жыл бұрын
I am under the impression that the rhetort burner using 55gal and 30gal drums lasts approximately 10 burns. Hmmm.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult Жыл бұрын
They burn out pretty fast. you can use stainless, but they are pretty expensive, usually over 100 each.
@Tassie-Devil
@Tassie-Devil Жыл бұрын
I have lots of wood I need to get rid of (to mitigate forest fires), but I never end up producing much biochar, even in pits and trenches. No matter how deeply buried the coals once the flames die down, they keep burning until there is only ash left. Short of wasting precious tank water dousing the fire, there seems to be no way to get a decent output of charcoal, so I've given up. And as you say, pyrolysis takes a lot of time and effort and while the quality is good, the output for the work involved just can't be justified.
@justsayingtoday
@justsayingtoday 2 жыл бұрын
I do not understand what is it about ash? Is ash bad, I would think it's fine.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 2 жыл бұрын
If the goal is to produce charcoal, less ash is desireable. Ash is useful, just transient.
@peterrobertson7923
@peterrobertson7923 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Skill i have sat back again and watched your video again, everyone does not have to like everyone's else way of doing things that is life, i am only a new starter in to different methods ( learner 40 years making charcoal, 6 months making bio char ), maybe i was a bit abrupt in saying things about your presentation not the burning, i gather you are in a greens group not sure what they call it in USA, but as you said you you are making charcoal, i was talking about bio char, sorry there is a difference i have found.
@nickthadon9894
@nickthadon9894 6 жыл бұрын
Wood Ash is good for gardens
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, been using it for years. Transient though.
@drason69
@drason69 7 жыл бұрын
I agree...there is a lot of waste with the charcoal retort method....save grief and just do a pit burn, with a cover if you can. It seems Ito waste a lot.a. The old world burners had it all figured out
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
The thing about covered pits or any confined system is they take a long time and produce incredible amounts of smoke.
@grumpygrumpgrump136
@grumpygrumpgrump136 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Gus ain't bacon yet. Good ole Gus.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
No, Gus is still with us. Too busy.
@dondobbs9302
@dondobbs9302 4 жыл бұрын
I thought I heard a pig grunting.
@jeremytheonlyone
@jeremytheonlyone Жыл бұрын
This method is good for open space and single focusing on making one thing only. Not suitable for multitask at the same time activities such as doing gardening and making charcoal at the same time.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult Жыл бұрын
I don't prefer them. They are okay when using a beam that is stood up on end so that you are pulling toward you. But you have to dull the drawknife down enough, then you'll have to sharpen it again to use it on wood. The weibe 12" flesher is prretty cheap and will probably last you a lifetime of tanning.
@khalidislamway
@khalidislamway 3 жыл бұрын
Context is king 😂
@alexismayalalancette5597
@alexismayalalancette5597 Жыл бұрын
Open air isn't making biochar as biochar needs an absence of oxygen. What you're doing is combusting wood when you need to use the process of pyrolysis which only happens in the absence of oxygen.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult Жыл бұрын
Not everyone adheres to that definition of biochar, including me. The more interesting discussion is whether it works and the cost benefit analysis and accessibility of different methods of charing wood.
@johnwaw6363
@johnwaw6363 7 жыл бұрын
Tail the loggers and collect from their burn piles.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 7 жыл бұрын
I think Kelpie wilson is working with some forestry agency to test the feasibility of char production in forestry operations. I'm not sure if it's as a value added product, or to leave in the forest.
@brianosborne1437
@brianosborne1437 2 жыл бұрын
Do not discount the Zen we can experience as we creat this gift to our earth and ourselves while we enjoy Fire? Not chaining ourselves to a hot smoking barrel.
@donovanjones3673
@donovanjones3673 4 жыл бұрын
100 gallons = 440kg
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 4 жыл бұрын
dry?
@Rattlerjake1
@Rattlerjake1 4 жыл бұрын
What you are making is NOT biochar and it is NOT charcoal, it is just burnt wood! This "burnt wood" that you are making will eventually decay and completely break down over time, char/charcoal will NOT! The reason that true biochar is so time consuming is because you must pack the container completely to displace all possible air and use all available space, and the container will not allow combustion to occur but instead pyrolysis occurs. When making char or charcoal the wood is "cooked" with NO oxygen and under constant heat until all that is left is a non-decomposable carbon-base material. Biochar - "The solid material obtained from the thermochemical conversion of biomass in an oxygen-limited environment". Pyrolysis - "The chemical decomposition of organic (carbon -based) materials through the application of heat. Pyrolysis, which is also the first step in gasification and combustion, occurs in the absence or near absence of oxygen, and it is thus distinct from combustion (burning), which can take place only if sufficient oxygen is present.
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 4 жыл бұрын
I call it biochar and so do a lot of other people. I understand that it might not adhere to the original definition (though I don't know) but I need to call it something, and that's the word people know. So I'm not likely to stop using that term, even though I honestly never liked it. IF you really want people to stop calling this kind of char biochar, I think you'll have to come up with a better name than 'burnt wood" lol. Good luck with that. You seem to care a lot about all this. If you are so adamant you should be able to offer me enough information, either anecdotal or referenced, to convince me I should care a lot about the difference between. hard pyrolisis char and this "burnt wood". (Sorry, that terms just not doing it for me. Maybe cinders.) There is an obvious physical difference between hard, clinky low oxygen char and this stuff. I've made and used both before. Is it a chemical difference, and if so, what is the difference? Or is it just a structural difference? How long will this burnt wood last in the soil? are the African dark earths, being, I think it was about 800 years old, and terrra pretta, all made with just pyrolitic char then? I'm assuming that since I get 400% to 600% more growth in a test bed using this kind of "burnt wood" (which is clearly more than nutrient release effect) the main problem is not effectiveness right, but longevity. I have to know how fast it will decay to make a cost benefit analysis. I guess all charcoal found in archaeological sites is also made by pyrolisis? The fossil charcoal my friend has embedded in stone next to fossilized wood must be produced by pyrolisis? I would not be surprised at all if charcoal produced by pyrolisis outperforms or outlasts this stuff, but it clearly works. I also know that there is some yield difference in finished product weight, so I'm assuming that means I have less carbon preserved. Those things are part of my personal cost benefit analysis. If you have actual relevant information about it's longevity, that would be interesting to me. That is only thing I'm significantly interested in here. Performance is somewhat interesting, but since I'm happy with my result/effort ratio, not really as much. Also, I'm kind of curious why anyone would make a new term, biochar, for pyrolitic charcoal, which has been around and in common production and use for ages. Seems like an odd definition, and that there would be something about biology or soil or agriculture in the mix there.
@SimonHaestoe
@SimonHaestoe 10 ай бұрын
2nd video I see, in the first one you said "dont burn your whatever" 32 times. Going i to this, seeing the headline "context is king" and hearing you say it in the first 30 seconds, I just hoped it wouldnt be the same as the first vid. Too damn annoying to watch, for no reason at all.
@peterrobertson7923
@peterrobertson7923 3 жыл бұрын
pull your finger out and stop winging out about everyone else's or there method's and do your own thing, dont want to use barrels like you said you had but to lazy to try you said well be quiet and dont rubbish other people who want to try diff methods , sorry do mean to seem rude
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 3 жыл бұрын
Did you actually watch the video? the whole point was that we should do what fits our context. Go melt somewhere else snowflake.
@peterrobertson7923
@peterrobertson7923 3 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult hey Snowflake i did watch you video right to the end thank you, seems like you can not handle a bit of constructive criticism, your video was good in regards to open burns but your presentation of it was what made me make the comment above
@SkillCult
@SkillCult 3 жыл бұрын
​@@peterrobertson7923 That wasn't in the least bit constructive, or reflective of my presentation. This video is insanely open minded and reasonable and all about context. The whole point of the video was that context is paramount when choosing a biochar production method. I could care less what you or anyone else actually chooses to do. I wasn't too lazy to make a TLUD. Take like just a few seconds to imagine circumstances other than laziness that might lead to me not building TLUDS from the barrels I have, BESIDES, the reasons I actually listed that are disincentives. I said all of these methods probably have a place and certain advantages TWICE, but this is about my perspective and for people in similar situations. I seriously can't see any content issues here at all, or presentation issues either. Be triggered all you want, but if you're rude (you said it) AND seem to have no valid point, don't expect me to not bite back. If anything, I made too much effort to be clear that I don't know everything, and was not dissing any method, but discussing them under context. You were clearly triggered by something personal. If I want to have to talk like an apologetic, post feminist, up-speaking mangina in order to coddle someone's feeling, I'll get a girlfriend. This content is solid. Make some real arguments and not some triggered nonsense and we can talk.
@peterrobertson7923
@peterrobertson7923 3 жыл бұрын
@@SkillCult no prob man i was just giving you a honest opinion from a person that watches a lot of youtube and has watched a lot on biochar, it is okay to be different not follow the rest of herd, Cheers hope it goes good
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