"Shoot expensive arrows" proceeds to blow the bullseye out with cheap arrows.

I love how your opinion changes throughout the video! Just goes to show that you go into each video with an open mind aren't going in to the review with your mind already made up. Cheers

Thanks for put the video up, It's great to see an honest point of view which is so hard to find these days on you tube. Wish your shop was in England .

Arrows are ridiculously expensive... Building a decent budget bow, the arrows can cost as much as the bow.

Having shot them all for quite a while now, I have settled on the thick walled, skinny shafts. The .166 and .204 I.D. arrows really hold up well for the long haul. That being said, if I see good quality .246s for a bargain, I'll grab those too. If you aren't taking shots past 30 yards, say from a tree stand or blind, virtually any bargain carbon arrow will do the job. Many of the big name manufacturers are now making arrows WELL outside their advertised straightness specs these days, so you don't necessarily get what you paid for....just fyi. Gold Tip and Carbon Express come to mind. Easton has been the best at meeting straightness specs for me. Only those taking the long shots really make use of "elite" shafts anyway. If you can barely see the wobble on a spinner, then it will be a deal killer come crunch time. Most important in my experience, is getting arrows cut square. Face your shafts and inserts with an arrow squaring tool and get a spinner, to make sure your broadheads have zero wobble.

Thank you for your frank and honest videos, from choice of bow to choice of arrows your advice has been invaluable. Thank you.

I am a beginner archer, been going about 4 weeks(?). Absolutely love it!! I bought a cheapo starter kit, I reckon I got it from you guys! Can get a pretty good group at 15 meters. I started at about 8, and every couple of days I go out another couple meters. I don't care if it's not a very far distance. I am in it for the enjoyment. As soon as I look through that peepsight, The whole world stops! I do hope I can get out to about 40 or 50 meters one day though. I think I might need to upgrade my gear for that range though.

This man could probably shoot bare shaft dowel rods straighter than I could shoot a $120/dozen custom built arrows.

Victory VForce Sport arrows are my five dollar arrows. I like the looks of those VAPs though. For most people the difference in a 0.003 and a 0.006 straightness is unnoticeable at 18 m. I am still improving, but I don't see the day in my future where I will outperform my equipment. I have also discovered that if I stay about three years behind, I can afford to shoot flagship bows for entry level pricing.

VAP Victory Armour Piercing, i love them, I cant thank you enough for your support. Stephen keeps my channel going. 😀

8:47 - I was watching your stabiliser against the vents on the (whatever that was there), and I could tell that shot was off: You were one full vent slot lower than your original aim point. LOL

I have only broken 2 vap in a year one went through the target and hit a pole and blow up the other got stuck in the deer and the deer landed on it. THANK YOU. I bought the vap after watching your review on them.

Bit late but for future reference the clicking sounds like a worn bearing under load. If you remove the load (string) you should be able to inspect the pulley / bearing and find lateral or rotational play, or some degree of friction. The clicking is usually the first sign, followed closely by increased noise. Thats time to replace before it will likely become noticeable play under load and / or failure. Bushes can make a similar noise but its usually more of a knock than a click. I'm not familiar with compound bows but i am an ex ford technician. It looks like those pulleys will have some form of bearing and/or possibly bushings, those parts are supposed to take the wear. If not bearings or bushes, the problem could lie in the shaft or the pulley itself but it's less likely unless the materials are too flimsy. Hope that's of some help in future.

It really depends on what you spend on your bow, $400-$500 $5 arrows are fine. If you spend $1000-$1600 get the better arrows. It’s like having a Chevy Malibu running regular and a corvette running premium fuel.

Love your videos. Totally enjoy all of them! Just wondering...Gold Tip Hunters have higher profile vanes for increased broadhead stability for hunting. The VAP and Velocity arrows had low profile vanes for target shooting and less wind resistance. I'm a bowhunter, and I'd love to see you do a video shooting various hunting broadheads with Blazer vanes versus low profile target vanes. I like my targets to bleed...just saying'!

This video doesn't prove much. You used a different tune between the two shafts, so it's not an apples to apples comparison -- you haven't isolated the shaft price as a variable in your test, so you can't say with any confidence that price is the cause of your results. The expensive arrows are clearly well-tuned. But the wider group on the cheaper arrows could easily be because you haven't tuned them as precisely as the expensive set. Also, you knowing which arrows you're shooting could easily boost or hinder your confidence, affecting the results.

Man I wish you had a shop in the US. Although I don’t know what aloominium is. 😁 But seriously great informative videos!!!

I've spent big money on arrows only to have them be outperformed by 5 dollar pre cut arrows from the bin.

Just getting back into archery after a couple decades away. I bought 12 carbon arrows off Amazon just for practice. I shoot a 55 pound recurve and these cheap $36 Arrows are shooting straight and are very durable.

As a trad archer, that all looks like an impossible grouping to me :)

Every time he says carbon arrow i get hungry for pasta.

Wait, you use a skinnier arrow for target shooting? Don’t you want a thicker arrow since target scores are calculated by how far the arrow shaft cut into the paper? A wider arrow gives you in advantage. Skinnier arrows are mostly for penetration.

A great video, very VERY high production value andvpacked full of info. Not an archer, but still subscribed. Awesme

I love this guys videos.. always learn so much from him. I value his opinions

I have heard that noise before, it is micro fractures in the limb. I had a Martan Firecat do that in my bottom limb and the bow locked at full draw due to the crack and slight twisting of the cam.

Hey Steven, I just ordered another set of Victory V.A.P. 800 Spine V3 arrow shafts, which will be cut to 28" inches. I 'am going to custom build them with 110 grain points, and nock pin bushings, and pin nocks. Which I will be utilizing with my Junxing F 155 bows, one is Blue with 30 LB. Limbs, and the other is Black with 36 LB. Limbs. Thank you for sharing all your great insights to the sport of Archery!!!!!!!

The one at the bottom that wasn't grouped with the others, hit and deflected off of the grouped bunch. You could hear it, and the angle shows that.

I have used Switch Cane arrows and a home made primitive bow of Cedar. I have won tournaments with this equipment. If a shaft is solid with no flaws and fletched properly with the proper weight point the bow doesn't care how much it cost. It will shoot as straight as the shooter wants.

Easton aftermaths excellent price point at $70-80 - a dozen - H nock I use for hunting .

I shoot carbon and am constantly thinking "is this the day I blow this arrow through my hand." I am thinking of switching to aluminum. I should also mention that atm I am shooting Gold Tip Hunter 340 and they are pretty nice and as far as I am concerned, very consistant.

I've bought VAP sports by your reccomendation, loving them and only broke a few because the point bent inside the shaft. I switched to Carbon express pin points and havent broken one since.

As for arrows. I agree. I always suggest shooting decent to mid grade arrows but as for expensive arrows most everyone is wasting their money. Cheap arrows have there place. As an experienced target and hunting archer. I set up and tune bows anyone who tunes bows will agree. You cant shoot different spined arrows with different weight tips and different lengths and compare there groups with any certainty. If you're bow is tuned to a 350 spine 28 inch shaft with 120g tip. Then you shoot a 400 spine (weaker spine) at 31 in shaft (makes a more weeker spine) there will be much more deflection in your arrow to compare groups with any certainty. Get the cheap arrows in the correct spine and cut them down. Put a new insert in them with same tip as yours the shoot and compare. But i do agree with some of your points so thanks for the content. And keep shooting

Thanks Steven. Nice vid. I'm in the recurve target world but I really respect the straight talk and reverence for hunting and bow hunters. Good stuff.

I shoot cheap arrows just as good as high dollar arrows it’s all a matter of how you build em

@archery supplies Could you please tell me the name of those five dollar arrows again please? I found it difficult to catch the name. And do you still stock them or similar in performance. Were they "Fletchwood blazer vanes". I cannot see them on your website (URL in video description) Thanks.

I watch a lot of your videos and I think you do a great job , and your shooting skills are top notch

Gold Tip Hunter XT - I use them for 3d and hunting. Best arrow for the money IMO. Easton Fat Boy - Indoor paper animal league.

I was shooting VAP Elites(V1) before you, and still shooting them. Use the TKO's for indoor. Just love the look of them. Now hurry up with the Evoke review before I buy a Hoyt.

I just shoot Avalon tyro for recurve and Avalon Classic for compound. I've only been shooting for a couple weeks though, so I can't see the difference. But according to everyone I've talked to they're not bad arrows at all. They're 5 euros a piece, and fly as straight as you'd need it to. It's really more about the lack of pins, and the carbon not being made that well. But overall for something like 3D archery they're perfect expendable arrows. Also they are able to be cut down, so they fit my bows perfectly.

Thanks for the info. Your videos are always informative.

hi there I use xx75 GameGetter 500 for my recurve at 46 pound bow and I use a 44 poud recurve bow with x10 arrows at 380 and get very good result of the 2 types arrow that are match for shootibng indoor and now out door i used x 10 arrow fo the wind on the prairiea

You shoot good even with the cheapest arrows. It only means skill is King, secondary is the equipment

I think the point has been proven that a mid range decent arrow will shoot better than most people's abilities. If the noise hadn't totally distracted you the $5 arrow group would of been much better too! Obviously if you're an elite archer then buy the top quality but for beginners or intermediate archers mid range are sound enough

We buy those $5 arrows in bulk for our club and pay about half that. I wouldn't shoot one through my compounds but for the Genesis and lightweight recurves we supply on open days they are fine. The inserts do come out as you say but not a real problem with our targets. There are other Chinese shafts available that are much higher quality and compare more than favourably with some of the cheaper name brand arrows for hunting and at a much more affordable price. Good video.

I don't know what you're hunting down there that you don't lose arrows, but if I shoot a Missouri Whitetail that arrow is going straight through and I'm probably not even going to look hard for it. If I do, I'm more interested in the broadhead than the arrow shaft for reuse. For competition once you get good enough to think about winning rather than competing for fun, sure, spend the bank on the gear. For the rest of us, arrows are disposable.

Interesting you say that pin nocks protect the arrow shaft, I shoot Easton ACE's and used to use pin nocks but found when I hit an arrow, the nock end split, the pin seemed to transfer the energy from the arrow hitting it into the shaft and split the carbon so I changed to using G nocks and I've yet to split a shaft even though I've hit the arrow with another, all that seems to happen is that I lose a G nock, much cheaper :-)

I'm just a beginner at archery but I'm not new to the sport of target shooting. I would think archery equipment is subject to the same rules as other target shooting sports: Cheap is a bit of a lottery but often better than we would like to acknowledge with the good stuff in hand. There is also another truth to these things: Good stuff isn't necessary that expensive to produce in this day and age.

I used CarbonTech Cheetah 45/70-400 grain with a 100 grain field tip my draw length is 29.

You know what carbon arrows do they fracture and explode and can do quite the number on your hand

Excellent form Stephen. Great video as usual.

why would you use 166 diameter for spots? they are for hunting... i like to use 23/64" diameter for spots and a easton axis for hunting

No mention of carbon express which many, many people use

I have shot GoldTips for years and love them but they have never survived a kill. My groups at 60 yards look like your groups but I hand build and tune my arrows. I am shooting the Matthew Monster SLR8 set up for hunting. I have no clue how you can stand to shoot those long stabilizers.

Would you buy the vaps you see on aliexpress ? They seem to be over spined to insure they’re not under spine.

Ok, I´m outing as a newbei on archery... BUT: from my other experiences on shooting, even the cheap arrows form a extremely nice group on your target. Off the center maybe, but a good group after all. Could be up for weight/speed, length or balance of the arrows? Just curious...

I used to shoot the cheap 3 dollar Allen arrows from walmart and would go through them like crazy, they broke all the time and weren't very precise. I switched to Easton Axis Traditionals and they shot amazingly. I only broke one in a period of 3 years using them when I was shooting in the house and someone knocked on the front door, which startled me, and I slapped the trigger on my release and sent an arrow through the closet door where it broke in half. I stopped shooting in the house after that, but they're good tough arrows, and I'll never cheap out on arrows again after seeing the difference. I've even shot those arrows into rocks while hunting rabbits and they were perfectly fine. Good arrows make all the difference.

Will take a look around your shop soon bud looks great 👍🏻

The way it appeared to me was that the $5 arrows had less flex so when the arrows hit together there was more deflection causing the second arrow to hit off to the side of the arrow in the target. With the more expensive arrows they appeared to flex and bend enough for the shot arrow to squeeze in right next to the arrow already in the target. Just an observation

I shoot $3 arrows from a cheap bow in my backyard . It makes getting a bullseye all the more rare and exciting. I have made a bow with fiberglass driveway markers and tape and shot an arrow I found in the park and was able to hit my target. Clearly not your ideal customer, but now I am wondering what I would do with a decent bow and set of arrows.? Maybe my habits are already to bad, Good thing I enjoy shooting my backyard target!

always well informative and honest reviews, this one no different, i hope i have chance to pop in to your shop one day

Best archery videos on youtube easily

hi Stephan I placed an order with ur shop for a set of victory elite 600 and was wondering if u got any in yet

Been using economy arrows for practice and recently went from the Tru Fire Sear release to the Stanislawski Blackjack good for me bad for arrows.Blasting up the economy arrows shooting groups went thru half a dozen in a couple days so now I have to pick different points to hit with each shot. The difference between the economy arrows I use ( roughly 60 usd per dozen in 350 spine) for practice and my good arrows (carbon express maxima blu rz) is marginal at 20 yards but step out to 30 yards and my economy arrows will hold maybe 2.5-3" groups the Blu Rz arrows will still stack, unfortunately do not have a spot where I can test the difference at 40 or 50 yards. That's with a Bowtech Carbon Knight 28.5" draw and roughly 75~lbs draw.

Do you notice a difference in accuracy between the elites at .001 straightness or the sports at .006? thanks

I’m surprised you didn’t do the spin test, to show people how to tell if an arrow Is straight or not

.166 Dia??? Why is it that no one ever actually mikes the outside diameter of victory VAP arrows. They are .215 Dia. The inside diameter is .166 NOT the outside.

Wish I had seen this before buying my last lot of arrows.. Will keep them for when I go hunting and stick to the cheaper ones for practice

I'm shooting 340 velocity xt at 29.75" with 130gr point and 20gr fact system weight out of my supra focus set at 61lbs, they shoot pretty good. They weigh 426gr, looking at the 350 VAP target gamer with a 140 point as my next arrow

most hunter are hunting for the meat also it is not TV cost does effect the viability of hunting . How do you feel about the larger flights?

I shot primitive my last few year of following the club shoots and never felt handicapped? My homemade Osage bow and switch cane arrows won a lot of tournaments?

For all the carbon arrows out there (and i have few dozens of different from some cheapest chinese up to Skylon Paragon - not so cheap chinese) for indoor i went for Easton X23 2315 shafts.

What is the best 105 dollars arrow?

I wouldn't really go with dirt cheap arrows in my compound, but for hunting, the one unavoidably prevalent fact that stops me buying $50 arrows is pass-through and animal movement. The pump house of a deer is roughly fist sized, lungs even bigger, at some point a 2-4in group is simply good enough, and anything more is simply academic. Add in the failure to recover at least some percentage of pass throughs and misses, plus arrows that get thrashed if they don't pass through, it can get totally out of control with prices...I hunt to provide most of the red meat we eat, so keeping costs reasonable is important to me

It all depends on what your going to do. 70 meter Olympic, or 3D, or recreational. Nobody would ever spend the money for Olympic grade arrows for recreational/practice. Kind of common senseical.

distance to target at range? 18m?

I shoot aluminum arrows & I have never had a problem with them .

I shoot full metal jackets and it was 100$ for 6. That's cut. To 28inches they are 340 spine 455 grains. Great arrow. They are carbon fiber wrapped wt aluminum.

Very informative video, I could clearly see the $5 arrows shaking around when they hit the target opposed to the higher quality arrows when they hit the target they look 100% solid and definitely more accurate. Pretty cool to see the difference Layed out how you did. Great video!

Hi sir do u supply this item anywhere in the world?i

I use some victory arrows that are 27.99$ for 6 arrows and they cut them to size for me I shoot with 100gr tips (my hunting arrows) and I shoot very well with them like just as good as my expensive target arrows some victories that cost 60$ for 6...

Tbh when you said cheap arrows, I assumed you meant Amazon arrows 😅

$5 arrows are perfectly OK for beginners and intermediate archers, IF and WHEN the archer becomes more proficient then they can move up to EXPENSIVE ARROWS and a more EXPENSIVE bow, if they can afford it, too many suppliers tend to want to push EXPENSIVE equipment to start off with, and the cost for many hobbies can be prohibitive and can put people off from trying a new sport.

Try blackeagle arrows

I bought some cheap 5 dollar arrows 4.2 id 700 spine complete with aluminium nock pins, 90 gr bullet snap off points and 2 inch feathers and they were ok for me.. I shoot a couple of times a week.. Not interested in comps..

i don’t know man i shoot 5$ arrows i get at walmart i cut to size at 70yads in a softball size hole in 100 Fahrenheit sun all day like 8 hrs 3 days a week. i don’t know how much better i could do the only advantage I see is not splitting so many arrows if i go to a pin nock.

I've been shooting the same Bear Kodiak hunter recurve for 50 years, and cheap (< $5) Graflex and carbon arrows for decades. I can hit the palm of your hand almost every time at 30 yards...no sight, no release aid. Most people can enjoy archery their whole life without spending $15 for an arrow and $14 for a broadhead. Rediculous.

Clean form mate

Can you tell the difference with the straightness with your victory arrows? My bowtech wants me to get the Elites but I heard that you can't really tell the difference between the sports or the gamers. What are you thoughts. Thanks

I shoot the new easton Carbon axis under armour and i have always 3 arrows out of ten that are going in the Seven or the eight and all the others are going into 9 or 10 How is that possible ?

Where is your shop

I come from the long range shooting world (.300 win mag to .408 cheytac) . Each shot of a round was $2 to $11. A day at the range was easily over $100. Archery does see a heck of a lot cheaper, yet I see people complaining.

What spine, arrow lenght and point weight combo are you using on your vap?? Plus are you shooting the supra at 60lbs?

Can you split an arrow with another arrow?

Hunting -black eagles Target- easton

what type of bow the brand and all the set-up ,thank you ,merci à vous .

I have really cheap arrows specifically for stump shooting. Doesn't make sense to lose my Black Eagles to the brush or rocks

No larger diameter arrows? Like the Victory NVX 23?

The angle makes your stabilizer look 7 feet long.

I have some gold tips that are 500 spine is that good for my bow thats set at 48lbs

Ok I have a weird one. I find sometimes I shoot better with cheaper arrows. Hear me out. I shoot field, (unmarked distance 3d). When I've had expensive arrows as I've drawn up all that's running through my head is don't miss, don't lose/break this arrow etc etc, I panic and procede to smash my arrow (Easton superflight). I switched to maximal edges, a midrange-budget arrow. Now when I draw up I'm more calm and found I actually enjoyed the sport more. Did I miss an arrow? Oh well! Did one smash, meh no Biggie.