Hi, I was curious as to what this might look like for Physical Therapy. Thanks!

It’s interesting you reviewed Nurse Practitioner but not Nurse Anesthetist as the qualifications are very different. Maybe an interesting topic for a future video.

This was interesting. I am a vet and when I was going to school the acceptance was around 20% for my school (Mississippi State) probably because we were one of the cheapest ones. *Cries in $200,000 debt with starting salary of $90,000* Here is hoping I do public service loan forgiveness correctly.

Hey what is the game plan to increase the pay .. they pay very low like $8 to $10 an hr. What is the plan ?? Forget degrees for a minute I just need a PLAN ... I am NOT going to work too long with that kind of pay, so after like 2 or 3 yrs whats the next step?? You need to move up and can't stay as a pharmacy technician so where do you go from here?? Thanks

So why do you put pharmacy if you didn’t even talk about it? I heard pharmacists are doctor too is that true? Is that true pharmacists are going for over 8 years to get their doctors degree? Why did you not talk about it if you mentioned it in your heading? Do you not like pharmacists? I believe pharmacists work in pharmaceutical companies to make all our drugs like Amgen or something right? Heard nurses don’t like pharmacists because nurses can’t steal narcotics from hospitals too not sure but my nurses friend tell me how much medical doctors hate pharmacists and nurses says pharmacists are super smart and genius and that’s why medical doctors don’t like pharmacists is that true?

As someone who went to law school and looking into med schools, I can tell you the debt for these 2 programs are very similar if not identical.

Yes! And include other health professions like Optometry :)

i heard dental schools like nyu charge thier students like 600k plus. financial suicide

Also compare when they start earning ? And how much do they earn over time?

Bill Russell you are correct. I’m currently a dental student and can confirm this

😂 Maybe it’ll happen on day 9495

Med School Insiders 17 more days⁉️ bet😎 I appreciate all yalls hard work btw🤩

Perhaps make your own video....

L T obviously I can’t or else I wouldn’t be asking in the first place...

Or maybe a Psychiatrist vs Psychologist video???? Maybe????

Back in the future 2 lied to us

Is this a reference to the dentist who got jailed for riding a hoverboard while treating patients? I can't tell lol

@@zzzzzzzzzz098 no I just really want actual hoverboards, not fake hoverboards.

James, I call the fake ones “Rollerboards,” but I still like them.

That’s more for engineers, not doctors, lawyers, or businessmen.

Garrett, I’m also a 2nd year PharmD student and have had quite the opposite experience! So sorry all your pharmacist encounters have been so negative :( It’s quite the opposite for me as I’ve worked under very passionate pharmacists (I serve as the student pharmacist in a clinic for HIV/AIDS patients, and those one PrEP and PEP!) and have had the opportunity to shadow and talk with passionate pharmacists across my state as well! I will note that the “saturated market” comments are always in regards to the traditional community/retail setting from my encounters but that doesn’t really portray pharmacy correctly as there’s numerous specialties as well as even more non traditional roles such as mine! Hoping you find a passionate pharmacy mentor or find your passion in the realm of pharmacy!

Rudi Elizabeth I’m in medical school but was thinking about the pharmacy route so I naturally have a lot of pharmacy friends (who are practicing). Unfortunately not a single one of them likes it...even a little.

@@emperormouse5487 Again, I'm sorry they don't like their jobs, but that's them. I absolutely love my profession, my future specialty and the patients I serve currently and I know NUMEROUS upon numerous other practicing pharmacists who love what they do, love their patients and their specialties! Truly, there's always going to be people in ANY profession who don't enjoy what they do/want to do something else or more (1 dentist I shadowed in undergrad, 3 physicians I shadowed between high school and undergrad, my family friend who hated being an engineer and went back to school to become a lawyer, and many many more!) I've never been one to allow others opinions dictate what I want to do in life, hence why the one pharmacist I connected with who wanted to do more didn't stop me from applying to pharmacy school and now creating a position serving patients with HIV in my community. Once again, sorry your friends don't enjoy their jobs - sucks for them!

I looked into PharmD because I love math and after reading about the high stress job market I said Fuck that. All the respect for people who do it, of course.

Ikr same here! Pharmacy has gone downhill so much ! We need the regulatory bodys to do more to ensure that there's enough jobs, good pay and healthcare input

He gangster...

I actually laughed out loud 😂

Lol i see these types a lot

Ain’t it true!!

He said it best their egos are deeply related to their work.

@@rspec122 The Netherlands. But here dentistry is six years and you can only apply at one university and you have a very, very slim chance to be accepted.

@@rspec122 Here you have to complete a six year version of high school and then six years of dentistry.

Why? If you got into med why leave

Diana, as an outsider you might think med school is perfect but it isn't. If you are in med school you will understand.

@@ruubvanhulst7309 dear You have experience of medical and also iam not interested in medical. But i am now interested in dentistry. And have a slide idea to start it in germany. What is your recommendation i mean is it good in germany to be a dentist or should i reckon again. 😇

wow. those prices, it makes more cense to go med school

@@geddon436 It would make more sense if making money and being a doctor is your only two priorities, but I didn't really want to become a physician because I didn't want to deal with death or be on-call. While dentists have a lot of debt, the good thing is that we don't have to be on call, aren't super stressed, are able to help people better some parts of their health in other ways, and still make a good amount of money.

@@zzzzzzzzzz098 True. but there are other options for doctors besides the patient interaction, at least from what i have been researching, such as pathologist,

@@geddon436 Med school is very competitve and medical residency is super-damn competitive, don't even dream about reaching a comfortable specialty (if that even exists in the first place) And dentists don't work a lot of hours per week, most of them just work 3 days a week, almost no shifts and no calls, and on top of that, they make as much as physicians per year (even more than them in some states) it offers a very comfortable and family-friendly lifestyle without being overworked or exhausted, medical doctors even have higher suicide rates than dentists, no job deserves sacrifiying your entire twenties and then overworking you for 30 years or more, no job deserves that!! Unless you have sincere passion for your specialty As for debt, there is no huge difference regardless of your specialty, dentistry offers independency and dentists who own their private practice make 8x even more than surgeons with flexible hours, maybe there is 150k$ difference in debt but dentistry wins by a large margin, they pay off their loans even faster than doctors, I know an orthodontist who only spent 2 years to pay his 350k$ debt back, and doctors who couldn't even pay their loans back even with 10years of practicing

@@lisaandjenniearemylife2276 are you a med student?

JD/MD!!

This one please! MD/PhD

You still in dental school?

@@SylverUI Yeah! just started my 3rd year

@@wsutherland I'm on my first! goodluck to the both of us!

@@SylverUI thank you! You too!

How long is dental school?

I need this too!

Do they have a video about what being a pharmacist is like (as in the everyday work at the job)? If they haven’t they should.

Radiology will contract a lot due to new technologies. Much of the work will be one with AI in the future (in 10-20 yrs) with actual humans just double checking the work. So if I were a student I would not choose this specialty.

New title: “So you thought you wanted to be a radiologist…“ You don’t.

Have you graduated now?

How did you know dentistry was the right career

Tele-pharmacy is growing. I’ve had multiple friends who graduated pharm school who gave up working behind the retail counter go over to working for Walgreens doing patient consultations behind a desk

Jay Smith yes, clinical pharmacy and ambulatory care are also growing. I am a pharmacy student but I still worry about the future a lot.

Siyu Liu Honestly I think you’ll still be good and find many jobs if you’re willing to move out to a remote area. I know retail pharmacy just has a very high supply of applicants in bigger cities

Yep. Not a good outlook for pharmacy. Glad I saved myself.

Retail pharmacy isn’t the only pathway for graduates - there’s hospital, corporate, aged care, and clinical pharmacy is a growing industry! Not to mention the research prospects and the prospects of doing another degree such as medicine or business to supplement a pharmacy degree

Please do OB/GYN I’m an African American ore med student and I’m interested to represent and want to protect minority women specifically black women and represent black women in medicine more

me too!!

Same!!!

I don't know. Dental school is usually much more expensive.

I'm in pharmacy school and I regret it cuz we have zero lobbying power . The pbms and pharmacy companies run everything. No unions or anything

Why do you care about prestige?

Finding a great workplace with great co-workers is possible. Sorry you haven’t found it yet. Have you tried getting into a hospital residency program?

@@dominick6131 don't pharmacists in the US go for research or clinical research jobs? How about AnalChem jobs?

The price. That's it. The most important decision is which school will graduate you with the least amount of debt. As a board certified MD I assure you no employer cares where you went to medical school and even less relevant if you open your own practice. This is not business school where coming form the top 7 matters. Too many students, not just medical students are brainwashed into believing in a school's prestige. These doctors are the ones with the most debt and end up with the lowest salaries. Stick to an in-state medical school and your future self with half as much debt compared to other students will thank you greatly and you will still find yourself in the same residency program

@@dominick6131 Yes, but when you have Many schools with very similar or almost same prices, then you have to take in account other factors, not all people can't afford medical school, and this applies to international schools not only the ones in the US. Debt sure is important but not the most Important thing.

@@Omar-gf1yb then visit those schools and see which students and professors you fit in with the best. Even if my parents or myself could afford any medical school I would still pick the cheaper in state school and invest the difference or just not accept the extra money from parents

This is a nuanced topic that has much more to it than just choosing the cheapest school. Possible topic for a future video As I always say, be wary of advice that paints things in black and white and uses broad strokes

Dominick When you’re an attending, sure, the prestige doesn’t matter all that much, but you can’t act like it’s meaningless for the Match. It’s not as important as business school, but it’s definitely a factor. Unless you’re raising a family or something like that where you have exorbitant costs, even $300k in debt can be paid off in well under a decade of being an attending

Yes

This is not the channel to make that video, as Dr. Jubbal doesn't seem to know very much about the PA profession, based on a number of his videos highlighting PAs, including his recent "So you want to be a PA" video.

I’m a PA student, so I can somewhat answer the PA vs NP debate. Overall, I would recommend PA if you’re from any other health profession besides nursing, since NPs only accept nurses. NP school might be a better option for people with families since there are online programs available. NPs in general have more autonomy than PAs due to strong nursing organization backing them, so depending on the state you might consider NP over PA due to autonomy. I may be biased, but I think PA school is harder than NP school. I talked to a NP student before and things she did for clinical hours during clinical year would not be counted if she was in PA school. For example, taking surveys from patients.

A video like this might require him to do more research on how difficult getting into PA school actually is.

try krarma medic

Ikrrrr

@@kevinkibet2335 yeah i love him too but Med school insiders talk about more detailed and specific topics

I know this program is insane! A family friend of mine (whom I call "uncle" because he is my dad's close friend" is a OMFS and was previously a PharmD beforehand. The amount of schooling is crazy to me

If you can find my comment, they said might have hinted that it will come in 17 days 😎

@@fred2995 I saw that! 😀 I hope it's true!

It came

@@Ryanbros that’s what she said

Pretty common knowledge from those who were deciding between law and medical school. I know tons of people who made the choice of medical school because they didn't want to deal with uncertainty of not getting a job because of the law school they went too. Its the reason why he put the tiers in video because he knows this also.

Have u gotten into law school yet?

@@iLastStar nope! I will be applying next year!

@@thatweirdscienceguy9880 i'm a canadian so my main goal is uoft law, whats your goal law school?

@@iLastStar I wouldn't say I have one "goal law school", but I'm aiming for a T14 law school. Best of luck with applications and decisions!

Success !

Good luck! I myself have decided to become a surgeon and I hope we both get what we wish

Good luck!~ me too, I’m still in high school and I hope I won’t lose my passion and motivation to become the doctor I want to be

thanks y'all for the motivation! let's all achieve our goals. good luck! 😊

You won't come back to this comment lol

Well to me getting in to medical school is the hardest part, save maybe residency matching, just because that's something largely outside of your own control. You can work incredibly hard and still not get in because of bad luck or a decision someone else makes for you. When you actually are a doctor in residency/as an attending (less so in residency though) you get by on your own merits. You WILL succeed in what you do and provide good patient care based on the work and effort you put in. YOU control your professional success, not an adcoms committee. Of course the stress involved may be far greater esp. if medicine isn't something you actually wanted to do, but for me what makes things hard is when I have to just hope and pray something happens in my favor rather than having the ability to MAKE it happen.

@@LilJbm1 that’s a valid point, though I’d politely disagree. I think being threatened by aggressive patients (occasionally who threaten to kill you), having to discuss things with family members that their Dad is dying in the resuscitation cubicle, working 18 hour shifts on the surgical ward, balancing several critically ill patients at once...I found that the simple uncertainty of knowing whether you’ll get into med school, vs the uncertainty that comes with knowing whether your patient will survive or not...the latter is definitely the hardest part. Of course, that doesn’t happen every day, and I don’t mean to invalidate your point at all. But there are days that you just can’t succeed and can’t save the patient, because of nature’s power and complexity, and you will just sometimes have to take with you on your journey and learn to accept...and that, for me, is one of the hardest parts of medicine. It doesn’t matter how much work you put in, this challenge becomes the challenge of all doctors eventually, and I think it’s important to address that - so that when future doctors see this, they don’t think “ah, I’m deficient in my ability” but instead “ah, so this is the journey of learning what it means to care for people”.

@@dabi_ I can definitely see your point, and experience may well change my perspective at some point, but I have a religious background and my faith helps me to get through some of those trials. It's hard to really deal with the idea of acceptance/rejection from adcoms yet if a patient's illness has progressed to a terminal stage, while this is still a very difficult thing for both the physician and family, it is something easier to ultimately accept in my mind. Since we will all eventually pass, the only question is when, a patient in great suffering with a severe illness may have reached that time. I trust God to guide people to their time. Of course questions still arise about whether you could have done something as a physician to either cure that patient or extend their life, but you can at least take some comfort in extra work you do to improve your skills for the next patient (even if skill wouldn't have made a difference before). One of the biggest challenges is definitely a difficult talk with a patient's family, or the patient themselves, and I can concede that would easily trump uncertainty with getting into medical school. Of course unless your specialty involves a lot of ICU care it won't necessarily be an everyday experience (one hopes!) and you do have the choice on where you want to be. If you weren't made of the stuff that let you handle the critically ill and near-death patient demographic then I'd argue you wouldn't choose a specialty like EM/Surgery/Anesthesiology or another specialty involving a lot of potential time with terminal patients. Same with Oncology, that's a rough specialty, but there are many other pathways to follow and care for patients who also need physicians where you won't deal with death as frequently. Point taken well though, I just have a strong faith that helps me get through rough times like those. What helps me anyways. Thank you for sharing.

@@LilJbm1 I think you’ve said it really well :) and beautifully highlighted the importance of believing in something that will carry you through. I think you’ll have a lot of strength, and patients will be all the better for it.

Getting in is the hardest part. Once you get in, if your hardworking then definitely you'll make it

Yeah kind of made the video lose validity to me..

I was thinking the same thing

I think he didn’t want to admit that PA school is as competitive as Med School. They don’t want to admit that PA school is a fast paced version of Med School with no breaks.

Exactly.. this 2-5 year experience thing is what's kicking my butt because like me, many pre -PA students have to take multiple gap years before they can actually successfully get into PA school.. its rough :/

Not to mention that the GRE has very little impact on PA school admission compared to MCAT/PCAT, etc for their respective programs. PCE as well as volunteer hours and other extracurriculars are required to be competitive when applying

Valid point

Yes please 🥺😭😭

They are freakin' monsters. I'm impressed. DDS + MD is a challenge.

and one more thing I haven't seen anyone mentioned. The typical PA schools only allow your pre-req classes to be done within the timeline of 5-7 years. So if you were getting your Bachelor in 4 years you only have 1-2 years to get in before taking your pre-req classes all over again!

We should also add that only some healthcare experiences are NOT accepted for PA school. The safest routes are nursing, emt, paramedic!

So I think if you were to combine the two it might be closer to a 3.65 or so. Mainly because there are still a lot more MD students (3x more) so they shift the average towards that 3.7. I'm a 3rd year DO student and had a stellar 3.9 gpa, but I suck at standardized test taking so my MCAT was below the avg matriculant. I still got a few MD interviews (mostly in texas), but many more DO. However in the end it really doesn't matter. We learn the same stuff in medical school and apply to the same jobs. I took both USMLE and COMLEX (as is required by our school) and it's the same crap, except that the USMLE (MD boards) are much better written. Half of our faculty are MD's and i've rotated with 3 MDs and only one DO so far in my 3rd year. Point is it doesn't matter what med school you go to so long as you get good board scores, have great rotations, and preferably choose the school that fits you..... and is cheap. PA school is hard to get into for sure so congrats and welcome to the team!!

I feel the same

Gambit when your brothers wife is making 5 times less than a doctor, it won’t matter lol

Then there’s the opposite where I have heard of people not getting accepted to PA school but getting accepted to med school. PAschools don’t want students who have it as a 2nd option when they don’t get into med school. They try to ask enough questions so they know intentions of students.

The irony, there's like more requirements for clinical interactions and I think it was harder to get into at one time because it was shorter than med school and less applicants accepted.

Yea very very good point, I think u made the right decision, too much school and debt with medical school

I think he already did

He will eventually, it’s one of the main specialties

Wait can I run me down what I need to do to get into a top law school or a good as someone in my first year of college? Like what classes etc

Are you enjoying or think that dentistry is worth it? Cause I am passionate about dentistry and business and I don't know which one I am more interested on

@@reshikamahat You need to think not just the present time but also future. I like both of them but when I think about daily life. Medicine demand more personal time and I' m more like a family person.

@@reshikamahat hey, I know someone who graduated from DMD and then, after some years of savings, opened his own dental centre. Today he mostly manages his businesses instead of actually doing dentistry haha. So you can pretty much do both.

@@reshikamahat dentistry is a great field to go into if your are passionate in business. Lots of dentists end up opening their own private practices/businesses which requires knowing how to maximize business. You can even go on to just managing a dental office with dental hygienists who do the physical work

Wow you’re early

Mature guy🎉

Try to stay positive. Just study little by little

Lobbying

@@MedSchoolInsiders PA Student here, Lobbying is 100% correct. NP's have been in existence longer and have much more say in terms of their role in the healthcare field. That is changing though.

Sad how money & power outweigh patient safety and outcomes. Also, there should be more standardization among NP schools.

Lobbying and the fact that there are way too many NP online churn mills. The vast majority of PA programs require in person labs, rotations, teach on a medical model, etc. The online NP programs are nowhere near the standard of the in-person programs(from what other NPs have told me).

Not to mention PA schools usually require at least 2000 hours in patient experience to even be competitive.

😂

Maybe do a video on dual degrees like MD/MBA or MD/JD or JD/MBA etc?

Same in my county

NP mills are a huge problem in the USA. You give a bunch of average RNs a pittance of what an MD has to study and set them free to often have greater independence than many PAs. I don't disliked NPs (they make great care extenders in physician lead care); I disliked lack of centralized regulation/quality assurance for these accrediting and teaching institutions churning them out.

NP you can get in with a crayon. Now CRNA on the other hand you have to actually work to get in

@@mrburgermaster At least I would go through a NP mill than a Pharmacist mill lol

I completely agree, getting into physical therapy and occupational therapy may be tougher than med school

@@bendover6321 hell nah lol please 😂 PT and OT is more difficult to become than MD? Hahahaha

Joseph Khawand Doesn’t he only do that series for physician paths?