Only thing different I would like to see is healing/lifesteal on the new delirium combo/impalement or lifesteal being put as an effect of bloodweapon since that fits thematically and gives more sustain to lower levels

Interesting to note for some XI fans. The 3 part combo off delirium uses Torcleaver as the final weapon skill, but the entire animation (or rather Comeuppance, and Torcleaver) is just the animation for Resolution (a different Greatsword weaponskill). Basically Torcleaver isn't Torcleaver, it's Resolution.

So glad we finally get torcleaver from 11

It might not seem like we got much but this is 100% better than the stuff we got in Endwalker, still nothing beats HW Dark knight tho i can never move on from how the job played back in the day.

rip my old plunge animation

Man, I'm gonna miss plunge. I remember first seeing it waaay back when they first did the Heavensward job action trailer and, like many others, I thought I thought it felt very Berserk-inspired. Despite WAR being "the wild one" as far as job fantasy is concerned, DRK felt like it had some rather savage aspects to it, and plunge was one of them. Just really reminded me of Guts jumping in while wearing the berserk armor.

the new animation changes are dope

Used to be my main… but I just can’t anymore.

disesteem is not oGCD happs clearly says weaponskill :/

FINALLY UPGRADED QUIETUS!!! I never liked how that skill looked...i'm happy we have a new (amazing) animation under buffs now.

I’m loving these changed, the enhanced blood spiller is so cool

Did anyone actually expect cool new changes for dark knight? Or for it to get... Better? We lost damage in leveling content, we lost plunge, we regenerate a lot less mana, and we lost buttons. Damn this is depressing.

Thanks for actually showing Impalement lol; most others are just showing the single target combo.

RIP plunge. DRK is the tank I play the least, so I don't really know how I feel about the changes, but looking forward to what others say about it.

These changes look decent but the fact that DRK remains the only tank without the ability to self-heal consistently really feels bad, especially when you look at something like Warrior or GNB that essentially have those things on demand (and WAR has it with way less rotational complexity). Upgraded shadow wall is nice but also kinda requires healers to be aware you're going to get a large heal from it to be effective and I suspect in most dungeon situations it'll just be overhealing. I hope I'm wrong and it makes a tangible different in actual play.

Sick animation upgrades and Living Shadow finisher, still big sadge that there has yet to be a weaker TBN like Shadowskin pre-70 for lvl sync, or more self sustain options (tho Shadowed Vigil excog is nice). Also hoping that pvp Drk still has Plunge. All in all, pretty decent for post-ShB Drk.... I guess

It's very "We've got sustain at home." with Vigilance.

RIP plunge and rip still having oblation exist. Still salty that TBN doesn't get an upgrade like the others did, they could've tacked on that vigilance buff from Shadowed onto TBN but that's just me.

Sooo...Abyssal Drain and Carve and Spit are still linked with a ridiculously long cooldown? No charges? No nothing? Excellent. With such wonky self sustainment compared to the other tanks, it's almost like Dark Knight should've just been a DPS class from the start like it's always been...

Iunno I feel like the potency of skills for DRK should be higher when the other tanks are rocking around either 1400-2000+ pot nukes or An ever increasing finisher combo that keeps getting stronger and stronger....

Seems like the Quietus upgrade Impalement was not shown in the job action trailer I think? Looks cool though!

They really need to give DRK some more self sustain. The Shadow Vigil thing is nice and all, but with it only being available at 92 and on a 120 second cooldown it's just not enough, even with the Rampart Trait they gain. Carve and Spit STILL being linked with Abyssal Drain is utterly horrid without giving C&S the HP regen to make it a single-target/AoE variation between the two. Blood Weapon and Delirium should REALLY have HP regen too, even if it's the same potency as Souleater. I'd say to make it 400 instead, but either way it'd be fantastic. Also TBN still being 3000 when the only MP regen buff is Delirium effectively giving 800 per hit now instead of 600, it should have some kind of compensation for if it doesn't pop. Preferrably a 1500mp return.

Am I weird for not being upset about these changes? Would I have liked more? Of course (mostly just more survivability which we got but each tank got their own version upgrade) but really this just makes the burst stronger with flashier animations. I don't mind the plunge loss since I used it for mobility anyway and I don't find DRK boring despite it's already simple rotation. Like, I get directly compared to WAR (who seems like they continue to not even need a party) it's lesser. But really I'm ok with these changes.

I really hoped that lower level delirium might have borrowed some old animations instead of bloodspiller spam to make it sorta different from Warrior.

Still no self healing 🤣🤣🤣Samurai has more than drk.What a joke

They should add a hot to carve and split and keep a big aoe heal to abyssall drain or add a small hot to salted earth

why does hard slash still exist? please replace that animation.

WARNING! ⚠️ I AM NOW CASTING UNMEND! ⚠️ I HAVE TAKEN 5 SECONDS OFF PLUNGE ⚠️

Plunge/change losing its damage should have made it just a dash like Dancer.

Do they just hate dark knight? My favorite class and it just feels like we get worst and worst vs the other tanks.......I miss HW version

Just a pair of ability windows during the burst phase to weave defensive cd's as needed without loosing dps is welcome, but i really hoped they would trade some of the business for resource management No extra sustain and oblation staying the same doesn't feel appropriate, but it's fine The wings are a bit too much in my opinion, but i'm sure many people will like it I guess outside of the mana spenders, i'm not too fond of the drk changes we got since after the stormblood version overall, maybe it's just me i don't know

I really, really wish the new delirium combo was not lvl 96 but just always a thing and then give something else at 96...

is my but i saw we get one wing wane using disesteem, it look like a skill that Sephiroth use!?

Quite honestly not looking forward to these changes, they don't look very interesting and generally don't feel like a level 100 Dark Knight 'should' in my opinion

DRK is still the I don’t need sustain if it’s already dead tank somehow. But I didn’t expect a sustain ability anyways

Anyone else not call the shadow Esteem and instead call them Frey?

At this point i dont think they listen to fans. Drk has NO sustain. All i wanted was night sword from ff tactics.

Yet PLD and WAR keep their damage on their gap closer. Why Yoshi-P why?

IS disesteem an off global? cus the tooltip makes it look like a new weaponskill which weaponskills are globals

I find the comments about self healing so weird in this game like... As a healer main, I'd kinda prefer Paladin and Gunbreaker *lose* some self-sustain and just make it Warrior's gimmick. As things stand, I don't really feel like a healer when three out of four tanks don't even need me around unless they pull an ass-load of mobs.

Compared with endwalker, living shadow cost nothing + 3 stacks of blood weapon = 10 more blood with 2400 less mp every 2min ? That’s quite a big loss

Did they get rid of enhanced unmend or what?

Honestly, about as disappointing as I was expecting. Neat new flashy animations, and the class feels a bit less "smack heavy hunk of edgy steel around spamming the same exact animations over and over again", but it still hasn't addressed the main 2 criticisms against it. Those being: Blackest Knight is way too high level for what it is (sheltron/heart of stone/raw intuition), feels incredibly bad to use, and has had the same exact effect for several expansions now. And the other, being the classes pitifully low self-sustain when compared to the other 3 tanks. Seriously, why the second point especially was ignored is utterly beyond me. And NO, the 1.2k heal every 2 minutes at 92 does in no way count.

The playlist link doesn't seem to work ^^; I hope this helps!

Man this game is just.. I hate saying this because it sounds so cliche but nothing will ever be the same as before. Every job was so fun in HW/SB, I hate the direction they took with almost every single job

Stupid that Pld and war get to keep their gap closer.

So gunbreaker out damages them and out sustains them? So they are the best at being a tank you can play so that other people don't play the same tank as you and hurt your limkt generation because most people will just play better tanks? Got it.

I definitely wanted another heal but I'll take it!

They should give DRK a self regen to Salted Earth when in it.

My favorite ability in the game is gone. 😞

I hate what they did to my favorite tank job. It’s almost like they want to see how much worse they can to a corpse that they originally killed. For what?????? Too afraid of making dark knight fun again????? Hell, man

It's bad Warrior got even more heals

cant believe they removed the plunge animation and replaced it with a lame teleport that makes the job feel like a mage rather than a fighter, and its even worse seeing none of the drk mains talking about it, really pathetic changes other than the delirium and disesteem

Dark Knight being exactly the same minus Plunge basically kills any interest I had for the job this expansion, due to how many problems it has had since the 5.0 re-work for Dark Knight, and the devs continue to add problems rather than fixing them doesn't help and those problems usually involve removing stuff for no reason, like Plunge since it could have co-existed alongside Shadowstride so long as they didn't share charges/cooldowns. Living Dead still sucks ASS, and I would rather it drop my HP to 1 but gives my the I cannot die effect but you still take the damage for 10 seconds and have the massive healing effect for 20 seconds. I would rather swap Living Shadow with a 7-step AoE GCD burst that's on a 30 second cooldown that also cost 3k MP, that applies a variety of of buffs to Dark Knight and a variety debuffs to enemies to give some much needed utility and MP managements and 3-4-step GCD burst combo that costs 3k MP but is on a 15 second timer, to help bring back MP management. Why didn't Dark Knight get and AoE Delirium combo? I would also prefer Dark Knight having the Scarlet Delirium combo be usable outside of Delirium for more flexibility so long as it still cost Blood Gauge. Still can't turn on Darkside outside of combat or during downtime. And still can't generate Dark Arts without TBN breaking first. And level sync for Dark Knight still sucks ASS because ARR content exists. Edit: Almost forgot that Carve and Spit still shares a cooldown with Abyssal Drain which needlessly hurts more than it helps, and I would just Salted Earth particle effects just outright gets replace by Salt and Darkness particle effects but keep Salted Earth's casting animation.

I think Shadowed Vigil should have came with 2 charges with reduced healing potency. If they did that, I feel it would have fixed the jobs self substain issue. A two minute cool down doesn't sound like something practical in dungeons or raid content. It's a step in the right direction however I think should have focus on fixing issues with the job instead of not giving us a kit of skills with poor versatility.

So now dark knight's Shadow Wall comes with a free Excogitation, nice... Wasn't Plunge the first ever gap closer? Other than Aetherial Manipulation, I guess. What happens to Enhanced Unmend?! Does it reduce the cooldown of Shadowstride instead?! Impalement icon looks fucking sick, looks like an eyeball staring at you. Warrior is the only tank job that should have had the "mash the same attack over and over again" phase, so I wish dark knight had their new Delirium combo at earlier levels. For now they are still stuck with ugly Bloodspiller spam until they get all the way to Dawntrail. Also would have appreciated an alternate combo to Souleater, I don't even care what it does. And more frequent use of Abyssal Drain, or a heal on Salt and Darkness.

They need to get carve and spit off a shared gcd at least that would be nice. This expansion delivers exactly nothing new for the class other than one self heal on a 2 minute cool down.

YOOOOOOOOOOO WE FINALLY GOT A HEAL LET'S GO

So instead of making the class REMOTELY INTERESTING. They just take away buttons AGAIN and do nothing else? Can't believe we really won't be doing anything but 1-2-3ing until every 1-2 minutes. They couldn't even give us a 30 second CD or oGCD to replace plunge. They really have been out for this job since Heavensward. New combo finally, oh it's on a 60 second cooldown. O new button, oh its on a 120 second cooldown. Amazing.

plunge was a good looking skill , and many people cried that we weaved too much, now our 60s is more pathetic than before with less stuff to weave, ah the 123 filler gonna be sad af

P L U N G E T^T

Great, the gap closer is now absolutely useless than for gapclosing. Plunge at least dealt some damage to aggro. Why even change it, when it's still only used on hostile targets? Not like it was in the way of weaving your ogcds, or keeping it on cd to not cap, because we'll still have to run out of giant AoEs and jump (now dash) back in.

Removed plunge? RIP DRK :(

So Drk is less interesting. gotcha.

man really called "Fray" "Esteem"

Huge DRK L.

Just fewer buttons especially in pre-100 content. Really a shame. DRK is going to be even more boring to play 1-90 now. They're only replacing the two OGCDs missing at 100, while giving another OGCD loss removal (Blood Weapon) and fewer Edges to use during opener/burst. Not fun nor good.

they didnt fix tbn.......

They NEED to stop deleting skills! Pisses me off about the devs. Why I never look forward to expansions. They're feeling out of touch.

This expansion kinda looks like a write-off for Dark knight. You just lost a bunch of stuff and the *only* new thing you get is a button you only get to press once every 2 minutes. Not once did i think they'd make the filler damage even more boring and braindead. Time to switch to melee dps i guess.

still no good self heals like other tanks. Sure 40% mit upgrade getting SCH excog on steroids, but GNB condrum has that too, so samey. Transfer Abyssal Drain heal effect to its line aoe darkness ability but only as the Free proc when TBN breaks or duration its ends, that way still has decent heal for dungeon mobs frequently. When TBN effect ends, it grants Obilation instead but it's own duration is the remaining seconds of TBN's cooldown. So you always have 10% mit on DRK when TBN isn't up, similar to PLD often having 15% mit from Shelltron early levels. Finally with Blood Weapon being Delirium later losing 2 GCDs worth if blood gauge. To make up for that, have Salted Earth regenerate blood gauge per tick now, like it use it before ShB.