it's up to us humans to tell the old tales that connect us to our ancestors.

I hope Yoshi sees this

i mean summoner is ment to be the beginners job that was the whole point of its previous rework

if it aint broke, don't fix it

@@Volfur2251 Yes, let's encourage players to use the simplest job in the game, in a game where the main criticism from new players is how slow combat is at low levels.

@@Rill_1 unironically SMN is the best caster DPS at low levels tho, you have a real rotation that aligns with your max level rotation. meanwhile BLM is a mess at low levels and RDM is just boring (not enough mana at low levels)

@@Rill_1 Not everyone feels the same way. I have someone in my FC who only played healer the entire time for years on this game. They only just now dabbled with dps and were just completely overwhelmed and lost on what to do, even with trying to find guides. Summoner was the one they clung on to because it is very simple to get the hang of compared to the complexity of other jobs. You might be a little more experienced, but trust me, there are players out there who find a comfort area in the game and will be thankful a job like summoner exists so they can potentially join everyone else in doing content without holding them back.

Upon being summoned, "Let the rrrrevels... begin!" Upon using Enkindle, "REJOIIICE!" Upon leaving, "What a memorable dance indeed!"

I agree on that. I like having a third big summon, but it could’ve something different, not a renamed bahamut.

I have a feeling that they are gonna do something like that for the 8.0 expansion, since they've already said that they are gonna really explore each jobs fantasy then. One can only hope...

this is what I was imagining, like almost exactly. Increase your gauge to six gems. Maybe choose when to bring out Phoenix vs bahamut

@@williamsampson306 I feel like a lot of people had similar conclusions as it was the most logical next step. I'm honestly shocked at how little attention they gave to SMN.

@@williamsampson306 They're trying to keep it simple, so anyone dreaming they will let you choose from an open ended selection are likely to continue being disappointed. ESPECIALLY Phoenix vs Bahamut, since right now they share a button. On the other hand, having every other gem set be Ramuh/Leviathan/Shiva could be done, and rather easily if they just made them reskins of Titan/Garuda/Ifrit.

Agreed. Instead of other Summons, they wasted their time arguing if they should keep Rez 😂 and went like oopps it almost DT. Nevermind.

not solar phoenix, lunar bahamut

Speak for yourself mate.

i mean they did say they weren't gonna add or change anything with summoner till 8.0.. but i assume people once again choose to ignore that information that was given out.. Anyone expecting more deserve to be disappointed

@@Volfur2251If they said that, then it was recently, not a long time ago, so people are right to feel disappointed.

Looks like it's still there on the hotbar.

@@Rollenstone I know but did anyone at the media tour ask him “””why”””

@MrRamo14 Yeah I hoped they would have deleted it for smn but I wonder if it has to do with the jank of it being tied to Arcanist.

I saw it used somewhere else, it heals for ~635 HP. At level 100. Insane.

@@Rollenstone it doesn't really need to exist on a technical level, they're actually different spells now on a purely technical level, they just don't seem to care about doing anything to summoners one which is just odd

To the surprise of so few people to, I was hoping we’d at least get like, Leviathan, Shiva and Ramuh just to finally finish the six elements and round out our summons. Instead we get a fanfic version of bahamut that, to the surprise of literally nobody, works exactly like Phoenix, who works exactly like Bahamut does. I expected damn near nothing, and I’m still disappointed, they had better fix the job come 8.0

isnt pre ShB MCH horrible?

@@setsuna5919people were divided on it. If you had good ping it was great bad and you could never play it. It was really fun for those who liked it, because it was a rush to put as much damage in a small burst window, and when ShB came and changed everything that people liked about it took a while for people to like it. Most HW MCH just left the job all together because it was too different. It still has the same problem of ping but it’s not as fun as it used to be.

Yes i remember lol, absolute copium my guy.

@@dobajoba5869 I huff it everyday

also, know which other eikon is a light eikon and way more beloved? thats right, our boi Alex

@@leovictorsr Perfect Alexander punching something in the face is about the only thing that give me a shred of joy playing the new SMN.

@@KanaKuroko in 3 years maybe, please look forward to it

I just want Odin summon. Boy's been severely underutilized in FF14

@@JoSan3 same josan, odin is cool as hell and how they used him in FF16 makes me want more rep on him in 14

Honestly I'm with you here. A bunch of people were mad at the rework and now they do something really strange instead of what the remainder of the community wanted.

Let's start a petition and change Solarwhocaresmut to Hydaelyn Blessing! So keep the glowing wing figure but change to Hydaelyn ( fragment of her power), coming from Ew this will be making sense...so Hb, Bh, Hb, Ph...please make petition and share...I can wait for other summons now, I know they will come, just hate this Solar reskin lazy stuff.

Probably can only get a demi and titan in now.

Personally glad they didn't, I like regular Bahamut's design way more :/ Would have been better if they just made the third something an actually new summon rather than a variant of one we already have.

I'm in the same boat. I didn't like old summoner, and I felt like new summoner was laying the groundwork for a cool new take going forward. But instead, we got this...

Same man, i gaslighted my whole FC with the prayer "Look forward to it, surely its just a foundation so they can have space for DT and give u cool shit like alexander". I feel like a dunce to have expected more then the bare minimum effort. Modders have already made so many cool summoner variants, meanwhile SE devs cant even add carbuncle recolors...

nothing says "active and vibrant" like pets ghosting their skills :)

@@rickmel09 While true that ghosting is no longer a problem, and the change to demi summons is good, I assume you know that the rest of the kit they axed is what I'm referring to.

@@recino2 dots and ruin spam? another good ridance IMO

@rickmel09 ok, well I hope you continue to enjoy new Summoner. It's just a shame that I can't enjoy my old class anymore.

Same here. It's grown on me to the point that I don't actively hate it anymore, but I'm still sad it killed the old version. Wish they'd kept the old one and used these mechanics for a new job instead. Similar to how relics were dealt with in EW, I just think it's a shame that anything seen as niche has to be completely changed.

daily reminder that egi colors were promised like 8 years ago or smth. Modders replace bahamut with thomas the tank engine, meanwhile the devs are too stupid to add recolors to a model xD

Quite simple really: Solar replaces some of the Phoenix windows we have now and people might cry after their lost heal when it matters in 1 of 100 fights lol

To not leave you completely naked heal-wise at a point where you would normally have Phoenix

But yeah, if the difference between life and death was healing from the SMN, I think we can all agree that there is a more important problem at hand.

Iunno, I like helping take some of the weight off of healers. Though I think it might be more for single content like duties.

@@Wanderingsage7 I think if it's for single-player duties, it wouldn't really benefit for party healing as opposed to. Heck making Physick useful, since that is specifically single-target.

Let's start a petition and change Solarwhocaresmut to Hydaelyn Blessing! So keep the glowing wing figure but change to Hydaelyn ( fragment of her power), coming from Ew this will be making sense...so Hb, Bh, Hb, Ph...please make petition and share...I can wait for other summons now, I know they will come, just hate this Solar reskin lazy stuff.

Same... Sad times for old summoner mains.

💯 agreed. Nobody asked for another Bahamut skin....

And for the next expansion we will get solar phoenix

Bro they JUST reworked it. Relax. Summoner is already really good in raids

​@@DioDinero2 years ago

​@@yvonneflop2471no. It still does and its pretty strong, and with the new 1600 potency on solar SMN will be on a really good spot. Maybe try raiding sometime

Buff/Debuff doesn't really work for a system where you can use them in any order. Those want to be aligned with your Bahamut/Phoenxi phase when all of the party 2 minutes aligned, and the whole point of summoner is that you can use the three in any order you need to for mechanics/optimization. You'd be fighting Optimal movement vs Buff/Debuff management and that would get very irritating. Best you could do is make 3 single target and 3 AOE, or have the astral flows be similar to the other ones rather superficially, but not super meaningfully. Realistically, you'd want the timing of the primary abilities to be the same as the original set: Instant Cast, Fast Instant Cast, and a long cast with dash, otherwise your movement is screwed up for the rest of the fight if you die at the wrong time. If I was going to do it, I'd make Ramuh the Titan equivalent, and make the astral flow weaves weak but the potency increases for each weave you don't use, so you can pop it early if the boss is about to leave, but if you save them the last one hits like a train. Maybe switch Garuda's puddle for a Shiva beam or cone. Leviathan replaces Ifrit, but I don't really want to replace Ifrit's as much as it frustrates me getting locked into melee. Not having the dash once a minute would be awful, and the alternative would be a dash out and I don't want Mandatory RDM flip to be part of the rotation. The problem is: I don't know if this is honestly needed. Sure, seeing the others would be cool and all, but I'm just making changes for the sake of changing somehting that's boring but ultimately functional.

It's not even a trait, it's a work around cause the Demi's are actual characters in game that generate their own aggro. This could confuse mobs, so SE just redirect it onto the SMN.

Yes, and it was frustratingly janky at times and my love for my carbuncle was the only thing that kept me playing it.

Well, no. Cause that would be fun. That's not the devs philosophy.

@@thegallantones6353 😂😂 well said 😂😂

it looks like a blue eyes white dragon from a PS2 game

considering we've been dragging Louisouix's corpse around for a few years despite him explicitly telling us not to.... sure? why not....

It IS Demi Hydaelyn. Why do you think you get a skill called Exodus and all that sword motif. But summoning Hydaelyn in the middle of the ARR maps might be seen as risking spoilers I bet so they did that instead.

@@Mordy. They dont give a fck about lore tho. Louisouix summon was never explained ( or reacted to by his relatives ). MCH went from gunsmith to designing robots without any quest to explain it. After SHB, the dev team got lazy

@@ich3730 I wasn't talking about lore though but about possible story spoilers. As for Lore of summoning Phoenix, it's about the same explanation why we can summon Bahamut isn't it?

@@Mordy. There is no explanation. You just get the skill while questing through SHB.

Exactly. It's ludicrous and lazy.

because its a meme between developers (yes this is the official stated reason)

For the Egi’s it was more reaching a “full” capacity with out aether and the elements Trances bypass this by using the aether around us rather than what we can create ourselves However this is now kind of a moot point after Shadowbringers and having a more complete soul thanks to Ardbert so we actually COULD get more Egi/ elemental affinity now Like they literally wrote a perfect way for SMN to get the other 3 elemental summons of Ramuh, Shiva, and Leviathan in Shadowbringers and just went “nahhhhh”

lore does not matter, since EW they dont give a fck anymore. MCH having a mecha, never explained. SMN summoning phoenix, the incarnation of the dead hero who saved the world by turning into a god? No NPC cares!

"Just look at that hotbar and tell me it isn't depressing." You know that if summoner didn't use combined buttons, it would have almost 40 buttons before Dawntrail, right?

Carbuncle provides a shield... and that's literally it besides moral support.

This is maybe a bit _too_ much "stability". The job got an extra oGCD, an AoE heal every 2 minutes, and literally everything else is just passive potency and graphical updates. And Solar Bahamut looks goofy as hell, imo.

Its a magic dps job though. They need to move away from healing.

@Raansu I think having some support vs pure dps can help create more variety and less homogeny between jobs. pct has a party dps buff but not much else, blm doesn't have any. rdm and smn has these extra buffs, mits, heals, rez. Smn's Phoenix and solar heals are better than rdm's verheal and as useful as a dnc's waltz. We see a sliding scale in the phys range dps jobs. Healers have a similar philosophy - whm being just pure personal output, vs ast where you're sending out the buffs left and right. it's just some variety versus another ogcd nuke to weave during buff periods.

@@williamsampson306 The issue is that it's so darn rigid when you summon them that the heal is almost always wasted. If you can summon them without constraints in any order you wish then it could have come in clutch. But no it's basically the same rotation every time.

Next one we will get Solar Phoenix...cos SQE is lazy...

best i can do is fire/earth/wind bahamuts :)

Normal Bahamut and Phoenix also say this currently in game. It's why we get a bunch of mobs instantly trying to murder us on trash pulls if the tank hasn't gotten FULL aggro on every mob in the pack. (count to 5, stay alive :P )

It's just a hold over from the pet system they gutted with the rework. Our summons aren't just fancy spell effects (even though they might as well be), they're actual characters as far as the game's concerned. As such, any damage they do generates enmity. But since they're untargettable, that enmity does nothing but confuse mobs, so SE's solution is to just shunt the enmity onto the SMN.

@Ryukai-san but why, why get even more aggro haha. Doing smn opener on dungeon mobs often almost gets me killed 💀 At least re-add back anti-aggro abilities

I think that's just to clarify for newer players that summoning bahamut/phoenix/solar bahamut will start combat even though it does no direct damage

@witchsniffer5764 oh I see, like 2.0 BRD songs

That's how practically every dps functions. You lose damage when you die.

except right now phoenix is stronger than bahamut....

Solution: don't die

@@Raansu So why are some dps losing a big chunk more then others?

@@ich3730 Every DPS loses a big chunk of dps when they die.

vorthos nerds would respond that we can't have Eden summons because the raid series isn't mandatory and therefore we don't have a guarantee that summoner players will have encountered the aether of those summons, same with Alexander. They justify bahamut and phoenix in the quests saying everyone who lived through the calamity encountered their aether. but also I would think if that's the argument, we all encountered Alexander's aether when he emerged from his bubble at the end of Heavensward, so they could let us summon him if they really wanted to.....

@@anthonydelfino6171 I'm glad for the Solar Bahamut encounter in our journey so far. It was the most memorable fight that we ever had, and that theme. Legendary Though on a serious note, its probably some person holding back on not letting us get the other 3 classics because of the whole Shiva being Ysayle thing, despite the fact that us summoning Phoenix is essentially us wheeling Gramps out and that's apparently perfectly fine.

they already said that smn won't be getting anything new/major to next expansion where it'll be getting a pretty big update, so not sure why people keep expecting alot

@@anthonydelfino6171 Bro they dont care about lore. MCH goes from gunsmith for the church to mecha pilot, never explained. SMN conjures alphinaud's dead grandpa on a 1 minute cooldown? Never mentioned, never explained. Ever since job quests went away, the devs just said "fck it, they dont care anyways, they will RP the holes"

I think I agree that Demi-Baha should've just flat out been upgraded to Solar Baha rather than giving us a new phase. As is, Bahamut does the least dmg between all the Demi-Summons (Phoenix was technically better to Sear on if you ignore the rest of the party providing their 2-minute bursts). It would've been a great way to push up Baha's dmg and importance. Instead, he sits at the bottom of the demi tier list for me. Sure he does two quick bursts of damage, but compared to both others it's overall less and both others provide healing as well.

I feel you buddy cuz big same. Looking at picto now...

Well, you're looking at at least 12 animations (intro hit, Gemshine, Precious Brilliance, Astral Flow), plus lower versions possibly, PLUS your other skills and new capstone. If they do, I personally would prefer they just be 1:1 reskins, maybe with some potency changes. Not brand new skills. Having my instant cast, slow cast, and dash timings completely different for a part on the fight after my tank didn't stack and reset my rotation would irritate me a lot more than not having cooler animations.

@@kevinskinner4986 they can just take animations the bosses already use in the game unless some mystical 1.0spaghetticode prevents it

@@rickmel09 But Ifrit/Garuda/Titan don't use the animations of their respective boss fights. They use new animations themed after the old ones, not the ones from their original fights. What you're saying is that you want them do a half-assed job with visuals that are literally ten years old.

@@kevinskinner4986 doesn't look like it :)

@@rickmel09 Precious Brilliance is three color coded orbs connected with a triangle with a corresponding elemental effect summoned between them. Titan's gemshine is a smacking them with a crystal not found in the Titan, and his Astral Flow crushes things between two Mountain Busters Ifrit and Garuda's attacks are more visually complex than their originals even if they have similar themes, and Ifrit, as far as I'm remembering, doesn't even have a floating fireball like his Ruby Rite; he has a flame breath tank cleave cone and two ground pillars. These are new animations, not recycled

SE has been out of ideas for a long time. Summoner has been the coilmage since Heavensward, and they've beaten that horse for so long its now a boss in PotD. What I wouldn't give to have a single person on the dev team with a shred of passion for this job. It deserved better.

Any SAM player could have told you they don't listen to feedback.

@@irishgoblin95 any player paying attention knows they do. Just because it's not your feedback they act on does not mean they don't listen.

​@@irishgoblin95yeah between SMN and SAM it's become obvious they don't really listen to common feedback

@@Elidan1012 i mean, they might be listening, but we dont see them acting