Wow you found this video so quickly! thank you so much for making the openxr toolkit. Every day I fly I am thankful for it.

Totally agree..this is my exact new setup and I haven’t been able to play DCS or MSFS until now. After I get everything set up I can’t wait to go through this step by step! Thanks man!

@@dusan78 I did get the Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU and it was the best investment, the performance (especially for MSFS) was well worth the $. It really allows my latest upgrade, the 4090, to perform.

This is a very good question. I’m working on a new video with updated settings but in the mean time tried this out last night. It’s fluid at 30fps under 400 knots in London or SF. BUT as soon as you starting real weather w/ complex clouds, it drops down to 23fps. Generally it can do complex weather OR complex photogrammetry comfortably but not both at 30fps.

@@fly_with_nick Thank you! I just updated my system to include a 3090ti and a G2 but I was thinking something was wrong when my frame rates weren't above 50fps. Now I feel a bit better.

@@nathantw I never see 50fps because per the video I have it locked on motion reprojection - 30fps (45 if you have very low settings) is the expected max FPS in that case.

Completely agree!

When you get it dialed in properly you wont regret spending that time getting it right.

Sorry about that. Yeh this video is a bit out of date. In my new one I avoided talking about over clocking because I’m not an expert and everyone’s system is a little different. Thrilled you got DLSS working though. That’s a game changer

so what about the "trickier" 12900K? how should i go about it or should i just keep it stock? i really would like to get max performance but i don't have a water-block (custom loop), just a watercooled corsair 360 extreme (or whatever it's called, sorry forgot the name).

@@dabneyoffermein595 I don't have any experience of the 12900K with its Performance and Efficiency cores but there are many KZfaq videos about tuning it for best gaming performance. I would suggest you wait until SU10 is released in a week (hopefully) as SU8 and SU9 introduced very significant performance degradation in MSFS for me (and lots of other people). They've delayed the release because SU10 Beta ran even worse (again for some beta testers including me). Hopefully DX12 will make better use of the CPU cores and DLSS will let you trade off graphics quality against FPS.

@@ColinDyckes wow, that stinks (the performance degradation in SU8 & SU9, I will eagerly await SU10 with baited breath. I am trying out VR again after watching this and other videos and am hoping for some ground gains. So far so good as I did a night flight in the A320NX and it was amazing. Lots of work to do on setting up controls however. Thanks for the great info!

@@ColinDyckes thanks Colin, so when the new version (update) comes out, will there still be an option for DX11 & DX12, or are they going strictly to DX12?

@@dabneyoffermein595 Unknown. The Beta gave the choice of either, and I would expect the release to do the same. DX12 CAN make use of all CPU cores but only if the program is written to do so. It certainly didn't for me in the beta (33% worse performance) so I hope they resolve that before release. DX11 is effectively limited to a single core for graphics but MSFS has lots of threads handling other things.

Excellent, if only 2 mins of the total is useful to you, then it's done its job! Agree the CPU / GPU stuff is not for everyone (though the actual risk is likely very low and completely overblown by the neckbeard community).

It's amazing. Wind speed, direction, too -- flightsim.to/file/16358/shift-z-stats

Just completed a flight with my multiplayer group using your settings as guide with excellent results. Little more tweaking to do but a big help. Thanks again. Running i9-10900k, 3080 ti with G2.

SO glad. I should have mentioned that if people can cherry pick tips from the (very long) video, and get some improvement, then its all worth it. No idea about other games, sorry! by the way - with those of us on very fast CPUs ive realized its possible to be NOT single thread / CPU limited but STILL get stutters - because MSFS 2020 requires burst performance when loading scenery, which causes, as you said, stutters. Those are easy to see because the load / temp goes up right when you're seeing the stutters. This is what I am trying to improve by increasing single core performance, and yes, it does work and help!

I love this. Too right. Bring some realism into the sim!

this is an excellent question and something that is really not often-enough explained by the VR dev community, or understood by the user community. The reason, I believe, we render at a much higher resolution than the screen resolution ("100% render scale" is actually already 3200x3200 by the way, so it's the *recommended* resolution by HP), is because the image is significantly stretched post-game render, pre-populating the little VR screens, in order to compensate for the lenses which create a lot of distortion by being so close to the screen. This stretching / warping means the middle of the image looses a lot of detail unless it is rendered at a much higher resolution than the actual final screen resolution. In fact, if you render up to 5000x5000 (yes, you read that right) on the reverb g2, you will see SIGNIFICANT image quality improvement. You could call this 'super sampling' (I think thats what you meant by upscaling) but it actually creates an image that just about, finally, after being stretched, utilizes the actual pixels in the middle of the image. If you have a VR headset and dont' believe any of this - you can try it for yourself. Just set the render scale to 300 or 400% and look at how much more detail (resolution) you see in the image. New video about to be released explaining this with screenshots.

@@fly_with_nick Hey, thanks for the detailed response. Really appreciate it :) So, if I understand correctly the screen has physical pixels arranged 2160x2160 horizontaly and vertically, but it renders at 3200x3200 to compensate for the image lose, due to the stretching and warping? It makes sense now :) I'm planning to get into VR, and the HP reverb G2 looks like the right choice. How's the Chromatic Aberration on the G2 btw? Online through-the-lens videos show really bad chromatic aberration on G2 compared to other VR headsets. Is it the same in IRL?

@@muzammilkaleemulla6667 chromatic aberration, if there is any, isn’t noticeable by me and honestly things like render scale and FPS make a much much bigger difference to overall experience than those things IMHO

sounds like the GPU can't cope with the settings. you shouldn't be getting 36fps with motion reproduction (depending on headset), as it locks at 22.5, 30, 45 etc for the G2. Aircraft definitely impact FPS too - taxing both the CPU and GPU to different levels. As does scenery. But 4fps means something is probably set too high for the GPU. You can generally ignore the 'CPU bound' notices that flash in and out with the developer menu on. I don't believe them.

​@@ParallaxEffect The thing is, when I change airports or planes with the exact same settings, it can be great. IE: NZWN in a 172 with repro on is better than I ever dreamed. 310R or Kodiak, it's dropped to 16 on the meter and I can really tell, but if I turn repro off with the same plane and airport, I'm back up to 24 on the ground. Yes, it's obvious that adding complexity will tax the GPU, but what I don't get is why it seems to hurt the ability to use reprojection more than anything else. I would expect things to still be bad even after turning repro off, but it gets better, and that's what's got me confused.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fMWqiN1krc2qhWw.html

MR can add 1,2 or 3 frames extra per ‘real frame’. So you can do 45,30, or 22.5 ‘real’ fps to get 90fps. 45 (1/2) is too high a bar unless you sacrifice visual clarity, in my option.

Interesting. I don't have experience with AMD GPUs but there is some FPS hit from motion reprojection. For example, on the settings I have my setup, I might get 40-50fps without motion reprojection. But I'd rather get a solid 30fps which turns into 90fps, than see 40fps (which has visible stuttering all the time). By the way, the FPS counter will never show 90fps, even if that's what your eyes are seeing, with motion reprojection. It will show 22.5, 30, or 45fps when it's locked (on a 90hz reverb G2). The game and the FPS counters do not count the extra FPS generated by motion reprojection, even though you are actually getting them in the headset.

thanks for asking. yes, I am planning to do an updated video, with the newest versions of the everything, comparing the default setup, and using a more standardized way to measure FPS and visual clarity.

@@fly_with_nick Oh, great , that's awesome. I'm going to go ahead and pull out my G2 and update at least everything to newer versions and follow along your video to check it out, I'll subscribe so that I get a notification (if I haven't already) . I think I'll start with doing a windows 10 update then my mobo drivers updates and I'm sure my Strix "E" DDR5 board has a new BIOS out there too. Thanks for getting back to me!!!!!!

@@fly_with_nick one quick question (and i know I'm doing something wrong), but .... i can't get the on-screen menu to come up with the hot-keys (which are set to F1, F2, F3) for OpenXR Toolkit. I have them set just like yours with no modifiers (cntl- or alt-), they are both un-checked. Still can't get the on-screen to come up even with the Windows Reality play button on so that i can see what's in the headset on the screen, i have FS2020 running as well at the menu just like you were. and the API Layer does indeed show the NORENDOR Toolkit. I've tried F1, F2 and F3 and nothing. must be something simple. Any help is appreciated.

@@dabneyoffermein595 for this, best is to join the openXR toolkit discord - those guys are very responsive and helpful - discord.gg/WXFshwMnke

@@fly_with_nick i was finally able to get the menu to come up, but only with the glasses on, which meant it was very hard to follow your video and the OpenXR Toolkit settings were different than yours on some tabs since I was obviously using a newer version. I am going to write down all your settings in every area and then use them.

Whats your headset

@@fly_with_nick I just upgraded from the Oculus Quest 2 to the HP Reverb G2. I think there may be a conflict with the old Oculus OpenXR. I just used the Steam VR with the Oculus.

@@fly_with_nick Strangely the demo thingy works from the Open XR development tool, I just can't access the settings without getting the error message.

You may need to make sure your openxr runtime is set to wmr in the steam settings.

@@fly_with_nick Thanks. I'll have a look. This OpenXR thing is all new to me 😕

No idea about other runtimes sorry! My understanding is if it uses OpenXr, you’re good but if it uses openvr (the default in steamvr) the toolkit will not work. Most games are not written for both.

you need to be in an openxr app like MSFS first. And make sure you're using control-f1 (as thats the default keybinding)?

Thats actually really interesting I didn't realize you could turn off your main PC screen with VR on. Where is the secondary only setting?

@@fly_with_nick It's a basic Windows UI setting, I hit "Windows Key"+P until "Second screen only" is selected. No idea what impact is has but it's gotta be a net positive? Edit: I should clarify I'm on a gaming laptop, I9-11900H (so I can't do the cpu optimization cause it's an H) and a 3080 but a mobile 3080 so not as good as a regular 3080, but I still dialed in the GPU optimization as you laid out. Also being a laptop, no Display Port so my Reverb connects with a Display Port-USB-C adapter, if that matters.

@@fly_with_nick Update: After applying all the settings you've laid out her, setting my display to "second screen only" didn't work anymore for some reason. Which is fine since the results are great. Thank you!

@@technocore1591 oh no! I'm glad it works well for you though.

@@fly_with_nick Update to the Update! I found if I opened the "Desktop" app in WMR it let me disable my display by selecting Win+P and choosing "second screen only" I guess having the desktop app open in WMR makes my pc think I've got a second display, so it lets me select it.

I noticed thermal throttling happening at just 7-10% CPU usage with temps in the 90-100C range (this is NOT uncommon with this chip). The most important change by far was increasing the fan resting speed significantly, and ramping up at lower temps, so overall much more cooling. This allowed a higher clock speed on low active core count (1 in my case) and much smoother MSFS 2020 performance :) now it doesnt hit more than 70C or so.

@@fly_with_nick dang! Yeh that's toasty alright! 😆 I take it that's with the stock cooler? It sounds like your case doesn't have very good airflow tbh or the thermal pad / headsink is improperly applied.. it certainly shouldn't be throttling on default voltage! Personally I would invest in a nice aio water cooling system and some decent thermal paste. They aren't that expensive (£100 ish) especially when compared to the rest of your system. This will bring down temps considerably on your CPU and also keep temps down in your case a bit too so you should be cooler. It shouldn't get over 80 degrees really even with extra voltage. Also undervolting the CPU doesn't actually increase performance in the same way it does with a GPU as the gpu will dynamically adjust clock speed based on temperature. The CPU will not. As long as it's in the safe thermal limits and not throttling you will be able to increase the clock speed with increased voltage. For example my 9900k at stock voltage of 1.34 sits at 4.7ghz happily however if I increase voltage to 1.4 I am able to clock it to 5 GHz. It still doesn't thermal throttle and all is well

The base TDP of your chip is 50% lower than the base TDP of the 12900k. That in itself shows the thing throws off a lot more heat, which in turn has to be dealt with even more efficiently to prevent high temp throttling. Ultimately, my cooling setup may be as good or better but the chip just runs a lot hotter. But the AIO isn't a bad idea, given the noise the DH-15 puts out anyway, I might just jump to an AIO!

Sounds like the GPU is unstable due to being a little too overclocked ?

Weird because i did the same thing that my friend here did on the video. :( I wonder if I have a faulty $2000 video card?...Edit...you may be right, I just remembered I clicked the button icon in the MSI bios that showed the picture of a CPU & Memory (XMP profile 1) under "Game Boost". So I unclicked those... and see what happens tonight. I thought that is what he said to do in the bios too, but I don't know what to do in the bios.

@@ParallaxEffect So I removed my BIOS game boost settings and still crashing. :(

No! Absolutely fine to fly! I Do it since 3 Years with a Reverb....Recoomend it higly for Sims (car or flight)

I get motion sickness in Alyx and Skyrim VR but not in msfs, DCS or Assetto corsa compet

So I set my CPU to run pretty high - which improves thermals. I think you can search a bit to understand what’s happening when the chip is current throttling. I think it could mean a few different things, but I’m not an expert, sorry! That said, I think making this CPU run faster will only improve performance in very limited circumstances (IE loading new terrain), as the GPU is likely the bottleneck about 95% of the time you’re in the sim.

good question. I dont fly airliners. But I tried it just now, so I could answer your question. It's the same - perfectly smooth. The issue may be your 10900k, perhaps, or settings. drive.google.com/file/d/1-GvkfZFkcRoLFVepn1TKlCwimKlcPbNR/view?usp=sharing

@@fly_with_nick Thanks for the info. I think the a3nx from flybywire is a bit more heavier. But is a hit and miss and depend on my location.

@@haiacninc absolutely. fps always depends on location, clouds, other plane models, etc. I haven't found a plane that slows my FPS down except the F22 which destroyed it, so I stopped flying it. I expect its more likely that third party planes hit the CPU harder than the GPU which may be why, with a 10th gen, it occasionally struggles.

@@fly_with_nick hopefully dlss will fix all these issue. As I only fly in vr is just frustrating sometimes. Is been over a year and we all still struggle with the setting if it wasn't for developers of the open xr toolkit, I've already give up and probably wait until the end of this year.

I literally upgrade my pc from i7 2080ti to i9 and 3080ti before the 12th gen come out so nope won't be upgrading and be disappointed still 😅

sorry to hear. resetting the CPU back to the default settings using Intel Tuning Utility should fix everything. Make sure you apply the new settings and restart. Do you have a 12900k? I haven't had any issues with MSFS like you describe..

@@fly_with_nick nope id did nothing, resetted to default, uninstalled, installed msfs new, installed c++ new, resetted the rolling cash, but the sim is running if i ignore the msg 5 times ;) omg why did i change a running system ^^

@@harfentoni7463 did you get this fixed? I hope so. Im wondering if its perhaps unrelated to the IXTU.

curious, were you able to read what the subtitle at 3:23 says?

Care to elaborate? Undervolting decreases stability for lower power utilization but will not make your CPU ‘dead’. All settings revert upon instability. Lower temps generally lead to longer life vs ‘dead’. Same with GPU. The biggest CPU optimization was to turn the fan up. Does cooling your CPU more also lead to ‘dead’? Seriously interested in alternatives you have that can improve performance that lead to ‘less dead’ CPU/GPU? thanks!

@@ParallaxEffect The man's voltages are steadily at 1.4V. That's undervolting for you? It's literally on the upper edge of what you're supposed to be "feeding" the cpu. With a manual bios overclock you can easily achieve even higher overclock with voltages that literally never exceed 1.35V. In my case, i'm running i7 9700k@5ghz and i never go over 1.32V. I don't even HAVE to elaborate on anything, those values speak for themselves.

@@exeray6038 1. Vcore is constantly changing, not fixed 2. voltage at a given clock speed is dependent on cooling capacity 3. core voltage defaults are different for different chips (12th gen vs 9th gen) 4. each exact chip is different 5. undervolt can be set to be offset vs fixed, so seeing its ‘1.4v, thats not undervolting’ may be wrong, if the undervolt is an offset. So… theres not enough info at all (in about 5 different ways as described) to definitively declare ‘this will make your CPU dead and is the worse advice ever’.

​@@ParallaxEffect You've just sputtered so much nonsense, you clearly haven't a clue what you're talking about. Please, educate yourself first, then we can continue this discussion and i can elaborate in more detail.

@@ParallaxEffect Just so i point you in the right direction. 1) Ofcourse Vcore is changing, it's how high it's reaching that's the problem. I'm feeling nauseous just thinking about it lurking over 1.4 at just below 5% cpu utilisation. 2) Completely wrong. Voltage is directly raising the temperature. So taking care of the temperature at a certain voltage is pre-requisite to even start testing cpu operations at a certain power treshold. But high voltage is high voltage, it does not change the fact that high voltages will hurt the cpu no matter what the temperatures are. The optimum rule is keeping the voltage as low as possible, but as high as necessary to keep things stable at a certain frequency. 4. Exactly my point. There's a general consensus you can't just recommend certain OC settings generalized for everyone. And i didn't say anyone's cpu will straight up and die at these settings but you can be DAMN sure it's in pain and won't last nowhere near as long as a cpu that was never oc-ed. I don't even want to know what the voltages look like under heavy load here and i am not very sure it won't burn someone's cpu straight up. Also, i know very well what the voltages for 12th gen SHOULD look like. Now please, before you spout nonsenses around the web just because you ...like how you sound or something, please go read. I've been overclocking since you were in kindergarden. And lastly.....Didn't even bother to do a stress test, let alone recommend it. Lol. You can't get more noob than that.