Compressor Current and Potential Relays Explained

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Halligan142

Halligan142

6 жыл бұрын

Explaining the differences between current relays and potential relays and their role in starting compressors.

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@stevemccord8233
@stevemccord8233 5 жыл бұрын
The best explanation of these two relays. I’ve worked in the field for forty years and anyone who works in the hvacr industry needs to understand this concept. Watching this video is one of the best ways to learn current vs. potential starts. This guy did an outstanding job. Thank God for KZfaq.
@jollyscaria1922
@jollyscaria1922 6 күн бұрын
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@jamesurquhart5410
@jamesurquhart5410 5 жыл бұрын
The combination of the Schematic along with the bench explanation is an absolute key to understanding the operation. Most of us who have gotten into these trades do so for several reasons. One of them being the sit in class and learn through books without practical application is enough to bore us stiff. Again this combination is critical to understanding. Well done!
@tmst2199
@tmst2199 2 жыл бұрын
If you think you're sitting in class learning boring stuff, you're not really learning anything.
@stansmith439
@stansmith439 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best video I've ever seen on explaining the differences in these relays and how they work. Great Job! You are appreciated sir.
@robertgaitskell7212
@robertgaitskell7212 5 жыл бұрын
Your explanation was brilliant, I am a tradesman of 36 years I also us these compressor kits, i have used them for the last 15years, I believe in them so much for the last 10 years this is all I use, but I use 2in 1s I prefer to use the correct rated overload, that’s just my preference. I know I have stopped many unnecessary compressor replacements. 6mths ago I found a 2 in 1 that had failed it had been there for 12 years the compressor was 18yrs old the original relay and capacitor lasted 6years, I fitted another 2 in 1 and it is still going.Anyone who thinks these kits burn compressors out hasn’t given them a chance. Sure some fail but this is only because the compressor was damaged and was going to fail anyway. Well done with you’re video.
@mijodo2008
@mijodo2008 5 жыл бұрын
Simply one of the best explanations of this subject on the net. Mate, your blood is worth bottling. Cheers From Michael. Australia
@yeomansbob
@yeomansbob 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Covered everything needed but in an understandable way. Good info delivery ability. Keep it real!
@francoisguyot9770
@francoisguyot9770 5 жыл бұрын
Every clear and detailed explanation of an essential component of refrigeration systems that makes troubleshooting easier to perform. Thanks! Well done.
@sayedhussain8503
@sayedhussain8503 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, the gentlemen knows what's he talking out, he has a good experience .
@andrewvickery1898
@andrewvickery1898 6 жыл бұрын
Very informative and educational. I deal only with current relay systems at work and now have to fix the AC unit on my motorhome that is a potential system and was totally lost. Thank you so much for the video as I can now confidently diagnose the problem.
@waynepowell567
@waynepowell567 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent break down . One of the best that I have seen. You do a great job of presenting this as well. Really appreciate your video. Thanks again. Great stuff.Covering a subject that most do not and seems an important part of the industry.
@samsen201
@samsen201 6 жыл бұрын
Very educational. Thanks for explaining so well and clear. Well done job.
@NordicDan
@NordicDan 3 жыл бұрын
I like your explanation of the hard start kit. In a pinch I had to settle for a 2-wire since it was roasting outside and it was all I could get locally when my compressor began having trouble starting. I plan to change it out for a 5-2-1 as soon as I can to hopefully last until I change out the whole system.
@MrLaffertyheating
@MrLaffertyheating 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!! Look forward to the schematic series!! Thank u!
@kenzpenz
@kenzpenz 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I will never replace or work on my compressor, but this sure was interesting. Yes I watched it all the way through and no fast forwarding. I always wondered what makes things work and this video was very informative. Thanks for sharing...Ken
@raindropsrising7662
@raindropsrising7662 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Appreciate you putting everything together here. Watching for the 5th time and it's clear and AWESOME for a novice like me.
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd 2 жыл бұрын
After years of searching, i finally found your video, explaining something I always wondered about. If you don't know how these little things work, you have no hope of understanding a schematic wiring diagram.
@jerrymiller4754
@jerrymiller4754 8 ай бұрын
One of the best videos for start relays, etc on refrigerant compressor!
@CSSIandAssociate
@CSSIandAssociate 6 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation. In addition thanks for pointing out the contacts. Also, yes change everything. If you were doing it yourself you would. Done, piece of mind. No worries for a long time. In my home and on the vehicles. In the military we had something called. Preventative Maintenance Inspection Schedule. I think I retired in 2008 getting rusty on the acronyms. However if you schedule certain things they are taken care of. I do everything in the summer when it is easy. I now have a heated insulated garage which helps. Yet, summer time is best to tackle these items. Currently with the Hurricane I have just ordered the Transfer switch to the main breaker of the house so the generator can be hooked up just in case. After the fact kind of late.... Keep up the good vids. Very informative.
@jaimelopez7486
@jaimelopez7486 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation, clear, concise and precise, appreciated it very much.
@vernroach3413
@vernroach3413 5 жыл бұрын
As often as I have wanted to, I have never taken these relays apart since I knew what was going on in them, but this video is excellent at showing exactly how they work and I will use this technique since I soon, will be instructing again...I'd like to put one in every students hands for weeks, have them know them inside and out, like they make you take your rifles apart, again and again in the Army, until your know them personally...My thanks to the gent that made this video...Excellent work my friend.
@cdrive5757
@cdrive5757 3 жыл бұрын
SGT Gavens was satisfied only after we could strip and reassemble a Garand in the dark! ;-)
@v63vav
@v63vav 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you from Geosolar, Bulgaria!!! Very good explanation!
@kaundabwalya7776
@kaundabwalya7776 13 күн бұрын
Indeed this the best❤ video distinguishing between the two relays.. I agree with someone in the comment section.. Thanks 4 putting in the great effort Man🎉
@andrewcummings267
@andrewcummings267 5 жыл бұрын
REALLY ENJOY YOUR Experience and expression this video has been very interesting on those components hope to work with you one day
@jamesr.dubose6469
@jamesr.dubose6469 5 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Thanks so much of an excellent presentation.
@wdennis8
@wdennis8 6 жыл бұрын
Your video is fantastic. Your explanation is top notch. Thanks dude
@chrisshea4269
@chrisshea4269 4 жыл бұрын
Great video for me, who was trying to get some more context on how all these parts work for a DIY fridge repair. Installed a 3n1, but ultimately the compressor seized again ultimately the thermal fuse did not stop power the circuit breaker did.
@DOWNUNDER.
@DOWNUNDER. 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ! did a potential start relay today, got the terminals mussed up, got it running. But it's nice to see I eventually got it right
@sonyxperiathree4554
@sonyxperiathree4554 6 ай бұрын
First good video on the explanation of how to repair a non starting compressor. If you know how something is designed you can figure out your own troubleshooting approach and why it failed . Most of the people creating these types of how to videos don't have a clue as to how these systems work. They only tell how to throw on a Support 3 in 1 as a repair solution. After seeing this video I see why the Supco could damage a compressor. BTW the start capacitor is there to prevent the premature burning of the relay contacts (like the condenser used in old distributor/points automotive ignition systems) while the run capacitor is for power factor correction. This why the smaller HP compressor units don't have a start capacitor while larger (higher current compressors) do employ them as contact burning is more acute. Thanks for the great explanation of compressor starting circuits.
@Lvaman
@Lvaman 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent, thanks for the great clear explanation of how things work. My fridge works now! What was wrong? It has a PTC instead of the relay. It's a larger sized Danby. The PTC disc had a small piece broken off one side and a bit of corrosion and pitting. I sanded it all off, cleaned it up and wondered if it would still work. It did! So far so good. I'm still waiting for it to complete it's first cycle. Is there a polarity for the PTC? I noticed that one side is different but no markings.
@grahamswain7356
@grahamswain7356 7 ай бұрын
A wonderful video ,can impressed see again .So interesting much appreciated many thanks .
@Reftravun
@Reftravun 6 жыл бұрын
Very informative, thanks for posting it.
@knewland5455
@knewland5455 2 жыл бұрын
great explanation, I'm not in the field however am trouble shooting my u-line fridge. i understood your presentation completely. (Very Much Appreciated
@johnlorenz6795
@johnlorenz6795 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Great information. Thank you!
@gregrichard9192
@gregrichard9192 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Sir. Very informative. "The reason it's humming it's not because it do not know the words, but it's trying to start". 😀
@robertstugard1433
@robertstugard1433 5 жыл бұрын
I laughed out loud when he said this. Great job Halligan142!
@kurtbjohnsoninc
@kurtbjohnsoninc 3 жыл бұрын
BEST EXPLANATION TO NOVICE - thank you
@tenovertwelve
@tenovertwelve 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for making it.
@naeemmaqbool9311
@naeemmaqbool9311 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice explanation of two relays used in a copressor
@xraybravo7180
@xraybravo7180 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation and great speech skills
@brownzimba4745
@brownzimba4745 2 жыл бұрын
wow the best teacher i hv never had
@scottk0623
@scottk0623 3 жыл бұрын
I use them also, I have had good luck with the 3 in1 lasting. I try to find the cause of the original failure,most times it’s either a unit on its last leg or the condenser is PLUGGED or fan bad. I have no problem leaving it on the unit. Most customers don’t want to pay for the 2nd call to put OEM parts on a white elephant anyway. Great video thanks.
@stormfully
@stormfully 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've learned everything I needed to know :)
@marklennon1580
@marklennon1580 4 жыл бұрын
excellent training video!!!
@renantejosesiguiente1442
@renantejosesiguiente1442 5 жыл бұрын
thank you for the imformation, its a great help..
@Jimmyzb36
@Jimmyzb36 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Theory!!!!!!!
@advancednutritioninc908
@advancednutritioninc908 5 жыл бұрын
Great explanation! Thank You! Liked !! Subbed !!
@airmechanical7163
@airmechanical7163 6 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@softwarephil1709
@softwarephil1709 6 жыл бұрын
Great explanation!
@jeremysolis3185
@jeremysolis3185 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent excellent video 👍🏼 Thank you 🙏
@bfc919
@bfc919 6 ай бұрын
Excellent video, thanks!
@mannyfilmsinc
@mannyfilmsinc 6 жыл бұрын
What a great video, and great explanation on how these things work. THANK YOU! Would you use a 3-1 in a small ice cream freezer? You mentioned earlier the thermostat, but is there room to wire it to the 3-1? thanks
@samsen201
@samsen201 6 жыл бұрын
No expert here but 3n1 s have long cables and can be left in a far place if adjacent to compressor you have lack of it. Then at under $10, you have nothing to loss to try one and see if it will run your unit, first and then will continue to work fine or not, in coming days. You can't make it worse and hope is that small price tag of 3n1, bring the cold back.
@yozy4996
@yozy4996 6 жыл бұрын
Great job explaining...
@poolmotorrepairguyFL
@poolmotorrepairguyFL 2 жыл бұрын
The Florida pool pump motor bearing repair guy When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info
@abujamie3763
@abujamie3763 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you very much.
@hbradar1
@hbradar1 6 жыл бұрын
On a PSC MOTORS the start winding is in circuit all the time. Induction motor they drop out.
@guymcphee2518
@guymcphee2518 5 жыл бұрын
good details and well explained.
@billhill839
@billhill839 4 жыл бұрын
Great job, thanks!
@rlg222
@rlg222 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation!
@54egg
@54egg 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks. I was wondering if I could just measure voltage drop across hard start relay at start up, expecting maybe just a few volts until compressor gets running. One thing that did occur to me was to disconnect fan for compressor start up test so I can better hear compressor start or not. Of course not leaving fan off for more than short test.
@romeogad6680
@romeogad6680 Жыл бұрын
very well explained, that helped me a lot thank you
@evelyn367
@evelyn367 3 жыл бұрын
nice one buddy it been said previously great vid great explanation
@billyharrison4126
@billyharrison4126 6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant info, thankyou
@richardhowlin6048
@richardhowlin6048 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation 👌 sometimes someone can just explain something and it just clicks
@ihateemael
@ihateemael 6 жыл бұрын
really well done thanks.
@nickush7512
@nickush7512 2 жыл бұрын
Superb Dude, many thanks.
@howardostfeld3802
@howardostfeld3802 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation for the "lay" person. May I suggest that you add a PTC relay in series to the start winding in your very first diagram? Otherwise, the relay through the run winding will always keep the start winding in the circuit. Also, may I suggest you change 120V to 240V? Most heat pumps and condensing units use 240VRMS single phase. Keep up the good work when you have time and if you need help with future presentations that get further into it, let me know. I have oscilloscopes and a lot of instrumentation equipment.
@Do_the_Dishes
@Do_the_Dishes 4 жыл бұрын
Howard Ostfeld, You seem like the person to answer a question since you picked up on that fact. If I may ask. Concerning these “Hard Start Kits”. I know that the start capacitor and start windings are there to shift the phase in order to get rotation going. Are the kits simply there to increase the capacitance? If so, why doesn’t the manufacture simply use a higher rating capacitor? Can these start kits create too much starting torque or cause other problems elsewhere? Thank you in advance.
@howardostfeld3802
@howardostfeld3802 3 жыл бұрын
@@Do_the_Dishes Hello, I just saw your question. I want to give you an accurate and quantitative answer. It can get quite mathematical involving capacitive reactance and inductive reactance involving phase angles. These involve vectors. Let me know how far into it you want to go. The general answer to your question is that the combined inductance and capacitance has to be matched to the operating characteristics of the motor in the compressor to produce enough phase shift between the voltage and current for the motor to start turning. A simplistic analogy is, if you are not in the right gear for the engine speed for a manual transmission the car will not run smoothly. Thanks. Hope you reply.
@rj.parker
@rj.parker Жыл бұрын
There are two scenarios described in the video. The FIRST is a fractional hp 115vac motor. In most cases these are called single phase induction motors, either cap start or cap run. The usual wiring has their cap in series with a switch or current relay. The SECOND scenario are larger several hp single phase compressors, typically 240vac 1-5 ton systems. These are PSC (Permanent Split Capacitor) Motors. On those, a capacitor is "Permanently" in series with the start winding. It is called a Run Cap and allows continuous start winding current. The amount of current is limited by the uf size of the Run cap. For a larger compressor, the Run Cap may be sized at 30-80 uf. A "hard start" kit for a typical single phase PSC motor adds another bigger cap in parallel to the Run cap "Temporarily" for more start winding current. The hard start cap, often around ~300uf, is switched out by a potential relay as soon as the motor comes up in speed. However in a PSC motor, the Permanent Split (Run) Capacitor stays in the circuit. Finally most PSC compressors in the last 25 years are scrolls which usually don't need extra hard start kits and use only their Run caps to allow current to their start windings.
@diazcuba
@diazcuba 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, This is a great explanation of how a compressor winding is put together, my problem is that I have only two wires going to the connector and only on two of the pins of the compressor. I'm not getting any continuity on the one pin where there's no wire going to it. My questions are: Are all pins supposed to have continuity between each other, the one that has no wires has no continuity? If there is no wire going to the right pin on the connector of the compressor, does it still need to have continuity? I need to know if my compressor is bad.
@railroad9000
@railroad9000 6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks.
@JoshKilen
@JoshKilen 6 жыл бұрын
very nice info, does this work with normal air compressors?
@footprintsinconc
@footprintsinconc 5 жыл бұрын
2yrs ago, the 45/7.5 capacitor died, and now the fan side of the 45/7.5 capacitor died 1 week ago and i found the compressor humming (wasn't cooling house down). it must have been humming for 5hrs or so before i realized the house was not cooling down. i bought a new 45/7.5 dual run capacitor, and i also bought a 5-2-1 brand (csru2 model) and added it to my carrier 4Ton ac that is 6yrs old. i added it because from what i have read it helps start the compressor start faster and thus helps with its life....questions: 1) is it true that it helps with compressor life? should i have added this? 2) you said that once a capacitor goes out, we should replace the relay...which capacitor are you talking about, the 45/7.5 dual run capacitor or the 5-2-1 added capacitor? 3) how do i know looking at the unit what size my dual run capacitor should be...is there a sticker on the body of the unit that should say so (can't find that info on the my stickers)?
@edmundochaparro-barriguete1215
@edmundochaparro-barriguete1215 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. A little observation; a pronunciation between Star or stock I was confused. Another issue; if my refrigerator does not have a visible capacitor, together with the relay, where is it located?
@jamesleyes590
@jamesleyes590 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for best explanation god bless
@chamindapeiris897
@chamindapeiris897 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks from Sri Lanka
@dennisjones1961able
@dennisjones1961able 4 жыл бұрын
very informative video well done
@stanwei157
@stanwei157 6 жыл бұрын
I think you should explain how alternating current start capacitors' phase shift and motor's "BACK EMF" voltage created to drop (open) the starting circuit relay out as soon as the motor is running.
@rickstadel5285
@rickstadel5285 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not so sure: If the viewer needs that explained, they're probably missing some needed background in electrical theory, without which 'phase shift' and 'back EMF' might only confuse them further.
@CarterWHern
@CarterWHern 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@charleseggers6176
@charleseggers6176 9 ай бұрын
Thanks. Very informative 👍
@KH-kv2yq
@KH-kv2yq 6 жыл бұрын
Good job!
@sirvaldo54
@sirvaldo54 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for this video.
@hondagoal
@hondagoal 6 жыл бұрын
THX. for this video.
@Andrew-xs4qy
@Andrew-xs4qy 4 жыл бұрын
appreciate the video
@beaverman011
@beaverman011 4 жыл бұрын
Great Video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, learned a lot. Just had one comment. All these burned contacts which can lead to major failures, I wonder why there's no component to help absorb that electrical arc. All the old automobiles with points and condenser ignition used the condenser to protect the points from burning. You would think they could incorporate a condenser of some sort into the system. Just a thought, I'm no engineer. Thanks again
@n.mcneil4066
@n.mcneil4066 2 жыл бұрын
Actually the automotive condenser is a capacitor. In the small fridge current relay the capacitor is in parallel to the contacts in the same way as the condenser (capacitor) is in parallel with the contact points of the ignition,
@user-po2rt4se6s
@user-po2rt4se6s 2 жыл бұрын
Great work thanks 🙏 a lot
@isobar5857
@isobar5857 3 жыл бұрын
So helpful...thank you.
@veganath
@veganath 4 жыл бұрын
*"It doesn''t hum because it forgot the words"* ....LMAO Thanks
@marshakelvins5103
@marshakelvins5103 4 жыл бұрын
that was very helpful
@pavankumar-zm8jm
@pavankumar-zm8jm 5 жыл бұрын
Good explanation man. I wonder that i watched a complete 27;16 min video... Where are you working man.. Ni
@juliand2709
@juliand2709 3 жыл бұрын
great explanation...
@billi1643
@billi1643 6 жыл бұрын
Good Video, and thanks for not trying to sell me a zoom lock!
@Halligan142
@Halligan142 6 жыл бұрын
I don't and probably never will trust those things no matter what anyone says. Hell I still don't trust PEX and propress
@nogeek43
@nogeek43 6 жыл бұрын
Good information and well done. Now I can talk more intelligently with my HVAC repair man.
@somkiattjmanmark49
@somkiattjmanmark49 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome vdo
@picwick57
@picwick57 Жыл бұрын
Installed an RCO410 last year worked great until recently after 2 days without power. would not start compressor for fridge to get up & running once power came back on. I ordered another one hopefully it solves the issue.
@rj.parker
@rj.parker 6 жыл бұрын
Another option for single phase Copeland compressors is *Secure Start* by *Emerson* (actually a rebrand of an Australian company). It provides an electronic soft start capability to ensure zero crossing and low amperage startups. The Australian company is *Hyper Engineering* and the same single phase product is called *Sure* *Start* . They also sell a three phase soft start. Of course the new "inverter" based systems also are soft start inherently and are actually three phase vfd driven at the compressor even when sourced by single phase.
@glasser2819
@glasser2819 5 жыл бұрын
Txs for this info. "soft-starters" are great to prevent destructive in-rush and preserve bearings on all electric motors greater than 1/2 Hp.
@naseemqureshi1966
@naseemqureshi1966 4 жыл бұрын
Very well explained
@jeanfrancois7470
@jeanfrancois7470 Жыл бұрын
Thankyou for good Explanation
@maar5725
@maar5725 2 жыл бұрын
' شكراِ لّك ؛ Thanks ; It's very informative .
@Sor91785
@Sor91785 3 жыл бұрын
Those start winding's look like they are getting amps regardless of that current relay being open or closed in your diagram. The only thing I can think is that it wont overheat because the electricity will take the path of least resistance through the run winding's. I'm in school right now and our teacher is having us connect a pictorial diagram together with a current relay and overload- the relay has N.C contacts, and so far it seems like to me like L1 should feed power to the current relay first and then onto the motor so it can actually isolate the start winding when that switch opens from the electromagnetism. Would love to hear your thoughts, friend.
@usarefurb2220
@usarefurb2220 6 жыл бұрын
Good job
@Gary-ts6dh
@Gary-ts6dh 4 жыл бұрын
9:06 - The click you hear might be the Choral "conductor" tapping his baton on the music stand indicating he wants the compressor to stop humming that (60Hz) pitch. 13:43 - a little dot of silver solder on each of those contact points, and you're back up and running.
@mojetrouba
@mojetrouba 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this really helpful video. I’m a bit confused on the capacitor wiring. It seems to me, when the starting relay closes, it takes the start capacitor out of the circuit (it is shorted out) so how is that capacitor helping to start the motor? And, if true, once the relay drops out, it looks like the capacitor is in series with the start winding which I think is more like a run capacitor. But then it should be in the Run leg???
@dantronics1682
@dantronics1682 4 жыл бұрын
the cap is to stop arcing when the starter switch opens
@Do_the_Dishes
@Do_the_Dishes 4 жыл бұрын
Dadla Ponizil , I was reading the comments to see if anyone else picked up on that. The start capacitor should be in series with the switch; only the run capacitor would parallel it so his print is wrong. In addition, the cap is not to stop arcing in this case. It is to shift the phase in order to start the rotation going.
@rj.parker
@rj.parker Жыл бұрын
There are two scenarios described in the video. The FIRST is a fractional hp 115vac motor. In most cases these are called single phase induction motors, either cap start or cap run. The usual wiring has their cap in series with a switch or current relay. The SECOND scenario are larger several hp single phase compressors, typically 240vac 1-5 ton systems. These are PSC (Permanent Split Capacitor) Motors. On those, a capacitor is "Permanently" in series with the start winding. It is called a Run Cap and allows continuous start winding current. The amount of current is limited by the uf size of the Run cap. For a larger compressor, the Run Cap may be sized at 30-80 uf. A "hard start" kit for a typical single phase PSC motor adds another bigger cap in parallel to the Run cap "Temporarily" for more start winding current. The hard start cap, often around ~300uf, is switched out by a potential relay as soon as the motor comes up in speed. However in a PSC motor, the Permanent Split (Run) Capacitor stays in the circuit. Finally most PSC compressors in the last 25 years are scrolls which usually don't need extra hard start kits and use only their Run caps to allow current to their start windings.
@johnmgriffin3060
@johnmgriffin3060 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!!!
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