Computing Multivariable Limits Algebraically

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TYPO: The point (2,3) in the second example really should be (3,2) throughout.
In our intro video on multivariable limits we saw how to show a limit does not exist by the two path test: • Limits are...weird...f...
In this video we're going to show that the limit of a multivariable function DOES exist by using a range of algebraic tricks such as factoring or multiplying by the radical conjugate. The idea is to manipulate the indeterminate form until such point as you can plug in the numbers. We also take a look at algebraic limit laws for multivariable functions.
0:00 Intro & 1st Example
1:50 Limit Laws
4:50 Factoring Example
7:17 Radical Conjugate Example
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@huseyn.asadullah 4 жыл бұрын

5:14 I think the numerator and the denominator are not going to zero at that point!🙄

@martivij 3 жыл бұрын

i think that the mistake is in (x,y)->(2,3) , it would be (x,y)->(3,2) for the indetermitation. good videos! thanks :) (sorry by my english)

@huseyn.asadullah 3 жыл бұрын

@@martivij He noticed in the description

@martivij 3 жыл бұрын

@@huseyn.asadullah 😅 oops

@ketaninampudi235 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, this was driving me crazy

@emanuellandeholm5657 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I was feeling so gaslit. :D I agree he probably mixed up the 2 and the 3.

@bebarshossny5148 4 жыл бұрын

Bro you legit need to make more multivariable calc videos I have never seen a better educator You, sal khan and 3blue1brown are legit gems when it comes to giving the intuition behind the math Thanks a lot man

@gateclub218 3 жыл бұрын

You must try professor leonard lectures then

@coleyoutubechannel Жыл бұрын

blackpenredpen!! makes good vids too

@SP1KEY 8 ай бұрын

@@coleyoutubechannel He usually focuses on single variable though I don't know if he even has any content on MVC

@sjn7220 4 жыл бұрын

In your 2nd example, isn’t the bottom 3 (3*3-2*3)?

@connorkokora3014 Жыл бұрын

Teachers like you present math in color, and I don't say that just because this is a video in in color. There is energy in the words you say that illuminates the abstract concepts. Thank you.

@tanayc8679 4 жыл бұрын

It's awesome that you are making such helpful math videos through this pandemic - thank you!!

@ayushpatel5923 4 жыл бұрын

This series is really helpful! Appriciate it a ton!!

@gabenuss3063 2 жыл бұрын

5:53 I would point out that the numerator factors by grouping. I think that would clear some of the ambiguity of guessing and checking how the multivariable polynomial could be factored. In general, factoring a multivariable polynomial involves some kind of factoring by grouping, a concept familiar to many from algebra class.

@pragalbhawasthi1618 4 жыл бұрын

Really helpful!! Please keep uploading such informative videos..

@continnum_radhe-radhe 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much sir for this wonderful course 🔥

@balerion_the_dread 3 жыл бұрын

Sir there was three in the denominator. So we could plug the values of x and y directly, i guess. (3y-xy)

@amansingh-ww2qc 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks and love u ,no one taught better than u I am far away from my class syllabus because to take classes from u seems to be watching movie in theatre

@planedutch6494 2 жыл бұрын

TREFOR, YOU ARE A LEGEND!!!

@madghostek3026 2 жыл бұрын

6:30 here's a explaination why its allowed to cancel these out without disturbing the limit (this applies for single variable limits as well): lim (x,y)->(3,2) (y^2+2)(x-3)/y(3-x) = (y^2+2)/y * -(x-3)/(x-3) the first term is continuous at 3,2 so the limit is just value of function, equals 11/3. The second term is pretty much a piecewise function of form : {undefined for x=3, 1 for any other x}. Now, recall the scary epsilon delta definition of limit, if you can find arbitrarily small region around x0 (not necessarily including x0), where value of function is arbitrarily close to some value L, then the L is a limit at x0. From the piecewise form we clearly see the function is 1 everywhere but at x=3, so clearly the limit will be L=1. So by cancelling we are removing a discontinuity, I actually don't exactly know why algebraic cancelling works, maybe it just happens to, but it can be justified by this longer proof.

@mattweiman5144 3 жыл бұрын

I'm new to multivariable calc. At 5:14, could you use L'Hopital's Rule?

@husamalsayed8036 3 жыл бұрын

i did the second example in factoring the numerator with (x + y - 4) = (sqrt(x + y) - 2)(sqrt(x + y) + 2) and then canceling the (sqrt(x + y) - 2) in the bottom it turns out to be the same thing just like to share thanks for the video

@manasladdha4601 2 жыл бұрын

Sir, can you make a video on the ε-δ approach?

@BC-zv5dt 3 жыл бұрын

At 6:13, in order to explain the cancellation would it be more straightforward to factorise a -1 from the (x-3) or (3-x) to cancel the the notation out? It seems more intuitive to explain that way. A huge fan of the series by the way. Thanks for putting together!

@DrTrefor 3 жыл бұрын

That works too, and thank you!

@dantepillon 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, I had a question, but firstly great video and thank you for making series like these :) So I was wondering in the conjugate example, why do we need that restriction, should we be able to still evaluate the limit in the same way without it, and if not, how do we know when we don't have restrictions, that the limit is undefined? Also another question I had was, if a limit goes to multiple values depending on the path, is there a way we can define the set of all values it approaches? It seems that it is against the spirit of limits to just say it doesn't exist and then job finished, isnt it is better to make a distinction between a limit that really doesn't exist anywhere on the function and a limit that exists for a set of restrictions and can be defined in a set of real numbers?

@nayjer2576 Жыл бұрын

I think you have to decline it at first but can allow that x + y = 4, when you canceled out the one term.

@nonentity168 9 ай бұрын

Great critical thinking there! May you keep it up and hope Trefor will reply soon.

@dantepillon 9 ай бұрын

@@nonentity168 thanks man, but it's 2 years later lol, I don't think he's replying

@admiralhyperspace0015 4 жыл бұрын

Is there some extension of L'Hopital rule in higher variable calculus?

@vyshakhkrishnant2781 4 жыл бұрын

Nice sir

@Bermatematika 4 жыл бұрын

You missed two more ways. First, by using the squeeze theorem and second by using the epsilon-delta definition :D.

@akshitabatra2500 3 жыл бұрын

How can we solve? (X^2 y)/(x^2 + 3Y^2)

@alessiabognolo7662 3 жыл бұрын

What could we do in situations when we cannot apply these tricks? For example if we have some ugly function/limit like (y*x^2)/(x^4 +y^2) as (x,y) tends to (0,0)? And thanks a lot for your channel and your work, it's wonderful

@DrTrefor 3 жыл бұрын

If you can’t manipulate it algebraically to use some more elementary limit laws, then it becomes pretty hard!

@nayjer2576 Жыл бұрын

set y = x and see the limit isn't equal

@marialuisalino2915 3 жыл бұрын

thanks a lot ♥

@DrTrefor 3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome 😊

@marcelukeje3510 8 ай бұрын

Great video sir.🎉🎉 Although I thought you were going to teach how to prove that a limit exists when we have tried all those paths and we got the same answers. Do you have a video for that?

@Dina-he1uc 3 жыл бұрын

thaankkk you

@suhailawm 4 жыл бұрын

Tnx sir

@markbell8967 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@markbell8967 3 жыл бұрын

"We don't care what's happening at the point, we care what is happening around the point." !!!!!!!

@JoseFerreira-de7oe 3 жыл бұрын

I have a question... Why can we calculate the first limit simply by plugging in the values of x and y? Shouldn't we check if the limit exists by restricting the function?

@DrTrefor 3 жыл бұрын

that's fine UNLESS doing so means something like division by zero

@jeffrey8770 3 жыл бұрын

Nice vid! Would you consider making more videos on multivariable limits or are the 2 in your calc 3 playlist the only ones you plan to have? Either way thanks!

@DrTrefor 3 жыл бұрын

Only got a couple right now as I work on vector calc and ODEs. However I know that calc 3 is still quite light in a few places so I do mean to come back and fill in as time goes on (it was originally for a flipped classroom, not an entire online course)

@-baxtyarmaths4556 4 жыл бұрын

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@aashsyed1277 2 жыл бұрын

9:55 you assumed x+y was not 4 and then you pluged in so x+y=4?

@ryan811 Жыл бұрын

You have great videos but there is a mistake here. You have (x,y) going to (2,3) meaning x is 2 and y is 3. Substituting those values into the denominator 3(3) - 2(3) = 3, not zero. Likewise, the numerator goes to -11. I think that perhaps you meant (x,y) is going to (3,2)?