Conclusion of our Far infrared heating experiment, is it a viable option to heat my home ?

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Chris Hill

Chris Hill

Жыл бұрын

I will
Be really intrested in what others think of this expeiment and would you upgrade and spend the extra money on a heat pump if you were in my situation ?
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@mambagr
@mambagr 7 ай бұрын
Some ideas to improve on the panel usage. 1. Their efficiency improves with size. Minimum i use is 800w to heat bedrooms and such and 1100 panels for north facing rooms or lounge. 2. Use on outside or coldest wall if you can. They create a better temp gradient. 3. Radiant heat is slow acting and temp sensors do not measure it correctly. With home assistant you can use timers to turn panels on and off every few minutes to allow for the time delay for heat absorption. You can use the climate entity to control the plugs and measure the temp increase per hour to modify their usage so that they maintain the temperature rate you want. This combination works like a very smart thermostat and can all be done from inside home assistant. The result is you never use them at their rated power continuously but get the desired result and COP is above 1.
@petersmith9595
@petersmith9595 8 ай бұрын
IR heaters work really well in new buildings especially with the insulation you need .They can be installed with solar panels and batteries on a cheap tariff Flexible octopus 14.70p / kWh from 12.30 am to 7.30 am all other times 34.34p .IR heaters work better on the ceiling than walls
@brackcycle9056
@brackcycle9056 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting , It would be interesting to hear what a Heat Loss survey predicts for heat energy needed to keep your home at that temperature. Also factor the HP & radiators materials & their foot print . The refrigerant especially R290 has a Global Warming Potential of 3 & R32 CWP 675 & R410A 2088 . So a multi split system running R32 or R410A can wipe out CO2 saving if the gas leaks. but a R290 monoblock is less intense. Also Riddle this : One 15Mw offshore wind turbine , costs ( all figures approx) £25M can run 10,000 homes with heat pumps. , The £5,000 grant for those 10,000 heat pumps is £50M which would buy 2 more off shore wind turbines, which is enough to heat those same homes on resistive heating . Is the Rare Earth metals & copper windings in 10,000 heat pumps more or less than 2 large windturbines? The Maintenance, & eventual replacement of the extra 2 windturbines is less than the maint of the 10,000 heat pumps too. AND there is more Spare electricity all summer . ( hydrogen/efuel for planes?) . Spend the £50m grant on the heat pumps , with another £50M from the home owners & you have expensive stuff sitting around doing very little all summer. So I'm not even sure Heat Pumps are greener that "more wind turbines". -- Unless we run out of wind turbine spaces. The cost of electricity at the Windturbine is less than 5p/Kwh & once the wire is there it delivers is self (unlike Pumping gas or coal / oil lorries) . So is it more the electricity pricing model , rather than science & ecology that is necessitating heat pumps? Alot of folk quote £250 for a heat pump service, which is high compared to , more dangerous, gas boiler. Heat pump service , like car service, should be a DIY activity.
@barryhaeger4284
@barryhaeger4284 7 ай бұрын
You make a good point and if we allowed Air to Air to be on a level playing field we wouldn't have expensive kit idle 6 months of the year and it would help balance the consumption on the grid between Winter and Sumer better. Probably if Electricity pricing was decoupled from gas price and allowed electricity producers to be rewarded for producing with the lowest cost energy source electricity prices would make it a no-brainer to switch to electrical heating and transportation too. But that's never going to happen which people in power who could make those decisions are in the pockets of the fossil fuel industry
@gcbus2
@gcbus2 Жыл бұрын
Excellent summary Chris.
@glyn1782
@glyn1782 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@ShortVersion1
@ShortVersion1 Жыл бұрын
Hard to say if you should add HP. We did opposite order of experiments. Had HP, then added IR panels to some rooms, ran whole house hotter. If I could JUST use IR, maybe would've but the HP is really nice too, just uses much more energy as our primary heat.
@johntisbury
@johntisbury Жыл бұрын
A sound conclusion Chris and agree with your thoughts. You would benefit from the £5K BUS scheme if you had a heat pump, I think £10K for a good installation would be the figure you were looking at. I guess the longterm factor we cannot control is the unit cost of electricity and how that plays into the pricing / cost benefit model. A topic for a regular review I guess.
@AllElectricLiving
@AllElectricLiving Жыл бұрын
Nothing sits still John , I’m actually thinking about a DIY install of a heat pump , I have enough data to calculate the heat loss and the data for actual heat loss, but what about a very small heat pump and in the coldest of days just have the IR panels helping out
@johntisbury
@johntisbury Жыл бұрын
@@AllElectricLiving you might want look at a small A2A unit and benefit from cold and heat.
@AllElectricLiving
@AllElectricLiving Жыл бұрын
The only thing I don’t want to happen is get a heat pump and realise IR is better than people think or uses less , heat pumps are always compared to gas boilers and not direct electric heating , or something off the wall like a infra red wave
@AllElectricLiving
@AllElectricLiving Жыл бұрын
@@johntisbury yes it has crossed my mind but the house layout does not lend itself to that kind of system
@VodkaBear1
@VodkaBear1 Жыл бұрын
Very detailed data. Are the IR panel sizes working well in each room? Or under or over spec'd anywhere? Pondering trying IR in couple of rooms as a starter
@AllElectricLiving
@AllElectricLiving Жыл бұрын
It’s more a case of if there smaller in the bigger rooms they take longer to heat the room, they all managed even on the coldest of days
@robinbennett5994
@robinbennett5994 7 ай бұрын
If I understood your numbers, during the coldest month you used an average of under 2kW for heating. How about a small air-to-air heat pump to provide about that much in the middle of your house, and keep the IR heaters to warm any cold spots and as a boost for really cold days. I've just had a 3kW unit (that's the output) installed for about £2,000 and it claims a COP of nearly 5. It's not eligible for a grant though, and it can't do hot water.
@AllElectricLiving
@AllElectricLiving 7 ай бұрын
Rather than look at in on a month basis average , on the coldest day -7 degrees I used 77 kWh which is a average of 3.2 kw of heat loss per hour at -7 , due to the increased ASHP grant of £7500 I am having a heat pump installed in spring for £2490 plus the grant money , but the heat loss in the property according to the heat loss calculations is 7200 watts at -2 so some interesting times next winter
@robinbennett5994
@robinbennett5994 7 ай бұрын
@@AllElectricLiving That sounds like a sensible choice. I'd forgotten that the grant had changed since your video was made.
@timcx
@timcx 6 ай бұрын
Hi thanks for video, very interesting, what do you use to measure you external temperature with the high and low figure?
@AllElectricLiving
@AllElectricLiving 6 ай бұрын
I use the met office data ,
@timcx
@timcx 6 ай бұрын
@@AllElectricLiving Thanks I will see if i can find that for my area. EDIT had a look but I can only find a single temperature for my postcode, any hints on how to find high/Low. Thanks
@aperson1181
@aperson1181 9 ай бұрын
where to get in the USA?
@AllElectricLiving
@AllElectricLiving 8 ай бұрын
I’m in the UK and got most of them from here www.warm4less.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjwnOipBhBQEiwACyGLuqfOUEHrOsNrXpf225Fu8vlwb_mlVKfkyd6z_D_9Hzh9IQmAbE9j9xoCVlMQAvD_BwE Have you tried Amazon ?
@TimWigan
@TimWigan Жыл бұрын
Amazed you only used 5000kwh per year.. I have a 1930 semi which uses 19000kwh of gas!! What standard of house insulation do you have?
@AllElectricLiving
@AllElectricLiving Жыл бұрын
We used to use 15000 kWh of Gas including hot water before we had the gas removed , since then we have had half the house triple glazed and added insulation to the 1970s wall cladding , so not a direct comparison
@andymoore9977
@andymoore9977 11 ай бұрын
@@AllElectricLiving I am sure that triple glazing and wall cladding would make some difference but 10,000 kWh? Maybe IR is just more efficient in some ways like its flexible zonal heating etc so simply cannot be directly compared with gas central heating (or even ASHP)? Comparing apples with oranges?
@AllElectricLiving
@AllElectricLiving 11 ай бұрын
@@andymoore9977 IR is slightly different that it heat items in the home rather than air ,
@andymoore9977
@andymoore9977 11 ай бұрын
@@AllElectricLiving So would I be right in thinking comparing the kWh usage of gas powered central heating with kWh use for IR is like comparing apples with oranges? Our oil boiler is clapped out as is the wet radiator system. Total cost to fix it all about £12k or to replace with ASHP. No mains gas. House is 400 years old and all practical insulation options have long since been implemented. Currently using 17500 kWh pa of heating oil. I wonder if IR could reduce this to say 6000 kWh of electricity - we already have 3 x 700 kWh and 2 x 1000 kWh IR panels purchased second hand for £400 but working OK ready to install .
@robertp.wainman4094
@robertp.wainman4094 8 ай бұрын
Interesting review - I like the idea of heating without all the ugly and complex pipework and controls plus regular servicing of a heat pump wet central heating system - but am confused by infrared 'heating people and objects' rather than the air......does this mean when entering a house with infrared it feels cold until you're inline with the heater?
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