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Don't hate on Deanna. She is great counselor but Guinan has 1000 years of life experience watching people and understanding humanoid behavior.

Guinan basically just vetted Ro to Picard, letting him know she can be trusted, powerful...

Guinan is just the right person to talk to when things get rough.

+1

It’s a certain level of trust. As he said to Ro, she’s selective about who she calls a friend, and knows she wouldn’t just abuse her position to Picard.

Picard and Guinan are very close and Picard trusts her unconditionally

That was the very next line of dialogue. Shame it was cut!

Yup. Especially since as she has met him as a younger woman some 500 years earlier (although he hasn't experience this timeline yet).

The way Picard falls silent after she says that. She has his ear like nobody else on that ship.

@@nnthayer I don't know, I think Beverly does.

@@Locutus Beverly has something else of Picard's

Troi met her match a long time ago.

She wasn't being a counselor. She was being a *friend.* There's a difference between your shrink and your confidant.

@@aggressiveattitudeera887 she's a good listener, 👍

@@TheZetaKai Troi (feeling Ro): "I sense nothing!!" Guinan: "She's my friend!!" (smile and wink wink)

@@aggressiveattitudeera887 True, but she also has centuries of life experience.

It's how she maintains her influence with him as well. He's wise enough to know she's wise enough to handle that privilege responsibly.

She's not that wise in real life. But then, that's what acting is about.

Did she decide on this ride or die friendship based on a 35 second conversation in a bar?

Plot armor @@hansolo631!

​@@hansolo631she listened hard enough for 35 seconds

@@hansolo631guinan knows roe's fate in 356 parallel universes. In one of them roe and tasha yar have a steamy love affair!

Other than maybe Beverly sometimes

Everyone does that once. Guinan is the only one to do it often

Data's done it. Every other season or so. Then literally died putting Picard back on the Enterprise.

@@glynncordry5965 Literally putting Picard back in his place.

she's his command master chief!

Listening is a form of learning. And it is difficult to send and receive at the same time. At least intellectually.

It was more explicit in Best of Both Worlds when she was talking to Riker about Picard being assimilated. Guinan: "Oh... Then let me just say that... our relationship is beyond friendship, beyond family. And I *will* let him go. And you must do the same. There can only be one Captain."

Guinan was not a guest character, she was part of the main cast and you can't convince me otherwise.

Ro was easily one of my favorite characters. I feel like she got some of Tasha Yars’ character beats.

@Koowluh yeah...

Also, Ro has an interest in horticulture.

Pillow fight...?

Yeah, TEN forward....

Ro was confined to quarters. Presumably, you can visit a person confined to quarters, as long as they don't leave.

Ro: "How could they give you security clearance to visit a military prisoner like me?" Guinan: "Have you ever heard the expression, 'Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger'?" Ro: "No." Guinan: "The guard outside has."

A man named Sam Clemens. Hoo! Ha! He knew how to spin a tale! Ha, hoo! He's obviously dead. Look, I can get you a meeting with Picard, you can say you're sorry or whatever....

Camera immediately cuts to Picard. That should've told you there's something between them to be revealed in a future episode...

Especially ironic sense if Michelle Forbes had not turned the role down would have continued playing Ro on DS9 instead we got Kira which probably end up working out better

@@sokagofferenginar8669 yeah Ro was good. Idk if she was good like Nana Visitor good though.

@@sokagofferenginar8669 what's even wilder is if the original Janeway had stayed. Cannot believe she was the first choice and they committed her to production! The few scenes she was in were so awful 😂

Also Time's Arrow

While it's a strong line, "best line in all of Star Trek" is a bit much. My personal best line ever in Trek would probably be Garak from In the Pale Moonlight: "If your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant. And all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal, and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain. "

I have plenty of advice, but I will not explain why Q hates me...

😅

It's really too bad that her character was a racist caricature. Many (including myself until recently) just don't realize it because Guinan did such a great job, and the writers gave her a lot to work with.

@@TheEDFLegacy A caricature of which race?

@@TheEDFLegacy She's a member of got-damned alien species. Why in the world would you make this ridiculous claim?

@@AndyCutright Search the Hollywood trope of the "Magical Negro". That should answer your questions. In short, it's an African American with some kind of magical-like powers that escape reason. In one of Steve Shives's videos, titled "Is Commander Riker More Useless Than Counselor Troi? . . . and Other Questions" at 7:30, he responds to a commenter who brought this whole concept to my attention, and Steve agreed with them. In short, Guinan has strange mystical abilities, and her character's done in a way that makes her extremely mysterious, and we never truly get a solid answer most of the time. That's not to say that Guinan as a character wasn't enjoyable. I love Guinan, and I love Whoopi Goldberg's acting in the role. All I'm saying is that they used a very blatant trope that - if it were to be used today, would likely gain significantly _more_ controversy than it did in its time. TV Tropes gives a _really_ good breakdown on it: " _In order to show the world that minority characters are not bad people, one will step forward to help a "normal" person, with their pure heart and folksy wisdom. They are usually black and/or poor, but may come from another oppressed minority. They step (often clad in a clean, white suit) into the life of the much more privileged (and, in particular, almost always white) central character and, in some way, enrich that central character's life. If the Magical Negro (also known as Magic Negro or Mystical Negro) is from a society of Noble Savages, expect an Anvilicious Aesop about the failings of the protagonist's society - which usually leads to the protagonist "Going Native"_ . _With such deep spiritual wisdom (and sometimes - though not always - actual supernatural powers), you might wonder why the Magical Negro doesn't step up and save the day himself. This will never happen. So enlightened and selfless is he that he has no desire to gain glory for himself; he only wants to help those who need guidance... which just happens to mean those who are traditionally viewed by Hollywood as better suited for protagonist roles, not, say, his own oppressed people. In fact, the Magical Negro really seems to have no goal in life other than helping white people achieve their fullest potential; he may even be ditched or killed outright once he's served that purpose. If he does express any selfish desires, it will only be in the context of helping the white protagonists realize their own racism and thereby become better people_ . _Bonus points if this character is a priest of Vodoun. If female, they will nearly always also be a Sassy Black Woman_ . _See also Whoopi Epiphany Speech, Token Black Friend, and Mammy. For a similar trope about women, see Manic Pixie Dream Girl (as well as Disposable Woman and The Bechdel Test); the Magical Girlfriend may play a similar role for her love interest, but is not necessarily an example of this. For the gay version see Magical Queer (who may also be black). The disabled version of this is Inspirationally Disadvantaged. When a non-minority character is portrayed this way, the character is usually a Sidekick Ex Machina. Similar in vein to the Magical Native American, though that trope tends to be more explicitly magical. Also similar to Magical Asian, when an Asian character, often with supernatural abilities, fulfills a mentor role to a white character. Another related trope is White Man's Burden, where the plot is about an ordinary white person who befriends an underprivileged minority character. Related to Magical Romani, which is about Romani characters having magical abilities (or otherwise associated with the supernatural). Also compare Magical Jew_ . _The term "Magical Negro" was popularized by Spike Lee during a lecture denouncing this trope_ ." It also references Guinan specifically under its examples: " _Guinan in Star Trek: The Next Generation, played by Whoopi Goldberg, is an El-Aurian, a member of a race with an almost supernatural sense of time and space. She's Picard's Token Black Friend, but she's happy to give a Whoopi Epiphany Speech to anyone who asks-or anyone else she thinks needs one. She can tell when history has been altered, has centuries of experience and accumulated skills, is a better shot than the Enterprise's chief of security, and is the only person on the ship who scares Q. Despite the fact that she could probably replace anyone on the crew, she chooses to work as a bartender in Ten Forward_ ."

@@UndeadGhostGirl ^ Answered in my above post; wish I could @ two people at once.

She who controls the alcohol, controls all.

@@taopilot2669 That Aldebaran Whisky is pretty strong, right enough.

She's a babe.

I gotta ask: what's with the beans?

@legionaireb - It's a Running Gag with the author, who started it. I'm just going along with everyone else. You might want to ask him directly... 😏

She was a great actress back in the Ghost and TNG days. One of the most charismatic actors ever, imo. I really wish she would have stuck to acting instead of The View.

it was a little better then random tattoo on face to show they are an alien lazy writing

@@breadtoast1036 It was a weekly TV show. They had limited budget for aliens sometimes.

The Picard card. But how many time can you play that ?

@@DantesonofSparda85 What are you talking about?

Guinan is something of a religious figure on the Enterprise. Stand in her way, and lose your 10 forward rights. Soon enough, she'd have an escort straight to the captain.

To stand against Guinan is to stand against the wind. She'll knock you down or go around you, but you won't even slow her down.

Even Q is intimidated by her.

You don't want to get on bad terms with the barkeeper. 😅 (She's the one with the laser rifle behind the counter and ready to shoot the ceiling.)

@@Dowlphin And possibly poison in a bottle in the register drawer.

Picard met Guinan a few hundred years in the past. This is alluded to in the clip. I can’t remember the name of the episode.

@@deanbrander8460 Times Arrow, part 1 & 2

@@matthewberry7206 Wasn't it connected to Generations? Guinan got ripped out of the Nexus or something then Picard and Kirk did their thing. Memory is vague, but I do remember Guinan being on a ship with other stranded(?) people.

@@Dowlphin Yes, although there are two things with that. 1.In season 5 episode Ensign Ro, she mentions to Ro Laren that when she was in deep trouble, she needed to trust one man, and he helped her. It was implied that Ro should too. Then Guinen took her to Picard. Thus it's indicated that Picard helped her in a serious situation... which he did in Time's Arrow. 2. In Generations, yes she met Checkov, but she wasn't in trouble as she saw it... the Enterprise "ripped her away" from the Nexus. Even if this was an intended implication, it doesn't reconcile what was indicated in the episode Ensign Ro. And although it give more insight to her backstory, it was done post any TNG episodes, this commonly called a "replot" to "patch" previous inconsistencies. Check out the Ensign Ro episode and see if that helps for you. At any rate, I suppose it's ultimately up to the viewer as to which way they want to view things. :-)

@@matthewberry7206 This is the Ensign Ro episode, by the way. 😁

Recognizing potential in others and bringing it to fruition is a sign of good leadership skill.

@@Dowlphin I had one 'boss' who seemed to mistrust and even loathe competence and skill in any employee.

She's an Elorean... and was around when humanity was still in the dark ages. Hell, they've been through time shenanigans together. And to say NOTHING of the bond we don't even see on screen-hell. If she had the gumption to ask for a command decison-i'd fuckin listen. The only times he's not listened have resulted in... The death of several crew (by the Borg) Geordi and Ro almost getting actually killed rather than just Missing Presumed Dead And a bunch of other stuff. I mean, she's literally thousands of years old from a race that only ever speak when THEY HAVE SOMETHING REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT TO SAY. And to say none of 'when Eloreans get mad, the galaxy shakes'. She's gone up against Q- her powers, at least implied-and Memory Beta suppositioned-act like an anchor to the Q's reality warping abilities. Also, we've seen another Elorean get mad enough to wield his knowledge to fucking blow up suns and change the course of a spacetime-less point in reality. Suffice to say, if you don't listen to Guinan, bad things are about to happen.

Now see, I never get that from their relationship. Picard and Guinan are very close, as we've seen before, and Time's Arrow shows their first encounter from her perspective. But I've never thought of their relationship having a sexual component. There's no direct evidence of it, the hints are inconclusive, and it's frankly not necessary to explain their connection. They can have a deep friendship that transcends typical relationships without it being sexual, and I think that it is vulgar to assume that it is so based.

@@TheZetaKai Perhaps. But neither would say no if the other asked...not would it make things weird. It's *THAT* kind of Friendship, so whether they have or not doesn't matter in the slightest. It's Schrodinger's Tumble: until it is observed, it simultaneously has and has not occurred, and is thusly completely irrelevant to the situation either way.

Sex would cheapen Picard's and Guinan's relationship.

Guinan/Whoopi was a huge star that lobbied to be on TNG, similar to if Scarlett Johansson lobbied to be on some new show today. This meant that Troi/Marina was unfortunately relegated to mostly eye candy and victim due to 90s circumstances. Troi was left in bimbo limbo, like a Fraser Crane without the charm, while Whoopi got the Sam Malone juicy parts. Checkmate Caryn Johnson. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

@@95PoundMoleTo be fair Whoopi Goldberg did a much better job than I imagine Sirtis to. Maybe because of their age.

Part of it is that Troi is still a Starfleet Officer and has to obey the chain of command. Guinan is a civilian. Plus Guinan has the mysterious back story and is hundreds of years old. So the character can bring an authority and gravitas that Troi's character never can. And most importantly, the special relationship that Guinan and Picard have.

@@OptimusWombat I would agree with that, and I would also make the point that when Riker tends to take a dislike to someone, Troi can often echo that sentiment. Especially as Ro tells her to get lost in 10 forward.

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I saw her debut on Carson's tonight show so I was first!!

It's called Generations and Time's Arrow (p1&2)

Yeah, the actress aged poorly .

I guess you were free not to watch the show. I guess you prefer counselor Troi.

@@neilkurzman4907 Yup, just like Im free to like the show as a whole, but despise one particular character and then post my thoughts about said character on the interwebs.

@@_BLACKSTAR_ Absolutely.