Thanks for mentioning that. As a non-Linux user, I wouldn't have known. Cheers!

@@JJKoester I just ordered this thing. I think even in 2023 it’s a good value proposition - especially for podcasting setups. Sucks that it will cost me almost a hundred Australian to get the Bluetooth dongle but I will just eat the cost and get on with it.

Is there even a reason why you wouldn't just keep Class Compliant mode enabled at all times?

@@marratj I think there are some advantages for using the native driver when it is available but I don't know off the top of my head. You'd have to download the PDF of the manual.

@@TerenceKearns The manual doesn't state anything useful about it, just that Class Compliant mode is required to connect to iOS devices.

Thank you for the kind words! I'm glad the video was useful. I was packing up the L-20 for a concert tonight when your message landed. It's a great little device. It's really hard to go back to a non-ISO board once you've started using one. We found this true for audio and for our vision mixers.

@@JJKoester How was the L-20 for the concert? We have an L-20 in our band room for a few years already but in some weeks we will take it outside for the first time to mix a small self-organised gig in the real world. Any tips?

Dude! Thank you for this comment! Next 1-minute tip video I make will be exactly that.

So glad it's useful! Best of luck with the gear! We're loving ours.

It's the biggest miss on a piece of equipment largely defined by its hits.

Still no reply from Zoom. Very suspicious.

@@JJKoester Zoom: “we don’t make drivers” 😂

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Still haven't heard from any Zoom engineers. They're probably just scared...

I did that, trying to go back and forth between the two options and even resetting the computer several times hoping that it would affect things down the stream but it just wasn't working with OBS. I'm hoping that as Zoom, Apple and OBS continue to update their software, that option works. The thing that surprised me the most was that Logic, Zoom and OBS all read the board in very different ways, regardless of what I did wth the driver settings and that makes me think it was software compatibility, particularly between the Zoom L-20 drivers and MacOS Monterey. Thank you for the comment! I really like finding out that I'm not broadcasting to an abyss.

​@@JJKoester I'm currently running win10 and a ryzen 9 chipset. Zoom have made an apple centric product here, with only IOS remote application and no android option, which i was disapointed by. but I get it, Apple is the currentl market leader for audio engineers. So on Win10, I tried the master mix on channels 1/2 on Zoom (video calling software) and OBS with the same reasults. I set the system input as l-20 and then used same as system where applicable. However I've switched back to using channl 1/2 for vidoe calls as using L-20 for audio output there isn't a simple solution for not sending the audio in back through the master out. However I plan on getting a better monitor controller with multiples sources so i can route output either to the desk via USB or direct through the monitor outputs via the audio out on the soundcard. The other option will be to route a "monitor out" from the L-20 into a multi source monitor controller, then i can use my studio monitors for monitoring both the master and a monitor output. Actually, the lack of a sub group on the zoom really hinders this sort of simple routing. I was considering the Tascam model 24 prior to the Zoom purchase, but the 2 monitor outs rather than 6 was a no brainder when wanting seperat emixes for the whoel band, especially with multiple vocals and where guitars often muddy IEM for vocal use. So I think I might just reserve 1 of the monitor outs as a "sub-group". By the way love the production quality of the channel! Keep up the good work!

@@jimdoodle Thanks for this comment. You've given me a couple of quick ideas on other things to try with routing audio through the L-20 and into OBS and Zoom. I really didn't like my dumb solution in this video because it was basically "use a completely different piece of equipment" which isn't really good advice if you just spent a grand on an L-20. Also, you're making me think that I'm woefully undereducated when it comes to Windows. I haven't used one of those machines since 2002 and I wonder if I should invest in one just so I can do sibling tutorials, one with a Mac pipeline and one with a PC. I'll keep noodling with it and will post an updated video as soon as I find better workflow.

If Your ZOOM L-12/20 Is Updated To The Latest Firmware, You have to go into the USB Audio Output Settings in the mixer and change it so that All 20+ inputs Stream Out Of The USB-B As Master L & R and Not As A 22/22 In/Out Audio Interface. If You Don't Change It, Channels 1 & 2 Will Be 1 (Left) & 2 (Right).

@@JMMinistries where is that setting exactly? I was trying to host a zoom meeting for a large thing last night and couldnt figure out why only channels 1 and 2 worked

Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the comment!

Thank you so much for the comment! We really appreciate it.

Thanks for watching! I really appreciate it!

The gear is extremely affordable considering the features on offer so I can totally understand someone buying this for simpler applications than full band live recordings. If I had more desk space, I'd leave it plugged in all the time. Alas, I have to clean up my toys when I'm done playing with them. Thanks for the comment! I hope you continue to enjoy the content we're creating on this channel.

On a board that has so many clever and well-implemented design elements, that bluetooth thing stands out. Honestly, I don't blame the engineers personally. I imagine that was a top-down mandate. All of the engineers I've ever known are driven towards economy of design and elegance. I'm just trying to give them some ammo when they have to go into the next meeting about the hits and misses of the board.

Glad you liked it! Also, thanks for commenting!

How do you update to the latest firmware?

where do i find that menu?

Excellent question! If you're just using the on-board function and not connecting it to anything, the mode switch is irrelevant. You can set it to anything and it won't change the performance of the board until you're connecting it to a device. Cheers!

I agree with the utility of the dongle. The thing that bugs me is that it's an add-on. They could have included it in the board and charged 100 dollars more and I still would have been happy with the price (the cost of this board is really generous considering its functionality). It's the nickel-and-diming that really gets under my skin. Also, it's the ubiquity of the technology. Why Zoom considered that a luxury feature and not a base feature is beyond me. My stinkin' lightbulbs have bluetooth and those don't cost 40 bucks. By separating the cost, they created extra hassle and advertising the amount they're ripping you off. They could have ripped you off secretly and more efficiently. It's a confusing decision.

@@JJKoester good point indeed!

Yeah! The dorks who designed this!!! Zing! Boom! ROASTED!!!!

We do this at almost every concert we produce. We run headphone out from an iPad, convert than into RCA and plug it into inputs 19 & 20. Works a charm! We use it for preshow music and for the interstitial screens with audio (iPad can easily handle HDMI out if you have the adapter).

@@JJKoester thank you for the quick reply. I have an Android phone that uses USB c. Do you know what type of cord I am looking for?

@@MichaelDaniels I don't know much about Androids. If it has a headphone out, all you need is a headphone to RCA cable (5-10 bucks). If it doesn't, I imagine that there's a USB-to-headphone connector that you can buy. If there isn't, you could always get a bluetooth device with a headphone out, tether the two and then run the headphone out from the bluetooth device into the board.

@@JJKoester But with that set up, can you take calls like the L8 can do, and allow all users with headphones to talk/listen to the caller?

Some of those, I can answer. The ones I can't, I'll look up. 1) It will record the signal unprocessed beyond the gain. If you have effects and fader during recording, this will not be reflected in the audio file. 2) It will only record engaged tracks to the SD card but it does not record any effects to the SD card. So if a track has a signal but is not engaged for record, you won't find a file for that track on the card. 3) That is one I don't know enough about to answer. I honestly don't use the host feature. That's not because I think it's lame. I use the board more as a live mixing device that also records. Thanks for the comment and the questions! I hope the answers were helpful!

@@JJKoester yes that helps but I don’t understand why they wouldn’t include those scene settings on a master file on the sd card thanks 🙏

​@@akaixl83 Let me look into that. There might be a way to save your board settings to the SD card and not have to deal with the Host USB.

There could be!

I believe that I figured out my problem. It has to do with Windows 11 and Settings. Windows 11 Setting System Sound Input Line ZOOM L-20 Audio Input Settings Format select 22 channels, 32 bit, 48,000 Hz (Studio Quality) The format was originally set by default on "2 channels only." I am not entirely sure this fixed my issue; but, my ZOOM LIVETRAK L-20 to ZOOM application seems to work now for my microphone on Channel #5.

I haven't gotten into the Bluetooth connectivity but as I understand, it's strictly for interface controls and there's no audio transmission to their app. Not even the stereo mix. That said, you might be able to use the Host jack to connect audio to your iPad. I haven't tried that and if you have success with it, please leave a comment.

@@__officialtony__ thanx :)

Unfortunately, I don't. We are very mac focused in this office and PC is a known wall of ignorance we haven't had the time to address.

Firmware update solved this

Also wanting to know how to do this.

Hey there, did you find an answer for this?

@@roguesociety5803I did! I acquired a Mac Studio w/ Logic just last week, and while I’m still configuring and experimenting, I was able to easily create a 44 in, 8 out Aggregate Device using both L-20s. (I’m not routing the Outs through them, but nonetheless, that’s the default configuration of the Aggregate Device.)

The yellow-belly cowards never would.

That's a bummer! Can you tell me where the device has fallen short? Zoom's can be particular with what cards they accept and the H4n is a piece of absolute garbage but other than that, my experience with the gear has been really positive.

Don’t need anything dawless unless you want to you can do everything that is needed for making music, Daws are great from I hear I never had a computer in my house so argument is that it’s cheaper but 2000$ - 3000 cp. and iPhone newest ones are depending size 500-600 not changed so point is if tech is available one day zoom and other’s will work just perfectly. Some compare to Daws are so inexpensive free apps but again no cmtr same as trying what I know anyway. Zoom l-12 amazing l-8 is slightly different but in a good way both I’ve gotten together it’s great. Daw people say multi track recorders are like 12,000$ no maybe some other point rent a studio

Excellent question! I think the answer is no but I will try to find a way to make it work. The iOS app is designed for that I don't know if a DAW can affect the same control.

If Your ZOOM L-12/20 Is Updated To The Latest Firmware, You have to go into the USB Audio Output Settings in the mixer and change it so that All 20+ inputs Stream Out Of The USB-B As Master L & R and Not As A 22/22 In/Out Audio Interface. If You Don't Change It, Channels 1 & 2 Will Be 1 (Left) & 2 (Right).

Good lord! Thank you for this comment. Plugging this thing into a PA was a mind-blowing experience. Correction, ear-blowing experience. Short version, do not set your levels by the master headphones and then turn on the PA system as you might kill someone accidentally. Start with all your levels down and bring them in slowly and one-by-one. Personally, I'm the type to record as naked a signal as possible and make all of those decisions in post. This isn't because I'm awesome at post. It's because I'm awful at live recording. For an example, see above.

@@JJKoester I tend to do as much as possible in post as well. However, by using the master fader (21-22) instead of input one, you get a much higher level going into Logic as you've cut some frequencies that prevent you from upping that gain on the L20. You can also run the compressor a little hotter which I believe is set around 2:1 which imo is pretty gentle. Of course it also depends on the mic but using an NT 1 or 2 for example with some high pass buys you a hotter gain into your DAW and for me, gets you much better signal quality. Less to polish later. Just my take tho

Oh yeah. I have a multi speaker setup (pa and ref monitors). My refs are thru the L20's mains as they are lower wattage than my pa. My pa is thru one of the monitor outputs. I have the monitor/aux knob set pretty low then I just turn up to taste. Also: I hate to say it but the dongle/iOS app is really stellar for controlling feedback in the pa via the master EQ.

@@atmadsen Well, that actually convinces me to give it a try. Clipping is always a concern with digital and that's a really good point about being able to attenuate your signal so selectively. You just gave me a week of studio noodling homework as I experiment with that.

@@atmadsen I'm pretty sure I will have to buy one eventually, if only to review it. These L20 videos have generated a lot of discussion on the channel and I'd love to see that conversation continue.