The TFT incident Ft Ruetoo

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Conner Converse

Conner Converse

6 ай бұрын

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I know This isn't the type of video I normally put out, so if you're here for Demo vids or guides you can pass this one, but I suppose if you like drama you're eating good tonight. this was something I was fairly involved in that has blown up and I've got a lot of questions on it. Ruetoo interviewed me about my story so I figured I'd upload it here incase people missed it and were curious of my involvement of this whole TFT mess
Its worth noting if you arent familiar with the situation that this was not the beginning of whats going on now with TFT. TLDR: someone didnt sell Jenebu a jewel this friday and was banned from TFT because of it. they posted a reddit thread and many people calling him out in the comments and on twitter were also banned, including LocalIdentity (The PoB community fork guy), Zizaran, eventually cascading to people like Ruetoo, captainlance, etc all getting banned from TFT as well for speaking out. This has turned into some sort of Bill cosby situation with others sharing their stories and this was my piece of the story from past experiences

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@gregariousgaming6265
@gregariousgaming6265 6 ай бұрын
jenebu went off the rails this league because ckaiba's bow had 4500+ free copies, which is a good 500+ mirrors that jenebu can't RMT. Lmao
@ConnerConverse
@ConnerConverse 6 ай бұрын
with the fee on phys bows its so far something like 1.5 million divines cost. those arent a 100d fee item, sometimes the fees are as high as 400-1mirror
@cr3ezy35
@cr3ezy35 6 ай бұрын
yeah, and the biggest problem is ggg are probably also having a cut, nothing's gonna change
@dedi8517
@dedi8517 6 ай бұрын
funny fact that confirmed account banned for RMT are still having mirror items for copy on tft and get profit from this.
@captainadmiral8439
@captainadmiral8439 6 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t it have had way more than that too if ckaiba didn’t leave after like 2 weeks?
@aberges
@aberges 6 ай бұрын
​@@cr3ezy35 doubt it, whatever money they make is peanuts to ggg
@TheFudily
@TheFudily 6 ай бұрын
I think the most logical explanation for why Jenebu hates content creators is that they're hurting his RMT profits.
@charlespanache7047
@charlespanache7047 6 ай бұрын
A huge way to combat rmt and tft is to make the game rewarding. I think this league really shows that.
@TraxisOnTheLines
@TraxisOnTheLines 6 ай бұрын
Jenebu is almost certainly making 10k+ a month from TFT, as a full time job. He gets to live a great life because of TFT. If that goes away, his life goes away.
@YrCleddyf
@YrCleddyf 6 ай бұрын
@@TraxisOnTheLines I do find it odd how he can afford all his bills and buy the highest tier supporter packs every league despite playing the game almost 24/7
@LiliumCruorem
@LiliumCruorem 6 ай бұрын
@@YrCleddyfmakes ya wonder huh? Wish we all could sit on our asses and get paid to grind poe
@naruroGCS
@naruroGCS 6 ай бұрын
@@charlespanache7047 how about making a trade system? the juicy eve and albion AH with natural economy so good
@thestrider6597
@thestrider6597 6 ай бұрын
TFT stands for The Fraud Trove.
@mortenengholm8430
@mortenengholm8430 6 ай бұрын
The Fraudulent Toddlers
@igorbarbosa24anosmelhoridade
@igorbarbosa24anosmelhoridade 6 ай бұрын
TFT STANDS FOR TIER FUCKING TWO
@HaPKoMaTo3
@HaPKoMaTo3 6 ай бұрын
Or Tier Fucking Two =)
@thestrider6597
@thestrider6597 6 ай бұрын
Tier two suggests they're only one away from being top tier and a "just miss" disappointment when in fact they're literally a t8 mana roll on a mirror tier phys bow level of crap shoot.
@brokenpinkies3372
@brokenpinkies3372 6 ай бұрын
It stands for teamfight tactics.
@Oceanborn
@Oceanborn 6 ай бұрын
The sister thing Rue mentioned towards the end was about JeNebu. In-game chat logs came out of him finding some guy's Facebook and threatening to contact the guy's sister. Well adjusted people usually stop those kinds of antics at age 13 but here we are, if that gets swept under the rug along with everything else the clown has done then it's pretty evident someone at GGG is defending him
@hunzukunz
@hunzukunz 6 ай бұрын
wtf does GGG have to do with any of that? this is completely outside of the company. they dont care about any of that
@nekokinds
@nekokinds 6 ай бұрын
@@hunzukunz streamers have gotten banned for drama outside of the game before. GGG already set that precedent themselves.
@hunzukunz
@hunzukunz 6 ай бұрын
@@nekokindsgot any source for that? because all cases i know of involved GGG employees, or straight up TOS violation. thats completely different
@Oceanborn
@Oceanborn 6 ай бұрын
@@hunzukunz Ruetoo, one of the guys literally in this exact video, copped a 1-week ban for drama outside of the game, which I believe he mentions briefly in this exact video. I'd imagine GGG won't be too pleased that JeNebu's threats happened WITHIN THEIR GAME, even if the threats weren't actually related to it
@hunzukunz
@hunzukunz 6 ай бұрын
@@Oceanborn within the game is the key word.
@damdor2608
@damdor2608 6 ай бұрын
I was banned in TFT for no reason other than congratulating Belton on one of his bow crafts during the Crucible league in his general chat of his discord channel, I left Beltons discord after I got a ban msg from TFT since I prioritize to have access to the TFT channels. I have sent about 10+ appeals, including my friends have as well. They have never even replied back to me or anything, I seem to be permanently banned for that reason only. I do not like that they have so much power in that regard since there is no easy way to reliably get these services in game, I have to ask my friends for help.
@andreash9499
@andreash9499 6 ай бұрын
How dare you congratulate Belton on a craft! Banned!
@nejch1568
@nejch1568 6 ай бұрын
reject TFT, embrace BroSSF
@4ndyLA
@4ndyLA 6 ай бұрын
@@nejch1568Where can I sign up?
@andreash9499
@andreash9499 6 ай бұрын
I want GGG to make it so you can do SSF with select friends without having to make private league@@nejch1568
@AAGEnzee
@AAGEnzee 6 ай бұрын
Yea, I got banned for being in Belton's discord too. Ironically, I had just come back to the game and wasn't aware Belton and TFT had drama when I joined it. I saw some stuff about it in his discord, but thought people were exaggerating that they banned anyone just for being in the discord.. cause, y'know.. that's insane. Unfortunately, I responded to someone who mentioned Jenebu when the Hinekora lock nerf was announced, so ofc he probably thought I was talking shit too (my comment was actually a small jab at Belton, if anything). When asked about it, they'll give this cover story 'if people leave his discord, they'll get unbanned' but I have yet to find a SINGLE person anywhere who got unbanned after leaving his discord. I even made a new account initially, hoping it was just a mistake and I was collateral damage, or that I could talk to someone about it. Instead, soon as they figured out my original account, they banned my new account and ignored me. I wasn't trying to hide the connection, I just wanted a line of communication. I've also sent 3 appeals so far, they don't respond. It's all bullshit. Just like they'll throw out the 'racist, sexist, transphobic, etc.. ' description when defending their decision to ban Belton's discord, Ckaiba's viewers, Bota's viewers, etc.. They figure if they just throw horrible accusations at anyone they ban, that the average person won't look into it. tldr: I got banned and initially was still sorta on their side, but then their actions in banning/ignoring me since, plus everything else happening, has shown me that this is just how they are.
@Shanopla
@Shanopla 6 ай бұрын
This is the natural product of a managed forum as opposed to a third party tool. Personalities and drama and ego. You hit the nail on the head, they need someone who can get out of the way and let the community use the tool. Not try to weave a web with it and abuse it as an owner or overlord. Fortunately, I don't play enough to need TFT. I can buy my compasses with a few annoying PM's and move on with my eight maps a night.
@ElSighxD
@ElSighxD 6 ай бұрын
the idea of large content creators creating their own version is something i thought about yesterday. I understand why most wouldnt want to do it though. Youre right though, if GGG doesnt itemize syndicate crafts that would be the only solution imo. Other than that TFT would only be useful for bulk/carries and mirror service, which doesnt affect like 99% of players.
@ConnerConverse
@ConnerConverse 6 ай бұрын
Edit: 10 seconds after tpying this comment the 1080p Kicked in
@Conqueror933
@Conqueror933 6 ай бұрын
fuck TFT fuck 3rd parties to play a game
@justinhowe3878
@justinhowe3878 6 ай бұрын
holy crap ruetoo is so much more human and bearable when he's talking to a peer and not acting out for his stream, lol
@badddy361
@badddy361 6 ай бұрын
but even there he is still very arrogant and very unlikeable....
@inceneration
@inceneration 6 ай бұрын
@@badddy361 True.. Arrogant, but he does have a point in what he says.
@HulkGreen6
@HulkGreen6 6 ай бұрын
I was banned for 48hour for providing challenges / bossing for 60% less of the asking price by other members. TOP KICK! TFT RATS!
@GE_Photon_Lord
@GE_Photon_Lord 6 ай бұрын
If anything, this should be encouraged/respected, because you do a good thing for others. I do it too when I sell items, 50% discount for non meta/niche/something that didnt sell in time.
@NoConsequenc3
@NoConsequenc3 6 ай бұрын
Capitalism is a race to get the most profit for the least energy. Being competitive is bad for business.
@TheNece17
@TheNece17 4 ай бұрын
funny i got banned after i did bosscarry for free (wanted to collect vouches) , and they said they reason is fake vouching
@SilversTaurus
@SilversTaurus Ай бұрын
​@@TheNece17 I'm still seeing free carries for vouches there and a lof of them. Does that mean they are getting banned soon too? Lmao
@TheNece17
@TheNece17 Ай бұрын
@@SilversTaurus i have no idea _ can't talk about others - i only can talk about my case
@michaelh370
@michaelh370 6 ай бұрын
This was a good hour chat. Well done men.
@samstring7833
@samstring7833 6 ай бұрын
This has made me want to play manastacker even more.
@tylerworrell7866
@tylerworrell7866 6 ай бұрын
Made me feel a bit of pride the only Reddit thread that had Connor’s upvote was mine. Thank you for getting a full explaination of the Mjolner out. Never heard the full account. Thank you for your time and effort. Peace and Love
@marledanimefan7186
@marledanimefan7186 6 ай бұрын
As an ssf player, popcorn never tasted better
@itamarshef4423
@itamarshef4423 6 ай бұрын
IKR? The closest I get to mirroring items is a mob dropping a mirrored normal map
@TheVillainArc363
@TheVillainArc363 5 ай бұрын
got a question, what types of stash tabs do ssf players need?
@TheVillainArc363
@TheVillainArc363 5 ай бұрын
im thinking of playing ssf
@marledanimefan7186
@marledanimefan7186 5 ай бұрын
@@TheVillainArc363 depends on how much you play really. Map/currency is a given , i would say frag yes , divs too although i dont personally have it ( dont play long enough to warrant its use, 1 normal tab is enough) , essence i like too personally . You'll need around 300-400 pts for all these flavor tabs and you get 2-4 normal tabs for purchasing them during sale . Thats a great starting point ( overkill if you dont play too much, remove essence and div if you play 1-2 hours a day ) . After that you can add as many quad tabs as you see fit for your use.
@snaxximan5737
@snaxximan5737 6 ай бұрын
Rue-like reflexes.
@Rekennnnn
@Rekennnnn 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the upload. Tired of watching twitch vods to catch up with the drama
@Srewtheshadow
@Srewtheshadow 6 ай бұрын
Conner getting the recognition he deserves!
@lionheart4933
@lionheart4933 6 ай бұрын
Finally a streamer with balls to cover this
@psnsnowmanz
@psnsnowmanz 6 ай бұрын
Belton did it first
@brawndothirstmutilator5863
@brawndothirstmutilator5863 6 ай бұрын
3:30 so cringe imagine getting excited about banning people.
@JohanCardel
@JohanCardel 6 ай бұрын
Very interesting story Conner, I hope you can steer clear of those people. Always enjoy your video's, followed your first guide, also mana stacker, I guess that is all you do :) It was really good.
@AbcdcDym
@AbcdcDym 6 ай бұрын
Detective 1manaleft on the case! Good watch tbh
@AndragonLea
@AndragonLea 6 ай бұрын
Man, if only there existed some way to have trades in the game as opposed to on some sort of pirate island where you have to give the head honcho with the overblown ego and massive chip on his shoulder a cut and respect or risk getting thrown off to languish with the other exiles on a beach somewhere.
@1ordof1o1
@1ordof1o1 6 ай бұрын
dont worry u are growing... and im glad i found this channel by accident and started to play manastackers and other chars .... besides ranger :D much love and luck
@lifestealer4699
@lifestealer4699 Ай бұрын
Aisling bench shares a slot with your hideout crafting bench. If he actually left it there it would have been sitting in his hideout crafting bench waiting for him to pick it up and he wouldnt be able to do any other aisling or whatever craft without taking the item off the bench. This guy probably knew and just left it in his crafting bench until the whole ordeal was over
@killodoggy1
@killodoggy1 6 ай бұрын
I really appreciate this video. KZfaq had previously recommended the same topic by someone who I did not trust and so I never learned about this. When you said a large number of people are wielding pitchforks with no evidence, that was the same reason why I never looked into other content makers throwing out accusations.
@brandonkruse6412
@brandonkruse6412 6 ай бұрын
I got banned from TFT back in Ultimatum league for making a comment in a friend’s discord about how one of the TFT lab runners kept my expensive helmet for over a week and ignored my messages. Wasn’t even rude about it and it was said within an outside discord so the mods really are lurking everywhere.
@Arthrexx
@Arthrexx 6 ай бұрын
They are Gestapo and Stasi combined.
@SilversTaurus
@SilversTaurus Ай бұрын
Wtf that is just no-life behavior lmao
@rhettorical
@rhettorical 6 ай бұрын
I'm getting flashbacks to some stuff that happened in the GW2 trade community. They also slandered content creators, created a cabal to try to control the flow of high-value items, and had a tism fit over people trying to work outside of their system.
@zekehorton2464
@zekehorton2464 6 ай бұрын
The only way GGG would ever attempt to fix this, whatever that would mean, is if it affected their bottom line enough. Until GGG starts to make less profit, retains less players etc, it won’t be a big enough problem for them to fix.
@OG-zr3bw
@OG-zr3bw 6 ай бұрын
The fact you're so charitable to these people that have shown you nothing but hostility says a lot.
@kizzagaming6523
@kizzagaming6523 6 ай бұрын
I was threatened by one of the female mods as well for " giving her a headache " by reporting someone that scammed me out of 5 way money. He got banned mid 5 way, it was such a small amount too. She didn't understand what I was asking and was incredibly passive aggressive. It's one of the most corrupt places ever
@Intestine_Ballin-ism
@Intestine_Ballin-ism 6 ай бұрын
The funniest thing is from the pfp alone we all know her. She is that insufferable lol
@Carno836
@Carno836 6 ай бұрын
@@Intestine_Ballin-ism based
@nb3775
@nb3775 6 ай бұрын
@@Intestine_Ballin-ismit’s a him
@Intestine_Ballin-ism
@Intestine_Ballin-ism 6 ай бұрын
​@@nb3775a man LARPing as a woman? Say it ain't so
@Psycorde
@Psycorde 6 ай бұрын
Some female police dispatcher in n US got sentenced for mishandling thousands of calls because they "stressed her out" Get the same vibe here
@awman9134
@awman9134 6 ай бұрын
The first incident actually happened to me but I am the one that forgot to take the item out of the aisling bench. Thankfully the item wasn't as pricey as yours and I was able to get the currency in few hours and give it back to the guy. IDK if that one scammer you got has any connection to TFT people or is it because TFT just don't care about their users so they ended up with that "payback in standard" thing but nonetheless after hearing your story I really doubt the poor guy that got "scammed" by me will get anything back if he reported me and went the official way. edit: Did they delete the post? I can see it clear in the video as you are showing the post but now that I try to access it to see the imgur album through your account it says it's deleted. I don't use reddit so IDK if there's a way to show the archived post or not.
@ILikeGuns1992
@ILikeGuns1992 6 ай бұрын
"We are now Welcoming Trove and our new leader is Nebeju" LMAO
@purple4395
@purple4395 6 ай бұрын
GGG should just put a stop to tft, maybe excluding bulk selling. You could easily implement a system where one party mirrors the bow in the trade window and gets the replica vs the fee or anything like that. You can easily make most other services sellable via the trade thing ( like they did with temples) or just improve the trade site in general.
@DreamGamingS2
@DreamGamingS2 6 ай бұрын
Bulk selling is exactly how TFT is so powerful. Controlling bulk selling means controlling the mirror item crafting market.
@fattymcgirthy9829
@fattymcgirthy9829 6 ай бұрын
@@DreamGamingS2 Implement an OSRS style marketplace and bulk selling becomes easy.
@charlespanache7047
@charlespanache7047 6 ай бұрын
Tft is there bc of how garbage trading is. Go try and bulk trade anything using the inngame trade system. Using TFT Within 3 clicks my entire tab is listed. Also some of the trade listings are 95% afk on some items.
@Neighter
@Neighter 6 ай бұрын
I agree on that, at least compass selling can be completely fixed with making them stackable and adding another tab for them. Also maybe removing or changing that 4-use node, since its just annoying to pay 8 orbs for respect to poke some compasses
@hpmc7426
@hpmc7426 5 ай бұрын
As stupid as Blizzard games are, WoW has service trading. :( PoE with a 10000000000x more powerful team should really just have a 15 internal meeting, confirm it, and go, and we will have this feature tomorrow.
@TraxisOnTheLines
@TraxisOnTheLines 6 ай бұрын
Talking about the Mjolner poof... I'm pretty sure I remember seeing this clip and thinking exactly what you were portrayed as - some streamer poofing items like an idiot and ruining a viewers day. I think another streamer had a similar situation around the same time so it was a mob mentality of 'content creators are awful'. I'm glad I found you a few leagues later and then got to this video to clear that up.
@ConnerConverse
@ConnerConverse 6 ай бұрын
Yea the idiot part was correct, the not paying back of "faking it" etc was lies
@inceneration
@inceneration 6 ай бұрын
The other streamer was Empyriangaming. But he is a TFT basic bitch now :D
@cocobutter8389
@cocobutter8389 6 ай бұрын
I think if nothing happens like if GGG doesnt adress it we just spam "TFT" when ziggyD does the QNA with chris
@Adam-qd6wk
@Adam-qd6wk 5 ай бұрын
i faced similar situation as you are.. were crafting mirror tier abysal belt, a dude bricked my item and mod assign to my case, he request for my chat history ingame.. i gave him and he can see i paid over 400ex/divs in league at that point and d guy said he cant afford that much and i requested min. half of what i paid for buying service atleast and d idiot mod verdict was like 'd guy only has 30ex/div (take it or leave it) and case is now close.. i made an appeal to higher up and at that point i was beyond boiling anger.. this female mod said her underling is stern on his verdict and reject my appeal and i asked them if they even had a brain to handle such cases.. and im permanently banned..
@GE_Photon_Lord
@GE_Photon_Lord 6 ай бұрын
I'm honestly pretty casual but I still use tft. However, I dont ever engage with the gen chat or other chats than the services. I go there to sell Aisling or other non-item stuff, because I can't trust ppl from global/trade. It just makes this exchange guaranteed and fast. In connor's example, that aparently wasnt guaranteed, despite all that rep. But I dont engage with op items so idk.
@askgeno6256
@askgeno6256 6 ай бұрын
interesting crossover episode
@ukdnbmarsh
@ukdnbmarsh 6 ай бұрын
if GGG wanted to they could and probably should do is design an ingame (automated) shop which allows players to buy and sell to others users whether they are online or offline
@rcmedia9516
@rcmedia9516 6 ай бұрын
China version has it.
@inceneration
@inceneration 6 ай бұрын
its called an Auction house. Used in plenty of other games showing that it works and always has.
@KarolMcDonskee
@KarolMcDonskee 4 ай бұрын
absolute, never ending love to you my brother! thx for all the context, all your work!
@serapissibilia9767
@serapissibilia9767 6 ай бұрын
This mods are all Kids and this Jenebu its a psychopath you see it on how this mods talking!
@db212006
@db212006 6 ай бұрын
I have no doubt in my mind that TFT pays the POE reddit mods to keep TFT hate threads off the subbreddit. The whole fucking thing is so fucked man. GGG 100% has to step up and do something about this shit. They need to make their own TFT either in game option or website. Enough is enough.
@captain.obvious.hd6
@captain.obvious.hd6 6 ай бұрын
None drama breakdown can be completed without the crisp 360p baby!
@ConnerConverse
@ConnerConverse 6 ай бұрын
give it 10 minutes
@mrheckles6076
@mrheckles6076 6 ай бұрын
@@ConnerConverse 10 minutes have passed, see you in court!
@ConnerConverse
@ConnerConverse 6 ай бұрын
@@mrheckles6076 case accepted. 1080p up 60s before your comment. court adjurned
@charlespanache7047
@charlespanache7047 6 ай бұрын
leave the potato quality. It's loads better on my bad internet
@semi-decent1844
@semi-decent1844 6 ай бұрын
It would be interesting if ggg could turn aisling slams or Leo slams or hillock crafts into tradeable items/orbs similar to how they change alva temples and make the need for tft a lot less usefull
@addressunknown8
@addressunknown8 6 ай бұрын
People still do leo slams? Oo
@AGR_13
@AGR_13 6 ай бұрын
The abaxoth name drop... maybe ill come back ( i swear ill actually make a functioning char)
@ConnerConverse
@ConnerConverse 6 ай бұрын
alot of money and alot of league left
@greensofa3234
@greensofa3234 6 ай бұрын
My TFT ban came as a result of me reporting possible scam attempt(i was selling aislings). Moderator got into my dms and started escalating which ended up with us insulting each other and him together with nell or whatever that person is joining some discord i was in and attacking me together after i leaked my dms with him there. They were also freely using my data(quoting my poe username) they got from connecting my poe account with their discord which gave me really bad power abuse vibe. Tft is a horrible place filled with horrible people and we as community deserve better than this.
@bradpeffer9961
@bradpeffer9961 6 ай бұрын
I was banned from tft for competing for a item from the man himself jenebu then he doubled down bc i was in beltons server xd
@watermelon58
@watermelon58 6 ай бұрын
Oh crossover i didnt expect there needs to be more said again
@helena9089
@helena9089 6 ай бұрын
The reddit mod you had to deal with, livejamie, has been in TFT team chat (one of the hidden TFT top brass channel, not the most hidden though) from my knowledge before even harvest league. He has been given directives multiple times to take down certain/problematic posts iirc and they would regularly joke about doing those things x - x edit: nevermind just got to 37:30 and saw you found that ss lol
@brandonkruse6412
@brandonkruse6412 5 ай бұрын
This is absolutely a lie that Belton’s friend literally made up to turn people against Jamie. Jamie’s extent of involvement with TFT was literally 2 months of volunteer work back in 2020 to help with bot/spam automation in the channels. This has all been proven extensively even down to the next lie about Jaime having anything to do with Belton’s Reddit ban. He was banned 5 times by the head mod (Multiplicity) for various moments of toxicity such as telling people to kill themselves regularly. They gave Belton more grace than anyone in the history of that group and like the egotistical child he is, he has to believe there are ulterior reasons behind his bans. Lmao.
@MasonKramer
@MasonKramer 6 ай бұрын
RE: creating alternatives, what is the best way to reach you?
@user-lp3ke1lo9a
@user-lp3ke1lo9a 6 ай бұрын
GGG should track Jenebu and his group's accounts, and perma ban for selling infinite divines for cash. It will be easy to find evidence if GGG actually tries.
@Bodwaizer
@Bodwaizer 6 ай бұрын
As a new player to PoE, I'm totally baffled how devs allowed TFT to become this big, this is their screw up 100%.
@Micahlopl
@Micahlopl 6 ай бұрын
Someone at ggg is making money. It will not end soon.
@GrilledCheeseSandwich1
@GrilledCheeseSandwich1 6 ай бұрын
TFT exists because PoE doesn't have a trust system or escrow service, and there's no easy way to implement one (doing a basic one is not hard but there are limitations). And as long as there is demand for something, people will make it happen. This is why black markets to the tune of trillions of dollars exist. Black markets can't be banned, look at the history of the War on Drugs for an example. You have to remove the supply or demand or create an official avenue for the trade to happen. Let's say I need an Aisling slam on an item, but my build is highly specialised to the point that I can't do Betrayal. So I'll need to level a new char to do it. I'm very quick so 20 div and 8 hours later I'm in red maps with my new char and I get my T4 Aisling. But I can farm 20 div/h with my original build so I just lost 160 div. But I know there are people out there with T4 Aislings that they don't have a use for. But there's no way to establish that someone is reliable. Hence TFT. TFT can be deleted but a new one will appear within days because there is *massive* demand for it. PoE devs refuse to upgrade their trade system, in fact they seem to feel that it's already too easy to trade. Last Epoch has now surpassed PoE in terms of trade because they seem willing and able to innovate (Merchant's Guild and the Circle of Fortune).
@peterenis4426
@peterenis4426 6 ай бұрын
they just failed to run anything in there game at own and let the community 100% control of everything not the best way for sure
@Bodwaizer
@Bodwaizer 6 ай бұрын
@@GrilledCheeseSandwich1 dunno what massive demand you are talking about, I played for 2 leagues now and until Connors started talking about Aisling veiled suffix on a Battery staff I didn't even know that it existed. Judging by steam charts there is only 20% of players playing at last month of the league (compared to start) and only TWO PERCENT of all players killed Maven. Despite someone like Belton making a case how it affects someone like me, I don't think it does, I don't even have Discord, so it's up to high level crafters and streamers to decide - do they want convenience or widespread RMT.
@NoConsequenc3
@NoConsequenc3 6 ай бұрын
@@Bodwaizer affects you because it affects the entire economy from the top down.
@OilySeagull
@OilySeagull 6 ай бұрын
didnt janebu buy a mirror base from you recently conner? congrats on the growth bro you got me into mana builds
@AGR_13
@AGR_13 6 ай бұрын
ya he bought the Omni ring base last league
@ConnerConverse
@ConnerConverse 6 ай бұрын
Yea turns out the whole "user is blacklisted dont trade with them" doesnt apply to boss man buying my 4 mirror item
@OilySeagull
@OilySeagull 6 ай бұрын
@@ConnerConverse yeah i saw that and thought wow what principles this individual has, thanks for the builds bro
@inceneration
@inceneration 6 ай бұрын
@@ConnerConverse you should have done what JeNebu does xD Raised the price to 10x the listed price :D
@wtfwasthat16
@wtfwasthat16 6 ай бұрын
What an absolutely WILD ride that was! great vid conner
@ExiphVG
@ExiphVG 6 ай бұрын
question - how do they intimidate for an item, like what is even said to make that tactic work?
@caimin6425
@caimin6425 4 ай бұрын
I’ll be honest I have no proof to back this up but my assumption is something “we own the biggest marketplace give us your stuff or we blacklist and or ban you from TFT “
@brandenpedersen5127
@brandenpedersen5127 6 ай бұрын
17:30 The cat down playing him shitting and pissing across the internet in a crusade to call that guys build bad.
@ghazaliideris6729
@ghazaliideris6729 6 ай бұрын
Well cant wait to see reddit thread about this video
@ttzera
@ttzera 6 ай бұрын
Did Ziz get banned from TFT? I can't find anything about that
@aarond9022
@aarond9022 6 ай бұрын
So if a mirror RMTs for a minimum of $100 USD, then him losing 500 mirrors over that free craft is like losing $50,000
@ottawadigs
@ottawadigs 6 ай бұрын
it may surprise new people but Real Money Trading has been in POE since closed Beta and GGG has never done anything about it
@sethmccartney7750
@sethmccartney7750 6 ай бұрын
It is very disappointing that GGG dose nothing about TFT. Even more sad people keep using them because no one gives a shit.... until it effects them.
@GrilledCheeseSandwich1
@GrilledCheeseSandwich1 6 ай бұрын
Regarding the subreddit rule about harassing other communities, it's worth to note that reddit site admin (as in the people that run the site, not mods) are *extremely* strict about this rule (sometimes). Many subreddits have been banned for this. I'm not supporting or opposing reddit mods. This is just context for the lucky people out there that haven't wasted 10 years on reddit.
@Bodwaizer
@Bodwaizer 6 ай бұрын
Good to hear context, Reddit itself is pretty rotten and pointless (no free speech), but still popular.
@DreamGamingS2
@DreamGamingS2 6 ай бұрын
I think it's important to understand there is a big difference here. Reddit is against organised harassment of other people and communities. That is not what this is. When someone makes a thread without names that brings awareness of scummy behaviour within the game community that is not harassment/brigading.
@GrilledCheeseSandwich1
@GrilledCheeseSandwich1 6 ай бұрын
Totally agree, except that reddit admins are the scum of the earth and will use the smallest perceived infraction to ban, and good luck appealing. This usually only happens if they don't like you, and that usually only happens when you've accidentally hurt their feelings.
@jonesen4395
@jonesen4395 6 ай бұрын
Reddit just doesn't allow brigading other subreddits, they don't care about subcommunities that aren't on their platform
@Psycorde
@Psycorde 6 ай бұрын
Depend on who does it and the target.
@Valkaneer
@Valkaneer 4 ай бұрын
TFT IMO still has it's tendrils in well known PoE communities. The other day I saw the PoE Reddit forum put out new rules. They said they were going to start censoring more comments, hiding post being down voted, and one of the main reasons was that TFT was negatively effected by comments which did not give hard evidence basically. So that left me thinking (my opinion), so who on TFT is paying off the Reddit mods? They want to censor the kind of comments that exposed TFT in the first place??? What a freaking joke, oh ya TFT members stepped down from Reddit? That's why they are making rules now to protect totally unethical behavior by keeping people from being able to share their stories? Lots of manipulation going on behind the scenes. Hiding down voted post can also be very helpful to people in power who are doing things people don't like, because they are hidden from being seen.
@blech71
@blech71 6 ай бұрын
Crazy wild…. I never would have thought Connor would be in this at all. I see him as he’s the dood that makes one badass toon, gets in and gets out. lol what a ride!
@stelkurtain_tm
@stelkurtain_tm 6 ай бұрын
What happened with quin and raiz? I barely remember it and thought it was a meme
@inceneration
@inceneration 6 ай бұрын
Welp. Quin is a jackass without a brain in poe. Creating builds that literally does 0 dmg and sucks at anything he does. Raiz i dont remember i think it was an altercation with someone on the discord that let to him being banned dont know if it was permanent tho.
@hamammsoleman9099
@hamammsoleman9099 6 ай бұрын
I found this reply from one of the mods: The mod who left today, /u/jwfiredragon , left today because they were tired of the drama and the mod team getting accused of things. They have been the most active moderator on the subreddit for years, up there with the two actual automated bots in terms of actions taken per year. Their leaving will require at least 3 new active moderators to replace on top of the existing deficit, and we'll miss them a lot. @ConnerConverse
@txniinja9349
@txniinja9349 6 ай бұрын
Nice video man, absolutely loved it!
@smoke7877
@smoke7877 6 ай бұрын
Hey bro how can i craft a budget battery staff?
@fakeplaystore7991
@fakeplaystore7991 6 ай бұрын
Every budget craft is like this: spam essences until you get good prefixes/suffixes; lock whatever you got with Prefixes/Suffixes Can't Be Changed; hit the item with a Chaos Veiled Orb/Aisling to add a veiled mod; craft bench whatever mod you don't want to be unveiled, then unveiled it. At this point your item probably has 4 good mods, craft whatever is missing and you're done - or do the Vision Craft and slam an exalted orb on it for the Chris Wilson's patented Adrenaline Rush.
@Wannasomehugz
@Wannasomehugz 6 ай бұрын
I swear to god connor. Censoring the name of the mod in your reddit thread and "coincidentally" showing a conversation between JeNebu and Nell in which one of them has the same pfp, has to be the slickest move I've ever seen :D Your smile afterwards was so rewarding to see. Thank you for making my day! I laughed very hard
@null.dev.
@null.dev. 6 ай бұрын
What's a pfp?
@truesoundwave
@truesoundwave 6 ай бұрын
@@null.dev. profile picture
@inceneration
@inceneration 6 ай бұрын
@@truesoundwave Techicly that would just be PP then :D Since Profile is one word and picture is the second XD
@truesoundwave
@truesoundwave 6 ай бұрын
@@inceneration That's just the common used lingo everywhere.
@justagosling
@justagosling 6 ай бұрын
when the one mana is no longer left
@michaeljohnson8100
@michaeljohnson8100 6 ай бұрын
i like how they are now " looking for more mods"
@jimmyrusselluher1225
@jimmyrusselluher1225 6 ай бұрын
The reason Jenebu and his gang don't like content creators is because they also make money from playing the game, but they are in the open making the money legit. Jenebu and his gang 100% participate in large amounts of RMT and are endorsed by GGG to continue doing this. When you consider it from this point of view, it makes complete sense why they disdain content creators. Part of it is jealousy that they make profit off the game in a legit manner, and part of it is thinking they are "better" than them because they are making "more money" while being "better at the game".
@quen6788
@quen6788 6 ай бұрын
Yes dear sir, we do like drama
@roundishcap
@roundishcap 6 ай бұрын
they really need to make a way to target annuls and or make locking rolls cheaper. Crafting just feels bad.
@sober667
@sober667 6 ай бұрын
Man that is good stuff Personaly i dont use TFT Out of Choice And i dont wana do it even more Hope GGG does somethink becouse thats a bit much
@genegrenier8115
@genegrenier8115 6 ай бұрын
Love this channel do not understand any of this I aspire to be a Meta Crafter some day
@LiliumCruorem
@LiliumCruorem 6 ай бұрын
We just need GGG to implement better bulk selling and the ability to modify items in a trade window (kind of like how you can enchant items in a trade window in WoW so you can sell enchant service.). We just need to take the ability for 3rd parties to control the bulk market. The only reason TFT is popular is convenience. If official trade was more convenient people would use it instead.
@inceneration
@inceneration 6 ай бұрын
Its Truely simple.... implement Auction house. Make "t4 aisling" and so on be saveable. So you can use them from your hideouts. Which will force people to go to the hideout. Make a special station that only party members can access. Where you can assign the specific craft to the specific charname. Easy as that. But its ggg they feed off this bad PR and they dont care. We've been begging for a new trading system for YEARS. They just wont do anything.
@AndThenShwarmaAfter
@AndThenShwarmaAfter 6 ай бұрын
Tier Foking Two. to this day, i do NOT understand how you can be a big or not streamer, with a platform/voice, who represents the poe community to an extent...and NOT take a clear fukin stand on that tft bs.. shame on all of you and props to the courageous ones!
@inceneration
@inceneration 6 ай бұрын
I cant figure out if you are insulting everyone or cheering them on?
@JackSuperFly
@JackSuperFly 6 ай бұрын
Love the game, hate the trading.
@MrSackbert
@MrSackbert 6 ай бұрын
sounds like TFT have manufactured a casus belli after the fact
@hughmungus9481
@hughmungus9481 6 ай бұрын
The only thought I have in regards to this whole drama is:"Is it that deep?"
@H1nted
@H1nted 6 ай бұрын
What do you mean ?
@brandonkruse6412
@brandonkruse6412 6 ай бұрын
Refunding someone with Standard currency… hilarious. That’s like Red Lobster giving you a gift card for White Castle after a bad meal.
@Intestine_Ballin-ism
@Intestine_Ballin-ism 6 ай бұрын
With 1 to 1 currency... So you're getting a White Castle coupon that's only valid in Zimbabwe
@brandonkruse6412
@brandonkruse6412 6 ай бұрын
@@Intestine_Ballin-ism I wonder if they even have a White Castle there. Hmm.
@Intestine_Ballin-ism
@Intestine_Ballin-ism 6 ай бұрын
@@brandonkruse6412 exactly
@tarkan2004
@tarkan2004 6 ай бұрын
All drama aside this video is funny af
@andresantoniocidsanchez4359
@andresantoniocidsanchez4359 6 ай бұрын
when money gets involved poeple tends to get shitty it is what it is they literally have a monopoly and crearly they dont want it to go away
@MacGregor3
@MacGregor3 6 ай бұрын
There are many variant anglicised forms of the name including Ashling, Aislin, Aislinn, Aislene, Ashlyn, and Ashlynn. Pronunciation of the name also varies, with the most common pronunciation being /ˈæʃlɪŋ/ ASH-ling; other forms acceptable to Irish speakers are /ˈæʃlɪn/ ASH-lin and /ˈæʃliːn/ ASH-leen. Others, such as /ˈeɪzlɪŋ/ AYZ-ling, /ˈæslɪŋ/ ASS-ling, and /ˈeɪslɪŋ/ AYSS-ling, do not follow the Irish pronunciation.
@LiliumCruorem
@LiliumCruorem 6 ай бұрын
Yeah irish names trip a lot of other english speakers up lol. So many hidden sounds. But I’ll tell you what, if ya’ll put the H in there I’ll pronounce it xD
@fakeplaystore7991
@fakeplaystore7991 6 ай бұрын
Jun says "You're done, ASH-ling", so supposedly that should be the official enunciation.
@mrzhnex8018
@mrzhnex8018 6 ай бұрын
ahahah HOLy hell... i just call her ASHLING eeem ASH(like ash)-ling
@Micahlopl
@Micahlopl 6 ай бұрын
Fuck TFT ❤
@rsin314159
@rsin314159 6 ай бұрын
All it would take to replace TFT is 1 competent programmer, to write a good trading website that does the same stuff TFT does, but without the gossip and drama. Then have all the content creators shout it out as a good resource to use. That's it.
@null.dev.
@null.dev. 6 ай бұрын
There was ...poe.trade then GGG stole it. Make no mistake, GGG is providing rmter jenebu the back drops. Would love to see another ggg employer try to ban him and see what happens hah.
@1seanv
@1seanv 6 ай бұрын
Usually when odd behaviour or actions occur that seem out of proportion to a logical and reasonable response - there's an underlying motive or reason. When logic and reason fail to explain motive, there's a good chance something is amiss. ConnerHolmes
@F0r3v3r96
@F0r3v3r96 6 ай бұрын
TFT = Mafia !
@Crabunderscore
@Crabunderscore 6 ай бұрын
Bro mafia has standards
@loudpls751
@loudpls751 6 ай бұрын
Same as ever, this changes only if there is competition, as long as no one steps in nothing is going to change I personally dont care what happens to this, but I don't understand the people crying about this on Reddit like is going to solve itself The need for a new server community is on its highest ever, some streamer probably can push along and create a server to compete tft
@BelisariusCawl
@BelisariusCawl 6 ай бұрын
as a sidenote: moderators on reddit can pick and choose what replies the [M] tag is next to. For some reason.
@heqitao
@heqitao 6 ай бұрын
It's pretty obvious that GGG need to employ some people to run an official trade site that offers the same services as TFT. I've been saying this for years, and everyone seems to think its a crazy idea. It seems to be the only way to clean this drama up and remove the toxicity from their game. GGG need to do it NOW, before this crap spills into PoE 2.
@inceneration
@inceneration 6 ай бұрын
So you want GGG to pay people to manage a "Discord" "Tradesite" offering services that other people has while they are getting paid what? Isnt this the EXACT same thing as TFT is doing? The reason why its a Retarded idea. Not just crazy but RETARDED. Is because you are suggesting the exact same thing that tft is doing right now. You want GGG to monitor everything while being paid for it. Which means that GGG will be the ones controlling everything. If someone scams you ingame what happens when you report it? Fcking nothing. It says in the TOS. It is your job to control the outcome of the transaction that you make. If you counted wrong, thats your problem, if you get scammed thats your problem. So your entire idea is utter insane and you should search for help if you still think it is a good idea.
@jetrpg22
@jetrpg22 5 ай бұрын
Just allowing the current system to insta sell items would work fine. Nothign else needs to be done. Click buy it goes to a purchase stash.
@heqitao
@heqitao 5 ай бұрын
@@jetrpg22 There are two many other things that tft does that GGG need to take over. For Example selling Aislings, Boss carries, 5 ways just to name a few. They need to make it so that tft is no longer needed in the community in any way. In PoE 2 you will need to have collected enough (non-tradable) Gold to be able to purchase on the Auction House, a sort of, have you played enough tax. Which may seem fine on paper, but has many problems, especially at the high end where players want to pick as little as possible and for Mirror Tier crafters who don't actually play (map) that much. Simple solutions may just cause other issues, the whole drama with trade will not be easily fixed.
@jetrpg22
@jetrpg22 5 ай бұрын
@@heqitaoThey have a fix see alva.
@zacharycarter5226
@zacharycarter5226 6 ай бұрын
Needs to be removed. Ziz and Rue need to start a trade site. Fuck TFT. Been playing SSF and not going back now for sure lmao
@pavjoe2
@pavjoe2 6 ай бұрын
what's she talking about when she says 85 exalt plus the boots?
@ConnerConverse
@ConnerConverse 6 ай бұрын
The guy had some pair of like onslaught veritanias boots he was offering as being worth 35 exalts for a partial refund and was trying to tally what he actually had and wondered if i would accept that as being worth X currency
@pavjoe2
@pavjoe2 6 ай бұрын
I think if it were me that deleted the grasping mail I would be running flawless breachstones nonstop till I found a new one. or farm up the exalts which I felt was faster
@knappieboy
@knappieboy 6 ай бұрын
Never used TFT, always looked at it as a chore.
@user-sk4cx7me4b
@user-sk4cx7me4b 6 ай бұрын
Sherlock of Poe KEKW
@TimoRutanen
@TimoRutanen 6 ай бұрын
CSI: Path of Exile
@mobilegames4u
@mobilegames4u 6 ай бұрын
Thanks, good chat.
@pazzini_editor
@pazzini_editor 6 ай бұрын
if you want more people to know whats happening, make a 10min video going directly to the point.
@monkeychex3
@monkeychex3 6 ай бұрын
im here for the "mana bullshit"
@sirannonable
@sirannonable 6 ай бұрын
I don’t think GGG is with Jenebu in any way If anything they screwed him over by making hinekora’s locks non-legacy
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