RAY BOURQUE: It took me *22*

​@@dnasty312Marcel Dionne: I never won it

@@dnasty312legend

True but I can also say it took Crosby 4 years haha

I was gonna say the same thing

Or Draisaitl not to get so badly injured, he can’t play, like last year against Colorado.

Yeah plenty of teams made that mistake relying on one guy to carry them and never got anywhere.

Yep

​@@DarthABBA Yes, you need a whole team, not 4-5 players.

Good coaching move definitely have eichel playing against McDavid

He wasnt minus 4 last night idk where youre getting that from. But VGK shut him down as well as you could

@@oscargoldman4867 Yes sorry about that. You are correct. But McDavid was generally neutralized 5 on 5 all series. The first goal yesterday was poorly played by Hill but he recovered.

true

@@oscargoldman4867 I'm positive Drai was much more injured than he let on after that slash, just like we saw last year when it was clear he was on one leg and denied there being anything wrong. That slash and the league's lack of balls to call things correctly won it for Vegas.

Well, to be fair, the Vegas goalie didn’t look very good either in those opening minutes. Goalies often bounceback when they’re that shaky early on. Didn’t happen with Skinner though, they probably should have realized that sooner, might have shaken things up enough to light a bigger spark (although they did get almost twice the amount of shots as Vegas did so not sure how much more they could have pressed there).

100% facts!

Totally agree.

Maybe yeah but I dont think his salary is that much of a hurdle, Nurse + Campbell is where the bad money is imo

They had the best back to back playoffs from a Canadian team since the 2010-2011 Canucks. Yeah it's lookin pretty bad. It's why Canadian teams don't win cups.

* Darnell NURSE was behind the net on the OPPOSITE side ( his position ) for the KNIGHTS winning Goal !!!! wake up Oilers !!!!!!! A SLUG !

Yeah I like that idea

@@xxllbb55 yea darnel nurse, really , did not have a stellar playoff... at all..I wondered a few times if he was injured

I think you're absolutely right. Players are so focused on getting up the ice, they don't mind their own end. It has to start with defense.

@@xxllbb55 While technically you're right, the puck looked like it was going up and behind the net. The killer there was that Skinner hit it up and followed it with his eyes, but was paralyzed to do anything about it.

"Recently"? The last good D-man they had was Pronger in 06 and I can't remember when they had a good goalie

We lost by a tiny margin to the team that will probably win it all due to Skinner bot being ready. This isn’t a Laughs situation. Buy out Campbell, find a better support for Skinner, promote some prospects, it’s all good.

Defense, goaltending, depth scoring...

@@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge Same time, they had Roloson.

Yeah you’re right Will, tough spot

Combat Knitting -- I believe that Daryl Katz`s decision to hire and keep Kevin Lowe for years , hurt them a lot . He also hired , or allowed others to hire,Wayne Gretzky , Paul Coffey and Mark Messier at various times . They were great players , but , I don`t think they had the coaching or management skills to do the job . Katz knew all those players from the early 1980`s , when they were all young and getting their careers going . He as an entrepreneur, and, them as hockey players .

The Oilers are absolutely legitimate threats to win the cup each year. They were one of the favorites going into the playoffs this year and will be one of the favorites for next year. This of course doesn't guarantee you a cup as there are other teams in the way. Holland made several great moves this season, namely Kostin, Ekholm and Bjugstad. The Oilers will be fine, it's not an easy thing to win, it'll come.

Interesting, not too sure if they will explore trading him tho

Every other team who had him said the same thing. So much talent, so poor a team player

@@HockeyCircle I'd imagine trading him would be difficult due to the baggage that he brings.

@@oscargoldman4867 I am no fan of Evander Kane . I was totally opposed to them picking him up during the 2021-2022 season . However , he was a huge help , with hard play and plenty of goals . In 2022-2023 his injury hurt him a lot . ( He may very well start to be a problem after he is around a while . I couldn`t believe the stunt he pulled with his fake vaccine card , and, his gambling debts are also a red flag . However , I also note that it is Kane and not his " ex" who has custody of their child . )

​@williameddy3740 and also, the guy was on pace for a 100 point season before his injury and when he returned, the team played on another level. People can hate the guy all they want but you can't say he's a negative asset for this team.

They are close, just making those touch ups will be crucial because we saw some clear flaws

@@HockeyCircle they didn’t get blown out.. their flaws are things that are easy fixes in the off season. Couple small tweaks for next year. They could run it back with the exact same roster and they are still a cup contender. The Oilers are a good team, who just fell short. They don’t have a ton of flaws. They will be back competing for the cup again next year.

​@@oscargoldman4867 agreed, people tend to overlook that part of the game with players like Landeskog, Crosby, and such. Those two play just as hard on defense.

haha

I don’t even know what’s the point of having our Canadian teams if they never win anymore.

You get rid of Bettman who is OBSESSED with 'selling the game " to non hockey "fans." Problem fixed

Neither is any player on the seven Canadian teams.

@Hudson Graham I just said to my coworker another year of a Canadian team not winning the cup what an embarrassment

​@@hudsongraham649 It will NEVER happen with Bettman in charge

Nope if he want to get a cup he’ll have to leave Edmonton to go to US base team that’s only way he’s going to get a cup

Yeah crazy Eichel’s first playoff run too

hard to compare the 2 sports, I think Mcdavid and his contract are not the issue tbh

@@HockeyCircle the two sports?

A while true I just think Mcdavid is better than those guys (as great as they are) and Crosby took 4 years

Haha

Thats possible, its a good team for sure just a few flaws that prevents them from winning it all right now

Yeah, like McD & Drai playing defense.

very true

Thats a good point

We are cursed

Not as long as Bettman is around and calling the shots.

​@@HockeyCircle No such thing as a curse.

Truly a core that will take you nowhere

Yeah maybe just not sure I trust this d core and goaltending situation to go all the way

Or maybe teach the officials to call a penalty when they see it. Look what happened to Ekholm

@@hudsongraham649 Vegas had more overall penalty minutes series wide than the Oilers did. Meaning the Oilers had more power play chances total and just couldn’t hack it. Cope with it

@@Childofbhaal I can’t cope with Ekholm being mutilated with a stick

@@hudsongraham649 All I’m saying is penalties didn’t dictate the series. The knights were just better

@@Childofbhaal The Knights had better goaltending, I can agree on that.

Yeah exactly

But if the Oilers cant build a winning team in 11 years of Mcdavid, thats just a mega failure imo

First round exit to a Candiens team that secured their wild card spot on the last day of the regular season.

dont forget mackinnion i think his contract was still like 4.6mil, we won then he got his pay bump almost a 10 mil pay bump lol but he earned it for having that low contract for so many years and allowing us to build and sign ppl , like how can u make a good meal when u spent 98% of ur budget on the steak :/

Yep not a good look

yup look at us , mack took a friendly contract for years so we could build , wins a cup ok now u can pay me lol , not hey give me 12.5 right outta my entry level lmao oilers biggest mistake threw the years was that giving every 1st round pick 6 mil right off the bat and it not working out clrealy halls gone eberle , yakapov sure theres more lmao they had a alot lol how bout letting him prove him self for a year or 2 but nope pay dat man his monies lmao i love watching the oilers shit the bed

@@tophercabba the soilers weren't even supposed to win that draft lottery in 2015, I think everyone thought he was gonna go to BUF. of course they were happier than pigs in shit to throw the bank at him 🤣

I’d be down for the chaos but I doubt we see it

Lol

It seems a lot of Canadian teams fall into the trap of being obsessed with a few players and having a crap team around them (I mean Montreal only preformed as well as it did because of Price and now he’s gone they’re shit). They seem far more obsessed about having these players then actually getting any sort of results.

Yes trade him to the flames.

hahahaha

they're like the short school bus with a lift kit and front monster truck wheels LMAO

@@jimbob6270 That was probably the bus you took to school. You're probably a Leafs fan too

@@thabuddy3377 I'm not. If the soilers were playing in the ATL division they would consistently place 4th or 5th in the division, behind the Leafs, Bruins, and Lightning teams.

Yep , hardest trophy to win in pro sport ..that's partly why it is sooooooo Sweet to win

Ovi didn’t have a ton of young first rounder picks on his side either. Holtby was insane that year. He had a good year than went back to average. If it wasn’t for holtby, ovi still wouldn’t have a cup

Thats valid yeah, skinner was rushed a bit indeed

That's easy to say but not reality. Before the season Oilers fans were bragging about having Campbell, the GOAT was the term many used but what happened? There's no way of knowing how ANY player will be on any team. A number 1 goalie with one team could be a barely back up for another.

@@jeffreycairns767 he was a mistake - goalies are fickle things. Buying him out is 1.2 or 1.5m per year (depending on when), for 8 years. Not a big deal in grand scheme.

@@mkyhou1160 First off, I don't know why Edmonton would give him such a big contract. He was decent for Toronto but there's a reason they wouldn't pay him that much and not just because of the cap. Second, neither goalies are bad, the defense has been bad for many years in Edmonton. I don't think a top goalie alone would help at all. The entire team isn't good all around. I get that McDavid and Dri are dominant scorers but mainly on the power play. Take away the power plays and both aren't much. They need that advantage and neither are good defensively. You can't have a team that only dominates on the PP, have no real defensive forwards, have little defense plus a not great goalie and expect to go very far. If the 2 top guys learn D and can get a few more guys that can score 5v5, get some decent D, I do believe they'd have a great team. Don't rely on 1 goalie either. If you play the tandem and 1 of them gets hot than play him a few games more but you can't put everything on 1 goalie. Skinner was struggling so they should have started Campbell for a game or 2 and see how it goes. Unfortunately we're only fans and have no actual say to what happens with in the team. We think we know best but do we? It's not all cut and dry like most of think. My buddy plays for the Flames and he told me that he was like us when he was younger but quickly realized there's alot more to it. I don't know all the details but there's always more than meets the eye. Also, it's easy to judge players, coaches, etc while we're sitting on the couch watching the game but what it looks like to us vs what it actually is to them in real time is a huge difference. We have to remember that these are all pro athletes. It doesn't matter the amount of money they make, they're playing other pros.

@Riz Poonja well he captained the team to their last Cup....emphasis on team.

Yep

yep

Wow that’s insane to think about really, thanks for bringing that up. Crazy stat

'81? The Panthers weren't a team yet.

@@jeffreycairns767 The Oilers, in 1981 snuck into the playoffs. Like the Panthers this season. But the Panthers knocked out the 65 win Bruins and Lucy pulled out the Football, again, while Charlie Brown was trying to kick it in the second round. In 81, despite being 14th in the Standings, the Oilers swept the Third place Canadiens.

@@HockeyCircle Keep this in mind when you do another video. What omens are out there for other teams. Except Toronto. They’re simply trying to kick Lucy’s football.

@@johnburns9634 My bad, I misunderstood. The big difference though is the teams actually determined the winner, not the refs, not Bettman, not anyone else.

Skinners young. You buy out Campbel (it’s a cheap buy out), and find ankher starter. Defense is doing ok, just needed a few saves and would have won.

I think Skinner will learn a lot from this and was rushed into a high pressure role. His contract his very friendly, I think you keep him

100%

Crosby also just seems like a naturally gifted leader with grit and can rally the troops. He plays a two way game and can be depended on almost any time he’s on the ice. Willing to block shots, etc. play the dirty areas. That’s where I feel McDavid is lacking. He’s an offensive phenom but a captain should be your sort of gritty two way player who is reliable

​@childofbhaal Crosby was not a two-way player when he first started. When these guys start to slow down. They become 2 way players to maintain valuable. Their issue is so much deeper then McDavid contract. Although it doesn't help. I would wager that nurses contract is more of a hindrance then McDavids.

@@kylejordan2654 McDavid should take a page from Crosby’s book. He’s so talented he could absolutely level up his defensive game and become a great two way player. I wonder if he buys into all the hype around him and how many points he scores

In terms of cap % it’s very similar if not less relative money for Mcdavid

Nobody can take you serious bro especially when your name is Vegas Andrew tf 😂

Yeah some truth in that for sure

Come back with that same energy when Vegas get eliminated next round bud! The Oilers did not loose to a better team, the Oilers mistakes and the refs letting Vegas get away serious penalties cost them this series . Vegas got whooped more often then not by the Oilers in regular season ,but they have ''no depth'' LOOOL!! Btw you can thank Edmonton for your Vegas Goalie ,born in raised in E-town!! Where the greatest players to ever play the game have came from!!

they will never get that cause they gave a bag of pucks 9,2 mil a year lmao

Is Moritz Seider really that good that he is a superstar allready

haha fair point

Talk to Toronto about bringing McJesus home! Oilers could fleece TO

In 3 years… could happen

@@HockeyCircle Leafs are in contract “heck” right now.

Campbell rescued one game with LA ..100%.

You realize that we didn't have our #1 goalie for any game in the playoff. Lb was #3 and hill was #2 for the year. Our d line helps make up for that outside of the oilers 1st line Skinner got zero help from defenders. 2nd and 4th line for oilers were exploitable. 3rd line was streaky per game and the first line was playing heavy minutes to carry the load. Its a poorly constructed team that was too reliant on their strength and only had 1 way to win which was to outscore teams through powerplay.

indeed

esp? haha

That is very true

exactly haha

You conveniently forgot to mention - oilers might also not have made it to the post season without skinner, too. There's a reason Campbell wasn't played, and in case you're forgetting, he wasn't invincible in the time he played in relief, he got scored on as well. Which is probably the main reason Woodcroft was reluctant to put him in as the starter. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Just admit it, Ken Holland made a doozy last summer signing him to that contract.

Yeah I agree

Agreed

true

true..

Lol ya because they are way better at winning cups. 😂

lol the refs are on no ones side thats the point lmao

That's what I'm saying. Don't change the core. I honestly think it boils down to desire and approach.

Thats very valid, I think the Oilers are closer than the Leafs tho

I think they are to blame because of decisions such as the Nurse contract and the Campbell FA signing. The Oilers are closer than the Leafs tho i'll give you that.

@@HockeyCircle Disagree, the Leafs are way ahead of the Oilers. The Leafs lost because Florida shut down the top lines. There were no blowouts. Oilers D is terrible, that's what they have to work on. They were hoping to avoid their D problem by paying big bucks to Campbell. OOPS.

LOL

yeah true but you can also say it took Crosby 4 years, that argument can be used both ways haha

Grant fuhr eh , lol ... maybe they can sign Bobby Orr on D 😆

@@cindyhaduik7171 I was sticking to former Oilers, but yeah, Bobby is still more mobile than some of today's defensemen.

@@skippy675 I was just kidding around, but love Bobby Orr lol

@@cindyhaduik7171 gotcha. As a neutral observer I was actually hoping for a TOR vs EDM final. Just to witness a massive collective apoplectic frenzy in Canada. Not to be. Interesting that a team like Seattle still has a chance as a 2nd year team, while McJesus and co. are out once again.

@@skippy675 Vegas was pretty " Cinderella " their first year too....

yeah not the best stats there :/

Answer: they are both black!

Sorry, I had my years mixed up, that was 2021-2022 regular season. This passed regular season was still them at the highest! 28, 25 penalties. Kostin is creeping up in them with 22 penalties. I don't care what their skin colour is. We could find some subset of humans that we lost in Antarctica where their skin colour is blue, and the have skates for feet. If they take an obscene amount of penalties that cost the team wins, then I don't want them on my team.

yeah exactly

Yep I agree

oh oh

yeah I agree

Exactly, couldn’t say it any better.

Leon and McDavid are great yes but still their talents are mainly pure offense. Both of them are mediocre two way players and can’t be depended on unless it’s scoring. Oilers need some more gritty forwards who will block shots, play hard defense and take it to the gritty areas

That's why we call them the Edmonton McDraisaitls out east

@@joescott4778 Out East? Wtf is out east that gives you that right? The LAFFS?

@@mikem9536 THeLaFFsSuCkBaDd Coming from an Oilers fan, I'll put that directly where it belongs, up your puckered asshole

Agreed

Thats truee

haha

yeah fair

true true

They will have too because they cant afford anything other options

@@HockeyCircle Are you fucked in the head? Seriously

Yeah first year too for Skinner, thats a lot of his shoulders

I could see it

yeah exactly

yeah he was also carried a big load for his first real season in the league