Saruman and Dwarves Vs Far Harad Battle Report! ~ Middle Earth SBG

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Conquest Creations

Conquest Creations

9 ай бұрын

In this video Jordy and I are playing a league game in the Melbourne slow grow league. The winner of this game will progress to the finals while the looser will be eliminated!
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@OnboardMotherToo
@OnboardMotherToo 8 ай бұрын
I've only recently dived into MESBG, and have been looking at quite a few battle reports. Unlike other games, it's often not easy to follow what's happening in MESBG games, there are no clear unit movements, no units completely broken, etc. But your reports are super easy to follow, both because of the explanantions and the narrative structure. I absolutely adore them, and many thanks for all the work you put into them! Much appreciated!
@princev8283
@princev8283 9 ай бұрын
Omg Jordy every time his fun alliance armies are giving me New inspiration, this man makes armies after my own heart
@smoothbrush4722
@smoothbrush4722 9 ай бұрын
Lovely painted miniatures, superb color scheme, and bases. Tough battle.
@theswampcastlebard1587
@theswampcastlebard1587 9 ай бұрын
Dang, what timing. Been binging these batreps since my friend is semi forcing me into the game. It's been super helpful to listen to to get an idea of the rules
@joshmortimer3433
@joshmortimer3433 9 ай бұрын
Great Batrep as ever. Saruman was great in this. loved watching.
@hunsler1006
@hunsler1006 9 ай бұрын
Wow that was brutal, can't wait for the bree terrain and god those armies looked good
@HeiSann1
@HeiSann1 9 ай бұрын
Great video as always! at the 11:30 mark, Thorin would not be able to charge the mahud king because he would enter the mahud warriors control zone first. Also, i think you are allowed to shield while transfixed, are you not?
@Pabloski072037
@Pabloski072037 9 ай бұрын
I think if you are in of the 1'' of control zone u cant ignore it. If u are transfixed u can't shield 100%.
@hlm896
@hlm896 9 ай бұрын
Unless I'm reading your comment wrong or misunderstanding- he seemed closer to the king in the video.. If that were the case he'd be able to charge the king. It looks about 1mm from the king and maybe 1cm from the warrior. I'm curious to hear what you think :)
@Pabloski072037
@Pabloski072037 9 ай бұрын
@@hlm896 So, you are saying Thorin can charge the Mahud King? If so, we think the same. Sorry for the bad english, not my first language :).
@HeiSann1
@HeiSann1 9 ай бұрын
@@hlm896 Kings control zone is already cancelled. To be able to charge him he has to enter the mahud warriors control zone first, thus charging him
@hlm896
@hlm896 9 ай бұрын
@@HeiSann1 Seen, You're right he'd have to charge the Mahud warrior and therefore not be able to join the fight with the King due to pairing off. Thanks for pointing this out
@user-je6ou4xh4m
@user-je6ou4xh4m 9 ай бұрын
Such a brutal battle. Awesome.
@jesuschristsupersta1
@jesuschristsupersta1 9 ай бұрын
Brutal, excited for the bree terrain!
@PMMagro
@PMMagro 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful models in this one!
@rosaryenjoyer739
@rosaryenjoyer739 5 ай бұрын
That camel charge was such a huge misplay
@haukem766
@haukem766 9 ай бұрын
Really nice battle report! I am pretty new to the game but love to think & talk about tactics. Jacob, it seems like part of your army (whole left flank & few units in the middle) weren’t involved in the fight at all or joined very late. This way, it was basically 100% of Jordy’s army vs. 70% of yours. One idea how you could have solved this: You had superior mobility with your cavalry. By deploying your units very far from Jordy’s army, you could have leveraged your cavalry’s mobility to move AROUND the dwarfs while your infantry would have waited in the back. This then could have allowed you to hit the dwarfs at the same time with the full strength of your infantry (from the front) AND cavalry (from the back). Curios to hear what you & the rest of you think about it? :)
@Liam_TheNoob
@Liam_TheNoob 9 ай бұрын
I think the problem there would be the superior range that Saruman had over Jacobs Kings, had he stayed back a turn or two none of the kings would have had camels anymore and that would have killed Jacobs killing power. Granted they mostly lost their camels anyway but I see the idea behind Jacobs original deployment
@haukem766
@haukem766 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@smoothgarak9537
@smoothgarak9537 9 ай бұрын
those Harad look amazing!
@babisdikiozoglou5296
@babisdikiozoglou5296 9 ай бұрын
Great battle report as always! Where can i find these awesome Erebor bases?
@Corppi22
@Corppi22 9 ай бұрын
Was the move for Thorin to join into Thrain's combat at 11:30 legal? The Mahud King doesnt have a control zone but it looks like there's an unengaged Mahud behind who definitely is within 1" of Thorin. I dont think Thorin can move in that situation into just the King. Pretty sure Thorin would have to charge the regular Mahud and therefore wouldnt be able to help Thrain
@muesliman100
@muesliman100 9 ай бұрын
Well, the guy behind should have backed away, but conquest creations was holding the camera so not having away
@muesliman100
@muesliman100 9 ай бұрын
Technically trapping your own guys by not backing away is allowed, but then Thorin would have gotten double dice, theoretically it's an interesting move
@Corppi22
@Corppi22 9 ай бұрын
@@muesliman100 Not even theoretically I'd say. That's imo an obvious place where you'd not back away as thorin with a support is so likely to kill the model anyway. Definitely a move i've seen in tournaments.
@muesliman100
@muesliman100 9 ай бұрын
@Corppi22 whether it even works depends on if Thorin can reach the king while staying equidistant from the warrior, I think he is already within an inch when the move starts. It isn't exactly clear from this camera angle
@michel8666
@michel8666 8 ай бұрын
As allways your battlereports are the best and I cant wait untill the next one arrives. I have a question: where did you get the dice tray that you normally use (the wooden one with the metal legs) I would love to get me one! Thanks and keep up the fantastic work !! Regards Lowlandr
@goforitpainting
@goforitpainting 9 ай бұрын
Cool.
@elliotjoyce5854
@elliotjoyce5854 9 ай бұрын
Wow what points was this? Can I get a written list for that erebor army? Amazing battle rep!
@finnbruton7274
@finnbruton7274 9 ай бұрын
Finally a win for the dwarves!
@JosephSDodd
@JosephSDodd 9 ай бұрын
You never want to call a game before it starts but dear god this is an atrocious match-up for Far Harad. Off the top of my head i'm struggling to think of a worse one
@darchensol5112
@darchensol5112 2 ай бұрын
what terrain set are those trees from?
@CapitanCorner
@CapitanCorner 8 ай бұрын
Cool video! Thorin can't charge the king after the heroic combat. He can't ignore the control zone of the mahud warrior next to the king. It's pretty obvious... come on guys
@elliotjoyce5854
@elliotjoyce5854 9 ай бұрын
Next question. Loved the army jordie. Do you have an army list? Any reason other than theme you didnt take thror and his upgraded guardians?
@twotowerspodcast
@twotowerspodcast 9 ай бұрын
Hey mate! Actually deliberately not taking Thror was the genesis of this list. I think the rules writers shoehorning near mandatory characters for a list detracts from list building freedom. So I ran army of Thrain instead of army of Thror. Honestly the S3 didn’t hinder the list even against D6 as we’d attrition them down with throwing weapons and enough combats.
@elliotjoyce5854
@elliotjoyce5854 9 ай бұрын
@@twotowerspodcast what points was this played at?
@thefinalseries
@thefinalseries 9 ай бұрын
Think splitting your force up and not capitalising on your shooting cost you the game. Should have huddled up and sat back and shot for a turn or two.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 9 ай бұрын
The reason I didn't spend time shooting here was because I would need 6/4 to wound and Saruman could be using his sorcerous blast to do damage to me at range. Every turn that I wasn't trying to fight would be another camel lost
@mohastgridlock
@mohastgridlock 9 ай бұрын
Honest question, why deploy so close?
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. In this game I think both Jordy and I were concerned about the ranger threat of the other army. My Mahud only have 12" range blow pipes while his only have 6" range throwing weapons and a 12" range sorcerous blast. If I had gone further back I likely would have lost a lot more of my cavalry before the fighting had started and I knew that they were my best units for killing Jordy's troops
@michaelthurley1651
@michaelthurley1651 9 ай бұрын
Brah Big daddy S is fight 5, I've found charging with him clutch in a few games. Hes your major control piece with great courage and spells and mid to low tier combat mid tear on horse low tier on foot so you basicly use him how ever you can to buff lines and control the board. Saruman has i think along with witch king and galadriel the best control game in mesbg and the good version has command so synergistically loves attrition bricks, so you are flinging f5 onto 4 dice combats very often and either its a limousine captains might for heroic combat or a wizard blasted line for 2 wounding dice. I just find the comment not recomending charging with saruman a bit weak particularily where he isnt out fighted by the hero.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! The reason to bring Saruman is for his magic. If you put him in the front row and charge into combat you only have a 50% chance to move first. If your enemy moves and charges into him then he isn't casting a spell that turn. Especially in this game if its the difference between one extra kill in combat on a Mahud warrior or sorcerous blasting and potentially killing two cavalry, or a king's camel its clear that the magic is significantly more important. Now there are certainly times where you will need to charge him in but in my opinion this should only be in a desperate time rather than just to get more attacks in the fight.
@EricvonGuttemberg
@EricvonGuttemberg 9 ай бұрын
Well, Hobbit vs no-Hobbit armies. Mahûds barely stood any chance there.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 9 ай бұрын
Overall Hobbit armies preform worse than Lord of the Rings armies according to the statistics. This was just a bad match up for Mahud
@doubleoblit
@doubleoblit 9 ай бұрын
@@ConquestCreations you're appealing to some incredibly unreliable "statistics".
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 9 ай бұрын
@@doubleoblit over 5000 games is a decent amount of data but I do agree it isn't fully reliable. I do however stand by the fact that there is no difference between the power level of the Hobbit and LOTR era armies. Recently in the Australian Masters tournament, the largest one in Australia, there were only 2 Hobbit era armies in the top 10
@ArchangelTyrael
@ArchangelTyrael 3 ай бұрын
Is the Far Harad guy using a Lizzardmen/Seraphon banner?
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 3 ай бұрын
Yeah that is an old banner from the Saurus Warriors kit
@leonk.3739
@leonk.3739 9 ай бұрын
You can't do anything when you don't roll a 6 on the thrown rider test so Saruman wouldn't be able to call a heroic combat as far as I know
@giovdb
@giovdb 9 ай бұрын
He can’t move or make strikes, but he can call heroics
@doubleoblit
@doubleoblit 9 ай бұрын
@@giovdb you can't do "anything", so you can't call heroics. It's a pretty common tactic to shoot out horses for this reason.
@stormtrooprgary
@stormtrooprgary 9 ай бұрын
A result of 1 on the Thrown Rider table mentions that they may still declare Heroic Actions, but will be unable to move, shoot, or make strikes as normal. I think this logically would translate to results of 2-5 as well.
@doubleoblit
@doubleoblit 9 ай бұрын
@@stormtrooprgary is that in the new rulebook? I don't see it in the old one.
@giovdb
@giovdb 9 ай бұрын
@@doubleoblit FAQ answers this. Go check it out. It specifically lists what you can’t do. Heroics is fine, Saruman just couldn’t move as part of that heroic.
@szilarderki5449
@szilarderki5449 9 ай бұрын
Pointless and boring game. 😢
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