Conserving one of the oldest photographs in MoMA's collection | CONSERVATION STORIES

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The Museum of Modern Art

The Museum of Modern Art

4 жыл бұрын

Tarnish is slowly engulfing one of the oldest objects in MoMA's collection, a daguerreotype from 1842 capturing two separate images-the Arch of Septimius Severus and Capitoline Lion in the Roman Forum. Within two years of the invention of photography, Joseph-Philibert Girault de Prangey, a French aristocrat, assembled a team to travel the Mediterranean and make over a thousand images of the region’s cities, people, and ruins. These early daguerreotypes projected images directly onto silver plates, like a mirror imprinting a reflection onto its polished surface. Akin to Polaroids, they were unique photographic objects that offered no convenient method of replication.
In our second episode of Conservation Stories, Lee Ann Daffner, MoMA’s Andrew W. Mellon Foundation Conservator, explores the sensitive chemistry of removing tarnish from early photographic images. “There’s a real art and science to the cleaning,” Daffner explains. “Not only do you have to know the systems and materials and types of deterioration, but you need to know when to stop.”
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@inuktittussen2164
@inuktittussen2164 4 жыл бұрын
KZfaqs algorithms of me watching Baumgartner, got me here.
@juliegreene975
@juliegreene975 4 жыл бұрын
Being a middle school teacher I am struck with the serenity of her job.
@isaacbush3491
@isaacbush3491 4 жыл бұрын
These videos are so, SO frickin cool. Bravo to MOMA for putting out this series in anticipation for the reopening. Please continue!
@jeenkzk5919
@jeenkzk5919 4 жыл бұрын
I love looking at early photographs! Though I love the paintings of the period, photography shows the actual person. It’s a moment in time that will never happen again but that moment is somewhat preserved.
@MariaTorres-hc5uq
@MariaTorres-hc5uq 4 жыл бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="77">1:17</a> the god damned camel moved...Sacré bleu!!
@laurenwallis3319
@laurenwallis3319 4 жыл бұрын
She sounds so thoughtful and intelligent and UGH, her hair is gorgeous!
@promontorium
@promontorium 4 жыл бұрын
Great wisdom in deciding if you can't absolutely restore something, and might actually lose some of the picture in the process, then to leave it alone. There may be a solution in the future where damaging an image today can never be undone.
@pchinnIII
@pchinnIII 4 жыл бұрын
That was a really wonderful description of a photographic process and the conservation process. A subject that could become incredibility boring was made interesting by Lee Ann Daffner. Great voice. There was also an element of danger in watching her handle the print. surprisingly entertaining.
@robbielosee
@robbielosee 4 жыл бұрын
I recently saw a photo like this and was amused at how, when looking from different angles (or with lighter/darker objects reflecting in the “mirror” perhaps?) the image appears to shift between positive and negative.
@silverporsche1959
@silverporsche1959 4 жыл бұрын
I have a question when removing the polyester in many years from now. What are the chances that the particles stick to the polyester rather than stay on the silver plate?
@mypureimagination
@mypureimagination 4 жыл бұрын
How do you become a conservator? like what degree do you need?
@allissondiego1989
@allissondiego1989 4 жыл бұрын
I have a huge respect for these professionals who keep the fragile past conserved
@malinisalimbabu9169
@malinisalimbabu9169 4 жыл бұрын
I love conserving old photographs
@flemaster12
@flemaster12 4 жыл бұрын
Those photos have better graphics than most video games nowadays
@fred6059
@fred6059 4 жыл бұрын
Where I work underground are thousands of audio recordings and old photos are preserved.
@onetuliptree
@onetuliptree 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting to learn more about early photography through conservation.
@janineharrison5186
@janineharrison5186 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent! She really knows her stuff! A pleasure to learn about the process.
@walmiracosta3220
@walmiracosta3220 3 жыл бұрын
If MomA videos were subtitled, their access in Brazil would be very large.
@Rufio629
@Rufio629 4 жыл бұрын
The guy who took the photo kind of looks like Rob Schneider
@marinamarioni6384
@marinamarioni6384 4 жыл бұрын
But where did she get that scalpel handle? It looks like a carved wooden braid. I want one!
@53660winston
@53660winston 4 жыл бұрын
TY for making this vid. I studied photography @ Pratt and @ NYU. This video is really nice to see. And if y'all remeber A Photographers Place I worked there too. Harvey did dags. And we sold a lot of them.
@cl759
@cl759 4 жыл бұрын
Bwahahahah, I thumbed this up intuitively not knowing it would, beside being interesting, touch on a subject that is a pet peeve of mine: bloody silver tarnishing.
@batchint
@batchint 4 жыл бұрын
we have a hundred year old family portrait that's printed onto a 15x12 inch frame probably from a certain field camera with over a hundred people in it.. in a garden - because of the age it's difficult to recognize whom is who unless it goes maybe through a studio copier but probably wont bring out any more detail
@brendathompson3758
@brendathompson3758 2 жыл бұрын
each of these videos is so captivating....
@johnholtz1205
@johnholtz1205 4 жыл бұрын
This is real work. Bravo
@icc1091
@icc1091 4 жыл бұрын
omg conservation we stan
@amhall1970
@amhall1970 4 жыл бұрын
She’s a lovely woman. She was obviously loves her job.
@tonytfuntek3262
@tonytfuntek3262 4 жыл бұрын
Why didn't they enclose it into an airtight frame, possibly utilizing an inert gas or a vacuum?
@kurtbarlow9402
@kurtbarlow9402 4 жыл бұрын
Silver is a "pure" metal. It was used in both photography (either a deguerreotype or the silver nitrate used in development of b+w pix) and as the backing of mirrors. This is why I never used to cast a reflection, or appear in photos. Modern mirrors are made of aluminum, and photos are (mostly) digital nowadays, so no problem.
@photographedemode
@photographedemode 4 жыл бұрын
Love this video, learned quite a bit. Definitely a thumbs up. (Why wear gloves if you're going to touch your hair? I've worked in labs, even touching your hair once is too much)
@charmerci
@charmerci 3 жыл бұрын
Silver and sulfur - a love story.
@ritamorris2352
@ritamorris2352 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this video. Very interesting and informative.
@thejayflats
@thejayflats 4 жыл бұрын
Randomly stumbled upon this video...thank you @KZfaq
@tubeyhamster
@tubeyhamster 4 жыл бұрын
What a cool job.
@horacegentleman3296
@horacegentleman3296 4 жыл бұрын
I have SO many from the American civil war era.
@jazziered142
@jazziered142 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@karimmendas8980
@karimmendas8980 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@arbel7655
@arbel7655 11 ай бұрын
This is an absolute dream job for me!
@brycemorgan7241
@brycemorgan7241 4 жыл бұрын
What is the piece in the background? Love that music.
@bigboxbobby2
@bigboxbobby2 4 жыл бұрын
It looks just like one of the Lions that guard Nelsons Column in Trafalgar Square in London to me.
@animoshho
@animoshho 4 жыл бұрын
The adhesive on the tape, does it contain sulfur?
@jewelhenson3034
@jewelhenson3034 2 жыл бұрын
This is for my Art Appreciation class. I have to visit a gallery but due to covid I have the choice to watch these videos, which sounds much easier to do than work in my busy schedule a live visit.
@StrawberryNinjaNibbles
@StrawberryNinjaNibbles 4 жыл бұрын
Someone explain to me how she got this job. Like what did she go to school for? What experience was needed etc? Thanks very interested
@sshep7119
@sshep7119 4 жыл бұрын
MoMA, Would enveloping the plate in an inert gas such as Argon or Krypton be beneficial to ensuring longevity of the image by limiting exposure to atmospheric oxidation and contamination?
@evelynfidler6285
@evelynfidler6285 4 жыл бұрын
is the glass light filtering?
@leelee7995
@leelee7995 4 жыл бұрын
Sulphur and silver, still a better love story than Twilight
@kosinus
@kosinus 4 жыл бұрын
I hope they did some kind of highrez scan of these
@Lifelikesky
@Lifelikesky 4 жыл бұрын
I have much respect for the work that you do Mrs Daffner but I have two questions!! One: Shouldn't you be wearing a mask when talking in front of such sensitive photographs considering micro droplets of saliva could affect these artworks chemically??? Two: Were these Daguerreotypes digitally scanned in super high resolution in case anything happens to them in the future?? Keep up the great work!!
@omanuelsa
@omanuelsa 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing
@vivek-1318
@vivek-1318 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@slurms7627
@slurms7627 4 жыл бұрын
when she says "24 centimeter exactly" 😭
@WickBeavers
@WickBeavers 8 ай бұрын
Could he not get that camel to stand still for 2.38 minutes? Fabulous Video, thanks.
@TheBlackSpiral
@TheBlackSpiral 4 жыл бұрын
Joseph-Philibert Girault de Prangey looks an awful lot like a classy ‎Rob Schneider.
@nichiniker
@nichiniker 4 жыл бұрын
Why not flood the case environment with argon or another Inert gas?
@AlasdairGR
@AlasdairGR 4 жыл бұрын
No camera sensor we invent will ever have higher resolution than light being focused through a lens right onto a medium.
@JarcodeRover
@JarcodeRover 4 жыл бұрын
He looks like Rob Schneider :P
@metalmicky
@metalmicky 3 жыл бұрын
Do you make a copy with modern technology ?
@jdmderick
@jdmderick 4 жыл бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="38">00:38</a> Rob Schneider is that you???????
@transnistria4237
@transnistria4237 4 жыл бұрын
Not really any conservation but I still appreciate it!
@kabutocub
@kabutocub 4 жыл бұрын
With absolutely ZERO knowledge regarding this field... I wonder, why not vacuum seal it?
@benjaminmarks8765
@benjaminmarks8765 4 жыл бұрын
If you like this, check out Baumgartner's channel for painting restorations
@spoonerpurple
@spoonerpurple 4 жыл бұрын
she looks like Judy Garland
@helenarose580
@helenarose580 4 жыл бұрын
Wow
@Mike-om3ly
@Mike-om3ly 4 жыл бұрын
Okay but why does he look like Rob Schneider?
@judyjudy4900
@judyjudy4900 Жыл бұрын
Why is there no credit or identification of the compositions and performing artist of the music ?
@sittingstill3578
@sittingstill3578 2 жыл бұрын
There was no information about the cleaning method and materials alluded to.
@abcvideoyoutuization
@abcvideoyoutuization 4 жыл бұрын
Are these daguerreotype digitized?
@giantasparagus
@giantasparagus 4 жыл бұрын
What a G
@megacrispy2553
@megacrispy2553 4 жыл бұрын
He looks like Rob Schneider
@grelgen
@grelgen 3 жыл бұрын
did they at least mount it on an axle so the observer could turn it over and see the other exposure?
@codysett1
@codysett1 4 жыл бұрын
Shit is crazy detailed. Also how the FUCK do these guys come up with this shit
@princeofwales4634
@princeofwales4634 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine she drops it by mistake....
@Floweroftheprairie2720
@Floweroftheprairie2720 Жыл бұрын
Where does one got to school for this?
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 4 жыл бұрын
I would have suggest not plastic under the glass, because the additional reflections are disturbing. Further I would have created a sealed glass box full of nitrogen, in which the object resides, or in addition if the object is actually giving off some chemical that is self destructive, some sort of neutralizing agent. Sealing it up seals whatever it emits in.
@mooltz
@mooltz 4 жыл бұрын
Borosilicate glass is what's used for the best smoking apparatuses.
@skellez83
@skellez83 4 жыл бұрын
ALUMINUM
@otto16121970
@otto16121970 4 жыл бұрын
but if these “photo’s” were taken in Europe.....how did it get in the USA?
@lohphat
@lohphat 4 жыл бұрын
I can't believe that work was done under bright light instead of in a dimmed, temperature controled room.
@rebeccaliebregts
@rebeccaliebregts 4 жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or does Prangey look a lot like Rob Schneider?
@annegoodreau4925
@annegoodreau4925 Жыл бұрын
Why is she handling these things without gloves until almost 5 1/2 minutes in?
@julianjtvg5108
@julianjtvg5108 4 жыл бұрын
Why not seal it in a container filled with a gas that wont cause it to tarnish, if it even exists
@Alan1970B
@Alan1970B 4 жыл бұрын
Daguerreotypes are not prints they are plates.
@ImaginaryMdA
@ImaginaryMdA 4 жыл бұрын
...until some idiot smashes into it with a selfie stick...
@Dog.soldier1950
@Dog.soldier1950 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe in 50-200 yrs other better technologies will be developed
@Ergogeorge
@Ergogeorge 3 жыл бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="131">2:11</a> - is this postmodernism?
@migranthawker2952
@migranthawker2952 9 ай бұрын
Fascinating! Two things I don't understand - 1: why have that dreadful "music" constantly in the background and 2: why do you Americans insist on wrongly pronouncing aluminium as "aliminem"?
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 4 жыл бұрын
The glass looks poor, why would I be seeing reflections of window light off of museum glass?
@CHAOTICREATIONS
@CHAOTICREATIONS 4 жыл бұрын
I just didn't get the impression that all that was necessary..
@antigen4
@antigen4 4 жыл бұрын
Would be more interesting to bleach and redevelop it
@jasonrusso151
@jasonrusso151 3 ай бұрын
what if you find out later that your Cutie Felty Purplely Blocky Blockies are harmful to whatever you can invent on the spot in that particular moment miss human resources conserving lady? pan.....?....oh the m is silent. like calm.
@user-sw5bq3ek8q
@user-sw5bq3ek8q 4 жыл бұрын
this was not conservation.
@isaacbush3491
@isaacbush3491 4 жыл бұрын
These videos are so, SO frickin cool. Bravo to MOMA for putting out this series in anticipation for the reopening. Please continue!
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