Destiny joins the Hippy Dippy round-table hosted by Dylan Burns to debate the Ukraine vs Russia situation ft. Taftja, Adam Something, Pixelsmixel, Parker Sedgwick, Conspiracy Castle, Kevin Castley and Christian Watson...
@narmi31342 жыл бұрын
What’s the song in the intro?
@Gogofam1232 жыл бұрын
My father is Georgian and my mother is Ukrainian and I live in Russia, listening 9 Americans talk about shit that’s going on here is just hilarious 😂 . At least destiny is somewhat correct
@Baltasarmk2 жыл бұрын
@@Gogofam123 my father is Russian but he is serving in a Ukrainian military. My mother Ukrainian, and I live in Ukraine. They are all wrong. The only one who is right is Dutch court on MH-17 case.
@ccsweet22 жыл бұрын
i want to be able to see the fucking rust gameplay august REE
@PedroTricking2 жыл бұрын
@@Baltasarmk howar e they wrong?
@binkleyme Жыл бұрын
"Russia would steamroll Ukraine in a matter of days" that one didn't age quite so well
@kais.16843 күн бұрын
Nope
@freefallingband2 жыл бұрын
The libertarian guy is the embodiment of "Im writing a 2,000 word essay but only have 120 words of content"
@anglozombie24852 жыл бұрын
there are far better libertarians they could have gotten on
@Ryuu442 жыл бұрын
Bold move for the conspiracy guy to start his presentation with such a bold, non compromise attack on Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump, both TV stars turned politicians just like "the Ukrainian guy".
@KyleAPemberton2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the exact same shit.
@jamalihamilton78662 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@colinjohnson64542 жыл бұрын
At least Vladomir Zelensky played the role of a president in his TV show. More experience than Trump.
@FaceJP242 жыл бұрын
I mean... that was obviously the joke, right? You can tell he's insincere about a lot of his positions. Certain points, you can see when he actually is sincere and it just makes the joke parts more obvious.
@kehlva80922 жыл бұрын
@@FaceJP24 There is no such thing as insincere meming. Everything he says he's fully advocating for, he's just extremely willing to "it's a joke breh! Don't actually hold me responsible for what i said!" as an excuse to drop it without getting dunked on after.
@francisxavier83742 жыл бұрын
"russia is in nato" "the taliban are the mujahideen" "im based in reality!" i love this guy
@pierredelecto70692 жыл бұрын
Mohammed Omar, founders of the Taliban, was in fact in the mujahideen, as was most of the early members. Russia in NATO? That's silly.
@pierredelecto70692 жыл бұрын
@@subnetplayer490 do you consider them separate and distinct entities even though their membership overlaps? Not sure why the need for that much distinction here.
@xvvxvvxvvx2 жыл бұрын
@@pierredelecto7069 yes. Overlap doesn't mean they're the same. The Mujahideen was fighting in a totally different context and had different motivations than the taliban. Same situation with baathists who joined ISIS.
@rishisivakumar20132 жыл бұрын
@@pierredelecto7069 after the fall of the mujahideen the leaders were pretty split with a majority supporting the northern alliance and some supporting the Taliban. You can't really consider the Taliban the successor of the mujahideen when half or more of it's leaders apposing them in a civil war no?
@Breadbored.2 жыл бұрын
@@pierredelecto7069 Person was part of group X and group Y, therefore group X and group Y are the same thing? That's not a good argument.
@hunteravallone2 жыл бұрын
I'm learning so much from these Oxford debaters!
@ihateyou80062 жыл бұрын
Hunter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stay awesome brodi.
@AspiringSpaceWizard2 жыл бұрын
Lol thats hilarious coming from you. The biggest online grifter speaking with such conviction and ego on topics .
@sethturnbull5542 жыл бұрын
@@AspiringSpaceWizard Lmao, relax dude.
@twistedfox94452 жыл бұрын
@@AspiringSpaceWizard ye stop speaking with conviction, unconfidence is hip
@TheGreatJ2 жыл бұрын
@@AspiringSpaceWizard can you provide any example of him grifting?
@skyefox2 жыл бұрын
This is the first Dylan panel that rivals a Prime panel in it's absolute lunacy.
@sameash31532 жыл бұрын
The first?
@rll12362 жыл бұрын
u missed the huke debate?
@Ryuu442 жыл бұрын
I love it when people have a cool answer like "we should use our diplomatic authority" but with 0 ideas what to do. Especially when someone adds that sanctions are allegedly immoral.
@DudokX2 жыл бұрын
Diplomatic authority AKA "X is deeply concerned"
@AlbinovSK2 жыл бұрын
Ironically enough, sanctions are a textbook example of a diplomatic solution. I have no idea what that guy imagines under 'using diplomacy'.
@KilimnikGenya2 жыл бұрын
What you described is Kevin Castley 101 😂
@matsab79302 жыл бұрын
i know... he shifts the qualifiers for imperialism, brandished america following through on its promises as imperialistic and then used that labelling to suggest it's immoral and therefore should not be done. I was hoping to god someone would just bite the bullet and answer 'if this is how you want to define imperialism then i'm okay with america being imperialistic in this fashion'. God i wanted that to happen so badly
@swingrope2 жыл бұрын
If you're ever worried about not making it as a streamer or debater, remember Conspiracy Castle exists
@moisuomi2 жыл бұрын
His name is Alex Stein
@armandoocana4092 жыл бұрын
The conversation went from "what is the morally right thing to do" to "what would happen if we did x" except none of these people know enough history or general foreign negotiation strategy to be able to guess what would happen if we did x
@TheJudoJoker2 жыл бұрын
Adam Something knew his shit.
@wiczus61022 жыл бұрын
Nah man, that chick bottom right? She's reincarnation of Sun Tzu. And the guy on middle top? This great mind holds the knowledge of 6 thousand years of philosophy, Kant and Nietzsche can't even hold a candle.
@guffeluffe59872 жыл бұрын
@@wiczus6102 Even Gaius Julius Ceasar, and Alexander the Great, arguably the greatest and most successfull generals of all times could debate with these genius and experts of warfare that is twitch debate streamers. We are truly fortunate to witness these genius explain this dire situation of imminent warfare to us
@ihateyou80062 жыл бұрын
i understand why destiny lost interest in these kind of panels. he seems to be more energetic and snappy, when theirs less people. people take forever to respond to one point, then ramble on about other stuff when theyre making that point lol.
@nocuh2 жыл бұрын
These shows aren’t conducive to productive, serious discussion with meaningful engagement. Everyone is eager beaver to get in their points when talking at the others, and people stop listening soon as they find a word used in a disagreeable way, latching on, and launching into the next vacuous attempt at superficially engaging. They do, however provide great entertainment potential when you’ve got one or more wildcards in the mix
@johnh54242 жыл бұрын
Adam Something basically nailed it straight away. The debate could have ended there
@m0nk3yscr4tch2 жыл бұрын
Truly.. With others I felt dumb about myself, that I even listen to it and I'm excluding the conspiracy troll, who was kind of funny.
@sethturnbull5542 жыл бұрын
Top left guy BASED
@evolution__snow67842 жыл бұрын
Based Hungarian
@ANunes062 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I've ever heard a bad or uninformed take come out of Adam Something's mouth.
@yo59472 жыл бұрын
@@ANunes06 he says a lof of internet left things, I like most of his stuff, but he is often far too left in my opinion
@notsorry36312 жыл бұрын
Whoever invited Alex Stein knew he was a troll and wanted to troll the whole panel lol I think it was Dylan, he was laughing
@galvanaut71192 жыл бұрын
Pure comedy.
@americanrhino23862 жыл бұрын
Dudes a meme in a suit
@danabo2 жыл бұрын
👀
@lethewaterkai75032 жыл бұрын
The dude was a full motion filibuster
@alaskanbullworm55002 жыл бұрын
I like Dylan but sometimes he takes way too much liberties with the people he invites to his panels for the sake of entertainment.
@Vatt-Ghern2 жыл бұрын
You really only need to listen to Adam Something. (Top left) It's so obvious that he's the most educated on the topic. That being conflicts in Europe. It does of course help, that he not only is European, he's *Eastern* European. Top Right is literally just trolling, not sure why he was brought on. Pixel had nothing to add either.
@zbigniewp18102 жыл бұрын
He's still a post-Kadarist leftover piece of shit though, so it's better to be careful with accepting his views on EE matters.
@zbigniewp18102 жыл бұрын
@@charleynewman5057 a commie. Google Janos Kadar.
@YouYubeEnjoyerNum12 жыл бұрын
he's not though, he support Zelenskiy as a better president rather than Poroshenko, in spite of the fact that even before the Russian troop build up there has been more corruption that ever before in Ukraine, zero reforms and actual more Russian funded politicians, media and governance. It really personally reminds me of Yanukovich times. So, at least Poroshenko was pro-Ukrainian and moved the country forward in time of war and stood against negotiating with terrorists, as opposed to the clown that Adam Something supports. Bearded guy seemed more well-informed on the subject matter (Ukraine).
@gamerfront60902 жыл бұрын
@@YouYubeEnjoyerNum1 you're trolling right? I voted for Poroshenko myself, but i can't deny the facts. He let Medvedchuk rise, he negotiated with terrorists through him for personal purposes. He still was pro-Ukrainian, that's good, but not a saint. Zelensky turned out to be not that bad as i thought. He fucked up more, than the previous one, but still not enough to label him as a russian puppet. We suffer from immense corruption, and both presidents participated in it, so i guess if we pretend that this is not an issue, and judge by everything else - they did somewhat the same, okayish job. No red lines crossed so far. For me it's a win.
@YouYubeEnjoyerNum12 жыл бұрын
@@gamerfront6090 I was talking about the fact that Poroshenko was the lesser of two evils, and that was evident even back in 2019. Poroshenko committed to reforms, anti-corruption structures (efficacy of which is can be debated) and overall integrity of Ukraine, whilst Zelensky downplays it and tries to negotiate with terrorist. There have been zero positive changes since he was elected. the freedom has only been suppressed more and political opponents have been silenced (the politically motivated criminal cases against Poroshenko, for example, which he has spoken PUBLICLY ABOUT, AS A PRESIDENT), and when Poroshenko was in power all Ukrainians saw positive changes at least in some areas (no visa requirements for EU travel, for instance). Zelensky still hasn't introduced Russian collaborators law ffs. Zelensky is undoubtedly worse and defo not pro-Ukrainian.
@dondovahkiin78992 жыл бұрын
"Eastern Europe is a joke , they elected a COMIDIAN" Says the guy from TrumpLand.
@cosettapessa64172 жыл бұрын
Ahahah for real
@neurotic_nerd38082 жыл бұрын
Don't forget grandpa dementia da walking sexual harassment....
@MrMango3312 жыл бұрын
Fr tho people praise democracy but when a comedian makes it in to power, they're ridiculed
@jakubbasaj2 жыл бұрын
And who considers Eastern Europe as a country XD
@biggiec82242 жыл бұрын
At least Zelensky actually tries...
@ROUNDtheWORLDis2 жыл бұрын
That Adam guy seemed to be the only one who had a strong informed view
@nor_me2 жыл бұрын
A somebody who has followed the Ukrainian crisis since the Maidan on 2014, taftja's takes on this situation are truly infuriating and dangerously misinformed. Unfortunately Dylan's armchair debate disclaimer at the beginning was not sufficient to prepare me for her takes.
@thenayancat88022 жыл бұрын
Yes, very disappointed she didn't get more pushback. Absolutely inane
@SuperpowerBroadcasting2 жыл бұрын
Long live the Euro Maidan! Glory to Ukraine!
@williamthebonquerer91812 жыл бұрын
The worst thing about the Iraq war was isolationism
@lyrics2g02 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don't get the appeal. She's way to unimpressive to be that full of herself. Her takes range from garbage to nothing added but I see a bunch of people stanning her like she's dropping gems. Meh, to each there own I guess
@SuperpowerBroadcasting2 жыл бұрын
@@williamthebonquerer9181 Isolationists opposed the Iraq War though
@wisetrollman2 жыл бұрын
The conspiracy guy has to be an AI created to regurgitate political youtube buzzwords.
@Rysdan2 жыл бұрын
Okay so to sum up: Top left is actually informed Top middle is a Dunning-Kruger example Top right is an epic troll Destiny is generally fine but its clearly not his topic Middle right probably lacks the knowledge but is trying to tackle the topic so props Bottom left is definition of 'I didn't study but I'm going to wing my presentation anyway' Bottom middle actually knows what he's talking about and has a plan Bottom right no idea what her stance even is beyond 'do stuff to avoid war'
@dragonforce51692 жыл бұрын
Bottom right = fanatic pacifist meme insert
@conspiracybullshit34002 жыл бұрын
Lol this entire debate was comedy gold. I swear that Conspiracy Castle guy had to be trolling. He stole the show.
@thekycklingwizard782 жыл бұрын
Actual schizoposting
@unreasonableJameson2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ac1ojLuIq7DOn4k.html the guy is amazing
@arthurgoonie45962 жыл бұрын
@@thekycklingwizard78 yea and no. operation northwoods isn't some made up thing.
@seanjenkins55052 жыл бұрын
If we don't have hake here to say stupid insane shit we need a backup
@dprob19852 жыл бұрын
Hes a great troll. He's friends w Cassady cambell
@Thematic21772 жыл бұрын
Probably half of these people couldn't point to Ukraine on a map just a few weeks ago, and take their knowledge purely from Wikipedia summaries and op-eds that they skimmed over in one afternoon.
@deltazy77382 жыл бұрын
Exactly no one has cared for the last 7 years of Russian proxy war but now because it’s in the news everyone thinks their an expert.
@MrMango3312 жыл бұрын
@@deltazy7738 just like everything else that pops up
@skcrw2522 жыл бұрын
I doubt they even did that lmao seems like too much work
@TheCookix2 жыл бұрын
You'd have a very high opinion of them of you think they actually read 1 Wikipedia article. All of their opinion are just half-baked regurgitated points from reddit...
@SubtleHawk2 жыл бұрын
Hey don't diss Wikipedia, it's a great website for research actually.
@Lightningkuriboh2 жыл бұрын
When the dude tried saying Russia was in NATO I bursted laughing
@platosghost69162 жыл бұрын
That Conspiracy Castle bot has some really convincing Markov chains... I almost thought it was a real person there for a little bit. Technology is amazing these days.
@SlurMaster90002 жыл бұрын
He's actually a deepfake trained on a mix of Ethan Ralph and Nick Fuentes footage.
@johnfarley70742 жыл бұрын
@@SlurMaster9000 don’t forget alex Jones screeds
@Emperor_Beardo2 жыл бұрын
Gotta love shit shows like this, got a guy who thinks 9/11 was an inside job, someone who debates morals while being inconsistent, a literal 19 year old who thinks Crimea is a country and that there are no occupied areas of Ukraine. What a show.
@sherryanne2287 Жыл бұрын
It's hilarious hearing "the Russian army would steamroll Ukraine, right?" with June 2023 hindsight lulw
@kais.16843 күн бұрын
Even funnier now, as Ukraine controls Kursk.
@SuperpowerBroadcasting2 жыл бұрын
Alex Stein unironically thought Russia was a member of NATO! Lmao.
@johnfarley70742 жыл бұрын
I often disagree with you, but I completely agree that we need to be 100% behind Ukraine to prevent Russian encroachment. Big ups!
@SuperpowerBroadcasting2 жыл бұрын
@@johnfarley7074 Thanks, Joe! You’re welcome to debate me on anything you disagree with me on
@michaelehlert92 жыл бұрын
The WW2 history knowledge here is incredibly weak. I'd avoid using that as an example when no one knows anything other than a Wikipedia page gloss over.
@jamesjohnson91802 жыл бұрын
welcome to the weird and wonderful world of twitch debate panels
@Songson2 жыл бұрын
WTF!? Go to bed August. Seriously man, you do an amazing job with the channel, get some rest my dude, you deserve it.
@ihateyou80062 жыл бұрын
august doesn't have a bed inside destiny's walls. thats impossible.
@MildChunkySalsa2 жыл бұрын
he’s Australian dude, different time zones
@rll12362 жыл бұрын
wtf is this comment
@eben72482 жыл бұрын
@@MildChunkySalsa i think he's referring to the fact that the last 3 or 4 vids have been uploaded in the last 2 or 3 days compared to usual daily schedule
@MildChunkySalsa2 жыл бұрын
@@eben7248 probably scheduled uploads coupled with editing being more straightforward maybe. Idk maybe I could ask August in d.gg
@chickenfeed62722 жыл бұрын
45:00 Destiny has very weak foreign policy takes. The consensus among historians in the field is that Germany lost WWII by the winter of 1941. Blitzkrieg does not work with long supply-lines. Pop history claims that the USSR only won because of human wave tactics and America, but you can't rely on what you learned 20 years ago in school or on the History Channel. The Soviet Union would have won no matter what by the time Hitler declared war on the US. I appreciate that Destiny admits he isn't good at history, but maybe he shouldn't have such opinionated foreign policy takes.
@Nikifuj9082 жыл бұрын
General George Marshall calculated that, without the Eastern Front, the U.S. would have had to double the soldiers it sent to the Western Front. Big, to be sure, but doable. We provided 1/3, the Soviets provided 2/3. That's not unreasonable.
@Nikifuj9082 жыл бұрын
(I'm leaving out Britain. Sorry.)
@chickenfeed62722 жыл бұрын
@@Nikifuj908 Sure, although I don't think D-Day was ever possible without the Eastern Front.
@hemmydall2 жыл бұрын
@@chickenfeed6272 it completely was, because Hitler didn't place the bulk of his defense there believing the attack to happen against a different nearby beach head. Even after the landings started, he waited an entire day before moving the defense, believing the "real" attack was still incoming. Blitzkrieg worked incredibly well, but it wasn't designed for city siege, and they ran into serious issues when the major Russian cities didn't capitulate. I would disagree the Soviet Union would have won "no matter what" but given the hindsight we have, agree they would have won eventually with the tactics used. They simply out produced Germany, had more total resources, and did all their fighting on home soil. As long as their main cities held (and they did) they were going to win.
@chickenfeed62722 жыл бұрын
@@hemmydall "because Hitler didn't place the bulk of his defense there believing the attack to happen against a different nearby beach head. Even after the landings started, he waited an entire day before moving the defense, believing the "real" attack was still incoming." Okay? This happened in our timeline. Do you think the millions of young soldiers that were flung into Eastern Front would just disappear into thin air if Barbarossa never happened? No, obviously Hitler would have more troops, tanks, and aircraft in France to counter a potential invasion. Even if Hitler moved the bulk of his troops to the wrong beach in this counterfactual there would still be a significantly larger force of troops at every possible invasion point. Likely, the Allies wouldn't even bother trying.
@jjquinn2952 жыл бұрын
Anyone else find it odd that everyone talked about obligations in their intro but noone brought up the Budapest Memoriam? Where the US France and UK garuteed ukrainian territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine giving up the 3rd largest nuclear stockpile.
@wasserman72732 жыл бұрын
they forgot about it in 2014, why would they bring it up now. this one point actually replies what moral obligation US have to intervene. these panels are painful to watch from Ukraine.
@jjquinn2952 жыл бұрын
@Wasserman That was a terrible move on the west at that time as well. I honestly think we wouldn't be talking much about Russian troops on the border now if either Obama then or Biden now would have said they would enforce them and sent a few divisions to Poland and Romaina to show it was a serious thing. The US has been very bad at deference in the last 20 years or so.
@SubtleHawk2 жыл бұрын
Budapest Memorandum, but yes.
@ayymao10172 жыл бұрын
Read the Budapest Memorandum and understand what it is, and you will understand why no one talks about it (hint: it's a worthless piece of paper acknowledging Soviet nukes controlled from Moscow being moved over to Russian Federation from Ukraine Republic and Kazakhstan Republic in order to prevent any nuclear disasters).
@reportmelolz2 жыл бұрын
38:22 dude literally starts bouncing while yelling and no one can hear him. Amazing meme potential 10/10
@SuperpowerBroadcasting2 жыл бұрын
Boomer energy
@EenMagnetron2 жыл бұрын
It was fake and cringe as fuck.
@DeansDiscourse2 жыл бұрын
Taftaj making the assumption that the war in the east would have resulted in a Soviet victory without western interference essentially would require the Soviets actually would have won that conflict without western military involvement and aid. It seems unlikely to be true given the massive amounts of manpower resources spent in North Africa that otherwise would have been able to be used against the Soviets. Another massive drain of resources was the Italian campaign which drained around 1.5 million axis soldiers that otherwise could have been used against the Soviet Union. There’s also the fact that the Soviet war industry could not have existed as it did in our timeline without lend-lease leading to less Soviet industry being capable of producing the weapons needed for Soviet military operations. Allied bombing of German industry and blockade of resources was also another critical factor that strangled German industry and resource production to ensure that they could not replace the materials they lost on the eastern front. The victory against the Nazis cannot be attributed to “the soviets,” or “the Americans,” or any one party. It was a multifaceted conflict where the contributions of the different nations are so interconnected in the final victory that to give anyone party even majority credit is at best a stretch.
@UnclePhilly2252 жыл бұрын
Actually it appears she has done her research, i can tell she wanted to get into it but its kind of hard to on this "debate" panel format. So it appears she "lost" when in fact, she is the most correct one there. 1. Soviet victory in the east was greatly aided by the Allied powers having other fronts, and lend lease, but there is no hard evidence saying it won the war. There are well stated documents showing how much supplies (food/war material etc) was being used by the USSR that was foreign and it is miniscule, helpfull but not as important as you stated. 2. The Italian campaign only diverted about 200,000 men that were going to be used on the Eastern Front. The rest would have been as reserve and not have gone. They in truth could not send more to the Eastern front, the German logistics were so terrible they could not have even used them effectively. This is also well documented and this is before heavy allied bombing campaigns. They just did not possess the ability to arm and maintain more Axis soilders. (They had virtually nothing to even arm the Romanian and Italian allies to German standards that were already there) 3. The Germans were able to produce and replace a massive amount of material that was lost so much so they were producing MORE at the end of the war then they ever had actually with Allied bombing campaigns, sounds crazy i know but very true. It came down to what they lost, they lost there best soilders, most experienced veterans the best of the best were destroyed between 42-mid44, before we even landed in France. (Moscow, Stalingrad, Operation Saturn, Kurks, Bagration) All took place before we really made our contribution. Those were the defining years, the War was absolutely won by then. So the fact that the Germans were not able to defeat Russia in 41-42 actually was the reason why they lost, and those reasons as virtually all data can back up was that the USSR, virtually alone outright stopped the Germans and the push to Berlin ensued. It's hard to argue against our narrative here in the USA because its so ingrained in our minds, but in truth not only did the USSR contribute the VAST majority of the effort to defeat Germany, it appears they really did do it on there own. (Although our contribution absolutely saved hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives) that part is really the only part we can debate
@phanomtaxskibididoodoo2 жыл бұрын
@@MichealWalls geh
@thenayancat88022 жыл бұрын
@@UnclePhilly225 If she did her research she'd know that saying "what if the US didn't join the war" is about as insightful a question as "what if Hitler didn't invade Russia" given that a) Axis alliance existed b) FDR was already desperate to join the war c) Hitler was insane and likely would've declared war on the US on a whim eventually anyway.* Even if you grant the idea that things would go swell and the Soviets push back to Berlin no worries without any support and don't just sue for peace at some point, at that point you've granted all of Western Europe to the Soviets. Now it's incredibly hard for the US to justify involvement in Europe, since they didn't bother at all during occupation. So this idea that now you're fighting against a weaker USSR. Right, so 40M casualties rather than 25M is going to be all the difference? Are the additional casualties justifiable for some hypothetical geopolitical advantage? These WW2 counterfactuals are inane at the best of times, but to use one in the context of a contemporary discussion is just embarrassing. *in fact Hitler did declare war on the US for no reason!
@yoomisplace72672 жыл бұрын
Destiny DREAMS of the day he can put a LIVE panel on 4x Speed LOL
@rishi.mukherjee2 жыл бұрын
This is the problem with conspiracy theorists. They can only make sense of ideas out of context, cuz they know when you bring in context, their conspiracies suddenly fall apart.
@ArtysCorpFiction10 ай бұрын
This was my first exposure to Destiny. Been down the rabbit hole ever since
@calculator912 жыл бұрын
Sheltered overpaid streamers who leave their house once a week are the exact people we need discussing geopolitical issues.
@clamm97922 жыл бұрын
Discussion should always happen regardless of who's doing it.
@noco72432 жыл бұрын
It's always fun when Kevin actually talks.
@SHVRWK2 жыл бұрын
Yeah his voice, the way he talks, He's always composed and well educated on the subjects he discusses. I like him.
@LewdConnoisseur2 жыл бұрын
He's super pro american interventionism tho.
@SHVRWK2 жыл бұрын
@@LewdConnoisseur American interventionism is based.
@bennywolfe43572 жыл бұрын
Smooth destiny. Egging the crazy guy on by saying the smart guy said something he didn’t. Someone sure loves the chaos.
@RedAnimal1002 жыл бұрын
The conspiracy guys argument in the beginning that Ukraine doesn’t take politics serious because their official was an actor and all that. When we had Ronald Reagan And Donald Trump as our president makes his argument so invalid
@nightshade719862 жыл бұрын
Dude was talking out both side of his mouth the whole time, that and misunderstanding others statements to strawman them.
@magicmonkey412 жыл бұрын
it’s amazing how quickly i knew to disregard everything the guy in the suit said once he started talking
@MemekingSupreme2 жыл бұрын
What a turnaround on the content. Man's working overtime on his overtime
@owlonline6042 жыл бұрын
I’ve never been so early to a video. I’m glad my sleep schedule is fucked
@MaryGraceRu2 жыл бұрын
Whatever the relationship between western countries and Russia is now and has ever been, it is absolutely imperative to understand and remember that the WW2 was won by alliance. Not just one country.
@MaryGraceRu2 жыл бұрын
Pixel actually has some very based takes when it comes to geopolitics.
@twistedfox94452 жыл бұрын
@@MaryGraceRu wasn't pixel the one who said an nft joke and then "gave context" and then nothing else? I don't think she even gave an opinion
@cameronpatterson1302 жыл бұрын
It was won by the USSR
@cameronpatterson1302 жыл бұрын
@@saulmendez2276 big if true
@FloofyMinari2 жыл бұрын
@@cameronpatterson130 The USSR faces only one front and struggled to defend its territory. The USSR would have never reached Berlin without the Allies.
@borna12312 жыл бұрын
It´s a shame that the situation in the Baltic has not been brought up by anyone on the panel as I think it´s one more argument in favour of the idea that Russia might not "stop" at taking just parts of Ukraine.
@jamesjohnson91802 жыл бұрын
people are delusional if they think that Russia would simply hand over Sevastopol when it's their main naval base giving them access to the seas south of the country instead of going north only. Personally I'd be in favour of handing over Sevastopol to Russia including a border re-evaluation to secure peace as I doubt they want the country, just the military base to ensure they have the same theatre access long term.
@ayymao10172 жыл бұрын
What situation in Baltics? Baltics are part of NATO and EU, the fuck do you want from Russia other than bitching at it constantly?
@BlueDirt_ProAggressive2 жыл бұрын
Smaller panel would be better. I do like the multinational povs. EU, US, Aussie is very interesting.
@tommylehomme86952 жыл бұрын
Why no Russians and Ukrainians on the panel? They could have found somebody on Reddit with a webcam and an opinion...
@adamgrogory2 жыл бұрын
I think Taftaj's "wait and see"-argument and comparison to WWII is really weird. Letting Russia & Germany fight for longer so that that Soviet Union would have been weaker during the Cold War? Yeah, letting the Holocaust continue until complete, leaving Europe even more of a bombed out wasteland than it already was post-war, leaving the few un-invaded countries to be invaded, giving Germany enough time to devlope nukes before soing anything? How is this likely alternate history a ponit for her argument?
@yanowic91072 жыл бұрын
She's either delusional and narcissistic or was put on the spot and told to talk against Ukraine. Her arguments are absolute dogshit.
@the-renegade2 жыл бұрын
I saw this live, but I want to watch the video at 2X speed.
@drg86872 жыл бұрын
Also, Russia had already pressed out of Russia and into German-controlled territories long before America landed troops on D-day. America did not save Europe, Russia did.
@Reign1232 жыл бұрын
Destiny's knowledge about WW2 was really disappointing. I had to question everything he said because of his flawed understanding of geopolitical history of (Eastern-)European region.
@pogodanderfluff93902 жыл бұрын
The guy in the pink tie is fkn hilarious 😂
@silasg36502 жыл бұрын
So, about why the US joined the war in Europe. It was mostly at the behest of the UK which had been brutally struggling for years at this point. Stalin said he needed help mostly because he wanted the US and UK to weaken themselves while diverting Germans from the east so the USSR could keep more resources for after the war. This was because Stalin was an absolutely paranoid psycho and was convinced the UK and US would try to destroy him after the war. When the Normandy landings happened, the USSR was already pushing the Germans back and had a lot of momentum with an industry that began to truly dwarf the Germans. At this point the UK and US were more concerned with stopping Russia from pushing too far. It was a race to Berlin. This kind of geopolitical doctrine also influenced the use of nuclear bombs against Japan. It demonstrated their power and the potential of the US to produce multiple such bombs. It also was supposed to help end the war faster to avoid Russia engulfing the CCP and becoming such a behemoth of manpower and industry that even with nukes it would be doubtful they could be resisted. The current situation is really very different from when the US joined ww2. It's more similar to when Germany invaded Poland.
@itsStawny2 жыл бұрын
Is the middle right guy the dude from the jubille teen liberals vs conservative parents video?
@colinjohnson64542 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't NATO (Mainly US and UK) and the Russian Federation in the 1994 nuclear proliferation treaty agree to a promise to maintain Ukrainian security and territorial integrity in return for Ukraine giving up their nuclear arsenal? If we close our eyes and turn away from Ukraine after making these promises, then it's going to be a rush for different countries to build and maintain nuclear arsenals since this sets precedent for the US not backing their promises.
@wasserman72732 жыл бұрын
war started in 2014. US, UK and France ALREADY turned away back then and didn't do anything.
@poikelos62912 жыл бұрын
"Let's make Ukraine an NFT" omg that was gold.
@TR13400 Жыл бұрын
The only logical solution made in this whole debate
@wojakc77452 жыл бұрын
To say any one nation defeated Germany is just stupid. The based take is that the Soviets were the most vital and sacrificed the most in defeating Germany. Russia already turned around the Eastern Front before any lend lease. All the Allies were important in the war effort and played their own roles in the effort. Russia was simply the biggest player. However this panel saying USA was vital to defeating Germany is pretty extreme.
@ackermanlol2 жыл бұрын
*USSR, not Russia.
@PUSB_962 жыл бұрын
Ussr and UK were big players to beat Germany
@andrewdemchyshyn65992 жыл бұрын
Imagine being Ukrainian coming here to listen, yea it’s me,imagine being me:)
@SuperpowerBroadcasting2 жыл бұрын
Ukraine is based
@jumpvelocity39532 жыл бұрын
This guy is actually delusional.
@spiritx132 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure which panelist your comment is towards, but I completely agree.
@TR13400 Жыл бұрын
True
@omarabbas52952 жыл бұрын
I love it when westeners talk about politics they know nothing about
@nydsa92602 жыл бұрын
Does top left (Adam Something) have a twitch account?
@baj57632 жыл бұрын
suggestion to the editor: either get rid of the weird zoom in on the left side, making the gameplay unwatchable, or get rid of gameplay altogether, just using the video of the debaters.
@Trecesolotienesdos2 жыл бұрын
sanctions are moral. If a nation-state is acting poorly, then they should face some kind of penalty. Isn't it moral to stop those who are aggressors?
@cameronpatterson1302 жыл бұрын
Sanctions are an act of war and rather than de-escalate things, typically escalate them and cause regular working people to suffer.
@adamastor98692 жыл бұрын
@@cameronpatterson130 "Sanctions are an act of war " Objectively false. "cause regular working people to suffer" Good thing we can have an actual war as an alternative, nobody suffers with that. Oh wait a number of ukrainians has already died because of russian support of separatist groups, with others suffering due to the economic consequences. Oops!
@yorhahoudini45312 жыл бұрын
@@cameronpatterson130 So then I suppose we should just sit on our hands as Russia has murders it’s way through Eastern Europe
@DrownedLamp2 жыл бұрын
"You cant wait while enemies are nearby" -Nato's signup policy
@dimitrijensk28452 жыл бұрын
17:22 this statement did not age well at ALL.
@TheGokuend2 жыл бұрын
Didn't taftaj describe what happened in real world, Germany broke in Russia, lost the war over oil in Africa. Their complete defeat was inevitable and Russia was growing stronger and stronger to the point that allies were afraid to pick a fight with them after the Berlin fell. If USA didn't intervene as soon as they did Europe would swap their German overlords for Russian overlords
@SuperPutte12 жыл бұрын
In general, Germany was already on it's way to losing the war when USA entered, but USA helped in shortening the duration.
@masonrussell5792 жыл бұрын
"The most important things in this war are the machines...The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war" - Stalin "If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war...One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war" - Nikita Khrushchev
@SuperPutte12 жыл бұрын
@@masonrussell579 im talking specificlly about the USA entering the war with their military, not lend lease och there manufacturing.
@SuperPutte12 жыл бұрын
@@aidan883 i understand, however, there is a general consensus in the academic and military academic field that, while Americas military involvement did help shorten the war, they were not key in winning it. Ofcourse, there is no way to know for sure.
@jmdoe58222 жыл бұрын
I thought a Conservatarian was someone who lives solely on a diet on Conservatives. Feel free to groan and roll your eyes.
@dfmrcv8622 жыл бұрын
Panel: So... should we help Ukraine? Destiny: Hitting rock on a rusted washing machine.
@william76962 жыл бұрын
51:30 and "they are in the UN to be fair"
@SuperpowerBroadcasting2 жыл бұрын
I almost died of laughter
@schmittywerbenjagermanjens26492 жыл бұрын
Everyone else: We should obviously help our ally’s, it just depends on what capacity Conspiracy guy: SLEEPY JOE! MEXICO BORDER! *T E L E V I S I O N*
@torgon27112 жыл бұрын
Help with what lol? Envading Russia?
@Duckman16162 жыл бұрын
It's cringe listening to Americans overstate their involvement in WWII. Germany was heavily over extended and on the verge of losing the war well before the US invaded.
@williamthebonquerer91812 жыл бұрын
The Americans funded the USSR and the uk before they even joined
@Duckman16162 жыл бұрын
@@aidan883 Canada was an ocean away and gave plenty of support and troops, during the entire war. I'm not saying the US didn't have an impact but when they act like they're the sole reason Japan conceded or that Germany fell because of them, it's incredibly grating.
@yorhahoudini45312 жыл бұрын
Germany was absolutely not going to fall before the U.S invaded. There’s a big difference between a slow death and immediate conquering, neither the Soviets nor the U.S could’ve gotten the end date that they did for WW2 without one another. If we went with Taftaj’s absolutely immoral solution, the war would have lasted much longer, because although lend-lease was good, Germany’s projected end only came with Allied involvement+Soviet involvement. And guess what a longer WW2 means?
@Duckman16162 жыл бұрын
@@yorhahoudini4531 Death is death. Just because it might have taken longer doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened. I'm not saying the US had no impact, it's just not the huge impact Americans seem to think it was.
@PUSB_962 жыл бұрын
@@yorhahoudini4531 the US wasn't that big of a player UK and ussr were the main players in defeating Germany
@dinoperative34682 жыл бұрын
Who tought bringing tinfoil hat Saul Goodman on was a good idea
@arthurgoonie45962 жыл бұрын
Operation northwoods isn't a conspiracy theory
@PuddingXXL2 жыл бұрын
Nice disclaimer by dylan at the start. People are quick to forget that fact.
@KL-un8sf2 жыл бұрын
The guy with the beard and the Hungarian dude were the only ones who were worth listening to even though no one really was tbh and I quit 40mins in. To be fair they did have a disclaimer but still ouch lol
@SuperpowerBroadcasting2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@jimmyd13372 жыл бұрын
Germany could not of invaded the British mainland. One, because they lost the Battle of Britain. Two, because of the Royal Navy.
@evaahh95842 жыл бұрын
If nazi Germany had had time to stabilise itself they probably could’ve. They had such a huge portion of Europe by that point
@jimmyd13372 жыл бұрын
@@evaahh9584 It doesnt really matter how much of europe it had when there is a sea in the way filled with the strongest navy in the world with little to no air cover.
@evaahh95842 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyd1337 yes, but land = resources and resources (with enough time) = more ships. They could maybe get Spain and Italy on side and now it’s Europe vs Britain. Britain would lose.
@jimmyd13372 жыл бұрын
@@evaahh9584 No, because they also failed in Russia. They could not fight a war without the resources holding russia would of brought. Did you not know Italy was one of the Axis powers? Italy was onside at he beginning of the war already and was a dismall failure. They surrended and Germany took there ships anyway. Only the right land actually means resources. Which is one of the reasons why the Germans main ambitions was East
@avishaiedenburg11022 жыл бұрын
What Taftaj said about allowing the Nazis and Soviets to tire themselves out in protracted fighting is chilling for me, as the grandchild of Holocaust survivors. Had that happened, I think Germany would have pretty much completed their final solution. I know for a fact my grandparents' community, the Jews of Hungary, would have been completely wiped out.
@avishaiedenburg11022 жыл бұрын
@@bigzclipz5104 Zelensky's Jewish
@Massivecarcrash2 жыл бұрын
This dude sounds like GTA radio debate show host.
@clickbaitcan54012 жыл бұрын
"We're not based in reality" - Alex Stein
@zeanith53132 жыл бұрын
Wowowo you putting out of context so hard
@clickbaitcan54012 жыл бұрын
@@zeanith5313 ok
@dowlernatasha13962 жыл бұрын
I just realized that these panels dont even contribute to the actual cause.
@zenleeparadise2 жыл бұрын
I just realized that there are people watching this for reasons other then entertainment lol. It’s honestly shocking to me that anyone was under the impression that this is meant to be productive? It’s hosted by a man who has literally framed debates like this like WWE matches.
@isafarooq17212 жыл бұрын
They rationalize support child porn like every other month, how did it take you this long to figure that out?
@jcdenton6162 жыл бұрын
Just discovered this channel and this discussion is super interesting for someone learning more about politics, history and current political ongoings.
@professorrubickmagusgrandi79092 жыл бұрын
Just wait until you delve into the methstiny or vaushtiny lore
@jameslopez96612 жыл бұрын
Same but ended up staying for blood sports
@Nightknight19922 жыл бұрын
''perhaps if ukraine was in nato, that would be a different story'' - actually killed me :D
@Reverendshot7772 жыл бұрын
Why are people so uninformed yet want to chat about it? There isn't a bunch of Irish fishing boats out protesting the wargames. It's actually much more significant than that. Irish fishermen advised they would peacefully protest the wargames by fishing in the area, they then secured a meeting with the Russian Ambassador and secured agreement from him (pending Moscow approval) that they would enforce a 70-80km exclusion zone around Ireland's fishing waters. Edit: And they just secured approval from Moscow. That is huge!
@SaladTosser9k2 жыл бұрын
I think it's really funny how people tend to forget that Russia and the US kinda do share a border. They're separated by an 80km strait, that's it. When one of your neighbours starts pushing their land off to the other side, you still get nervous watching it, because you know it's only a matter of time until it's your turn.
@yori52602 жыл бұрын
I recommend y’all play Dylan’s KZfaq video in another tab, cause he appreciates the views for putting up with this shit 🦀🦀🦀
@DzondzulaKarakondzula2 жыл бұрын
Defending the "rules based world", imagine being American and saying that with a straight face, how many bombings and invasions did you conduct without security council sanctions or without respecting international law? How is what Putin is doing in Donbas different from what you did in Kosovo?
@szirsp2 жыл бұрын
48:39 "My point is" why not let people kill each other, let our allies be killed ... (and then we can rule over them... smile) I hope you never get to wield any sort of power, make decisions that effect other people, because this sounds like what a horrible person would suggest. Hopefully she does't apply this kind of thinking in her personal life, because who needs enemies when you have friends like this?
@christoffel8402 жыл бұрын
How does no one in this conversation know the difference between Russia invading NATO countries and non-NATO countries? Or places like Crimea where it was not an invasion but a referendum to join Russia? literally no one knows anything about the situation. what a stupid conversation
@torgon27112 жыл бұрын
Yep buddy, the americans xd
@ayymao10172 жыл бұрын
Because these are the same people who wanted to invaded Iraq for 9/11 (???) and Weapons of Mass Destruction which were proven to be a lie and now post rationalize it as proactive foreign policy while even that doesn't make sense as it didn't achieve any of their fictional foreign policy goals (where is USA now in ME? Worse off than it was with Saddam under their paycheck), and then wanted to invade Syria for Assad Gassing his people which was proven a lie too. It's superficial moral grandstanding used on the public as casus belli for the public while the actual geopoltiical reasons are strategic security and economic motivations that are boring, intricate, and at times seem callous/insidious/counter productive due to the complexity of it all - your country planning all this crap while taking into account all the other countries planning their own crap, it's not something that can be condensed to a few moral feel good talking points.
@fruehlingsobst81232 жыл бұрын
username checks out
@Jason-un9ps20 күн бұрын
46:30 Now imagine a woke military, with mandatory DEI promotions, putting people like THIS in positions of power, making decisions.
@DanceManAlex2 жыл бұрын
Whys his screen always split like that? Is it cropping an ultra-wide monitor?
@Ryattt812 жыл бұрын
Never seen Alex before, but hus opening had me rolling. He will keep this interesting for sure.
@concorde39802 жыл бұрын
Russians get buzzed by the RAF when they operate in British naval space, so they go to the Irish naval space and show off their amazing tech from 1985. Habitual line steppers... If you play with feathers, you get your arse tickled. Cut up their swift card. Duels overrrrrrrr O-O.
@jacobfromallstate49638 ай бұрын
Republicans: Ronald Reagan was the greatest president in history Also Republicans: ZeLeNsKy WaS aN AcToR
@PJF19812 жыл бұрын
The hyper guy in the top right sounds more like a Bob's Burgers character than Sam Seder.
@mvxsdreams2 жыл бұрын
Always funny to see Americans debating international topics. They really live in their own bubble, generally.
@elios22962 жыл бұрын
As an European, i agree. They are so confident (and wrong) when talking about the rest of the world, especially on distant cultures. It's just too funny
@char13632 жыл бұрын
@@elios2296 its why debate panels are a thing to share info you guys really be bad at Americans talking lmaoooo cope more bruhh
@Abumustard63642 жыл бұрын
@@char1363 Americans shouldn't talk at all
@TR13400 Жыл бұрын
@@elios2296Europeans are much more educated (cope)
@IllD.2 жыл бұрын
Man I was actually interested in a real debate on this topic. Why Dylan. I know that schizo was good content but come on.
@manvyduce12122 жыл бұрын
which one ?
@TheStargatefan10002 жыл бұрын
American and British froces in continental western Europe were not decisive for the defeat of Nazi Germany. Stalin begged for the opening of the second front because pushing German forces, even at their reduced combat strength, still required a substantial loss of life and the Soviet Union had already lost a lot of men at that point. The turning point of the European war was the battle of Stalingrad. In that singular battle the Soviet Union defeated about as many German and Axis soldiers as the western forces did on the entirety of continental Europe. This is what I was taught at Austrian schools and what I have learned from Wikipedia and military history channels like Military History Visualized, Drachinifel, Lindybeige etc.
@dinoperative34682 жыл бұрын
You kind of forgot the whole strategic bombing campaign and vital intelligence that the British gave to the Soviets. Also Lendlease, which gave the Soviets high quality logistics so they could focus entirely on arms production. Also preparing an amphibious assault is very time consuming and full of risk. Everyone at D-day expected a far worse outcome. You also glossed over the North Africa campaign and the attempted invasion of Italy. ''The turning point of the European war was the battle of Stalingrad. In that singular battle the Soviet Union defeated about as many German and Axis soldiers as the western forces did on the entirety of continental Europe.'' My take on that is Kursk was the turning point because that was the last time the Whermacht was capable of a large offensive. Although Stalingrad really has an argument. ''This is what I was taught at Austrian schools and what I have learned from Wikipedia and military history channels like Military History Visualized, Drachinifel, Lindybeige etc.'' you got some good taste I give you that
@TheStargatefan10002 жыл бұрын
@@dinoperative3468 I didn't forget shit. Both of those brought the end of the war closer. They didn't make it possible though. Buddy, unless you've got a degree on it I will take what my teachers and the experts say as the actual answer to this question.
@dinoperative34682 жыл бұрын
@@TheStargatefan1000 Why so hostile? Either way strategic bombing definetly did it's part. There is a huge wall of text to discuss the effects but I'll keep it short. 1. It completely axed Speers ''miracle program''. 2. It pretty much tied the entire Luftwaffe up. 3. Germany had to divert tons of resources and men to keep their airspace not filled with bombers. For example we both know that the German 88 was a really good anti tank weapon. They had to use 20.000 of them instead of using them on the Eastern Front. The invasion of Italy basically got Italy out of the war. Which was pretty much Germany's only ally who was kind of helpful. You don't need to be a historian or depressed history teacher to have a valid statement, especially in the most black and white war in human history. On the other side all my claims are backed up by historians. I don't get my info from the ''history'' channel.
@TheStargatefan10002 жыл бұрын
@@dinoperative3468 Buddy, unless you've got a degree on it I will take what my teachers and the experts say as the actual answer to this question.
@dinoperative34682 жыл бұрын
@@TheStargatefan1000 You don't need to be a historian or depressed history teacher to have a valid statement, especially in the most black and white war in human history. On the other side all my claims are backed up by historians. I don't get my info from the ''history'' channel.
@anglozombie24852 жыл бұрын
Nice of them to get Tucker Carlson stunt double in on the debate.
@BlueDirt_ProAggressive2 жыл бұрын
19:00:00 I wonder if guy knows what irony means. Talking about Ukraine voting in a celebrity. Wow The gymnastics lol
@brianfantana65222 жыл бұрын
i like when they state an opinion as a fact then get the slightest pushback and totally retract it immediately. none of these sketches have done any legitimate analysis on anything they spoke about.
@AlbinovSK2 жыл бұрын
Adam had the best understanding of the topic which is no surprise. The American conspiracy guy was pure comedy and no substance and the libertarian 'no intervention' guy sounded so America-centric it was hard to listen. Destiny isn't well read on this topic but at least he stayed a bit humble and Kevin was coincidentally correct.
@whatisthisIcanteven2 жыл бұрын
When Taft started talking about WWII... oh dear...
@bryanhernandez23642 жыл бұрын
I feel like I’m getting dumber every minute that passes…