If Brightline West and Texas Central are successful that really opens the door. We've never had a real HSR line, Acela is semi-HSR, less than half its route operates above 125mph and there's only 56mi where it can actually run at its 150mph top speed.

as a European high speed is so much nicer and relaxing . hope that both are successful and you get to experience this @@mrvwbug4423

If I remember, Princeton Junction in New Jersey, and somewhere near Providence in Rhode Island is where the Acela can run at its top speed on the NEC

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It doesn't cut travel time n emissions. People still need cars. Don't bring the necessity of owning cars to use rails. That's dumb idea. Other HSR friendly countries do not require cars to use rails. HSR is expensive. This private company will eventually sell the rails to government. You need at least 80 million annual ridership. You have to pick n drop people at each location to generate lo5s of ridership. If it's point to point, it's not going to work. Dream on Texas. Texas is an oil Red state. What will it make work.? Stop at major city n town. Pick n drop as many people at each station. Good luck in the empty desert. Oh, check Japan, you don't need cars at each station. Ideally, CAHSR makes more sense because it passes more cities. The problem is rail supporters hate public transportation. Besides SF, public transportation at future CAHSR has below F grade. HSR supporters are hypocrite. They keep mentioning reduce emissions, but they will not do anything to promote local public transportation.

You want it, pay for it yourself.

@@Da__goat why not emulate the model of highways and airports? The state/federal government built the infrastructure, but private companies pay back into it to operate mass transport such as buses and airplanes

It would be too costly and impractical in the short term to have a country wide network but at least regional high speed rail will help a lot

@@ernestz.9260 regional networks can easily extend to country wide networks. of course, no ones saying make a rail line over 300 miles of emptyness out in idaho. but this country is plenty dense for rail, especially the east coast and southwest

@@Da__goat You do the same with your precious highways first.

Actually the people who talk about Japan's bullet train that way are mostly foreigners. The Japanese people are kind of, .......meh about it.

Love HSR...Rode in EU and Japan, and always think we really need them here fast. We care so far behind.

There is private and my taxes shouldn’t pay for this

@@jamescc2010you are lying

@@FOHguy Me when I lie

Meant that more people with free Access Pass can ride free including their service pets or guest.

The train is to help businesses moving to Nevada. Rancho Cucamonga will be a business hub for companies transitioning.

@@tonyburzio4107 Yeah but how many are people from Rancho Cucamonga are gonna be using it

That's in the long term plan. To build it to LA Union up front would've more than doubled the cost of the project, remember this is a mostly privately funded project, Brightline had to go with what they could afford, federal and state grants only fund a small part of the project, Brightline is paying for most of this themselves. There is also an opportunity to install line upgrades and electrification on the San Bernidino line that would improve line speeds and capacity for Metrolink as they will be ferrying Brigthline passengers to LA. Electrification could also allow the Brightline trains to do the RC to LA portion on the existing Metrolink track without the extreme expense of building the HSR line all the way to LA, the RC to LA portion would just be at a max of 125mph depending on line upgrades.

should not build Shut down la and vegas Long Live Free California

Because all the train nuts obsesses over it and keep raising noise over it

Because it costs 50% more than estimates and taxes 40% longer. By the time it completes it becomes irrelevant and corruption runs rampant.

​@@Da__goat you fail to mention the amount of tax payer money wasted on highways that don't even make a single dime. Not to mention how corrupt oil lobbyists have been since the 50s when they bulldozed neighborhoods with their pockets being the only thing that matters to them. If anything, corrupt Republicans are the reason these projects stall and become prolonged. It's a political 'power trip' play to make the other party look incompetent. We need trains, it literally benefits everyone, and with a thorough discussion anyone would come to that conclusion. It alleviates traffic , provides ALTERNATIVES to one singular form of transportation ( which is very restraining and cost consuming), and generates economic growth through transit oriented development and the impact it has on surrounding areas. So tell me, how is a train bad? And labeling everything that benefits the public as communist isn't an argument whatsoever. I say we get the ball rolling on this so it can eventually foster more high speed development around the states. There are countless projects that have been extremely close to fruition and end up being killed by conservative politicians at the last second. All these instances date as far back as the late 70s- early 90s- late 2000s. ( Twin cities, Milwaukee & Wisconsin) It's time we start being selfless and make this place more multi modal for our future generations. Better infrastructure and urbanism is a good thing

The concern of psr usage

because of the waste its just a money grab

That's why we have AIRPORTS....

@@ffjsb Getting on a train takes minutes. Getting to the airport and actually boarding your plane takes hours.

@@ffjsb AIRPORTS only serve the two cities they take off and land, and no place in between. Also you are limited in size, amoung and weight of luggage, have to be there quite a bit before the flight takes off, check-in and security checks all take quite a bit of time, apart from the time it takes to go to the airport first

@@EnjoyFirefighting Why is this an argument? No one is taking high speed rail across the country. Nationwide rail would help people get from anywhere from anywhere.

@@LifeLongLearner222 No it doesn't.

airline industry is too.

So sad for them. Maybe Boeing and the car manufacturers should consider building HSR trains!

@WorldCitizenW: I certainly wouldn't doubt that at all!!!

Silly, trains don't replace cars, they supplement, and provide alternatives.

I don't think so. They won't like it, though, as it may give Americans ideas.

Cahsr is already building. This vegas line is much easier to build though since theres less property they need to acquire and the speeds are lower

Of course it will. They have very little land to acquire, the line will be primarily single tracked, they only have about 1/4 of the length to cover and their speeds will be a bit lower. The con with some of their decisions, is they aren't all that well situated in the LA area. Probably would have been a better idea to run the line into LA Union instead of way out in Rancho Cucamonga. There are already a couple lines that could have been improved on to achieve that. Maybe that might be a future expansion.

@@travisbeagle5691 Running the HSR line all the way to LA would've more than doubled the cost of the project and probably made it non-feasible for Brightline. I do know that is in the long term plans for it. It's much cheaper to build HSR track in the I-15 median in the middle of the desert than it is to build it through the LA mountains and suburbs. Upgrading the existing lines between RC and LA to handle 110-125mph line speeds would likely be a good medium term solution, it would dramatically improve the Metrolink service on what is their busiest corridor and if the line is electrified Brightline could use it to run all the way to LA, just at a lower speed west of RC.

@@mrvwbug4423 The latter part of your comment is more or less what I was getting at. They and Metrolink could have done something similar to what CAHSR and Caltrain are planning and upgrade existing rights of way to extend Brightline to LA Union and upgrade Metrolink while they are at it. Double tracking the existing route and electrification wouldn't be all that much of a significant expense, would dramatically improve the corridor and would likely significantly increase the customer base for the service. Maybe it is in the cards once the service is established and has some of its debt paid off as well as potentially double tracking the route, but right now I can't help not seeing it as a missed opportunity.

Only 50 years in the making and still not a piece of track. Americas greatest concrete bridge to no where 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡💩💩💩💩

Nah this a company not government. They built a train in 5 years in Florida same company

It's mostly funded up with private funds. So they work differently. They made a train in Florida, and they took them a few years to do it

Prviate company building this, Brightline already completed a Project in Florida that took 4 yrs or so to complete.

This will be easy to build since there is nothing in the way, unlike CA HSR which has to dig up and move TONS of pipes, electrical, build lots of overpasses and underpasses, etc.

done in 2138 for 50 trillion....

In principle, I would agree...however, I've taken Brightline numerous times in Florida and the prices are always far more reasonable than expected and the amount invested there was equally huge

@@ustophl - I live 90 miles from Los Angeles, and I prefer Amtrak--which is actually CalTrans--over Metrolink. Amtrak California is $28 coach. Rancho Cucamonga to Las Vegas is 230 miles. So a comparable price for Brightline West would be $72. However, Brightline is talking over $200 for a ticket, one-way. So Brightline West would be about 3 times more expensive than Amtrak, and still only get to the Metrolink station in Rancho Cucamonga. Advance LA-LV air fares are much lower than $200, and in fact, a lot closer to the $72 price. In addition, we can expect the airlines will cut their fares as soon as Brightline opens. Because the environmental impacts of air travel are externalized, competition will be a significant challenge to Brightline West.

Hi, there, the first time ever heard of the bullet train in Japan was in the early 1980's. You might meet people who are older than I am who heard of them before I was born.

I mean, we're getting somewhere...

Better those cars be parked at a train station than driving on the highway

That assumes CONservatives will establish their commie oil empire and ban all non-gas cars

That's the whole point: More cars parked means less cars on the road, hence less emissions.

Yes, park and ride. You only have to drive a few minutes the the station instead of hours to the destination.

Let me burp this: I pay for my own car and the fees. This rail system will be subsidized by the car drivers to make this a reality. The best rail systems for transportation of people are currently subsidized at 12 dollars for every fare dollar collected. This will be no different and likely worse.

not sure ask backdoor Pete B.

He was referencing humans crossing the Cajon Pass, dating all the way back to early prehistoric tribes apparently. Not sure why he did that, but I guess maybe to show how important a travel corridor that’s been, and now Brightline West is the latest mode of travel to use it.

​@@ChrisJones-gx7fc pandering

@@anderander5662he didn’t want to offend the caveman hunting sabertooth

@user-zt6bt8dp2c I get offended everyday...... nobody gives a s***

That sounds a lot better than what it was like back in the old days. In 1995, I took a train from Fullerton, California to Las Vegas. It took more or less 8 hours.

@@MrJuvefrank - Given that current speed through Cajon Canyon is 25 MPH, the new line will be fantastic. In fact, there will probably be a commuter train service between Rancho Cucamonga and Victorville sponsored by Metrolink. Brightline is probably starting work in Las Vegas because their main shop will be outside Las Vegas. However, if they want to get revenue right away, they should be building between Rancho and Victorville.

@@pacificostudios I'm glad to hear it.

Then again is the California High Speed Rail ever actually going to be finished from Los Angeles to San Francisco?

@@garcjr They don't know how to finish it. They hired the first pig who wanted to get rich instead of hiring a company that would save them money.

Hopefully after the initial segment is completed, they'll continue to add more as time progresses. The automobile and airplane NEED supplementing with another, less fuel-intensive, transportation mode.

This is a mostly privately funded project, I suspect it will get done in a reasonable timeframe. Brightline is betting the farm on this and they've been wildly successful in Florida.

I hope it falls through, the 210 freeway was one of the worst things to happen to our communities in the Inland Empire. There are way too many people as it is, the question is, who is going to make money off of this?

@@notsocrates9529 That 210 also nearly obliterated Pasadena; I remember the time BEFORE that monstrous "Hitler strip" blasted its way thru vibrant Pasadena communities, uprooting and displacing hundreds of people some of which were forced to live in a "cardboard ghetto" known as the King's Village apartment complex.... If it were a RAIL LINE instead, a much greater amount of land would've been available for more productive uses!

No

If enough people ride it, then it might.

$400 is a lot of money unless you're Lee Iacocca.

Where did you get that number?

Lee Iacocca?! 😶

@@MrJuvefrank I have no idea of why you dragged Lee Iacocca into this...

@@e.n.strowd1949 Go look up air fares...

no

nope, this 'private' project will get 10s of million$ in public funding before it's abandoned, not the first time this grift has worked

@@tomservo5007 Not exactly. Take a look at Brightline in Florida! It is wildly successful. Also, Brightline is a private company, and therefore does not use tax dollars. If it does, it does not use much

@@tomservo5007stop lying you know that’s not true

@@The_king567 and you don't understand how this company can cough up billions required for this scale of a problem

What's NCR?

New California Republic. A major faction in the Fallout universe. They're a big part of Fallout: New Vegas.

patrolling the mojave makes you wish for nuclear winter

@@mirzaahmed6589 I can think of worse things than California not having to do with some of the other states. Won't happen.

this 'private' project will get 10s of million$ in public funding before it's abandoned, not the first time this grift has worked.

​@@tomservo5007 it wasn't abandoned in Florida

There would be even more land rights and right of way acquisitions that would have to be agreed upon cutting through LA like that. That would extend the project by years and add billions of dollars to the budget. Not to mention the litigation a move like that would spark amongst wealthy land owners in the city who are NIMBYs, disadvantaged communities concerned about gentrification, and everyone in between. This is the problem HSR between LA and SF is currently experiencing.

@@TooLiveChris see its situations like these where governments with a little more "authoritarian power" seem compelling. It's unfortunate that rail projects in the US seem to negatively impact so many communities rather than help them.

Then fk off,why r u writing it here.

don’t go

Ummm ok.

Who asked😂

me too, I don't like conservative, Mormon influenced cities!

a biden voter

It's wrong projection. The train systems only profitable when people commute to work daily. Hopefully no railroad crosses.

Newsome

​@@livinglife5463 Who dumb enough to put crossing at High Speed/Express Rail?

1000 a day will use it.

well that is too bad the Government is not funding this project. Brightline did the same thing down in FL and got it done in 5 years.

@@darrylbrown8253 Nope. This project is 50% government funded. And Brightline's last three projects in Florida were over 90% government funded. Brightline is privately owned but it's definitely publicly funded. Big difference.

@@TohaBgood2 actually you are the one running fast and loose with the facts. You are wrong on two fronts. Yes the CA to LV is partially funded by the govt. You are lying about how much it is. Its more about 30% is being funded by federal and state subsidies. You are also lying about the the Florida. None of that was funded by the governement. So again be sure to check your facts before spewing non sense.

@@darrylbrown8253 Nope. 30% is just the Federal grant that they just received. HOw about all the state money and all the other Federal grants that they have already applied for, been shortlisted, and claim that they can't continue without getting? No, you don't believe Brightline when they say that they need over 50% government "investment" to make this line possible? And again, no. The last three projects that Brightline built in Florida were all stations and were all 90-100% government funded. Why are you trying to lie about this? This is quite literally public information.

No it definitely shouldn’t

No thanks. Being herded like cattle into public transportation ain't my thing. I'd rather travel in the comfort of my own vehicle.

@@CaliSteve169 My $19 300 mile 2.5 hr bullet train ride from France to Germany was comfortable slice of heaven. My 300 mi 6 hr car ride from LA to Vegas was a cramped nightmare! No thanks!

I agree with furtivo

@@Furtivo95 apples to oranges. US and European cities are set up differently. The train makes more sense in Europe than the US. I live in Long Beach. It would take me hours to get to Cucamonga just to get to a train so I can go to Vegas and be stuck without a car there. If you just want to go from Cucamonga to the Vegas strip and not stop anywhere on the way and just stay around your hotel there (like on a business trip) then maybe it works. Again, keep in mind that for most people just getting to Cucamonga would be painful. Southern California is very spread out unlike the European cities. Having said all that, I still prefer the comfort and convenience of my own car when I'm in Europe. I go wherever I want, whenever I want and take as many detours as I want.

@@Furtivo95 not to mention all the stabbings on trains. That's a different conversation.

This has been in the works for many years before Biden

False.

Where did you get these numbers from? You typically 1-2 weeks after track completion to allow services and maybe another month to allow the desired speeds.

This is actually unrelated

They wouldn’t be able to afford the ticket.

You meant tr@fficking😅

​@@ZergcerebratesThe state or locality thatdoing the sending will pay their ticket costs, just like Texas paying for buses to ship illegal aliens to New York State....

You are obviously a car-addicted suburbanite who believes the sensationalist news media's fear-mongering.

Not all people who go to Las Vegas go to gamble. Some people have relatives over there or go there because they're on their way to Utah, Colorado, Nebraska. etc.

China is a communist country. No red tape

of course it's not a surprise - it's a f*&^%$ 2billion ppl country for God's sake :)

Are you union, this is is all union?

@@billthomas2639 man Idc if I’m digging holes a need a better job

Oh sure. Laying RR tracks in the Mohave desert during summer. That will be fulfilling.

@@TheTallMan50 how privileged you must be to consider fulfilling work the most important aspect when looking for a job. But anyway it is still fulfilling being a small part of a huge project like this and saying hey I contributed to this a little even if it was hard work. The hard work actually makes it more fulfilling in my opinion.

No we didn’t

@@The_king567 Yes we did. Not high speed, but there was no high speed back then.

@@AmbushRL. no we never had trains for a good reason we need to get rid of them

@@The_king567 Ever heard of the Transcontinental Railroad?

@@AmbushRL. it’s gone for a reason

Hey, it's still fast even by other countries' HSR standards. It's not the Shinkansen, but it's pretty damn close. About time we had this.

Maybe you are thinking kph? Some of the lines can run that fast at top speeds but most high speed rail lines operate in a similar range of 175 to 200mph simply due to cost efficiency and maintenance

BLW says 200mph on their website.

so negative, why?

@@markalanjacobson I don't trust government municipalities to get things done in America these days. Have you seen the spreadsheet on the bullet train to San Francisco? Have you seen how much money has been spent? Have you seen the bridge to nowhere? That could have gone to housing the homeless. That's why I'm negative.

@@damiennewyorker8105 You getting your car stolen is the governments responsibility? Maybe don't leave your car unattended if you're leaving somewhere far away, you dumbass.

Unsure, but in Mojave side will be between lanes of I-15.

No (except for a couple of bridges), but it will be 100% grade separated

It will mostly run in the I-15 median or next to I-15

IF GOD IS REAL WERE DOOMED sin to sin holly fak

nah

It could be We do have every technology to terraform that

Sounds like someone didn’t do well in the casinos. Sorry about your luck.

A highway overcrowded with giant SUVs driven by Hollywood elites. What could go wrong?

As we know from the Katy freeway, adding lanes always solves the traffic problem.. /s/ Trains are the only real solution.

That's a good thing.

ALSO IT'S FULL OF ANTs in an ant farm baking in tge sun for a sliver of hope of joy to once again Feel like They never were dumb ever

​@sandiegofun1 I see the logic behind your statement, but a little known fact is they were just one more lane from fixing traffic forever! Just one more lane and it would be fixed! We should keep investing in expanding our highways so we can increase commute times instead of investing in far more efficient and fast travel alternatives 😊

@@Scrublord30 Just one more lane, brah!

No, he didn’t

@@procrastinatingpuma WoW, so typical...

ABSOLULTLY NOT. Noooooo Fk that We building Shady

just you know dont Drop that

not very smart are you?

​@jamesdick2604 i think your not very smart moron 😂😅

The billions to Ukraine actually mostly goes to US companies that manufacturer weapons and supplies for Ukraine. But still Ukraine gets a lot more than this train

Yeah. Like a pack of bearings will cost 100k because it's military. That's how they make up 100 billion.

US military writes off old equipment, ships that to Ukraine, gets the budget for new equipment.

You have no clue. Way more people than that travel between the two cities. Pretty much all air travel and a large chunk of car/bus travel can be replaced by rail.

@@mirzaahmed6589 People in SoCal all drive to Vegas, no one flies there from SoCal. That is why I15 is a parking lot.

PLENTY of people fly from SoCal to Vegas, so they don't have to drive. The rest drive. When the ticket prices become reasonable, expect tens of thousands of people to use the train. Much better than both driving and flying

Watch it be less... Like 500... LOL

Having to get to the airport 2hours before the flight, getting a rental car, is costlier than driving both in time and money. Too much hassle is why folks mostly drive from LA to Vegas. That is why round trip tickets from LAX to Vegas is less than $80. With the train its gonna be kinda similar with needing a rental car and there ain't gonna be 10,000 parking spaces at the train station so folks still need a ride to the train station just like to the airport. The round trip train better be no more than $50 or no one is gonna take it.

YEP then the money dried up Someone died and ww2

I think it might have power drawn from the solar plants near Primm, but who knows

The solar farm near Primm and the wind farms along the route will be powering Brightline West.

@@princesidon good to know

fail

Nah, this is a private company, bright line. They build one in florida in like 5 years and was successful. Hence why they are 'expanding' now into cali. This isn't the government that takes 20 years

@@JoseVasquez-vj3lo I wasn’t talking about the company. I was talking about the state of California in general.

@@andrec6012 And you're wrong on both counts. CAHSR broke ground in 2015 in Fresno. There's video on youtube from the groundbreaking. How many years have passed since 2015? Can you count?

By investing into key infrastructure projects?

Lmao there's always some idiot like you on here. So you think we should just keep lagging behind the rest of the world then in your opinion? I'm just glad we are finally working on catching up.

@@procrastinatingpumahave you ridden a train lately?

You just described highways perfectly.

@@procrastinatingpuma Orange County weekenders needing to get to The Aria is "key infrastructure" in your head? lol.........

Because the left in the US is trying to kill of car ownership. Also this train probably won't be done by 2028, just look at the progress of the California HSR.

i lean libertarian, so i take airplane

Blame the MAGAts

There are efficient and fast governments in the world... Just not the American one.

I hate Cara Mendelsohn so much. She's an evil NIMBY who took bribes from oil billionaires to kill all future elevated rail projects.

Well, Newsom still looking into those missing funds as well. Besides the 6 billion on Covid and 24 million on fighting homelessness missing funds. Newsom said he’s taking that very seriously, it must be an accounting error. The easiest way to find all these missing funds is, start looking at politicians offshore accounts like Pelosi’s, Maxine Waters and all other Newsom’s cronies. I’m sure those missing funds were deposited in their offshore accounts by mistake.

WHAT ohh the Sea train or The cal tran Caachung caaachung

For real and drunk

2 hours? Less than that.

It's 2 hours just for the train ride from Cucamonga to Vegas. How long will it take you to get to Cucamonga? Keep in mind that you'll be in Vegas without a car too.

If you can't handle sitting next to your own countrymen, then you should move out. You can't honestly sit here and say you drive to AVOID other people. And in case you didn't know, you don't HAVE to talk to them. Jesus. Anyways, you don't like Americans, then go somewhere else.

You are obviously a car-addicted suburbanite who knows nothing about trains and believes the sensationalist news media's fear-mongering..

Why

@@polomaseratti5007 The project is still way behind schedule and they under-estimated the amount of money needed to complete the project.

Lol that project is long gone. It's been 5 years since I saw parts of it built and nothings been done since

​@@chris_cashflow666 ?? Buddy- it's *being built,* what are you on about? They are building new track and pushing through hurdles every day.

Politicians didn't know what they were getting in to when they wanted that train set from Los Angeles to San Francisco. They just got the first person to say he could do it without trying to figure out if someone else could do it cheaper. Some 12 year olds would have had a better chance at getting the right person.

The CA state government is behind the LA-SF HSR project. Brightline, a private company, is behind the LV-LA metro project.

If you're over 10 probably not.

Absolutely. It took Brightline in Florida 4 years to complete the entire project

@@Scroit that's Florida

My point exactly. This project should be easier and quicker to build because: 1. There are no bodies of water or significant obstacles to clear or build over since it's in the desert 2. Land along the highway allows for a straight connection between the two destinations

@@Scroit I like your positive attitude. You must be young.