CONTROVERSIAL Conversation Between Man & Trans Woman About Gender
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Күн бұрынIn Sydney, Australia, a man and a trans woman discuss gender identity beginning with the claim, “We should no longer use the word ‘gender’.” Participants consider sex vs. gender, trans as a mental illness, gender affirmation, detransitioning, and compelled speech. The two have vastly different views but surprisingly find points of agreement.
At the end, the trans woman says this conversation has been one of the best in Australia. “We’ve seen some pretty ugly scenes of protests and what have you, especially in Sydney and other places in the recent month or so… a series of public discourse around LGBTQ issues that hasn’t been a great reflection on us in general.”
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00:00 - Teaser
0:38 Claim 1: "We should no longer use the word 'gender'."
10:00 Claim 2: "Everyone's gender identity should be confirmed."
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@drpeterboghossian Жыл бұрын
Though these two individuals have vastly different views, they find points of agreement. More street epistemology videos from Australia are coming, be sure you're subscribed!
@jswets5007 Жыл бұрын
That was the first time I have heard a person who identifies as trans consider out loud that it might be a mental disorder.
@saltini1998 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this as it was interesting, calm and both people were respectful, listening to each others views. Nice to watch something without a screeching and baying activist bellowing 'bigot'
@talkshitko9234 Жыл бұрын
It's a shame you didn't ask her how many genders she believes their are.If you Trans(ition) then surely you only believe in 2 sexes
@Michael_MW Жыл бұрын
The trans woman was very respectful. I would love to have a chat with them! The way to move forward is with polite and respectful dialogue.
@josephkolodziejski6882 Жыл бұрын
@@Michael_MW You mean she is the average trans woman. Because Peter Boghossian isn't a right-wing grifter, that's what makes the difference.
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
I'm the trans woman in the conversation. Thanks everyone, it was a pleasure :)
@gonzo1483 Жыл бұрын
Hey! Question- Do most trans women only want to be called 'a woman', or do they also want to be considered 'a female'?
@rastafahrer Жыл бұрын
you did really well! it is so hard not to be nervous and to come up with answers in the middle of a discussion, especially when the viewpoints are different, you did great indeed!
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
@@gonzo1483 depends on the trans woman tbh. Not two trans women are the same haha!
@paulriccio5333 Жыл бұрын
You were an absolute delight. Although I think the gentleman was needlessly a bit insulting at times, you remained calm, measured, articulate and respectful. I am not throwing him under the bus because overall, it was a beautiful example of a successful conversation that is so rare. I have this suspicion that most people who are trans and most who have doubts about the identity are normal down to earth people and not the hysterical few throwing tantrums on social media. Well done.
@DanielCollins Жыл бұрын
It was a pleasure to listen to you❤
@bestany5517 Жыл бұрын
The trans person was engaging in good faith and very reasonable. Props.
@sueedwards9334 Жыл бұрын
It’s not reasonable to claim to be something you aren’t. He doesn’t pass at all. Clearly male.
@crunchyman5330 Жыл бұрын
Actually, if you listen closely, the content of the words that come out of the trans person is 90% nothing-statements and 10% signaling their civility with Peter.
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
@@crunchyman5330 it's a complicated world.
@crunchyman5330 Жыл бұрын
@@danaphamau 😂so insightful, such meaning!
@lisabeeke7162 Жыл бұрын
I agree the trans person words were cyclical and kind of pointless, but I thought reasonable. Great work again Peter, thank you.
@oleandra3759 Жыл бұрын
This was the best one yet. The participants engaged in good faith, made reasoned, and sound arguments. I really appreciate watching it.
@somerandomchannel382 Жыл бұрын
For anyone wondering. you have seen many transgender people during the week. Most you have no idea they are transgender. You have no idea who they are. They have no idea who you are. We all just living our own life and doing mostly what everyone else does. Sex working? No. Regular jobs, regular families, regular home and living conditions. Stop attacking people who you don't know. When these videos are only meant to put distrust in medical professional who perform surgeries on your teenage children. Anyone who wonder what transgender is - the difference between you and a transgendered person. 1 or 2 different pills for 2-3 years. That is the only difference, concerning physical intake and medicine effects.
@ColgateV1 Жыл бұрын
I think the reason the discussion went so well was because no one assumed malice in each others arguments.
@soniaess28 Жыл бұрын
It is malicious when men invade women's spaces
@ZoniZahiRoniZahi Жыл бұрын
@@soniaess28 Different subject
@soniaess28 Жыл бұрын
@@ZoniZahiRoniZahi that is the very core of this subject
@enekaitzteixeira1070 Жыл бұрын
@@soniaess28 LOL. No it's not. That's a very dumb comment.
@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024 Жыл бұрын
@@soniaess28his subject regarded a specific trans person, and that specific trans person seems like someone who would not invade women's spaces. I'm very anti-trans movement, but I can still empathise with trans individuals who aren't walking in lockstep with the movement.
@Lp0tr33 Жыл бұрын
Asking a confused person to identify what they are confused about never ends well.
@TheStealthFire Жыл бұрын
Software engineers have to do this all the time, I'd say it works out fine.
@rastrosus5176 Жыл бұрын
I personally know someone who asked their 4yr old. He was obviously confused and now wants to be a (they/them). It's child abuse in my opinion.
@tjwoosta Жыл бұрын
Isn't it exactly what therapy is?
@zeenuf00 Жыл бұрын
@@TheStealthFire dumb take
@nickmcdonald6731 Жыл бұрын
@@TheStealthFire well this isn't the situation it's more like a confused person what the true reality is.
@Jennifer-mv9pg Жыл бұрын
How wonderful that you found some intelligent, educated, thinking people to have a reasoned debate on the streets of Sydney! No screaming, no hateful slogans, no interruptions. Pleasure to listen to it
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
No problem mate :)
@clemdane Жыл бұрын
Where were they?
@richatlarge462 Жыл бұрын
It's worse. It's trying to foist new word definitions on everyone. They want us to accept a new meaning for "woman", even though they either can't or won't define it without resorting to using the word itself ("A woman is anyone who says she is a woman"). But what they really mean is either (1) an adult female who doesn't claim to be a man, or (2) a biological male whose perception of feminine stereotypes, and his mental affinity for same, has caused him to dress and act according to said stereotypes.
@gr8ful4dead Жыл бұрын
I agree! Wish we saw more of that here in the states!
@freecountry3544 Жыл бұрын
Australian are pretty peaceful in general.
@jhawk4298 Жыл бұрын
When the truth is offensive, society is the problem, not the individual
@moldbrain660 Жыл бұрын
“These people are in intellectual pain, and we need to help them” based. Very nice to see an articulate person explain why his disagreement is rooted largely in compassion. Sad to think people will view it as hatred; it is the opposite.
@ChristianToth-uv1nv Жыл бұрын
And this is always the case, and it’s very obvious. I mean, I know trans identifying people and prior to that they were depressed, in each case were into satanic imagery and art, and lacked sexual validation from the opposite sex, which is a HUGE one. When I was a kid, I used to belt “I feel like a woman” in the car with my mom, and I towed the line between being boyish and girlish in some respects. But I received sexual validation from girls, and I got laid, and today I have a boyfriend and he had the same experience growing up, but we both have acknowledge the reality that we are males and have no doubts about it. And as far as that goes, I don’t trust a gay man who has never been with women, because I don’t believe any of the LGBT nonsense is anything other than a lifestyle choice. The biological imperative to procreate is one of the most fundamental parts of our existence, and anyone who espouses to have no attraction to the opposite sex is not being honest with themselves frankly and I find it very disingenuous. The self deception goes hand in hand with with this trans garbage, because I find that those men are the most likely to question their gender, and it’s not surprising at all. As I have stayed before, where are the confident, sexually successful,attractive boys and girls who think they are trans? Where are they? It’s like they don’t exist. What a coincidence .
@enekaitzteixeira7010 Жыл бұрын
Neh, he's an ignorant moron.
@ChristianToth-uv1nv Жыл бұрын
@@cory8080 I have had sexual relations with more than one trans woman. I will tell you this: not one passes when you are up close and personal. And I personally have found someone attractive before transitioning, one particular case, but they did not receive sexual validation from specifically the opposite sex.
@j_freed 11 ай бұрын
It's a really tough hand to be dealt in life, with some guaranteed disappointment for many who think they'll feel different or that their life will change. Usually all change to overcome pain requires inner change. You might not get it from any outer thing, including medical modifications. On the Benjamin Boyce podcast there was exactly one transgender female who really passed, visually on camera. ONE. You think it's a bio woman. Those are harsh odds given the hundred or so Trans women he's had on the show, and even with transitioning the person is never a reproducing human female.
@ChristianToth-uv1nv 11 ай бұрын
@@j_freed i have been all up in the clubs for a minute afterhours everywhere there this and there i have been in it NO ONE passes. idgaf about your IG or your snap or your OF or any vlogs or anything like that does it really need to be explained that NO ONE passes in the flesh ? How did this ridiculous claim gain transaction? I guess most ppl have never literally seen the photos and then met the person the same night. Because none of them pass. The only way anyone passes is conditional on how drugged up or intoxicated you are, which my closest call was being in a K hole before my friend rescued me.
@jenniferglenn14 Жыл бұрын
Seeing civil discourse is a beautiful thing. Thank you Dr. Boghossian and participants.
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching :)
@janedoe5084 Жыл бұрын
@@danaphamau you conducted your self well
@gr8ful4dead Жыл бұрын
Dana Pham you rock!🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
@paulbozikis4645 Жыл бұрын
@@danaphamau I disagree with you on the argument but you actually showed how a debate should be conducted. you were not looking for reasons to be offended nor did you make yourself look like a victim. It may be the fact that Australians are a lot more relaxed and 'she'll be right mate'
@sarahtonin4649 Жыл бұрын
Saying gender dysphoria is "insane" is a bit harsh, and I think an exaggeration. I would say (as a transwoman) that it's pretty neurotic. I'd be more inclined to call it insane if the person truly believed that they are really the opposite sex. When people say things like, "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body," they are likely being metaphorical. When a little boy, for example, says, "I'm a girl," he doesn't understand what a girl is. Regardless of views on gender, a grown adult who believes in Satan has no business questioning someone else's sanity.
@sionaa.5038 Жыл бұрын
What I can say with certainty: If you have a healthy body and cannot accept it, then the problem lies in your head.
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
And life just goes on for me...
@austiniscoolduh Жыл бұрын
exactly. idk why they deny its a mental issue. like By Definition, its a mental problem. there's nothing even wrong with it being one. but we dont currently have any 'fix' (like meds) that can help them, so we just have to let it happen for now. the only thing we can do is try to stop the huge push of this ideology (to kids especially) because that will make ppl think theyre trans when theyre actually just confused/depressed/etc
@mamo4753 Жыл бұрын
Even if we are to assume that being trans is considered a mental illness, the best treatment that we know of is to medically transition. It would be odd to deny people the best known treatment we have.
@jknowstheway1462 Жыл бұрын
@Siona Great post
@bearlemley Жыл бұрын
And so then please stay away from children till you get your head straight
@BrookeBrooke12320 Жыл бұрын
Great conversation. So proud of the Aussies in this being able to speak respectfully.
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
My pleasure :)
@tonyjames2144 Жыл бұрын
Ghetto azzz Americans can't have this kind of dialogue lolol
@larading2914 Жыл бұрын
The reason it went so well is probably because people were willing to listen to each other, and to hear each other out before rebutting. That's how conversations and debates are supposed to work.
@pete6300 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely despise the notion that what men and women wear or how they act would somehow confuse others. Mongols, Englishmen, Greeks, Romans, Spaniards, Arabs, etc had no problem identifying the women of any foreign culture they encountered. Mannerisms and dress didn't turn their whole world view upside down.
@thisguy3032 Жыл бұрын
Right, this is a very callous point, but for all of history, when plundering and pillaging I am sure the invaders knew who to rape. Of course I wasn't there but I'm pretty sure there were not a ton of mistakes.
@johnsanity Жыл бұрын
@@thisguy3032 As it turns out, many warriors did not discriminate. By choice, or by mistake is still up for debate.
@JTguitarlessons Жыл бұрын
@@johnsanity I was there. We decided that a hole is a hole, just go for it
@richcheckmaker9789 Жыл бұрын
@@johnsanity Actually as it turns out most warriors did discriminate. And the ones that didn't got killed by the ones that did.
@coffee_and_crumpets Жыл бұрын
@@thisguy3032 you are assuming that only women were raped but young men and boys would have been targets of that kind of violence too because rape is not about sex it's about power and violence.
@downwithfaith Жыл бұрын
Did anyone else feel bad for the woman in the front who was never given a chance to speak, and who just stood there waiting awkwardly?
@ConScortis 11 ай бұрын
I was scrolling down, trying to find a comment saying exactly that! I felt bad for her.
@all_corrupt_everything 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely! She was waiting so politely
@marque2127 11 ай бұрын
It is refreshing to see an adult conversation without loony toons and adult children walking by and cursing and yelling.
@commandershepard9920 Жыл бұрын
I especially appreciated what the blonde woman in the dress had to say.
@oldhead2769 Жыл бұрын
😂
@gr8ful4dead Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@enekaitzteixeira1070 Жыл бұрын
It was such a shitty move to completely ignore her.
@Relativecalm2 Жыл бұрын
Well no-one seems particularly interested in what old school biological women have to say, anymore. It’s like the second wave of feminism got erased and women’s opinions have once again been invalidated and they are yet again rendered invisible. I guess that’s why no one noticed or bothered to seek an opinion from the blonde woman. 🤷🏻♀️ 👩🏻🦳
@all_corrupt_everything 10 ай бұрын
I agreed with her 100% ! I can't believe people are not talking about her viewpoint more.
@khuramsayeed8429 Жыл бұрын
That was one of the Best interactions with based people on completely opposite sides of the spectrum ideologically, thank you!
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
My pleasure :)
@stuartstatham3989 Жыл бұрын
What a brilliant episode. In this shouty, bigoted world a Green shoot of calm, considerate debate that allows one to appreciate both sides of a difficult discussion. Such a difference from the usual radicalised presentation of a triggering topic. I personally would side more with the gentleman’s view but the lady’s thoughts/views did leave me with more compassion for her belief. Bravo Peter
@Ghost-fe1vp Жыл бұрын
@@danaphamau what up pham :D
@potter6104 Жыл бұрын
I’ma be honest, he asked the trans man why the conversation went so well and the answer is him! This was the most civil, level headed trans individual I’ve ever seen in a discord. And the other guy actually said enough to get offended by unlike most situations I’ve seen! 💪🏽
@nrconnor2598 Жыл бұрын
Kudos to the trans person for participating in a genuine and open way.
@MePowlo Жыл бұрын
That Transwoman gave a logical argument and had the patience to enter into the discussion - more of this please
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
Will try to :)
@justinhunt1714 Жыл бұрын
Good luck. Her ability to have this sort of exploration seems to be incredibly rare amongst people in the LGBT community and I guess most liberals
@aaronqueen55 Жыл бұрын
What argument exactly? Lol. I just heard word salad and platitudes.
@weego2585 Жыл бұрын
@@justinhunt1714 I’m starting to see that more and more and I’m for it.
@trippinggauntlet4520 Жыл бұрын
It's not a woman.
@bridgetonowhere Жыл бұрын
There are 3 main ways that people use the word "gender". 1) synonymous to sex 2) "gender identity" 3) gender as in regressive traditional gender roles. The word "gender" is either used redundantly or to describe something that isn't real. "Gender identity" doesn't exist and is just people conflating personality and self-expression. Being male or female is a material reality, not a "feeling" or an "identity". You can be male and want to wear dresses or be female and buzz your head. Gender ideology is so incredibly regressive. And more importantly, you cannot force people to play along with your delusions, especially when it results in males destroying women's sports and placing male rapists in women's prisons.
@LordBlk Жыл бұрын
Not to mention the "spiritual" aspect of Gender Identity as a self-knowledge which when imposed on others creates a compulsion to their "spiritual" beliefs. Therefore, a violation of the right to freedom of religion.
@mamo4753 Жыл бұрын
"Being male or female is a material reality, not a "feeling" or an "identity"" Except it can certainly be one. What's the difference between a "father' and a "stepfather"? The answer is clearly a biological difference. Its literally why the word stepfather exists. Except, that if a man is a stepfather, but he has raised a child for most of the child's life, in a caring, supporting, financial, respectful loving manner - is he not a "father" in all but name? Wouldn't it be fair to even say that his identity is that of a "father" as he treat his stepson as his own? Or does the biological distinction seemingly override the fact that a loving stepfather will never be as good as a deadbeat, absentee, sperm-donor-at-best "father"? You know the answer to these questions. A good stepfather is absolutely a father. Why would you refuse to provide the same level of nuance and discourse to transwomen and women?
@bridgetonowhere Жыл бұрын
@@mamo4753 You wrote a whole book to present a red herring. The point is, a stepfather and father are both male. Sure, a father is biologically related to their child, a surrogate father is a guardian and parent. This has nothing to do with sex. You know this. ETA: Men who believes they are women are a subset of men. Acknowledging that truth is nuanced discourse. Lying to yourself and the rest of the world that trans-identified males are actual women is not nuanced discourse.
@netpunk5890 Жыл бұрын
@@mamo4753you seem to understand that “father” is a category that only a male can fit into. No matter what we call the man who socially fulfills the role of a male parent (and this could be a brother, uncle, or grandfather, as well), the fact will always remain that the man who impregnated the child’s mother is the man who fathered the child in the biological sense. Only a man could do so (and even if he identifies as a woman.)
@mamo4753 Жыл бұрын
@@bridgetonowhere Please don't use rhetoric terms like red herring if you don't know what they mean. I made an analogy. One you haven't addressed. No one goes around "correcting" people who call themselves "father" when they are actually "stepfathers", if they present all the characteristics that a father should have. The biological distinction is absolutely meaningless in most contexts.
@redredred1 Жыл бұрын
Indian guy is BASED! He's clearly extremely intelligent and has focused his intellect on this topic for a little bit and come to conclusions that are highly "problematic" in today's culture, but he is 100% confident and calmly explains his beliefs in a way that is virtually unassailable. And he does it, seemingly, without effort.
@enekaitzteixeira1070 Жыл бұрын
He's dumb AF.
@RN0010 Жыл бұрын
He represent all of us in Asia. Please let this craziness stay put in Australia..
@Ap0ske Жыл бұрын
It was hilarious how he had no idea what he was talking about but was so convinced of himself. No idea about how the scientific method works, nor about transitioning or anal sex...
@redredred1 Жыл бұрын
@@Ap0ske Poor guy. He must be really suffering not knowing the ins and outs of .... chopping off genitals because of a socially contagious mental illness ... and ... anal sex. Maybe you can go teach him about these things and his life will be so much better. "Hey based Indian guy - don't you know that if you cut off your wiener and say you're a woman, that the science is settled and you are a woman then? Don't you know that? And if you don't agree you hate science, did you know that also?.... Heh...... got 'em..... I'm so depressed....."
@angiebazemore5577 11 ай бұрын
What is based?
@nateofthesouth Жыл бұрын
18:47 "I don't think anyone should be forced to affirm anything." 💯I couldn't agree more! I'm only halfway through, but this has already been an incredible back and forth. Much respect to all involved.
@nateofthesouth Жыл бұрын
23:40 "Yes, because I'm talking to _her_ like a normal human being" God damn, this series can really restore one's faith in humanity. Sometimes, _sometimes_, things are far less polarized than we see on the screens.
@nateofthesouth Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 I'll stop time stamping, but when Peter said "I'm 56" I about lost my shit! 🤣
@MattPearcey-ws8zx Жыл бұрын
What is interesting about his age? Your comment would have impact if you provide context.
@terrancephillips5798 Жыл бұрын
If only trans folks in America were as introspective and considerate as this trans woman. Kudos lady!
@strangenameforaband342 Жыл бұрын
I think what happened was that the trans person went through all this before the mass propaganda came through.
@casusolivas Жыл бұрын
Exactly… people would be way more accepting… trans activists just make everything worse for us and for people like her.
@jamesclark6487 Жыл бұрын
I'm half way through and the lady hasn't spoken yet.
@AmstradExin Жыл бұрын
USA is so sex obsessed.....Mothers don't breastfeed, Sex Ed classes instead of Economics and now they want to abolish the word Gender. Even though Sex is short for Saxon.
@MsChifran Жыл бұрын
They are but the trans folks that just get on with their lives tend to not be used within the media for hysteria
@manaloola2018 Жыл бұрын
“If you argue against reality, it means you’re insane” Love it!
@jamesclark6487 Жыл бұрын
I too agree with the noseless fence post.
@Bexstarartist Жыл бұрын
He thinks science has been conclusive in the past 😅😅 He is religious and brings up satan. Facts and logic. Satan. Facts and logic Wakey wakey 😂😂😂😂
@Rig0r_M0rtis Жыл бұрын
@@Bexstarartist My thoughts exactly. He said "science is absolute and self-evident", he obviously confuses science and religion.
@Bexstarartist Жыл бұрын
@@Rig0r_M0rtis he also talks about Satan! The self deception is just incredible.
@paintitblack6728 Жыл бұрын
When the truth and reality hurts the feelings of the mentally ill.
@BuddhaAfterDark Жыл бұрын
so refreshing, adults having an adult conversation with other adults. more please :D
@tarrahbarker24 Жыл бұрын
Love how they can be polite and discuss it without verbally abusing one another. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your personal feeling !! 🥰
@riccphoto Жыл бұрын
This is vastly more civilised than most of the american universities that had these interviews.
@clayton97330 Жыл бұрын
Mature individuals vs. Brainwashed teenagers
@clemdane Жыл бұрын
Probably because the TRAs didn't know they were coming so didn't ambush them
@drpeterboghossian Жыл бұрын
Correct
@megazw7740 Жыл бұрын
Isn't that interesting. Are the young becoming less tolerant with their presumed heightened tolerance.
@Rig0r_M0rtis Жыл бұрын
Aussies are incredibly laid back. Tho it comes hand in hand with casual racism and jokes about homosexuals.
@weego2585 Жыл бұрын
The trans woman was relatively reasonable, i dig that.
@johnsanity Жыл бұрын
Most are, but they do not make the sensationalist news cut.
@weego2585 Жыл бұрын
@@johnsanity Which is unfortunate because that is how folks right-leaning, become radicalized.
@Michael_MW Жыл бұрын
@@weego2585 Agreed! And so the perception gap continues to grow.
@razvan_anton Жыл бұрын
There is no reason uttered by that person, you mean that the person is calm not that is reasonable but that is not acting up. Not the same thing as being reasonable. I bet you'd call people who disagree with you right wing radicalized yet you are the one who is calling nonsense "reasonable". You are such a good person that's why you get so many likes.
@dustinliam7878 Жыл бұрын
Don't have the radicalized activists broadcast by media outlets then, especially mainstream ones, and you won't have as many "radical right-leaners."
@moonlightray8493 Жыл бұрын
It's so wholesome to see Peter cracking up at the Indian guy's choice of words! I, too, lost it at "I identify as a streetlamp", "bisexual labradoodle", "it's wrong to piss in your friend's lunchbox", and the way that he described anal sex with a completely straight face, hahaha
@SarcasticPlotRecaps 7 ай бұрын
He needs his own podcast lmao he's hilarious and based AF 😅
@federicocordioli7254 11 ай бұрын
FANTASTIC exchange of opinions. Was very interesting to hear the point of view of a sane trans woman, i really wish you had more time to explore more arguments with her. Also got to appreciate how incredibly blunt and honest that man was. Very rare behaviour to find these days. Thank you
@drpeterboghossian 11 ай бұрын
Delighted you enjoyed it!
@Provocateurofendtimes Жыл бұрын
It is difficult to deal with the mental gymnastics of many of these people. The general population's compassion has been hijacked and this is now bordering on pure emotional manipulation.
@ReasonAboveEverything Жыл бұрын
It's not bordering it. It is just that. I guess a big part of it is to create an environment where you don't get feed back from other people that would be contradictory to your own identity. It's peak mental weakness.
@Provocateurofendtimes Жыл бұрын
@I am the one I agree with you when it comes to the zealots. There are many people who still recognize that sex can not be changed and that the social science of "gender" is fluid. I see no issue with recognizing that women and men do not have universal cultural norms. I do take issue with the " if I don't get elected surgery, I will kill myself" argument. That is emotional abuse. I also take issue with the demand that others "affirm" someone else's internal beliefs system.
@johnsanity Жыл бұрын
It's not much different from half the population thinking they are immortal based entirely on their chosen religious identity.
@Provocateurofendtimes Жыл бұрын
@@johnsanity it's different because they aren't requiring that I tell them they are correct
@weego2585 Жыл бұрын
@@johnsanity Agreed. Woke ideology shares many traits with mainstream religions. Its inherent urge to suppress contradictions within its beliefs is something you'll see often from recognized religions.
@captain_dn Жыл бұрын
Oh my god I love this older gentleman! 😂 He gets his point across so easily and with great humor!
@josealexi5141 Жыл бұрын
He's so HONEST & STRAIGHT-FORWARD
@Long_Duk_Dong Жыл бұрын
He should have his own podcast.
@Daddy_Sexy Жыл бұрын
He have a very bad understanding of "science"
@miloligons25 Жыл бұрын
He is a true example of a loving empathetic human being. His family is very lucky.
@Daddy_Sexy Жыл бұрын
@@jacobjohnson6766 You're right, he did say science is settled, showing he have no idea what he's talking about. At one point he even said anal sex is evil and will kill you... A true man of science 🙄
@jabarinath2452 Жыл бұрын
This is the wildest conversation ever. Both individuals are both reasonable and extreme at the same time 😂
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
My pleasure :)
@Nous520 Жыл бұрын
It’s amazing It’s the epitome of productive debate. ❤
@JoeElliotSA Жыл бұрын
This was an absolutely amazing debate on both sides. This should be shown to the world. Big up to both speakers. It was great to see two people have a respectful talk between each other. 👍👌❤️
@HarryNicNicholas Жыл бұрын
it's a sad day when acting like normal human beings is considered the exception.
@kjf729 Жыл бұрын
Imagine growing up in a slum in some undeveloped country and carrying water jugs on your shoulders in bare feet across dirt roads and wilderness from the time you are 6 years old, the biggest threat to your life is starvation or diseases that are curable in most parts of the world, working insanely hard to develop the skills and confidence to study abroad and lift your entire family out of poverty, becoming a doctor in an advanced western country, then finding yourself standing around trying to debate the reality of sexual dimorphism in humans.
@terrancecloverfield6791 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's why the rest of the world without the luxuries of running water is laughing at us. Videos like this is sorely needed so the rest of world doesn't take the worst of western society at its worst times (e.g. June).
@HarryNicNicholas Жыл бұрын
interesting comment in it's lack of connection to the point.
@bestthingsinceslicedrice Жыл бұрын
This issue about gender is overblown here in the west that its clear as day as an agenda. Danger also mentioning the rat utopia is also a good example of what is transpiring
@kdog4587 11 ай бұрын
Well that's just a ridiculous point. In that sense it'd mean anyone not from the slums couldn't complain about anything in their life because compared to some others, their lives are easy? There are still trans people in slums, there are gay people in slums.. you know that right?
@RonMarek Жыл бұрын
"If you argue against reality, it means you're insane."
@Briaaanz Жыл бұрын
How can we say we perceived reality the same? U could be a brain in a vat, or acting as a battery while locked in the Matrix
@s.d4001 Жыл бұрын
@@Briaaanz this line of thinking is fine in a philosophy class but it’s not practical for the functioning of society. If we accept everyone can have completely different versions of reality, which defy all logic and reason, then we might as well get rid of all the mental hospitals and stop trying to find cures since who’s to say schizophrenic people aren’t actually being contacted by demons?
@RonMarek Жыл бұрын
@@Briaaanz Our shared objective truths, validated by empirical evidence and consensus, shape reality, not individual perception. Your viewpoint doesn't alter the earth's roundness, does it?
@Briaaanz Жыл бұрын
@@RonMarek so objectively, is the dress blue or yellow? Keep in mind, i was just being mildly snarky. Don't take comments too seriously. 😁
@thunkjunk Жыл бұрын
@@Briaaanz You don't know that you could be a brain in a vat or in the Matrix. The point is that we have no way of knowing that we're not. However, when you think you see a duck, it quacks, it smells like a duck, it waddles like a duck, it swims like a duck, makes baby ducks; it is perfectly reasonable to land on the assumption that the duck exists. To believe the duck exists because it is a program in the Matrix and there is a real world in which humanity is cultivated as batteries for an artificial intelligence without any evidence is not perfectly reasonable.
@shyman3000 Жыл бұрын
As i suspected, an actual transperson is far more polite, respectful and human than their so called "allies".
@strangenameforaband342 Жыл бұрын
This is the first time I've seen anything like this and hadn't cringed. The trans person has had a lot of years to think their position through and looks as comfortable in their position as you could get. The old fella did okay too, he sounds like he is aware of some of the shenanigans going on. I feel like I could talk to either of them and respect them.
@benybilly3519 Жыл бұрын
Just because anyone APPEAR TO NE *Calm and Collected...?? It doesn't GIVE THE RIGHT TO BE Able to Earn or expect to attract any other Person attention and ABSOLUTELY ANY TYPE OF RESPECT when trying to Convince ANY normal Woman or Men that there are a such a Thing of those 👺New Unacceptable Brain Washing & Indoctrinating New Sick/Perverted and totally UNREALISTIC type of Definition...WHEN IT COMES TO Be STEADLY normal balanced & Well Informed Intelligent Man & Woman .Out there and EVERYWHERE!!👺
@miketexas4549 Жыл бұрын
Sure but only one of them is correct
@enekaitzteixeira1070 Жыл бұрын
The fat old man is absolutely ridiculous. He doesn't understand science, he confuses being wrong with being insane, he thinks anal sex will kill you, he doesn't believe in climate change, and he believes in Islam. He's not a thinker.
@Daddy_Sexy Жыл бұрын
If I was that blonde woman in the middle, I'd feel like this was a waste of my time and there was no reason for me to be part of it.
@eudymaverickmentor Жыл бұрын
I agree. However, she never took a stand on anything. She was always in the middle. So in other words, not much to say.
@oyobizzle3750 Жыл бұрын
She's neutral
@kentonwilliams2439 Жыл бұрын
@@eudymaverickmentor Nobody has any idea what she wanted to say cause they never bloody asked her. Maybe she had the most interesting take of all 3.
@Daddy_Sexy Жыл бұрын
@@eudymaverickmentor That doesn't mean you have good reasoning for standing where she did. She might have better reason to stand where she did then the two others. I think we can all easily imagine her having better arguments then the black guy saying "anal sex is evil and will kill you" "science is settled and doesn't change".
@personalcheeses8073 Жыл бұрын
@@kentonwilliams2439 If she had something to say I’m sure she would have interjected. She was probably interested in the exchange
@genniebeeXCU Жыл бұрын
I do appreciate that these videos allow both sides to be heard. That trans woman is the most reasonable trans person I've come across (online or in person) in a very long time. Great discussion!
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
My pleasure :)
@garyfmnz Жыл бұрын
Best conversation on this I have heard. Well done Aussies!
@Weldeborn Жыл бұрын
I love seeing people with differences of opinion being able to talk in such a good and civilized way. Impressed by everyone involved! Thanks Peter for one of the better videos you made!
@tentrickspony8925 Жыл бұрын
gender /trans ideology is a religion, an ideology, based in faith. a cult more like and in my opinion rooted in sexism. that being said, i do not believe in it and it does not make me a bigot. i do know that trans people exist and i also believe that they should be treated with decency and respect. how ever, decency and respect is not including trans women in women sports...that is misogyny of the worst kind if all it takes to be a woman is to simply identify as one.
@tracyaf6084 Жыл бұрын
I think this is the most common view. I’ve never spoken with anyone who advocates discrimination against trans people, they just don’t believe what the trans person believes and want to maintain sex based rights.
@Raven_Fable Жыл бұрын
You're wrong, it's not a religion or a cult, we don't have any cohesive meetings like one. I think you're just a bigot.
@zeenuf00 Жыл бұрын
@@tracyaf6084 'transgenderism' isn't a real thing.
@aaronqueen55 Жыл бұрын
Rooted in pedophilia I’d say, but yes, I agree, it is the worst form of misogyny there is. And I’d say trans people exists only in the same sense as anorexic people exist. They’re disorders that require treatment.
@julesvis Жыл бұрын
Well said.
@paullegend6798 Жыл бұрын
I am only half way through, but for the trans person to hold their calm and be willing to debate whilst told they are insane is so admirable. Seems like its heading to be one of the most sensible and rational trans debates of all time.
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed it, it was my pleasure :)
@Thaimiles Жыл бұрын
He wasn’t calling them insane. This is part of the entire issue. He is talking generally, and answering the question. The mobs on Twitter get offended because he/we use general terms like he is doing and they don’t seem to have the capacity to Listen and respond sensibly. It’s All a crazy Reaction because they think someone is trying to Erase them, but no one can erase them. They seem so starved for validation that they simply react with fear and hostility.
@patricko9129 Жыл бұрын
@@Thaimiles he wasn't speaking in general terms, he said that trans people are insane multiple times. We both know if asked "are all trans people insane" how he would respond. I agree that often conversations regarding social relations are spoken in generalities but this man was speaking in absolutes. He said that any deviation from the norm (he called it being complex) is insane, which is the most absolutist argument I've heard so far regarding trans issues
@Thaimiles Жыл бұрын
@@patricko9129 After this conversation he may not believe they are all insane. I try not to assume anything. I agree he has some strong beliefs about things and seems he won’t change them, and I thought the trans person was very sensible. My point is it’s just the ones screaming that the media listens to so “normal” people take their sides as to not appear transphobic. It’s maddening.
@paullegend6798 Жыл бұрын
@@Thaimiles Yeah I agree. I don't think the "Trans Activist Movement" reflects the average trans person very well at all. It makes silly demands like inclusion in Women's sport, that I doubt the avg trans person gives a monkey's about. When you continue to see a procession of Dylan Mulvaney types, it is would be very easy to start to think all trans people are insane. But that is the "insane" world we live in, it just promotes extremes because that is great clickbait.
@ohhhjadeee Жыл бұрын
i am completely shocked by the normal conversation i’m seeing where people listen and respect one another
@bennuballbags2 7 ай бұрын
Its Australia, we just speak our mind and not lose the plot
@ohhhjadeee 7 ай бұрын
I was kinda being facetious because yes, I am Australian and I have watched too many videos of American leftists who can’t have a normal conversation because if anyone goes against them they get their feelings hurt and cry about it. We are different in Australia but unfortunately we are breeding a younger generation who are brainwashed and don’t have any critical thinking skills, and also some people my age who are too woke and opinionated about things fed to them. Soooo ya, agree with you and I hope Australia can pick itself up and not be 🐑
@damsel5755 10 ай бұрын
This was a great one. Refreshing to see 2 people being so reasonable and respectful, while disagreeing completely.
@tinahochstetler2189 Жыл бұрын
If they want to change the word gender to mean gender identity, they should just say gender identity. I think the only reason they refuse to do so is to muddy the language to help them gain control or the narrative.
@andrewdominowski4631 Жыл бұрын
Bingo. It’s about control. It’s pretty well know that certain personality disorders are prone to manipulate. It stems from weakness that’s why they tend to go with the “untouchable”. They’re preying on peoples hood nature. That’s where I believe the pushback comes from.
@muffaloaf Жыл бұрын
Just change it to male or female stereotypes. Because that’s just what it is!
@aaronqueen55 Жыл бұрын
Gender is just another word for sex. When it’s used any other way, that interlocutor is deploying confusion.
@ls-l1518 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. That's what they are trying relentlessly. I believe, they are so confused, they want to confuse everybody else. To feel less confused maybe.
@Bexstarartist Жыл бұрын
They do say gender identity. And trans means transition to the opposite gender that is assigned to our birth sex.
@gametime2473 Жыл бұрын
This trans person is quite reasonable. If only the trans movement was so charitable. It's a terrible situation for people that are trans but IMO the trans movement is doing nothing but turning people against them. I know I was fully in favor of the trans movement initially but it has become a hard line for me due to the actions of the movement itself. They are now preying on children and that is criminal, vile behavior worthy of jail time. The physicians and therapists in the pipeline that are doing life altering surgeries on minors deserve LENGTHY prison sentences.
@marieparker3822 Жыл бұрын
If we followed the Nuremberg Code (1947), they would be hanged. Seven doctors were, for performing experimental medical/surgical procedures on people who were not in a position to give their informed consent.
@justalitttleun Жыл бұрын
The ideology of the "trans movement" was, is and always has been about grooming children. In conjuction with the UN tying to normalise pedophilia, says it all.
@anapontopina86 Жыл бұрын
@@richardshortall5987in this case I don't see the ideological possession of some TRAs. It's possible that the original genuine transpeople have a different hormonal and brain activation pattern, which makes them susceptible to gender dysphoria. This person seems to have genuinely suffered and transition was the way to cope. They couldn't articulate the emotions and reasons for the suffering... Which is normal, guys have hard times talking about feelings🤭
@Raven_Fable Жыл бұрын
There is no preying on minors and there is no movement. People are simply coming out with less social stigma like when left handed was no longer a crime
@mamo4753 Жыл бұрын
Child beauty pageants were a thing, especially in more conservatives states. No one seemingly cared about the weird sexualization of children on the right until fabricated stories came from conservatives about drag and trans. The #1 cause of child related deaths come from guns. You don't go around asking to ban guns to protect the children. You don't actually care about children. You want to be outraged and an excuse was fabricated for you.
@patrickselden5747 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating, Peter - thanks to you, your crew and the three people who took part. ☝️😎
@giop.9275 Жыл бұрын
This is why I love Australia. You can have a debate on hot topics without escalating. The trans community needs more ppl like her.
@fightforjustice3744 9 ай бұрын
Then you haven't seen what the fed government is trying to push through which will effectively destroy the ability to have that discussion.
@jimmydonutz6213 Жыл бұрын
That was really good. I like that he was able to be strong and clear with his deeply held beliefs while staying civil, and she was able to keep emotions out of her words. And both listened to the other! Well done 👍🏻
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
It was a pleasure mate :)
@soniaess28 Жыл бұрын
*he. Three men dominated this conversation
@LunarLocust 10 ай бұрын
@@soniaess28😂 the poor woman had three dudes mansplaining gender at her
@katoi- Жыл бұрын
I don’t know who that trans person was, but where I started off thinking they were being vague & just repeating cliches, by the end I thought they were utterly awesome & spoke wonderfully eloquently. 10/10 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@sueedwards9334 Жыл бұрын
Still a denier of reality, with an untreated mental illness.
@C_R_O_M________ Жыл бұрын
I actually think he did a very good job right off the bat. I also think he faced huge problems growing up realising he was gay and somewhat different from what one would expect from one's anatomy. This could be very traumatising without help, hence, I believe the desperate attempts to get rid of the "offensive" body parts. A huge mistake in my opinion and an option that should never be given to immature, before adulthood, children.
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
I try to avoid cliches as best I can :)
@C_R_O_M________ Жыл бұрын
@@danaphamau I'm curious. At the end of this discussion, could you see yourself in the shoes of the man that criticised the gender concept? Would his arguments resonate in you if you weren't who you are? I mean, try to pretend neutrality for a moment, which I know it's, in itself, a titanic task to ask from somebody. P.S. I think you showed class in that dialectical game.
@rogerward801 Жыл бұрын
@@danaphamauIt seems as if all trans people try to fit traditional stereotypes which seems illogical
@Rojosi Жыл бұрын
Peter thank you so much for these discussions, which are difficult but essential. There is hope for Australia yet 👏
@alexscottthompson812 Жыл бұрын
lol, I'm going to start using "pissed in his lunchbox" in my normal conversations. "My boss has really been on my back lately... that guy is really pissin' in my lunchbox this week."
@weego2585 Жыл бұрын
"He was on drugs", man this guy knows comedic timing.
@tavuzzipust7887 Жыл бұрын
If a guy thinks he's Napoleon, that's fine by me. But he has no right to expect me to address him as "Your Imperial Majesty." If a guy thinks he's a woman, that's fine by me. But he has no right to expect me to address him as "she", "her", "ma'am" or anything else of the sort.
@HarryNicNicholas Жыл бұрын
with a name like tavuzzi pust i bet you have fun times. i don't expect anyone is going to force you to talk to, or address anyone in any way you don't want to, when was the last time someone did that to you, cos i never even met a trans person (knowingly) let alone had my arm twisted to say "miss", this is the sort of comment that comes from someone who never had any experience of anyone other than your own in group but for some reason people you never met bother you. i bet you want books you never read banned too. and you had to edit your comment?
@BulkernatorKerb Жыл бұрын
@HarryNicholas You have extremely limited knowledge and understanding of this topic and it shows. You only need to look towards Canadian legislation and the issues going on in the US to see what he is talking about. Keep your head in the sand all you want but your closed mind is not going to serve you.
@gluedmynuts Жыл бұрын
But you'll hurt their feelings!!
@enekaitzteixeira1070 Жыл бұрын
You have poor empathy then.
@tsongromytv4412 Жыл бұрын
That probably the most respectful trans that you’ve ever interviewed.
@casusolivas Жыл бұрын
Amazing episode Peter… great job to all participants… if trans rethoric was like hers we wouldn’t be on the position we are now fighting against the absurdists…
@DorianPaige00 Жыл бұрын
Peter edits, frames, and makes preconceived conclusions. He finds a fascist and a transwoman and gives them space. He'll highlight and take out of context anything he deems can leave the transgender in a negative light.
@DorianPaige00 Жыл бұрын
fdd
@DorianPaige00 Жыл бұрын
fdfd fdfdf dfdf fdf dfdf dfdf
@courageousmelon5654 Жыл бұрын
I kinda feel bad for the woman with the blue shirt... she was not given any speaking time.
@zeenuf00 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I guess actual women have no say, right? smfh
@mrbiglicks8267 Жыл бұрын
Shouldn't have been a fence sitter. Stand for something.
@casusolivas Жыл бұрын
@@zeenuf00 😂 bruh
@AuntyJack123 Жыл бұрын
Fence sitters gonna share what point of view? That it hurts coz the iron in sharp?
@courageousmelon5654 Жыл бұрын
@@AuntyJack123 You are not very familiar with Peter's videos, are you? He often does ask the "neutral" stanced people for their opinion.
@stevomatico Жыл бұрын
That Indian guy was 💯% spot on
@stevomatico Жыл бұрын
@@Justwonguy maybe you missed the point of the conversation
@stevomatico Жыл бұрын
@@Justwonguy we appear to be on the same side, so I don’t wish to squabble . I agree with you. MAGA
@wayneandrews1022 2 ай бұрын
Disagree, evidently 40 years in IT have made him an expert in psychology, biology, sexuality and all the settled science. He’s entitled to his opinions, but that’s about all they are, I happen to think he’s wrong about most of what he says and extremely presumptuous in his assertions about others’ states of mind.
@christiansalazar-2318 Жыл бұрын
That was a good one. Seriously everybody respected each other as humans even though they differed in opinions. They were all mature and able to have a conversation.
@DorianPaige00 Жыл бұрын
Do you think 18-25 year olds should not serve in the military after all you don't think their brain has fully developed? How about those college loans? I guess their void too.
@DorianPaige00 Жыл бұрын
dfd
@williamwaugh8670 Жыл бұрын
There is no "trans woman", and whoever says there is is advocating for ruining children's lives.
@gagestandingready1472 Жыл бұрын
The Trans Women isn't a Trans Activist and that's refreshing. I would call her, she.
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
@@eudymaverickmentor *trans woman
@lellamas2778 Жыл бұрын
Wow - welcome to Australia. Hope we treated you well
@drpeterboghossian Жыл бұрын
Fantastically well. Right before we shot this we asked the police if we could film. One officer said, “Of course, mate”.
@abigailteklu7551 Жыл бұрын
I love how smart this guy is. not afraid to say the truth
@stevetennispro Жыл бұрын
Yet he still called the man she. It's like 2+2=4... except when you have exceptionally large values of 2, because 2=2=5 or 6 or any number really because #'s are just socially constructed right? ;)
@xabhinavvijay1151 Жыл бұрын
One of the most courteous conversations I have ever heard on the topic.
@nickmcdonald6731 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if trying to treat this person with therapy would have worked if they didnt have activists screaming a lie in their ear that they could fully become a woman?
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
It didn't work for me in the early 2000s
@basilfawlty241 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit. This was by far the best video you have ever made. No need to apologize for laughing, that guy was hilarious. And, a trans person that was able to have a reasonable conversation in the same video. I hope you bought a lottery ticket the day you filmed this. Fantastic. Although, you did ignore that poor blond girl. P.S. As a topic idea. See what you can find on opinions about 'flamboyant' personalities. I tend to think that is the biggest part of the issue with LGBTQ+lmnop acolytes.
@slimal1 Жыл бұрын
I think she was ignored because she was neutral. And the other two were engaging and refreshingly respectful and articulate.
@zedasamuel7164 Жыл бұрын
That was great, Peter. Thank you. And thank the people willing to play along.
@xragg Жыл бұрын
Calm discourse between people that disagree on topics. I didn't think existed anymore. Great discussion.
@mmattb Жыл бұрын
Thank God for this conversation! I feel like these people are speaking the same internal dialogue I'm having on this subject. I particularly appreciate how balanced the trans-woman is. She was very honest and balanced it seemed to me.
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to hear, it was my pleasure!
@nickmcdonald6731 Жыл бұрын
I have a question: There is 100 Schizophrenic paitients. 99 of them can be treated with therapy , drugs , or a cobination. 1 of them cant , should we then affirm their schizophrenic delusions ?
@MMABrosPOD Жыл бұрын
The trans woman took the most sensible positions in most of this conversation.
@100vg Жыл бұрын
It wasn't really heated at all. It was a discussion. I saw no anger. Just people relating their feelings; one better than the other, but even still.
@lucasparham5068 Жыл бұрын
Usually the “anti trans” position seems more reasonable, but in this case the anti trans guy was rambling about satanism and all kinds of non related tangents harming his case.
@Puppies-z9h Жыл бұрын
I found the trans woman to be the more reasonable of the two.
@clayton97330 Жыл бұрын
And butt stuff
@nz2737 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Plus his comments on science were also mistaken, as new things are being discovered and understood everyday in science in ways that contradict what was previously thought, science is always evolving and improving upon itself. His comment on atheism being bullshit + satanism + his views on homosexuality make it clear he’s religious and allowing religious values to guide his conclusions. I think her points were actually the most reasonable and nuanced in this case
@strangenameforaband342 Жыл бұрын
If you believe in God then then his position his obviously right, it's not that hard to understand.
@TheLastSecretGarden Жыл бұрын
He obviously subscribes to his religion, science, and his interpretation of reality, and he seems completely confident in his beliefs and without need for affirmation. Great - at least he has reasons behind his responses. I don't agree with him, however, I will respect his beliefs / religion as I would anyone. A confident person does not need your affirmation. The trans woman here is a perfect example of that. She doesn't need that man's affirmations. She doesn't need to argue with him. She'll go on living her life as she does and as he will. At least he has the common courtesy to refer to her as a "lady" and she doesn't attack his religious beliefs. This is what we should aim for. We can all belief and feel as we want but we have to live in a society.
@Pysees868 Жыл бұрын
The older gentleman is a breath of fresh air. He was direct without being rude. Put him before the biggest microphone, so the entire world can hear his logic.
@desi-atheist Жыл бұрын
he has one foot stuck in religion, I am thinking Islam. I agree with him on some things but he is straight-out homophobic, probably because of his religion.
@miketexas4549 Жыл бұрын
He's from the "No BS" generation. Enjoy it while it lasts, as a Gen Xer only half of my generation is rooted in common sense and reality like this gentleman, the other half subscribes to the delusional Twilight Zone of pregnant men and women with penises. Sadly we are only a decade or two away from every man woman and child representing the alternate universe.
@bbbbbbb51 Жыл бұрын
He was fairly rude a couple different times. Calling all trans people insane is a bit of a stretch. Even I know a few who are grounded in reality & I don't know many.
@miketexas4549 Жыл бұрын
@@bbbbbbb51 Insane is a stretch... DELUSIONAL is more accurate and representative.
@ShadowsMasquerade Жыл бұрын
I found him to be pretty annoying and overtly closed minded.
@andrewjackson7014 Жыл бұрын
Just a fantastic conversation! Kudos to all involved for their civility and honesty. ❤
@QuantumThoughts69 Жыл бұрын
I have respect for all in this one, it’s refreshing to see such civil discourse. Even though I didn’t agree with all the points I thought it was a productive discussion. Great content
@rabitskin Жыл бұрын
"Piss in your friend's lunchbox" This guy is unintentionally hilarious 😂
@casusolivas Жыл бұрын
Oh no, I think he is very intentional lol
@mikegray8776 Жыл бұрын
@@casusolivas I’m not convinced he is aware of the secondary (colloquial) meaning of “lunchbox”.
@casusolivas Жыл бұрын
@@mikegray8776 we should ask him
@c.chinaski3156 Жыл бұрын
this man is supremely based loved this conversation.
@enekaitzteixeira1070 Жыл бұрын
You're extremely idiotic.
@fightinsightpodcast Жыл бұрын
Incredible discussion and I really appreciate both individuals for speaking so openly about their beliefs.
@user_angelmum Жыл бұрын
A professor in America tried to do a similar experiment (with the lines and questions)and was shouted down..screamed at..it's wonderful to see in Australia people speak calmly and allow different opinions .
@ShadowsMasquerade Жыл бұрын
I think it was the same guy. But in America lots of people are triggered very easily.
@bulldogbarrios Жыл бұрын
He's done them in US
@symoneprice798 Жыл бұрын
That was HIM!!! Lol
@missymc1547 Жыл бұрын
Can’t help but think that if this conversation was at PSU, the transphobe word would have been slung within the first 5 seconds.
@passagemaker6039 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. The last words brought a tear to my eye. It is so refreshing to hear people speak and listen.
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
It was a pleasure :)
@cathrynpaterson7539 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that KZfaq hasn't shut you down! I'm having trouble persuading my husband that I'm a 6 foot 4 inch black trans man instead of a 5 foot White woman. I loved that Trans woman summary. I watched your Portland State street talks, especially the one where the women wanted their faces blocked out and the heated discussion of the folks who came down form the top of the school building. Keep up the great work.
@galaxxy09 Жыл бұрын
Where did you find these two? Such great and insightful conversations. Thank you again!
@jswets5007 Жыл бұрын
Ideology is the enemy of critical thinking and rational conversation is the enemy of dogmatic decision making.
@ninjacrumbs Жыл бұрын
I agree. But what are you arguing?
@jswets5007 Жыл бұрын
@@ninjacrumbs I am not arguing anything. These are just some observations of the mental road blocks present in the rational thought process of most, if not all, human beings.
@ninjacrumbs Жыл бұрын
@@jswets5007 I like the quote, and you posted it for a reason, right? I`m just curious as to what was the catalyst?
@jswets5007 Жыл бұрын
@@ninjacrumbs The discussions in this video displayed both sides very clearly. In my opinion at least.
@ninjacrumbs Жыл бұрын
@@jswets5007 Ok. So it is just a sound advice reminder. Ain`t nothing wrong with that. I was just really taken with it and realized that that is kryptonite to any fringe faction on any issue.
@mickyr171 Жыл бұрын
The problem is, the powers that be are holding onto the stereotypes of gender, boys like trucks and girls like dolls, lets expand what a boy and girl are and what they like and all this goes away, instead we hold on and claim a boy that likes dolls is possibly a girl now, im a 40 year old man who collects care bears, that doesn't change my gender, I simply redefined what my gender means to me.
@angelas7257 Жыл бұрын
And not once did the opposing sides lose their cool or scream at each other! This was the best video! Well done to all. How refreshing!
@dogecoin9562 Жыл бұрын
This is a rare video like this where the person on the left ends up making more sense than the opponent. Props to the trans woman for being so level headed and having a reasonable point of view
@tomcotter4299 Жыл бұрын
"What is gender?" "It's your gender-identity." "What is gender-identity?" "It's the gender you identify with."
@josealexi5141 Жыл бұрын
Wasn't it just easier when we only had XX and XY?? This non-binary, gender-fluid and cake-gender BS is just insane!
@ladystudio3596 Жыл бұрын
What is circular reasoning?
@Jackjohnjay Жыл бұрын
What IS that?
@roberjohnsmith Жыл бұрын
Gender and sex are synonyms. We've allowed them to hijack the word. The word gender literally is the exact same thing in sex and always has been
@roberjohnsmith Жыл бұрын
@Afterglow Express what??? I never said David bowie isn't a man. David bowie is definitely a man. He could put a wig on and change his name to Sally but he's still a man.
@a.rogers9358 Жыл бұрын
The male elder has some phenomenal arguments. Bravo 👏🏻 👏🏻!
@tdsdave Жыл бұрын
Not really. He thinks science provides truth , when it only provides the best explanation given the data, and he thinks matters that we look at in science always get resolved with this best explanation, however many are left as open questions . He thinks atheists don't exist , which is just a presupposition because he can't imagine a world without god. On the gender thing I kind of agree with his conclusions but I doubt his reasoning is anything other than knee jerk.
@consequencesandrepercussio1182 Жыл бұрын
@a.rogers9358 He definitely makes me rethink/reevaluate a couple of my positions. Guy is based!
@cobracommander8133 Жыл бұрын
The guy that said were “legalizing satanism?” 😂 yeah that was a phenomenal argument 🤣 are you kidding me??!!!
@a.rogers9358 Жыл бұрын
It's your right to pack hershey and get your hershey packed or think you're something you're not. It's also his right to disagree.
@zizendorf Жыл бұрын
@@cobracommander8133 Thank you for noticing! He was civilized but, obviously holds mythical beliefs, i.e., religious.
@vsand9798 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that everyone could calmly and curiously express their position, even though they had very different views.
@lorraine1959 Жыл бұрын
This was so good to watch because 2 people with opposing views could discuss this in a rationale manner whithout being abusive or becoming violent with each other or towards the facilitator of the topic. Well done to all involved!
@nztasha Жыл бұрын
Good conversation in general. However, one set of questions that was not asked was whether the trans identified male felt entitled to use women’s spaces and what his reaction would be to being asked to leave a women’s only space.
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
If you did see me use women’s spaces, would you have known?
@mickc6347 Жыл бұрын
@@danaphamau to be honest yes,you can see something is not right
@nztasha Жыл бұрын
If you are the trans identified male in the video I guess you’ve answered my first question. If asked to leave a female only space on the basis that you’re male, would you?
@danaphamau Жыл бұрын
@@nztasha I've never been asked to leave female-only spaces.
@nztasha Жыл бұрын
@@danaphamau that wasn’t my question. If you were in a female space, and someone said to you, “hey you’re male, you shouldn’t be in here, please leave”. Would you leave?
@sarahbarendse8507 Жыл бұрын
Not playing this game. I agree with the man in the opening. You identify as a lamp post. Fine by me. I don't care. But don't ask me to play pretend with you and worse persecute me for not going along.
@kenfordbody4lyfefitness Жыл бұрын
For the first time I’m hearing a very logically speaking Trans person. This is the FIRST Trans person that I’ve seen that isn’t all emotional.
@StoicTaste Жыл бұрын
Peter, I love your videos and I hope you never stop doing these. I also really like how you conduct yourself, how you listen to people and are able to get along with differing opinions.
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