Converting Row Crops to Pasture: Our Five Step Plan

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The Beginning Farmer

The Beginning Farmer

4 ай бұрын

A big project is about to begin! Turning soil that has been continually row cropped for years into a lush green pasture is not an easy "field of dreams" ... "if you build it they will come ... or that the grass will grow". We have a continually changing plan of the path we are going to take, but for now we have an idea at least. Of course it is all subject to change!
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@CCRep123
@CCRep123 3 ай бұрын
BTW...I want you to know that your videos are far better than your view counts indicates. Keep up the great work... it'll come.
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words!!
@davidlobaugh4490
@davidlobaugh4490 3 ай бұрын
This fella perty smart, hopefully his channel takes off🤠
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 3 ай бұрын
Haha ... thanks :) I'm not sure how smart I am most days, but we are keeping our heads down and moving forward!
@CCRep123
@CCRep123 4 ай бұрын
Great video... you're on the right track. As noted, I would avoid NRCS programs as much as you can. Take the input but not the obligations with their money. That's just me now. That said...I had an 8 year old stand of alfalfa on a piece of land that I aquired 2 years ago. It was in rough shape. We did not spray out the alfalfa. We no-till-drilled 3 different specifically chosen annual cocktails since then...no spraying, no fertilizers. Beautiful crops. We could have baled it but we're committed to the process of preparing our soil for the eventual perrenial pasture & put our money where our mouth was. We brush-hogged it all down 2 of 3 times the other time the snow knocked it down. Our intent was to graze it off but this didn't happen. The last cocktail was cereal rye, winter triticale, winter wheat, collard greens, turnips & hairy vetch. It was amazing with large rye heads up to my arm pits... I'm 6' 2". Not a weed in sight while growing & far less afterwards. CR & trit are alleopathic which did it's job but is why we had to mechanically terminate it fully. Finally, we felt it was ready last fall & again no-till-drilled with 5" furrows an 11-way cocktail of perrenials last fall. This cocktail is symbiotic & also successive. This year we will finally have full measure irrigation for the first time in years. We plan to round bale (cut higher though) 1x to help accelerate the root strength & growth. We think it will finally be ready/strong enough for rotational grazing for cattle & sheep this fall. The baled hay will be used on this land via bale-unroller to winter feed never leaving our land. It took 3 years of input, labor & faith to get to this point but it's looking fantastic. No more annuals on this land while we own it & no more sprays or fertilizer. Less dependency on irrigation. We believe it will also be much better on both years with full water & years with less water & better stewards with what we have. BTW, we live in the high desert 🏜 of SW Colorado.
@jimmyjohnson7041
@jimmyjohnson7041 3 ай бұрын
You say " no fertilizer " so have you experimented using fertilizers ??? Im not relating to experimenting with the " cost " of fertilizers. Im relating to the " production " from using fertilizers ??? Give " everything " a fair chance !
@CCRep123
@CCRep123 3 ай бұрын
@jimmyjohnson7041 of course I've used fertilizers in past experience. Yes, it can increase yield but at what cost? Financially? Ecologically? Nutritionally? Among other things. The more you use it, the more addicted the land & you get to it? It will go through withdrawals if withdrawn... for a time. Maybe...I can do with seed & biologically what sprays & fertilizer do with far less cost & inputs. I.E. After a planting that suffered 30% pigweed etc. the year before, what I did with $1,500 worth of triticale & cereal rye, worked better for weed control last year than what my neighbor across the fence did with $18k of sprays & fertilizer. And... my yield was actually better. I'm not saying that yields will always be better/more but I am saying with less inputs, they can be more profitable on the same land with less yield. Erosion is far less & water retention was better with plants in the ground all the time. In the end, I'm only in a contest with myself & I pay my bill.
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing all your experience! We are gaining a lot of ideas (and some indecision) from what everyone is able to share about how they have done row crop transitions. It seems like no-tilling is the way to go, and it's been the way I've wanted to do it, but we need to figure out a drill solution. Again, thanks for watching and sharing your experience!
@CCRep123
@CCRep123 3 ай бұрын
@TheBeginningFarmer It's all a journey & you have to do what you have to do to get there. BTW I had to drive 120 miles each way to rent the 12' Esch no-till-drill & it cost me $1,000 total for the rental to plant 62 acres with it. It was worth it to me. If all goes well, we won't be drilling this field again... maybe some broadcast to address any elk eaten down patches. As noted I detested the 6' Great Plains no-till-drill. And the 30' had to wide of furrows but worked well for annuals. (10" but can't remember the brand right now. )
@jamesmoos2897
@jamesmoos2897 3 ай бұрын
Very informative! Thanks!
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for taking the time to watch!
@rexpeterson5729
@rexpeterson5729 4 ай бұрын
In Nebraska, most of the Natural Resource Districts have no till drills that can be rented. Check them out. Without drilling, plan to double or triple your seed cost for each pass. That mulch on top of the ground is your best friend in getting seed germinated. Consider broadcast seeding now, and then feeding CRP or grass strip hay on the ground spun out just as thin as you can to work the seed in and supplement the cover.
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 3 ай бұрын
There are few districts in Iowa that I found have no till drills, unfortunately none close to me. And you are correct, I would need a higher seeding rate if I broadcast. We're still weighing all options because I'm a little worried about working the soil to broadcast and disk in the seed. We are so dry I would really need a good rain!
@rexpeterson5729
@rexpeterson5729 3 ай бұрын
​@@TheBeginningFarmer \ In you video, you mentioned that you hoped to get Equip funding, . We have done that on other projects. First, the grant has to be approved before you start. Second, because they want you to succeed, you need to follow their guidelines or grant requirements. Skip either, and they have no obligation to send you the money.
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 3 ай бұрын
@@rexpeterson5729 Thankfully we have had a pretty good experience with our NRCS office so far when it comes to planning for EQIP enrollment. We are talking with them about every step we take so that we are ready for the EQIP projects when the start and not doing things that would keep us from being eligible. They seem very receptive to our ideas and the project and want to help us!
@johnconnaway8298
@johnconnaway8298 4 ай бұрын
Doing a lot of the same things on our place. Have quite a bit in EQUIP programs. I looked at no till drills as well but I'm couldn't find anything reasonable. Ended up buying a Brillion seeder. For the no till, I've just been using my regular JD grain drill and it works pretty good. Ive got about 100 acres of oats i planted over my sudan hay and it is doing really good.
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 3 ай бұрын
That's great to hear! I had considered a regular drill as you mentioned, but that would be a purchase for us as well. We do have access to some nice useable 1940/50's Minneapolis Moline grain drills, but I'm not sure they could get through the bean/corn litter on the ground. You have me thinking though.
@ramiller5675
@ramiller5675 4 ай бұрын
Practical Farmers of Iowa had a video series about small grains on KZfaq years ago, and I think there was something about broadcasting grains like oats, rye, wheat, and a mix called succotash (oats, peas, and barley?) in one of their videos. There are parts of the country where people broadcast wheat or rye after fall harvest and use a vertical tillage tool to incorporate the seed for either a grain harvest or a cover crop, so I would think that disking and broadcasting would work just as well. If you could find a conventional drill it would work to drill into a disked field, it might also work without any tillage depending on how rough the field was. Farmers are experimenting with interseeding cover crops into corn by modifying conventional drills to plant between the rows, using a conventional drill to plant your summer mix into an oat crop should also work. It's also common to broadcast ryegrass and rye into soybean and corn fields as a covercrop, broadcasting your winter mix into your summer mix in early fall should work the same way. After your summer mix winterkills or is grazed the rye will start growing.
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! I do remember those PFI videos about small grains. Generally we broadcast our oats and alfalfa and disk it in, but with this ground I was really hoping to stay away from that. I do like your idea about using a conventional drill into the oat/pea stubble. That might night be a bad idea.
@marvinbaier3627
@marvinbaier3627 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. I’m doing the same thing too. I started in fall 2021 on corn ground. I’ve been watching a lot of KZfaq videos, and Greg Judy is my to go person on most videos. Also, Russ Wilson is really good too. I wouldn’t disc or till anything. It is one of the worse things you can do. I’ve been reading books on Dale Strickler and read of all Greg Judy books. The first year I planted 7 of 20 acres of hairy vetch and cereal rye with an old Farmall steel wheel drill. The seed was just sitting on the ground since it is regular grill. It worked great for cereal rye but ok with hairy vetch. If I gone back again, I would have frost seed clovers February/March 2022. I was planning to plant the rest with cover crops in the spring along with perennials pasture seed too. By end of April of 2022, I needed neck surgery so it got delayed until fall 2022. Then, fall 2022 I no tilled my rest of my 13 of 20 acres future pasture with crimson clover, triticale, hairy vetch, red clover, buckwheat, oats, and perennials pastures seeds. It grew some in the fall because we had lack of rain. Then, in the spring 2023 the pasture grew some more from the snow melt besides the oats and buckwheat I was hoping the pasture would have taken off but a drought stuck so the pasture was very short until we got rains in August and September. The 7 acres that was cereal rye and hairy vetch was very thick so I knocked it down in August 2022 with the no till drill and planted oats, buckwheat , red clover, winter peas, crimson clover. The cereal rye and hairy vetch took over since it reseeded itself. By December 2022, the cereal and hairy vetch was a foot tall. We didn’t have much snow until Christmas week. Then, the January and February the snow melted and the deer came in and mowed it off. By spring came, the 7 acres looked like a golf course green because it was so short. The cereal rye and hairy vetch exploded when it warmed up in the spring 2023. I was hoping to have my fence done but with the drought it was hard to put fence in the ground. It felt like I was pounding post in concrete. Then, I got part of the fence done so I put my animals in there by fall 2023 and fed hay in there all winter. I have so much hay in about 1-2 of the 7 acres. It probably won’t grow much pasture but in the following years it will be unbelievable. The 5 of the 7 acres the cereal rye was dry but the red clover was awesome. The hairy vetch reseeded itself again when we got the rains in August so it was growing. By December 2023, the cereal rye is growing from more rains in December and warmer than usual weather. Now fast forward until now, the cereal rye, clovers, and hairy vetch is coming back. I’m planning to plant 4-5 acres of native perennials pasture in the January/February of 2025. I’m going to plant a summer cover crop this summer and graze it off hard before planting the native perennials. I follow Greg Judy method of MOB grazing. I’m pretty new at this but I’ve learned a lot too. I started in summer 2020 with 2-3 acres MOB grazing in my yard.
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience! It gives me a lot to think about and consider. My ideal world would be to no till drill everything in and only till where we need to repair erosion, but we need to find that no-till drill :) We too are followers of Greg Judy and appreciate his approach for sure. I'll have to check into Russ Wilson.
@marvinbaier3627
@marvinbaier3627 3 ай бұрын
@@TheBeginningFarmer I’m part of pheasant forever and they have a no till I’m using when needed. As long as I’m part of the club in my county, I can use it. I don’t abuse the drill. Sometimes thinking outside the box helps. I only knew about it because I was talking to people about renting a no till drill and it led me there.
@marvinbaier3627
@marvinbaier3627 3 ай бұрын
⁠@@TheBeginningFarmer kzfaq.infoXVwJ2NFSpng?si=PmKREV6STkbYfUTd Video of my drill. kzfaq.infosTVuY_7FRIY?si=_wcusZOGj7KSlv4L How it looked 2021.
@jimmyjohnson7041
@jimmyjohnson7041 3 ай бұрын
Seeding...... why not buy yourself a IH endgate seeder ? They cost around 200 dollars. and the wagon another two hundred dollars. I see them all the time at sales. Throw the seed in and drive ! Then... cultipack it or double harrow it. Finished ! Another option... talk to a local coop....ask them to calibrate the spreader down to 10 wide spreads ? This way the grass "seed" flies far enough to cover the area ( 10 foot ) Might have to buy / add some fertilizer as a filler but its a good idea to fertilize new grass seeding anyway ! The coop mix the seed in with the fertilizer and dump it in the spreader. I use this method all the time.. Its quick using a truck !
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! That’s basically what we’ll be doing first. Putting down our seed with a 3pt broadcast seeder and the disking it in and cultipacking it. Hopefully we’ll be able to no-till drill in our next cover crops. The plans will probably change though 🤣
@CMDSR
@CMDSR 4 ай бұрын
Speaking of soil management, what did you decide to do about the erosion in the woods on the back of your place.
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 3 ай бұрын
Great question! I plan on doing an update on that soon hopefully. It is going to be a longer range project though because of the challenges I’d say. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
@HergenriderCattle
@HergenriderCattle 4 ай бұрын
Check with you local NRCS or FSA office, they usually have no-till drills that they rent.
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 4 ай бұрын
Unfortunately ours does not. But, we are working closely with the NRCS on as much as we can. They are helping with some of our decision making and are a good help.
@CCRep123
@CCRep123 4 ай бұрын
Not much to say about NRCS...it took years 2 get them to do an onsite visit before they would approve anything even with regularly bugging them. (Finally came 3 weeks ago) We had applications in trying to get help with water, perrenials & fencing. They ONLY help with cross fencing which we didn't want. They won't help with perimeter fencing. They will dictate what perrenial seed... not! They were only interested in helping me convert my 4 siderolls to pivots. Suggested 2 to reduce coverage loss in the corners. They will not pay for corner guns. Must rip out previous infrastructure on your own & by a generator etc. There is no way, even with them contributing upto 30% that I could justify $250k on 62 acres. I'm done messing with them. Next the local affiliated conservation board did have a 6' Great Plains no-till We rented it once, I didn't like it all & it was poorly maintained. You were constantly tinkering with it...we got maybe 2/3 done & returned it. We then paid somone with a 30' no-till-drill with 10" furrows for annuals for the next planting. On the 3rd time around, I was able to rent a 12' Esch with 5' furrows...$15/acre & really pulled with our 100hp CIH tractor. This is the best! We planted our 11 way cocktail of perrenials last fall. Fingers 🤞
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 4 ай бұрын
@@CCRep123 From people that I have talked to the experience with the NRCS varies from office to office. In our case they were out at our farm right away and we talked for nearly two hours about our plans and goals. There are of course some restrictions that come along with things, but so far we haven't reached any barriers yet. We also have had them out to ask questions about all the invasive shrubs we have in our woods and erosion. They were prompt and helpful with that as well. All of that is to say that you're not the first person that I've heard of that has had that experience, but thankfully ours has been good so far ... I do wish we could find a good place to rent a drill though!
@CCRep123
@CCRep123 4 ай бұрын
@@TheBeginningFarmer I'm sincerely happy for your experience with them. Bottom line for me is by the time they came I had done & paid for everything I wanted help with & are moving forward. I have no obligation to them going forward which is a nice feeling. Best of luck to you! 👍 👌
@terrymeinders9825
@terrymeinders9825 4 ай бұрын
I'm certainly no expert, but that all sound like a whole lot of work and expense. I'd steer towards a more simple approach, something like farmer Pete describes in this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJmqfK9zxM-nfqs.html
@TheBeginningFarmer
@TheBeginningFarmer 4 ай бұрын
I have watched that video a couple of times. We obviously have similar end goals, but different methods and our farms are at different stages (I believe he was doing 5-10 acres at a time and we are shooting for 50 acres in one shot). One other consideration we have is putting livestock on it right away and using them to help build the soil ... that's where the cover crops come in, because they will allow us graze right away. In my ideal world I would just roll out hay and let the seed bank come back to life over a few years ... but, we don't have enough other pasture to do that. Finally, hopefully with the no-till drill it will get easier. Time will tell though, and I'm not 100% sure I'm making the right choice ;)
@CCRep123
@CCRep123 4 ай бұрын
Many say that... it takes time, patience, forethought & effort. But what my neighbors did with sprays & fertilizers we did with specific actual cocktails no-till-drilled in to an 8 year old stand of alfalfa & then mechanically terminated. Annuals are relatively inexpensive especially compared to sprays & fertilizer. It did cost time & effort though.
@javinoda
@javinoda 4 ай бұрын
You can divide the land and plant perennials so you don’t spend more to increase ph you can apply lime and leave disk it so it will incorporate to the soil and wait for about 30 days to act.
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