The US Supreme Court has already ruled that donations to Scientology are NOT tax deductible, why does the IRS let this continue?

Contact your state representatives to remove their Tax Exempt status now! Victims of Scientology should join together and file a Class Action lawsuit against the "church".

NUMBER ONE PROBLEM OF THE WHOLE DAMN THING. "Scientology NEVER get's investigated for it or prosecuted." THAT. IS THE SHADIEST PART OF THE WHOLE SITUATION. They should have been investigated or shut down forever ago. Yet here we are, fighting to get people to leave this place.

That door bell sound drive me to look at my door every time.

I could listen to Tony and John all day 💚

A fascinating and disturbing look at Scientology by two authors who have written about this cult in great depth.

These statistics from The Netherlands might make you smile: Estimated Scientology-members *100-200* Since 2015 no tax exempt Since 2016 Amsterdam (failing)Org. turned into bookstore and 12 appartments New 'office' next to a paper-recycle center in Amsterdam (Google-maps) So very glamorous! Also not referred to as 'religion' by the High Courts, but as a Commercial Enterprise (www.overheid.nl) This is how cheap we Dutchies are, we do not pay for our beliefs. But we are practical.

Tony and John are two of the most likable journalists anywhere, and the work they do is as important as it is excellent.

The most elaborate pyramid scheme to date that is still in process.

A guy i was in The Navy with joined Scientology while he was in then when he got discharged he joined the Sea Org and no one has heard from him since.

As a psychologist, I feel it's VASTLY understated how Hubbard's inability to raise his own daughter plays entirely into his view on children

Start taxing churches and so much of this nonsense goes away. After all the damage they have done, why everyone has to pay their way is beyond me.

Wonderful that some intelligent people are revealing the truth. This video rocks!

If anyone is interested, there's a German film on here called 'Until nothing remains' which is a dramatised version of stories from various ex-scientologists-worth a watch if you're interested in this subject

Destroying electronic devices and computers and phones and stealing inheritance and murdering witnesses is inappropriate.

hopefully it will shrink to the point that only David Miscarriage and Tom Screwloose are left and they can both with the spirit of L Ron Blubber go to the same electro-magnetic mountain that Xenu is at. LOving John Sweeney here btw.

I did not know Charles Manson was a scientologist, but it makes sense.

It has unwavering government protection for some reason

This was an absolute excellent seminar presentation on Scientology that every current and new member should listen to and really decide if they still want to be member of this so called religion.

I could listen to these guys all day. Fascinating , but to hear Tony talk about an d explain the OT4 level Omg 😮 that the hell is this cult talking about

wow. One of a kind evening, thankyou for presenting this talk. Thankyou journalists for even taking all your time to even get into this subject!

Thank you, again.

Tony is amazing the way he explains it

That gentleman who chose his wife over CoS, he's a good man. That's what anyone should do when asked to choose an organization over a loved one.

A matter of time before ex-members outgrow the active members....and then the table turns...mass group funded lawsuits the other way round...and that might prove interesting.

There are alleged SA's towards both adults and children from that supposed "Church"

Tony Ortega is an amazing speaker about Scientology, he knows his shit.

58:18 John's prediction of the future of Scientology sounds right. and particularly he says it is a "...fantastically rich confidence trick....." and it just won't be able to hold together. Great prediction.

I don't get why they give the money if they want to get out. All they do is refuse to give them the money, surely they will throw you out?

I don"t know if it still is. It was banned in Germany; no militaristic totalitarian organizations.

Thank you.

great interview . Thank you for exposing it .

Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 1 Corinthians 13:6

Someone get the door!

as bad as scientology is, it is only possible because the human mind is wired in a certain way. a determined business corporation can exploit this human weakness for monetary ends. a sane society goal is to expose these charlatans for what they are and prevent them from prospering rather than tolerating them as crackpots with free reign to harm the vulnerable.

The ex-members should sue the church of Scientology (I use “church” loosely here) for misrepresenting their beliefs/intentions.

I love getting scientology ads while watching anti scientology stuff

The Mercurial Midget Miscavidge is even smaller than Tom Cruise!

Where is the RICO case against scientology? I just went down the RICO checklist and scientology scored pretty damn high!

1:10:08 funny comment, ".....it's a classic example of Scientology tweaking a minor victory into a colossal universal global success......" John Sweeney's great humor on Scientology's way with history reframing events for it's members' benefit.

Most brilliant

Well said and awesome facts!

I adore Neil Gaiman. I never knew he was a Scientologist. ☹️. I hope that one day, his family will wake up and leave the organization.

John Sweeney is an absolute hero guys. seriously the best journalist i have ever seen!!!!

These other large churches, show their financial reports on their websites. They show where their money goes; and shows they are non profit. That is one big difference -- also they do not have prisons on property; and nor hold people against their will. There's many things that are big differences. I know any church has to have monies coming in or they cannot keep the doors open. But there is a way to handle all of this; and these churches should not dictate how much families has to give...Scientology makes their people BUY these classes, so they are made to give so much money.. There is no choices here --

Space coke,lol. I really like this guy. He just speaks well. Good talk...informative

Love This! Best!!💜

This chat is good by the way! These lads are politically funny and well informed!! 📣❤📣❤

The most watched documentary on HBO and won a Grammy I think, but not even up for a Oscar I wonder why.

Question to put to those looking for people wishing to address the matter of child labour, contracts, etc. Is a contract with a minor in any way legally binding? I thought people had to be a certain age to even be considered legally able to sign a contract. Therefore, Sea Org contracts w/ minors should ALL be counted as null and void and the child slavery charges could progress from there.There's also the matter of informed consent with all of these things that needs to be taken into consideration.

Why would the CIA investigate itself!?

Scamology

Scientology and the leaders that continue to promote it have the love of power rather than the power of love. And that is the difference between light and darkness. And what it really boils down to is do you believe in God or don't you? Do you believe Jesus is who he said he's is? That's not to say there haven't been false religions created in His name that He warned us about. He also warned about the traditions and doctrines of men that make the word of God of no effect.

Where is the FBI

Hubbard had awful rotted teeth. Hardly an advanced being....

There is no such thing as a million or billions of years man has only been on the earth 6000 years .

I wish they had put a booster seat on Tom's chair...

What a lovely thing to watch! 😁🤣

No, Tommy! No!

what's up with the doorbell?

This John bloke loves himself a bit too much I think.

Tony bravo, now let's talk about the abuse to children by the 'church' members and executives, current and ex. Also what happened to Shelly Miscaviages mum, how did she really pass away?

John Sweeney made some good points, but I was a little surprised by the coarse language and how he told the guy in the middle to shut up. For a journalist, and a good one at that, I was a little surprised at his brashness.

Wow! Why didn't you include John's Sweeney's name and Tony Ortega's in your title?

funny that there was a ad for $cientology before this video.

what's with the doorbell? I though it was mine and after seeing no one at my door I realized it was this video....

I love it, Tom Cruise is an empty chair, much like his brain!!

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Why does it always, I mean why is the memory or mems always that the person was doing evil things?!!! That’s the weird thing. I always hear them say they were doing evil shit in their memories. Never that they were doing anything good millions of years ago.

Oh goodness! Could you imagine Ms. Savage of we DID allow beheadings in the US? The hole would be filled with partial portions of people instead of being an enslavement camp!

Also real counseling is always anonymous

1:03:05 The "Ideal Orgs" current poshing up their dozens and dozens of "small and failing" orgs (Ideal Orgs are their "churches") I firsthand having seen the orgs statistics starting in 1977 when I was a Sea Org staff at Clearwater, up through 1989 when the management middle echelon had transfered to the Los Angeles Hollywood Guarantee Building middle management operation, I witnessed the "small and failing" org feeder system successful arrangement. It matters not how many people are aboard, but rather the amounts of money they donate to keep their multi echelon Hubbard system of organizations afloat. "Small and failing" has been there since 1977 when I was the part-time Org Flag Officer, where anyone at the Flag Management level does an hour a day duty paperwork attending to one or several "small and failing" Scientology organizations. In the 1977-1983 period I dutifully did my daily "OFO" (Org Flag Officer) duties, and I daily saw the plight of the then majority of the Scientology fake "churches" and they have since then ALWAYS been "small and failing" as dismal bad as they were then, and as dismal bad false reported for their supposed higher participation. The actual participation was equally dismal then, despite the ex members pronouncements. I recall even with Flag Service Org's massive over 100,000 central files files numbers (I was on a project with Ralph Hilton in Jan 1976 where Ralph and I split the review of ALL of Flag's Central Files Folders, we two looked into EVERY SINGLE one of Flag's client's "CF-Central Files" folders, and saw how much or how little was the participation of EVERY single one of the top clients of Scientology as of that date, January 1976), and the participation for even that gross high total of over 100,000 folders was actually dismally far far less. The numbers of Scientologists if honestly broken down by actual participation of what exact services, for which exact times in those client/participants' lives, would confirm what I've speculated, which is Hubbard perfected a "feeder system" but that the numbers of participants have ALWAYS been almost irrelevant. The proof of my speculation is borne out by Scientology still pulling in sufficient funding from its smaller number of dupes. Smaller numbers of dupes in their fold, but adequate money being grifted off those dupes. That's relevant to Scientology's continuing. Adequate numbers of dupes grifted, to keep the ludicrous Scientology operation of existing dupes happy and going. We need fresh defectors from the "upper middle management" and the "top management" ranks to alert us Scientology observers to any real dent in this financial model that appears to work viably keeping the top levels of Scientology (while slightly lower in staff numbers) still adequately functioning. By the poshness of their buildings, while smaller in members overall, the fact that they have a stable pool of longer range wealthier (and or wealthy enough) dupes aboard their hierarchy of these "small and failing" but posher "Ideal Orgs" (fake churches), their buildings show they have money to keep up their show, allowing some new suckers born every day to still find this hopeful fake church (which enough dupes don't learn quickly enough or they care NOT to learn that they will NOT become the super soul flying superpeople that Scientology/Hubbard falsely but hopefully claims they will become).

Is anyone else getting scientology ads before these videos? Talk about irony.

Right, that one got through. Another post tomorrow.

The guy on the right is annoying. He keeps interrupting and seems a bit drunk.

OT: When will the Church of England become the Church in England?

It would be nice to hear a modicum of regret from these former members...they need something akin to de narzification

yes i do want to join you for a few drinks. am i too late? aw nuts. I am

KZfaq played a Scientology ad to open this; ironic, no?

It seems historically that most religious traditions emerge from the spiritual experiences of their founders (whether viewed as 'real' or 'psychogenic') they then all too frequently become socially manipulative tools of unprincipled powerphyliacs who utilise them for personal gain. Scientology skipped the first step in this process becoming at it's outset a power/money accruing machine, as was Hubbard's stated intent during a lunch conversation with and subsequently reported by his interlocutor, Robert Heinlein . Hubbard and Heinlein had on numerous occasions discussed the ease with which peoples' beliefs can be manipulated, Hielein favoring the idea that educated people are not as manipulable as Hubbard insisted. A wager was proposed, if Hubbard could entice people into believing in a new and bogus religion , Heinlein would concede the point. Scientology was born. The rest is history.

someones at the door..

Thank you for fighting the good fight! God bless and protect you all!! In Jesus’ name!!

11:21 - I appreciate what Ortega has done regarding Scientology , but he needs to tone down the hyperbole. To equate these Sea Org people & their work for 20 cents an hour to slavery is RIDICULOUS.. Slaves don't get paid, whether its 20 cents or 20 dollars an hour. They are owned by another human being.

1:20:58 is the last question, and John Sweeney's answer is so important and informative. A copper Sweeney knew, 1:21:30 Sweeney says the copper said that the really good com men believe in the con. The ex member's stories of Hubbard's whole end of life final months provide ample convincing evidence of Hubbard's belief in his own Hubbard Scientology counseling/exorcism practices. The "Going Clear..." HBO documentary has Sarge Steven Pfauth telling of Hubbard's final thoughts, and that confirms Sweeney's insights.

Yeah its a cult period

Scientology is like the Fairy Tale = The Emperors New Clothes!

Who is Ortega's mentor mentioned at 38:18 ? Jon Atack?

The guy in the center sounds a lot like Benedict Cumberbatch

Actually, not all muslims are entirely honest about the content of their religion. Investigate Tequia. (taquia?)

Does anyone have the links for the videos not shown, especially Tommy's?

why did we not see the clips. being as they are being referenced?

One question.........WHERE is the SCIENCE in Ziontology?

Thank God my grandparents saw the 'light' years ago. The minute my grandma saw them coming down the street or approaching the front door she would shut the door. Too bad more people didn't decide to do the same thing. She knew they were a bunch of rubbish the minute they opened up their mouth As a child I can remember back in the '70's when LRH's 'disciples' used to go around door-to-door selling, their book "Dianetics" throughout residential neighborhood's. The minute grandma saw them coming down the street or approaching the front door she'd shut the door. Too bad more people didn't decide to do the same thing.

Scientology,seems to be Mankind's greatest subject ever!?

You know that the clips you referred to did not play?

1:06:33 what??? 1:08:10 what???

Equilibrium (movie)

1:24:08 best for last.

the operative word is Totalitarian .

A ponzi scheme.