The Rise and Destruction of Tangut Western Xia - Empire Building Masterclass for a Mediocre state

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The Tanguts started out as a small insignificant tribe. Even thought they're not particularly famous for anything, they were able to build a medium sized empire. Their rise is a survival masterclass for a mediocre state to survive in the chaotic medieval China.
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0:00 Introduction
2:03 Who Were the Tanguts?
4:12 Early History of the Tanguts
5:37 Tuoba Clan's Rise in China
7:34 Tanguts Prepares for Independence
8:39 Building Western Xia
11:24 The Fall of Western Xia
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@CoolHistoryBros
@CoolHistoryBros 2 жыл бұрын
There is something admirable about the Tanguts' way of being able to get away with backstabbing so many of its rivals, yet surviving for so long. You're you're mid-tier, you've just got to do everything to survive.
@ElBandito
@ElBandito 2 жыл бұрын
Twas lucky for them that northern and southern China were divided by two equal powers who were constantly at each other's throat... Until the Mongols came, for they were the exception.
@vitorpereira9515
@vitorpereira9515 2 жыл бұрын
CJ when the Han dynasty fought the Xiongnu they adapted the army to fight like the nomads, eventually the Xiongnu were defeated. Why was the Song dynasty not able to respond properly to the Mongols? I understand that in the song dynasty the focus was not on the army but scholars should certainly have access to documents from the Han and Tang era. Why didn't they use it to better fight the Mongols?
@ElBandito
@ElBandito 2 жыл бұрын
@@vitorpereira9515 Han Dynasty had to import horses from the west, even fighting a Greco-Bactrian kingdom just to have enough mounts, despite owning grass rich northern China. Song Dynasty didn't even have northern China, let alone a direct route to the west. Southern China is very unsuitable for large scale breeding of horses. Also, their main fortifications held until the Mongols brought in counterweight Trebuchets.
@CoolHistoryBros
@CoolHistoryBros 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is threefold. First, their access to good horse and the fertile northern pastures is blocked off. This time, not just by the porous Xiongnu empire, it's by two well organised states, Khitan Liao and Tangut's Xi Xia. Later on, during the time of the Jurchen Jin dynasty, the Song were further pushed south. The second problem is that Song had become a very rich country and it is actually using a lot of sanctions as hammer against its rivals. If you look at the negotiated terms of the treaty between Liao & XiXia with Song, their access to the market is always a big issue. Lastly, there was a culture war between Song & its northern neighbours and Song banned the wearing of non-Chinese nomad (Hu) clothing. It is not known if it's extended to military gear & clothing, but it is possible.
@vitorpereira9515
@vitorpereira9515 2 жыл бұрын
@@CoolHistoryBros After all what you told me CJ, it's incredible that the Song managed to resist the Mongols for so long. But even so, the Song fought against the Mongols CJ. They resisted more than 40 years and even managed to kill Möngke Khan, which caused a civil war that fragmented the Mongol empire. In my view, Kublai 's conquest of Song dynasty was so costly for the Mongols that the victory was Pyrrhical. What do you think CJ?
@vitorpereira9515
@vitorpereira9515 2 жыл бұрын
The Tanguts were the first and the last enemy Genghis Khan faced in his life and boy what the Mongols did to the Tanguts is only compared to the destruction of Carthage.
@dialaskisel5929
@dialaskisel5929 2 жыл бұрын
As a world-renowned mediocre myself, I appreciate this video and its advice. May we all strive for the dizzying heights of mediocrity!
@CoolHistoryBros
@CoolHistoryBros 2 жыл бұрын
"Mid" SUPREMACY!
@wisdomleader85
@wisdomleader85 2 жыл бұрын
I absolve you, I absolve you all.
@125discipline2
@125discipline2 2 жыл бұрын
'MEDIUM IS PREMIUM' -famous weeb saying about boob size, circa 21st century CE
@ajithsidhu7183
@ajithsidhu7183 2 жыл бұрын
@@CoolHistoryBros mind doing on what young men can learn from the 3 kingdoms
@nachoviteriletamendia3887
@nachoviteriletamendia3887 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite Chinese "alien" dynasties. They were really unique with their cultural mix of Chinese, Tibetan and Central Asia elements.
@changchadchanamdong2668
@changchadchanamdong2668 2 жыл бұрын
Lol no central asian elements. You confused it
@nachoviteriletamendia3887
@nachoviteriletamendia3887 2 жыл бұрын
@@changchadchanamdong2668 Sorry but nope. They included renmants from the Sogdians who fled from the Muslim expansion in the West. So as also they absorbed the state of Guiyijun a Chinese state heit from the Tang dynasty heavily influenced by the Budhist culture from Khotan. Besides mantained close commercial and cultural ties with the cities of Central Asia, under Qarakhanid and later Kara Khitai control.
@mimorisenpai8540
@mimorisenpai8540 Жыл бұрын
@@changchadchanamdong2668 they include sogdians and old Uyghur
@user-pg6uf1ce2h
@user-pg6uf1ce2h Жыл бұрын
As a Chinese it feels super funny to read western xia letter, very familiar but can't recognize at all. I wish they still exist to teach us their language
@arcomegis9999
@arcomegis9999 2 жыл бұрын
Tanguts switching alliances constantly just solidify the proof that they carry the typical merchant/salesman/businessmen mindset.
@bradypus55
@bradypus55 2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe they had the one exceptional chance to be spared from Genghis' wrath with that last envoy and that one general had to keep it real. smh
@oldrabbit8290
@oldrabbit8290 Жыл бұрын
similar to the story of Khwarezmia: after one Khwarezmian governor killed a large Mongol caravan for its wealth, Genghis sent an envoy to demand that the governor to be handed over, but the Khwarezmia's Shah decided to be cocky and kill that envoy, which is a big "You die now" for Genghis.. One of the worst bloodbath in human history happened because a Shah felt the need to piss off the Mongol to compensate his small private part..
@user-cg2tw8pw7j
@user-cg2tw8pw7j 10 ай бұрын
​@@oldrabbit8290You mean the Mongols, that's why the Mongols became extinct
@HighPriestFuneral
@HighPriestFuneral 2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, The State of Zheng during the second half of the Chunqiu tried to do the exact same thing. They saw themselves as sandwiched between Jin and Chu and always sought to play one off the other. This... didn't really go well. They were seen as weak, vacillating, and their music was even insulted as lacking scruples. They were attacked by Jin and supported by Chu. Later they were attacked by Chu and supported by Jin. They thought if they fought back with all their might, they would be seen as too powerful and a risk to keep around. It was only when they had a real visionary at the helm, Zichan who changed his state's broken policies, reformed the law and society, making Zheng into a cultural force in his time... then he died and it went all downhill from there.
@nostalgicmodernist1399
@nostalgicmodernist1399 Жыл бұрын
Now I want to hear their music.
@tangren3370
@tangren3370 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual CJ! However, there one thing you said that was a bit outdated: the claim you made that most sources on the Tanguts are from neighbouring states. Especially last 20 or so years this is no longer the case and the Tangutologists you mentioned have now largely gotten a good grip on the Tangut/Minyak language and are now able to read many if not most Tangut language documents, state/judicial records, religious texts etc. So now Tangutologists know a great amount more on the Tanguts' own perspective of their history! Through these developements the knowledge of Tangut Kingdom has grown a great deal in last decades and this ancient state is quite less mysterious than it used to be (fortunately). If you want to learn more, there are some guest lectures at Yale given by Kirill Solonin (one of world's leading Tangutologists) that can be found on a KZfaq channel that I can link in a subcomment if you want... Stay cool my bro 😉
@nostalgicmodernist1399
@nostalgicmodernist1399 Жыл бұрын
Yes please, Tang Ren. -- A Mei guo ren.
@nostalgicmodernist1399
@nostalgicmodernist1399 Жыл бұрын
Found the lectures! Thanks for the tip, Tang Ren!
@Ivan-td7kb
@Ivan-td7kb 2 жыл бұрын
The Tangut script is a beauty, it’s a pity we never get the chance to see them develop into a full fledged civilization
@kleuafflatus
@kleuafflatus 2 жыл бұрын
Beauty? Yes. Practical? No lol Even the numbers are unnecessarily complicated compared to any logographic or syllabic language.
@Ivan-td7kb
@Ivan-td7kb 2 жыл бұрын
@@kleuafflatus if we measure everything by practicality then spoon and fork would be better than chopsticks, and Latin alphabets would be better than Chinese characters.
@Liethen
@Liethen 2 жыл бұрын
​@@kleuafflatus You've got me curious. How do Tangut numbers work?
@kleuafflatus
@kleuafflatus 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ivan-td7kb I know, I'm all for preservation of languages, in fact as a hong konger (native Chinese user) and someone who studied linguistics, I felt like I dug up a treasure chest when I first read about the script, but I can't help but know that the language probably won't survive even without the political rivalries in the region. The fact is, it's all down to scholars and language nerds like me who would even care to look at it, and even less would learn it.
@kleuafflatus
@kleuafflatus 2 жыл бұрын
@@Liethen here's a link on wikipedia. Or you can search Tangut script and this will show in the results. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Bushell%27s_1896_decipherment_of_Tangut_characters.jpg/300px-Bushell%27s_1896_decipherment_of_Tangut_characters.jpg From the left, modern numbers, Tangut, and Chinese
@tyranitararmaldo
@tyranitararmaldo 2 жыл бұрын
This was an interesting listen :D As an Age of Empires player, I would love to see this civilisation added to the game. I can never say no to more camel-focused civs...
@kweassa6204
@kweassa6204 2 жыл бұрын
The manga "Shut Hell" is a piece that's based on the period. Pretty good reading, although the latter half went a bid bland imo.
@125discipline2
@125discipline2 2 жыл бұрын
ah fellow shut hell enjoyers.. yeah it's a shame that the ending was weak..
@blugaledoh2669
@blugaledoh2669 2 жыл бұрын
@@125discipline2 I enjoy it too.
@MB-tj7xh
@MB-tj7xh Жыл бұрын
altho it is hella biased against the mongols
@CoffeeSuccubus
@CoffeeSuccubus 2 жыл бұрын
Being a country in the years of Genghis and Ögedei Khan: "welp, my kingdom and culture had a good life."
@yj9032
@yj9032 10 ай бұрын
Your channel is so underrated
@hairyballs089
@hairyballs089 Жыл бұрын
Hey just leaving comment to say how cool it is to have these videos of Chinese history done by a Chinese person in English! As a monolingual English speaker and history lover, I often only get the Anglo perspective of things. The only thing American kids learn about China in public schooling is its relationship with the United States during the Cold War, which I think does really bad things for how China is viewed in America.
@rvn856
@rvn856 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! I have always been curious about Western Xia since I read about Chinese history but information is scarce. Your video cleared up many of the questions I had!
@Notsosmartguy453
@Notsosmartguy453 2 жыл бұрын
Just when we needed you most, you deliver
@deanzaZZR
@deanzaZZR 2 жыл бұрын
That's a tough neighborhood to prosper (or create an empire) surrounded by Tibetans, Mongols, Jurchen and Han Chinese. I'm surprised trade was not mentioned as they seem to be smack dab on the silk road.
@tc2334
@tc2334 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video about a little explored part of Chinese history! I notice that you’re inching closer and closer to my favorite dynasty, Yuan. Can’t wait for that video!
@Spartan265
@Spartan265 2 жыл бұрын
Man do I love this channel. Not only do I learn new things about events, places, and people I didn't know about, I also learn completely new things about stuff I am somewhat familiar with. Always loved history regardless of where the history is from. But in the West it is much more difficult to find good information about Eastern events and when you do it's often filled with minor errors or sometimes just flat out totally wrong information.
@thanoosudom6980
@thanoosudom6980 2 жыл бұрын
Asa Gambu: "Genghis Khan is incapable of subjugating others!" Ala ad-Din Muhammad II "Oh~? Guys... In coming!" Emperor Xingsheng, Xuanzong, Aizong, Mo, and Kuchlug : "Welcome to the Club!"
@CARL_093
@CARL_093 2 жыл бұрын
i love the intro bro good job
@navinkumarpk86
@navinkumarpk86 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you @coolhistorybros for making this video on the mysterious Tangut civilisation. Not much information is available on them though they were very intriguing alongside the Jurchens, Tibetans and Liao Khitans in the period from 600 AD to 1200 AD when the Mongols appeared. Perhaps you could do a video on how the Chinese interacted and wrote about them looking at the archaeology/paintings/historical records and fashion. Next video could be on the Tarim Basin cities and their unusual cultures which were a mix of Chinese, Tibetan, Indian, Sogdian and Uighur cultures.
@IndraKatiK
@IndraKatiK 2 жыл бұрын
Let me guess... They're bad at "receiving mongol envoys and keep them alive" department
@kasvinimuniandy4178
@kasvinimuniandy4178 2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. Been watching since the early days...
@vladimirprostran1896
@vladimirprostran1896 Жыл бұрын
This is awesome storytelling!
@christopherthrawn1333
@christopherthrawn1333 Жыл бұрын
Excellent work here Sir
@tangkimkei8623
@tangkimkei8623 2 жыл бұрын
Your way of presenting history is so funny n interesting. I chuckled all d way tru. Laughing n learning. How nice! 😂
@vpapako
@vpapako 10 ай бұрын
I love your channel. Are you going to do the Yuan dynasty and continue with Ming and Qing?
@johnoneill5661
@johnoneill5661 2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos 👍 helps give me little insights into Chinese history of which you get nothing growing up in the west, besides gives me more places to visit when I go back again on holiday👍👍👍
@commentnahipadhaikar2339
@commentnahipadhaikar2339 2 жыл бұрын
Hey CJ, I am watching your videos from a very long time. I was curious about Chinese culture and history, they were rarely any material available to me, Then your videos, specially with this quality and format were like boons. They really like these. Just one thing, I would like you to also make videos on social and cultural life of normal folks also. Please also make videos on culture of China and other parts of Asia, because history is not only the biographies of rulers and warriors in my opinion 😅.
@CoolHistoryBros
@CoolHistoryBros 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I am planning to do a summary series on the Classic novel Water Margin. It has a lot of depictions of the everyday life of Chinese people during the Song dynasty. So it's something you can look forward to.
@commentnahipadhaikar2339
@commentnahipadhaikar2339 2 жыл бұрын
@@CoolHistoryBros Oh thanks! I am looking forward
@timothylu1
@timothylu1 2 жыл бұрын
that's a great point! history is just as much as the common person as the famous one
@barbthegreat586
@barbthegreat586 2 жыл бұрын
"Even thought they're not particularly famous for anything, ..." Ouch! Poor Tanguts.
@roloduarte3100
@roloduarte3100 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful channel.
@namkaengpancharat9031
@namkaengpancharat9031 2 жыл бұрын
I heard a name "Xi Xia" for a very long time from Chinese tv-series. It could be the one I watched when I was a kid. I just started to watch Chinese tv-series a few months ago once again. It's really nice to know the story of Tangut along the way of ancient china in certain period of time. I think. There's a lot to read and study when it come to Chinese history. Would you be interested to create a new video about Xi Shi - one of 4 beauties of ancient china, in Chunqiu era? I think the story of her I found on Wikipedia, is fictional but base on a little true story at some point. If you have an interesting suggestions to tell about her. I don't know much about Chinese history obviously.
@zephyryves7542
@zephyryves7542 Жыл бұрын
I am a lover of Chinese history. Let me explain what you said to you. "Xi" in Xixia translation means "West". Xia is an ancient country in China and the origin of China today. Because the place where Xixia is located is the place where the Xia Dynasty originated, so the name of their country is "Xia", and because they are in the west of China, they are called Xi xia. "Xi" in "xi shi" also means "West", which means a beautiful woman living in the West.
@chamdotenzin1
@chamdotenzin1 7 ай бұрын
There are oral stories among the Eastern Tibetan Kham and Amdo nomadic tribes of conquering great lands in China and that Tangut Empire was a Tibetan empire stretched into present proper China and Inner Mongolia. Just that we don’t have tradition of written history. Before Buddhism, we were conquering nation just like Mongolia.
@NomicFin
@NomicFin 2 жыл бұрын
They managed pretty well until they made one fatal mistake: they pissed off Genghis Khan (NEVER do that if you want your empire to survive!)
@tonbopro
@tonbopro 2 жыл бұрын
kewl history~for sure
@wazzup223
@wazzup223 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see a Yuan Dyasty series.
@artix548
@artix548 5 ай бұрын
In short, to survive the Mongols, you should probably have a civilization modeled after Liu Bang.
@16252
@16252 4 ай бұрын
interesting, thanks
@irritatedasian
@irritatedasian 2 жыл бұрын
Love your vids CJ! Just a quick note: I noticed at 11:40 you said “2010” when you meant “1210”. Caught me off guard a bit lol!
@CoolHistoryBros
@CoolHistoryBros 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, darn it! LOL!
@jamarmcqueen1177
@jamarmcqueen1177 2 жыл бұрын
good job
@nicholasricardo8443
@nicholasricardo8443 11 ай бұрын
Would love if you could dig up anything about the Guiyi Circuit, seems very interesting how a Han family controlled an area so far away from the Tang capital.
@GappyHilmore
@GappyHilmore 2 жыл бұрын
Can we get a history video on the rise and collapse of the Sima Jin Dynasty?
@usvidragonslayer3091
@usvidragonslayer3091 2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@TheDragonHistorian
@TheDragonHistorian Жыл бұрын
I'm really glad I found your channel. It's quickly becoming one of my favorite places to learn about East Asian history!
@sesquipedalian6278
@sesquipedalian6278 2 жыл бұрын
always passing the Tanguts by as an 'also-ran' while reading the histories of other civilizations. thank you
@CoolHistoryBros
@CoolHistoryBros 2 жыл бұрын
That's because the Mongols very effectively obliterated the Tanguts, as Genghis Khan promised. 😆
@sesquipedalian6278
@sesquipedalian6278 2 жыл бұрын
@@CoolHistoryBros I'm really glad you make content. thanks
@MCorpReview
@MCorpReview 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best video. I always wondered why their last name was Li and thought it was a coincidence with the Tang. Since some of them survived Mongol genocide, couldn't someone do a DNA test on them to check links with the Northern Wei? Would be cool to verify. Conn Igulden's novel claims Genghis was murdered by the Tangut princess he married.
@user-cg2tw8pw7j
@user-cg2tw8pw7j 10 ай бұрын
I think his brothers killed him. They seem to be jealous of their big brother, but people contemporaries of Genghis Khan say he died of illness.
@helengao6093
@helengao6093 Жыл бұрын
heard that the milltary clothing and fashoin between the mongol,jin,liao,and xi xia were quite simalar。
@andrewduncan7801
@andrewduncan7801 2 жыл бұрын
Why are you uploading so in frequently nowadays useful upload once a week now I just randomly
@CoolHistoryBros
@CoolHistoryBros 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, I upload fortnightly nowadays. Each of these videos takes a lot of research to do I need the time maintain the quality.
@andrewduncan7801
@andrewduncan7801 2 жыл бұрын
@@CoolHistoryBros okay
@andrewduncan7801
@andrewduncan7801 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe I can help
@iondu655
@iondu655 9 ай бұрын
Any book recommendations for their Military History?
@gene.dig17
@gene.dig17 Жыл бұрын
I'm trying to remember the Donnie Yen movie where he's a Tangut descendant who is exacting revenge or something like that.
@allasizova5590
@allasizova5590 Жыл бұрын
Great work, thank you for the video. Tangutologist Ksenia Kepping argues (rather reasonably) that the name of the Tangut state should be translated as "The State of White and High", not "The White and High State".
@426mak
@426mak 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if King Mongkut of Siam took inspiration from them when he masterfully survived European Imperialism?
@HighPriestFuneral
@HighPriestFuneral 2 жыл бұрын
Thailand's ability to avoid being colonized is a rare example in history of this strategy working, but admittedly it often fails because the vacillation goes a little too far in one direction, or the state starts to fall apart internally (or both).
@feilox
@feilox Жыл бұрын
I feel like a ton of non-han chinese minorities took the same strategy to the chinese. Then splitting the people across two teams, then the other hoping over to the winning side.
@mimorisenpai8540
@mimorisenpai8540 Жыл бұрын
Nope that just how politic work
@mimorisenpai8540
@mimorisenpai8540 Жыл бұрын
@@HighPriestFuneral and Thailand must ceded larger part of territory to both UK and France and must always participate and support them in every politic event like WW1.
@Celestial_Fiend
@Celestial_Fiend 2 жыл бұрын
Yo, i am a big fan Chinese webnovel and the three classic’s (Journey to the west, Romance of the three kingdoms, Investiture of the gods). These Novels get used a lot as a reference, but the last one “Investiture of the gods” doesn’t have any explanation vid on youtube so i was wondering if you will be able to make one?
@lerneanlion
@lerneanlion 2 жыл бұрын
What is the stupidest thing to do in the 13th century? Mocking the Mongols, obviously. And not just the Minyak, the Shah of Khwarazm and some Kievan Rus' princes also made these stupid mistakes as well. The question is why peoples at the time kept doing this despite the Mongols have proven themselves time and time again that they were capable of bringing the mighty empires down to their knees. Also, I like the fact that the Minyak managed to keep themselves survived this long until a stupid general decided to become one of the stupidest people in the 13th century by mocking the Mongols. He should know better than that.
@nenenindonu
@nenenindonu 2 жыл бұрын
First half of the 13th century to be more accurate, The two Mamluk Sultanates of Egypt and Delhi killed Mongol envoys in the latter half of the same century and didn't suffer any consequences
@fannyalbi9040
@fannyalbi9040 2 жыл бұрын
as if mocking the mighty only happened in 13th century. look at some present day countries 😂
@mimorisenpai8540
@mimorisenpai8540 Жыл бұрын
Because if you submitted to Mongol, mean you must allow their soldiers station in your realm who in turn will Collect and demand tax from you and you as leaders must visit to their capital and bow to their Khan, of course most of Leaders don't want to do this.
@lorefox201
@lorefox201 2 жыл бұрын
*throat singing intensifies in the distance*
@mackycabangon8945
@mackycabangon8945 2 жыл бұрын
Idk why, but I kinda wished the Tanguts survived, even as a small minority, into the modern day. Is it just me who thinks this?
@somerandomguy1055
@somerandomguy1055 2 жыл бұрын
you're not alone. its unfortunate seeing a civilization prematurely come to an end. one can only think of the potential lost
@ANTSEMUT1
@ANTSEMUT1 2 жыл бұрын
Just for their super complicated script, i wish they were still around.
@mimorisenpai8540
@mimorisenpai8540 Жыл бұрын
They actually survive Become Qiang in gansu
@chizhang4369
@chizhang4369 Жыл бұрын
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherpa_people there are some theories that this group of people maybe the descendants of Tanguts, but of course nothing was confirmed
@user-uu2kx2um5d
@user-uu2kx2um5d Жыл бұрын
汉人嘲笑蒙古人4000年然后他们的国家没了😂
@CARL_093
@CARL_093 2 жыл бұрын
Yuan dynasty is exciting so much bro
@krimzonstriker7534
@krimzonstriker7534 2 жыл бұрын
Genghis Khan before the Mongols video? A surprise to be sure but a welcome one :D
@yewsoonfatt
@yewsoonfatt Жыл бұрын
according to Mongolian folk tales. Genghis Khan was killed by the Tangut pricess he captured. she bit Genghis Khan's ball and he was so badly wounded and died days later. in the official history record, Genghis khan fell from his horse and thats causing his death.
@user-cg2tw8pw7j
@user-cg2tw8pw7j 10 ай бұрын
Not to mention contemporary people, Genghis Khan died of disease
@uryen921
@uryen921 2 жыл бұрын
One of my fav dynasties in Chinese history.
@AntiQris
@AntiQris 6 ай бұрын
Is it respectful for me to suggest my Pictish family tree branches parallel with some Tang and Tangut characters? I’ve made several very interesting comparisons to Allemani and earlier Persians of Manis line etc. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I’m very honored to have relations even if ancestors caused troubles. I live to not apologize for them but in respect to context, I live to do best by them with what we know now. If this parallel theory of the 4 kings of Heaven to the Cathar kings of 6-7th century is correct then I am able to show that lineage in terms of their across the sea roots as well as western Indians whom I would then show crossed from west continents to eastern realms and become Tibetan lineages etc. much Love and respect thank you for your great videos. -Ur Kin
@Berkana
@Berkana 2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious about the other "sinoform" scripts. Tangut writing looks Chinese-ish, as does Khitan and Jurchen, but I imagine the text looks like gibberish to a Chinese reader. Could you do an episode covering these other Chinese-like scripts? I think also Chu Nom (old Vietnamese) was another sinoform script. I'd love to learn about these.
@nadogi
@nadogi Жыл бұрын
I've lived in Taiwan, Mainland China and Japan (which also partially uses Chinese characters) for several years, and I'm relatively fluent in traditional Chinese characters. I've also dabbled a bit in the Tangut script (I so far can only write dates and numbers), and yes, the Tangut script is completely unintelligible to people who read and write Chinese and/or Kanji. I've also written a few Tangut words down for Chinese native speakers (just to.confuse them, for laughs), and their typical response is "WTF kind of writing is that????" and "Holy crap, that looks complicated."
@Berkana
@Berkana Жыл бұрын
@@nadogi If I remember correctly, Tangut doesn't have any characters with only a few strokes, unlike Chinese. The typical Tangut character starts at about a dozen strokes. Is this correct?
@nadogi
@nadogi Жыл бұрын
@@Berkana Yep, that's right. Whereas with Chinese characters, you'll come across 1~3 characters like 一、乙 or 了 right next to some 20+ stroke monstrosities like 臺灣、變體、龜 and 欗, Tangut characters, on the other hand, keep it pretty consistent, with basically all characters having about 8~16 strokes. I can't type Tangut, but the numbers are basically: 1 (6 strokes), 2 (9 strokes), 3 (13 strokes), 4 (11 strokes), 5 (10 strokes), etc. That also, *in my opinion*, makes them look much more elegant than Chinese characters, as a block of Tangut text just has that extra consistency and uniform shape.
@anasevi9456
@anasevi9456 2 жыл бұрын
TI would call it failing upwards, but there is far too much scheming in being a medieval Tangut leader. lol That Asa Gambu was so ahead of his time; provoking the only people who could unquestionably kick your @ss to fight, because a war they started isn't going down perfectly is so hot with leaders in my country right now.
@ElBandito
@ElBandito 2 жыл бұрын
Thankfully Khitan and Xi Xia are gone. Can you imagine having to write such complicated characters? :p
@drswag0076
@drswag0076 2 жыл бұрын
i suspect a series on the Mongols will be in the future yes?
@alvinacho8099
@alvinacho8099 Жыл бұрын
Can you do the lanfang Republic?
@helengao6093
@helengao6093 Жыл бұрын
If Asa Gambu did’nt mock the mongol envoy. It might seem like Xi Xia would survive through this bloody era, but no. I found out that when Genghis khan had invaded the jurchen Jin dynasty. The Song dynasty decided to make alliances with the mongols and together they toppled the Jin dynasty in no time. But when Genghis died, the new mongol khan decided to invade the song dynasty. Which means Xi Xia would get invaded and toppled too because if the new khan would be brave enough to fight the Song dynasty then he would have the guts to fight Xi Xia too because Xi Xia is weaker compared to the Jin, Liao, and Song dynasties. But even if Xi Xia survives this new invasion then it would not survive later on in Chinese history, because it could be conquered by other mongol tribes, the Ming dynasty, or even the Manchus so they could establish the Qing dynasty. But it could also be toppled by a rebellion if a really crappy and unknowable political figure becomes the new Xi Xia emperor.
@yapsiauwsoengie6507
@yapsiauwsoengie6507 Жыл бұрын
A video about Xue Rengui please
@timmychang1791
@timmychang1791 8 ай бұрын
Tangut tragic end is comparable to the Carthaginian though under different pretext. The Roman not only annihilated Carthage, but erase their age old arch-nemesis. The destruction of Carthage was so utterly complete that from an observer point of view it’s either totally efficient or evil.
@kasvinimuniandy4178
@kasvinimuniandy4178 2 жыл бұрын
Yikes... they were soo diplomatic throughout and Asa Gambu messed it up with the Great Khan.... never insult the envoy of Chingis Khan.
@user-cg2tw8pw7j
@user-cg2tw8pw7j 10 ай бұрын
The Mamluks in Egypt, India and Vietnam: Who do I turn to, O Gog and Magog? I hope to the dam.
@TheAshHeritor
@TheAshHeritor 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, insulting/murdering Mongol envoys... because THAT never ended badly for anyone :D Ain't that right Khwarezm?
@user-cg2tw8pw7j
@user-cg2tw8pw7j 10 ай бұрын
Genghis Khan: Curse be upon Jalal al-Din and Malik Timur, both of whom are devils
@6aloolq8
@6aloolq8 2 жыл бұрын
روعه
@Innomenatus
@Innomenatus 2 жыл бұрын
Aren't there still people that call themselves the Minyak? And also, aren't the Ersuic languages connected to Tangut?
@MR_TRIPLE_ONE
@MR_TRIPLE_ONE Жыл бұрын
Mi-nyak literally means black people in tibeto-Burman languages. MI is for people Nyak means black. Probably meant as a black headed people compared to the the light haired tribes living nearby like the uighars /indo iranian tribes of Central Asia who had blonde, red brown Hairs. Even here in northeast India my tribes call ourselves "khonyak/khonak or khu-nyak) meaning black headed.
@khalraesh3176
@khalraesh3176 2 жыл бұрын
Did anyone hear... tanguts defeated by mongols in 2010 around 11:40
@thecrusaderhistorian9820
@thecrusaderhistorian9820 Жыл бұрын
nice video. personally, I think there is an age-old lesson. Do not anger the Mongols
@user-cg2tw8pw7j
@user-cg2tw8pw7j 10 ай бұрын
Mamluks, White Sheep and Ming say no
@siberianbull9
@siberianbull9 2 жыл бұрын
I always loved that courtesy was a big deal to ghengis khan
@toucanmasterx
@toucanmasterx Жыл бұрын
why didnt the liao dynasty attack and Annex Borneo?
@mimorisenpai8540
@mimorisenpai8540 Жыл бұрын
You mean Goryeo? Yes they do but failed and ended with peace agreement
@aimanfirdaus4900
@aimanfirdaus4900 Жыл бұрын
in my country minyak is oil
@barakdan1858
@barakdan1858 2 жыл бұрын
Algo boost
@runningbastards6715
@runningbastards6715 2 жыл бұрын
Tanguts were defeated by the Mongols in 2010, eh? They had a hell of a run
@cgt3704
@cgt3704 2 жыл бұрын
They say you shouldnt poke the bear. Well in this case they poked the khan Edit: I cant help but find similarities between tanguts and us romanians. We also had to survive in times of warfare between european powers by making alliances and binding the knee to the turks, austrians, hungarians, poles, bulgarians and russians. But unlike the tanguts, we are still around. Shocking i know
@user-cg2tw8pw7j
@user-cg2tw8pw7j 10 ай бұрын
No, you are very different. You have begun to lust after Slav slaves
@dotuananhdta
@dotuananhdta 2 жыл бұрын
Being Genghis Khan's doom is certainly something you can boast about.
@lyhthegreat
@lyhthegreat 2 жыл бұрын
they didn't do anything to Genghis, it's just that his time was up and he had to die...
@samhendren9126
@samhendren9126 2 жыл бұрын
Loving your Song dynasty series! Any chance you'll cover the Kaifeng Jews who came around this time? Would be pretty cool to see a video on one of China's lesser known people.
@noahpeng1689
@noahpeng1689 Жыл бұрын
The Mongolians carried out genocide on the Xixia people, and all the culture of Xixia completely disappeared
@112313
@112313 2 жыл бұрын
What i want to know how the hell the tibetan empire expect to hold their mountainous empire with so few people...
@yulusleonard985
@yulusleonard985 2 жыл бұрын
Because nobody want to live there.
@mimorisenpai8540
@mimorisenpai8540 Жыл бұрын
Their empire is pretty much homogenous and tarim basin state is never military superior and easy to subjugate
@grandadmiralzaarin4962
@grandadmiralzaarin4962 2 жыл бұрын
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! (Literally all their neighbors)
@anissyahromi5671
@anissyahromi5671 2 жыл бұрын
it's always that guy who talked shit in a sticky situation.....
@tedchandran
@tedchandran 2 жыл бұрын
Jai Hinduja. Tanguts are probably the ancestors of Tibetan Baima living in Szechuan or some of the modern Burman.
@elshebactm6769
@elshebactm6769 2 жыл бұрын
👍🏿🤠👍🏿
@Willxdiana
@Willxdiana 2 жыл бұрын
Tangut are like xianbei with Qiang/tibetan people. Today Turkic people call Mongolian a mix of Manchu/tangut/sino tibetan. Today Mongolian have tibetan Buddhism
@DonKangolJones
@DonKangolJones Жыл бұрын
I can’t stop laughing at the reality that this clan just had to ride out the clock until the great warlord died, and you have one man mouth off and ruin it all!
@terrynewsome6698
@terrynewsome6698 2 жыл бұрын
The ethnic group still lives, but less then 10,000.
@greggreg2027
@greggreg2027 2 жыл бұрын
Man, it would have been a great accomplishment to get defeated only in 2010. XD
@ChengHooSew
@ChengHooSew 2 жыл бұрын
In Malay, their name mean oily people
@vitorpereira9515
@vitorpereira9515 2 жыл бұрын
Well they did burn.
@alirezaasgharzadeh4923
@alirezaasgharzadeh4923 2 жыл бұрын
you can make a video about the origin of the Han race
@CoolHistoryBros
@CoolHistoryBros 2 жыл бұрын
Planned it for the future. But it will be a long time until I get there lol!
@alirezaasgharzadeh4923
@alirezaasgharzadeh4923 2 жыл бұрын
@@CoolHistoryBros Thank you 😍
@dingliedangliedoodle9261
@dingliedangliedoodle9261 2 жыл бұрын
When will they learn to stop messing diplomacy up with the Mongol envoys? The loudmouth Tangut general had to chat shit, and now whole Tangut civilization had to get banged for it. I mean, who let him in the meeting anyway?!
@ewadfe3705
@ewadfe3705 Жыл бұрын
Among
@romeforeverr
@romeforeverr Жыл бұрын
Since you’ve covered the western Xia how about you talk about their Manchu counterparts, the confusing eastern Xia.
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