"It's about 5 more degrees, still nowhere near the Tjunction, and we can save a buck or two per unit." "Dammit Johnson, you're a genius." That's exactly how the meeting at Intel went.

Meanwhile, AMD is making their badass Wraith stock coolers.

So AMD release far cheaper CPUs of nearly the same power, and include a wraith cooler. Pretty much equivalent of a hyper 212 (but it's something). But Intel charges super premium prices, and still tries to cut corners on their own cost without reducing the consumer price. And people hate on AMD so much. Hmm

He predicted the core I9.

They have been flip flopping between aluminum and copper since 775 socket, it just depends on how hot the CPU runs if they decide it needs copper or not.

You can't compares different coolers without precise CPU fan speed control. The fan on the Alum cooler @4:41 ran at ~1650 rpm, while the one on the Cu+Al cooler ran at ~1400 rpm @4:35. Fix that fan speed, either with an external fan controller or some software then we can talk about benchmark.

I've got a pile of old Intel heatsinks, they're all copper core and one is solid copper including the fins.

copper or no copper that heatsink suck either way

IMO non K CPU should include good CPU coolers. But K CPUs should not include stock coolers at all and drop the cost down.

Im surprised that you only have 5k subs because your videos are awesome.

Boy am I glad I went back on my plans to buy a skylake this year. I've been waiting for 2 years to upgrade, now I'm thinking it might be best just to wait for Zen, fuck intel and fuck their prices.

The only thing that would really pull me in any direction when considering a stock cooler is like when AMD basically did a redesign admiting "hey, our old coolers sucked, we know, look how much better we're going to do!"

I think everyone should be able to afford a great air cooler like the 212 evo. Best part is it can be reused for your next build, and your next build! Worst case scenario you may have to one day replace the 120mm fan.

This is what happens when you dont have competition.

I am using a Core i7 6700, with cooler master CM103 cooler, in benchmarks, my temps go as high as 75C, is it too hot for sustained load? My ambient temp is around 27C I Really didn't think that a 65W TDP cooler will generate so much heat as to require a decent cooler.

*What is the stock heatsink one gets with i5 9400f?*

Isn't cooper a better heat conductor than aluminium?

I must say, I discovered your channel by accident, but I'm glad I did! These are very high quality videos. Keep up the good work bro!

so is the copper stock intel (a) better than a larger aluminum (b) cooler? (b) is about twice as tall as (a), does height make more of a difference than having copper?

Not sure why anyone would downvote such a useful video. People on auction sites often give their stock coolers (copper) away with their i5s and i7s when they sell them. I got my copper stock cooler for free with my second-hand i5-3570k which I run at stock clock speed at the moment on a H61, good to know the copper makes quite a difference.

Greg ma nigga whatchu gonna do bout that hair?

so in short copper heatsink's are more of having to cool the CPU better? than aluminum one? I've replaced my aluminum heatsink with a stock copper intel one's

I'm so glad I found this channel. I have questions and you have answers. Thanks for the hard work. Keep it up!!

They probably went for a cheaper cooler since Skylake has also a better thermal interface, so they will run a lot cooler than before. The copper core was probably implemented do to pre refresh Haswell CPUs having a horrible thermal interface material between the die and the IHS. My 4430 (lowest clocked normal power Haswell i5) reaches 100° C and throttles on the stock cooler on Prime 95 Small FFTs and around 87-90°C on CPU-Z's stress test.

not only that the coolers are getting thinner every generation, look at the old 775 stock cooler compared to the 1151 cooler

I just bought an i7 4790. Is it better for me to use something like a hyper 212 or will the stock cooler with copper slug suffice? Thanks!

Hi, I have 2 heatsink, 3cm tall with copper, and 5cm tall but no copper. Wich one do you think would be better??? Thanks!

much ado about nothing. If it's a sufficient cooler, it's sufficient. You're not going to be overclocking with a stock cooler anyway.

Have you ever use an AMD heatsink? Fucking thing sounds like a turbine engine in my room.

hello ! can you help me pls ? i have an intel stock cooler and an i7 6700k .my be quiet dark rock 3 wont arrive till friday .the question is can i use the stock cooler whith the 6700k ? pls help me

Nice video man! Like finding jems like you on KZfaq!

I don't really think it matters as the temps are still completely fine. Intel has always been making coolers that are enough but only that. I actually wouldn't care if I would buy a new processor and I would install the new cooler instead of my current one that has a copper slug because of fan life. :P Don't forget though.. cheaper CPU because not a k SKU, no aftermarket cooler needed and you can use a cheaper motherboard that doesn't have overclocking capabilities but exactly the same or close features and that could save 100 euros or more where I live. The price to performance for the k SKUs isn't really adding up where I live. :P

Meanwhile AMD is stepping up their stock cooler game with the wraiths. Hopefully Zen will deliver. I'd be willing to go to Zen if they offer a full blown 8-core with haswell level IPC from my i5 4670k.

I have i5 6400 stock cooler just cant afford aftermarket right now do I need a aftermarket to keep it safe ive seen my temp at 60 while gaming

Awesome video! I didnt know that they switched the stock cooler! I subscribe to tons of computer tech channel and not one of them mentioned this change and the effects it has. Im glad you covered it!

It's because skylake TDP's are lower than haswell Copper has a higher thermal conductivity and emissivity than aluminum, and so is used whenever aluminum is insufficient for thermal management.

a real tech channel unlike LTT

I have an old silver dollar that's worn smooth... I'm wondering if I could put this between cooler and cpu +thermal paste and if it would transfer heat better?

Keep up the great videos!

I’m more surprised by the fact that stock heatsink is still a thing. I believe they shouldn’t include a cooler at all, especially in this class of CPUs. First of all, let's be honest, the majority of people who buy an all new Skylake i5 are not on a tight budget; they would have bought Celerons and Pentiums instead. Also, even a lot of those who are indeed on a tight budget are going to throw away that heatsink anyway and use an aftermarket one from a previous build if it’s compatible. Finally, if heatsink was no longer included the cost would drop for all even those who can’t afford an i5 but have a spare cooler. Then everyone would buy the cooler they can afford, depending on their needs for gaming, quiet mode etc. The current situation, where most people just throw away the stock cooler the moment they open the box, is inefficient, waste of resources, waste of money and “eco-unfriendly”

I thought skylake didn't come with a heatsink??? Intel sold one seperately, but for the price you could buy a Hyper 212 Evo from CM. Edit: NVM Turns out only K skus don't come w/ it.

i wood like to know is there total coper cp cooler, i newer see it in my life. ty

The Skylake processor I bought didn't include a heatsink at all (6600k). How did you get one with yours? Is intel including coolers with their processors again?

you said it yourself, its not just about saving money, its about not wasting money. the cheaper coolers are still more than enough to cool these locked cpus.

4:08 Intel core i9 predicted

how do you handle the copper on aluminum electrolytic reaction?

i want to buy an i5 6400 is it safe to play games wiith the intel stock cooler ?

this vid is top notch 👌

If people are going to be re-using their liquid cooling setup, then Intel is pretty much throwing away a fancy metal slab for each one that is not used, meaning 'money lost' giving consumers stuff they don't use. Also, in the last 10 years of people buying and getting 'cheap' stock coolers in every 'package' that was sold back then, how much copper is actually sitting in people's homes, garage, basement, closet, unused?

What should I do with this Q8300 Should I just scrap it and buy a whole new system, or should I get a board that supports ddr3, And put a gpu and use it as a rendering machine?

Who runs stock heat sync?

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Who uses stock heatsinks anyway?

Hey, that display looks familiar... Is it LG 29UM58-P?

Good work .... i have a question that.... i want to purchase an i5 6500 skylake with my Nvidia GTX 970 gigabyt G1 gaming.... which cpu cooler should i use for i5 6500 skylake?? either the stock cooler is enough or i should get a new one????? but not expensive ... please guide me. thanks in anticipation

Intel is becoming a monopoly, hopefully AMD will will this year

Does that one Phanteks fan mounted in the top make any noise? Any clicking noise to be exact? Cause those fan are known to make that sort of noise when mounted horizontally.

I've got an old i7 intel cooler that looks significantly taller, and appears to have a solid copper cylinder in the middle unlike the copper bowl commonly seen.

what GPU are you using?

Does painting the stock cooler increase temperature? Because it looks way cooler than the stock one. My i7 4790k oc 4.5 ghz runs at max 65°C.

Thank you for covering this. I thought I was going insane.

So just use the last generation cooler. Right?

I just love your videos. I just wish you had more subscribers for how much work you put in for each video.

did you do the 5050 kit for your PC also? :D saved me 100$, was able to use it on desk also, just noticed simple fade and wanted to ask

i bought two 4690k I5's and 1 came with a copper slug the other didn't which had me very confused... didnt matter i was using a aftermarket heatsink, but i was still curious as to why intel would ship 2 variants of the stock CPU cooler

Keep up the great vids :D

Back in LGA775 days, copper cores were very common. I find even the Haswells overheat with stock coolers if you max out 3 cores.

This is one of your best videos, Greg. Keep em coming.

does the i5 655k fit in the GIGABYTE LGA1151 ? plz hep trying to build a pc

Yea my Xeon 1231 v3 came with a copper stock hs but someone else I know they had a aluminum one sent with theirs...Weird..Another good video man, love the channel

What song is that in the background?

Just the kinda video I was looking for! I'm planning a ghetto mod on a GPU heatsink, but I'm gonna test it on a stock CPU heatsink I have laying around first. Nice to see the difference a copper slug makes in the temps, hope I can successfully attach a copper plate into the heatsinks and see lower temps and noise levels.

Have you seen the old LGA 775 stock coolers for the Pentium Extreme Editions? It makes the copper slugs on modern Intel stock coolers just look like sleeves. They are also double the height!

How about the noise diffrence between these two under load?

is a 4570 and gtx 780 still good enough?

this is really useful! great video!

Please, what keyboard is that. I have an all white and black setup, except for the keyboard. Please...

I have a problem with this test -It does not appear that you measured the Ambient temps -You mention the skylake heatsink having thinner fins but you don't mention whether or not they have the same fin density for example greater fin density is more important than thicker fins

Point: Wouldn't thinner fins mean less mass for the heat to transfer through before the fan cooler can dissipate it?

I THINK YOUR THE FIRST THAT NOTICED IT, VERY INSTRUCTIVE VIDEO , KEEP ON I'm A FAN OF YOUR CHANNEL

I am using a custom cooler now. Actually not air cooled, so it doesn't apply, but when I first got my intel core I-7 4790K 4.0GHZ "Devil's Canyon" it came with a cooler that had a copper slug in it, but I also didn't realize it came with a cooler at all when I bought it because I bought it online from Newegg, so I had gone on Ebay and bought a cheap Heatsink which did not have that copper slug. I had also swapped them out and tested which one was better and I got similar results to yours. I have no idea why, but I was somewhat surprised. However the system was not as cool during multitasking, load bearing chores such as Streaming and Gaming while recording or rendering animation. With the stock heat sink it was getting up around 90c so I bought a pump, some radiators some heat sinks for water cooling and some radiators, fans etc. before even thinking about overclocking it. if you are just gaming, video encoding, etc those stock heat sinks are fine, but if you choose to overclock. Get a custom cooler of some kind, preferably water cooler or at the very least a double cooler like the Noctua Dual Tower CPU Cooler for Intel LGA 2011-0/LGA 2011-3 Square ILM/1156/1155/1150 and AMD AM2/AM2+/AM3/3+,FM1/2 NH-D9L on Ebay. I think I bought one for $54 and ran it for a while before saying "Nope" not cool enough, around 70C but I was able to clock it from 4.0ghz to 4.5ghz on this cooler. and it still stayed around 90c on that tower overclocked to 4.5 Now I have acheived 4.7GHZ on it and it remains at 40c under heavy loads, but intel claims you can achieve 5.0GHZ. I get a BSOD after 4.7 so no overclockie for me me after that, but it could just be the outrageous amount of power needed to run it or maybe it is not cooling down enough demanding so much from my power supply or some other hardware problem or liit preventing it from working. because the BSOD specifically says ACPI, I am not really a Hardware guy as far as pushing the limits goes, but I really don't notice any differences between 4.3GHZ and 4.7GHZ, It's never under that much of a load constantly to make that big of noticeable difference. Out of curiosity, I would like to read what other people have found on this particular chip. primarily because this is the chip I have. I know it's not the greatest anymore by far, but Curiosity calls and these chips are pretty common, so I am sure someone else has had an experience with them. Has anyone ever gotten it to 5.0GHZ without a BSOD? What cooling system have you used?. for me.. I don't really even need it at 4.7GHZ because like I say I find it adequate even at 4.5ghz and haven't really noticed any real stability issues or differences in performance between the two speeds. But also as I say I am extremely curious if anyone has ever done it because Intel says you should be able to get it to 5.0GHZ on air Cooling.. So.. It must be possible right?

benchmark song?

I have a 6600K so I use a custom cooler(quick question: how hot is it supposed to get under Intel burn? I have overclocked it to 4.2Ghz and get 80C+ when using it[I am pretty sure I did not apply the thermal paste as well as I could have])

The Ivy Bridge(Core i7-3770k) stock coolers had Cu slugs and higher fin densities. If you go back to Sandy Bridge, the IHS's were soldered on rather than a cheaper thermal paste like the new ones have. They've consistently gotten cheaper with their stock cooling.

On my computer the Heatsink fan combined thick copper rod from top to bottom is surrounded by aluminum fins Able to cool down TDP86Watt CPU to 47 ° C when doing CPU Stress testing

while building a streaming machine for my room i also took notice of this 'all aluminum' bs. still had an i5 heatsink with the copper slug saved somewhere so i just popped the fan from the i3 onto the heat sink from the i5 stock cooler and called it a day. seems to be working fine so far.

My one month old i7 6700 non k went to a maximum of 65°C under load on stock cooler while gaming. It normally stays 55-60ish. I also have 4 chasis fans-2 for exhaust and 2 for intake, do I require an aftermarket cooler like hyper 212 or hyper 103? My full pc config- i7 6700, Kingston hyperx 2133 8gb x2, Gigabyte B150m D3H, Zotac GTX 970, 1tb WD blue, XFX Pro 650w and Cooler master N300 case. Thank you

This was a very interesting video and something I wondered when I initially installed my i5 6400. The cooler just seemed lighter then what I remembered but didn't think much of it. I bought that cheap $16 Raijintek Adios cooler to hold me over and surprisingly was able to hit 4.3ghz OC while never hitting 70c with it. I have since moved on to a better cooler allowing 4.6ghz+ overclocks for gaming but this video is much appreciated. Personally I would still recommend skylake because those old non k overclock bios files are still easily attainable and I don't think I have seen an i5 6400 that hasn't been able to reach 4.6ghz yet so that is plenty of power for gaming purposes at a really cheap price. If you shop smart you can pick them up for $160 and use the money saved on a cheap cooler for some low level overclocking which is a great deal imo. Good work and thank you.

I remember back in the LGA775 days my old C2D E6700 cooler was about twice as thick as the new ones and had a huge copper slug. it was actually a really nice cooler and was even good for some decent overclocking. I don't think I've seen a better stock Intel cooler in all this time which is pretty sad considering how much we pay for them.

And this kind of thing continues nowadays. The i7 8700 (non K) comes with an all aluminum cooler that completely fails to keep that cpu cool without throttling

I got the little tower Zalman 5X Performa for about $20 USD back in 2013. It still works really fine, and after installing it on non-K Skylake ( I didn't get the Box version because of the prices in Russia) i5 6500 I can't hear it without opening the case! And the temperatures are really stable.

Great video. I have a leftover copper slug from my 1231 V3, I think I will give it to my bro when he gets his i3 6100.

Again, nice video. Keep it up. I like your content.

what is that music he alwase uses?

This is something I noticed a few days ago. I was wondering the same thing as well. Just got into pc gaming and have built at least 3 different different desktops. 1amd 8320, an i5 2500, and an a8 5600k. My next pc will be an i3 2100 just for light gaming and Twitch chat. Your videos are great and informative. Thx for doing what you do.

You should do a follow up testing if the new cooler impacts the ability of the CPU to Turbo up. :) Maybe testing the 6400 with both coolers and see how it reacts.

what about i5 6500 cooler? same?

At 4:40 I noticed that with the aluminum-only cooler you not only had higher temperatures but also significantly higher CPU fan rpms and thus more noise generated.

what ram is that???

Ola desde Argentina...una pregunta que pasa con un microprocesador que le ponen una ram de 2400 Mhz o más DDR4 cuando el micro dice asta 2133...suponiendo que la madre aguante...Q pasa entre el micro y la ram...o no funciona??anda???